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On October 14 2011 01:48 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Also what is the point of having a school when the ninjutsu shown by everyone are completely different? Home schooling seems more prudent considering everybody seem to have a bloodline ability.
the ninja school is like what we have for elementary schools in reality it wasnt that big of a deal (cuz they all graduated and never show the ninja school again) it just gives us reader the fundamentals of read codes, kunai training, making ninja teammates.
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so hyped and confused from the newest chapter.
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Tobi has Obitos Eyes, thats for sure. Because Kakashi uses Time-Space Jutsus with his Sharingan and Tobi uses similar Jutsus. He is even better than Kakashi.
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There are only two people in Naruto right now who are anything comparable to "God-mode": Naruto and his 9-tails jutsu, which is justified considering how strong the 8-tails is... and Kabuto's mass summonings of legendary figures from the past... which is absolutely bullshit. Even the other characters like Tobi think it's bullshit. But whatever, let's just accept it.
What you have to remember is that the VAST majority of ninjas are absolutely terrible. Most of them don't even reach Genin-level until they're older. However, the show only focuses on the most elite ninja. And even then, it has a penchant for focusing on the most elite of the elite. We have to assume there are millions of ninjas, so 20-30 kage-level ninjas alive at any particular time is to be expected.
So the next time you think Neji and Rock Lee seem weak compared to Naruto et al, remember they would mop the floor with 99% of the no-name ninjas we never see. And although metal weapons don't seem effective against kage-level ninjas, they actually can be if used correctly (just look at the damage weapons did in Sasuke v 8tails and Sasuke v Danzo).
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On October 14 2011 21:48 Courthead wrote:
There are only two people in Naruto right now who are anything comparable to "God-mode": Naruto and his 9-tails jutsu, which is justified considering how strong the 8-tails is... and Kabuto's mass summonings of legendary figures from the past... which is absolutely bullshit. Even the other characters like Tobi think it's bullshit. But whatever, let's just accept it.
What you have to remember is that the VAST majority of ninjas are absolutely terrible. Most of them don't even reach Genin-level until they're older. However, the show only focuses on the most elite ninja. And even then, it has a penchant for focusing on the most elite of the elite. We have to assume there are millions of ninjas, so 20-30 kage-level ninjas alive at any particular time is to be expected.
So the next time you think Neji and Rock Lee seem weak compared to Naruto et al, remember they would mop the floor with 99% of the no-name ninjas we never see. And although metal weapons don't seem effective against kage-level ninjas, they actually can be if used correctly (just look at the damage weapons did in Sasuke v 8tails and Sasuke v Danzo). Because Izanagi isn't god mode?
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First of all, Danzo is dead. I'm talking about people alive right now.
Secondly, Izanagi isn't all that great. It makes you blind, so Danzo had to get 10 Izanagis. It only lasts for a second, so Danzo had to get Hashirama's cells to extend it to a minute. And after all that, he still lost to Sasuke. Keep in mind that (a) Sasuke had just fought 2 kages, and (b) Sasuke hadn't gotten the massive powerup from his new eyes yet. So no, Izanagi isn't God-mode. I can think of 5 or 6 techniques that are much better.
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I want to chime-in on the whole Madara-Tobi identity thing. For the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to the summon form 559 as Madara, and the masked man as Tobi. Everyone likes to pitch their own crazy explanations about what may or may not be going on, but I'd rather take a look at all the evidence and stick to what we know:
1) The first thing Madara says after being resurrected in 559: "So it finally happened... it would appear that little brat Nagato managed to grow..."
2) The second thing Madara does after being resurrected is express surprise at the use of Impure World Resurrection.
3) The resurrected Madara appears to be around the same age as he was when he battled the First Hokage.
4) Kabuto had to find Madara's body to use it for the resurrection.
First, facts #1 and #3 seem contradictory. #3 suggests that Madara truly died a LOOOONG time ago, so how could he have known Nagato? The battle with the First took place decades before Nagato's birth? Either he's referring to a different Nagato, or Nagato is much older than we think.
Next, Madara wasn't surprised at being brought back to life (#1: "it finally happened"), but was surprised that it was via Impure World Resurrection (#2). So what else could have resurrected him? It's obvious he was expecting it to have been Nagato's "Samsara of Heavenly Life" technique, hence the reference to Nagato. Similarly, earlier in the series Tobi was upset that Nagato used that technique to revive Konoha's citizens rather than himself. Hmm.
#4 is a big one though. Kabuto has known about Madara's death this whole time, obviously. So he knows more about what's going on than any of us. But he continues to refer to Tobi as Madara. In fact, he refers to Tobi as Madara immediately after revealing the Madara summon in 490. Then again, it's entirely possible that Kabuto is just fucking around (Tobi does call him a "wise guy").
Don't quite know what to make of this. But it's a better start than "LULZ TOBI IS OBITO".
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+ Show Spoiler +Tobi is Madara, Madara is Danzo, Danzo is Obito, Obito is the 3rd Mizukage, the 3rd Mizukage is friends with Kisame, Kisame turns into a shark, sharks swim in the water, water also creates whirlpools, Uzumaki Kushina is from the whirlpool country, therefore Tobi is a Naruto shadow clone run amok.
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On October 14 2011 23:55 Cirn9 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Tobi is Madara, Madara is Danzo, Danzo is Obito, Obito is the 3rd Mizukage, the 3rd Mizukage is friends with Kisame, Kisame turns into a shark, sharks swim in the water, water also creates whirlpools, Uzumaki Kushina is from the whirlpool country, therefore Tobi is a Naruto shadow clone run amok.
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On October 14 2011 23:55 Cirn9 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Tobi is Madara, Madara is Danzo, Danzo is Obito, Obito is the 3rd Mizukage, the 3rd Mizukage is friends with Kisame, Kisame turns into a shark, sharks swim in the water, water also creates whirlpools, Uzumaki Kushina is from the whirlpool country, therefore Tobi is a Naruto shadow clone run amok.
Mystery solved.
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On October 14 2011 23:55 Cirn9 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Tobi is Madara, Madara is Danzo, Danzo is Obito, Obito is the 3rd Mizukage, the 3rd Mizukage is friends with Kisame, Kisame turns into a shark, sharks swim in the water, water also creates whirlpools, Uzumaki Kushina is from the whirlpool country, therefore Tobi is a Naruto shadow clone run amok.
+ Show Spoiler +my theory is that madara died... but his younger self time traveled to the future.
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1) The first thing Madara says after being resurrected in 559: "So it finally happened... it would appear that little brat Nagato managed to grow..."
2) The second thing Madara does after being resurrected is express surprise at the use of Impure World Resurrection.
3) The resurrected Madara appears to be around the same age as he was when he battled the First Hokage.
4) Kabuto had to find Madara's body to use it for the resurrection.
Tobi also said that he gave Nagato rinegan (battle against konan), and asked Naruto how could he convince him to use it, because he hoped he will use for him. (episode when kage summit starter). So Madara and Tobi must be some how connectet, when he died against 1st hokage he could use izangi and travel back in time (but just part of him, he state that he is not as strong as he was) but he still had 2 eys, could took one when he helped Itachi, sinc he got many sarinhan eyes ( when he transplant Itachis eyes in Sasuke it shows whole lab)
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On October 14 2011 22:16 Courthead wrote:First of all, Danzo is dead. I'm talking about people alive right now. Secondly, Izanagi isn't all that great. It makes you blind, so Danzo had to get 10 Izanagis. It only lasts for a second, so Danzo had to get Hashirama's cells to extend it to a minute. And after all that, he still lost to Sasuke. Keep in mind that (a) Sasuke had just fought 2 kages, and (b) Sasuke hadn't gotten the massive powerup from his new eyes yet. So no, Izanagi isn't God-mode. I can think of 5 or 6 techniques that are much better. ---------------------------------------- I want to chime-in on the whole Madara-Tobi identity thing. For the sake of simplicity, I'll refer to the summon form 559 as Madara, and the masked man as Tobi. Everyone likes to pitch their own crazy explanations about what may or may not be going on, but I'd rather take a look at all the evidence and stick to what we know: 1) The first thing Madara says after being resurrected in 559: "So it finally happened... it would appear that little brat Nagato managed to grow..." 2) The second thing Madara does after being resurrected is express surprise at the use of Impure World Resurrection. 3) The resurrected Madara appears to be around the same age as he was when he battled the First Hokage. 4) Kabuto had to find Madara's body to use it for the resurrection. First, facts #1 and #3 seem contradictory. #3 suggests that Madara truly died a LOOOONG time ago, so how could he have known Nagato? The battle with the First took place decades before Nagato's birth? Either he's referring to a different Nagato, or Nagato is much older than we think. Next, Madara wasn't surprised at being brought back to life (#1: "it finally happened"), but was surprised that it was via Impure World Resurrection (#2). So what else could have resurrected him? It's obvious he was expecting it to have been Nagato's "Samsara of Heavenly Life" technique, hence the reference to Nagato. Similarly, earlier in the series Tobi was upset that Nagato used that technique to revive Konoha's citizens rather than himself. Hmm. #4 is a big one though. Kabuto has known about Madara's death this whole time, obviously. So he knows more about what's going on than any of us. But he continues to refer to Tobi as Madara. In fact, he refers to Tobi as Madara immediately after revealing the Madara summon in 490. Then again, it's entirely possible that Kabuto is just fucking around (Tobi does call him a "wise guy"). Don't quite know what to make of this. But it's a better start than "LULZ TOBI IS OBITO". He only lost because of his own retardness like all god powers do. He played around with the power and overextend. Just cause the user is a complete tool doesn't make the power any less stupid. If you use it correctly you can not lose. As of now it's only be used to save yourself, if you use it offensivly you get 1 shot that will always be a killing blow. It's stupid.
The only way to stop Izanagi is to use it yourself.
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Obviously some sort of split of body/mind isn't that far fetched. the guy who is wrapped in bandages just used some technique where he split himself into to halves (they even mention that it was not shadow cloning but true split in half) So Madara could have done the same thing as he was about to lose the fight to the 1st hokage and just bid his time as tobi and therefore his resurrected soul would know about the plan to resurrect him. How he knew about Nagato...who knows.
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And by the way, for people who still feel like arguing about what happened when Orochimaru tried to summon the 4th Hokage, Kabuto already explained it.
On October 15 2011 10:05 Slaughter wrote:How he knew about Nagato...who knows.
Yeah, that's the big hurdle to get over. How could Madara have known about Nagato? Either he did some time traveling, or Nagato is really fucking old, or he's referring to a different Nagato with similar abilities.
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I think Madara survived his fight with the first Hokage. He lived well until after the birth of Nagato.
But ultimately what he could not escape was age, but not before making a Zetsu clone (or some other ability-and-memory inheriting clone) of himself implanted with his memories and abilities (possibly as a triggered ability as a result of the sacrifice of the original), and with the knowledge that the eyes he gave the young Nagato might one day be used to resurrect himself.
That, or time travel. Or instead of a clone, Madara simply used a "mind-transfer" genjutsu on the tattered Obito before he died.
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If this madara thing has anything to do with time travel I will be really disappointed.
Introducing time travel ruins every lore imo.
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well I just rewatched the fight of Tobi vs Danzo's bodyguards
and Tobi is indeed a zetsu clone of some sort
One of the bodyguards used nano-sized chakra eating bacteria or something similar.
When Tobi sucked him into the other dimension, Tobi had to touch him once, and the bodyguard's skin was fully covered with that bacteria. Immediately after vanishing/crushing the guy, Tobi used his other arm to tear off his arm which touched the guy and got infected.
When that arm fell to the ground it was shown that it was some kind of white, gel-like mass.
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EDIT: meant to quote Freelander but it screwed up.
EDIT: Didn't mean for my post to be deleted.
The arm's state could be attributed to the affects of the jutsu couldn't it?
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@Courthead yes, thank you, i remember that but couldn't find it, but now we can stop the whole "who was the 3rd coffin from a story arch ages ago!" discussion at least.
@TheKefka i agree, unless the story is SPECIFICALLY built to be about time travel and VERY CAREFULLY managed, anytime you introduce time travel, all hell breaks loose because then it becomes so contrived. Like if he could travel back in time, why not just go back far enough to stop all of the good guys from ever living, why not just prevent any of the nations from forming, etc etc. It's too slippery of a slope to touch and i pray to god (and i'm atheist!) that time travel doesn't even begin to touch naruto. please no -_-'
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Only manga where time travel was ok was DBZ,because seeing Gokus face when Trunks tells him he's Vegetas and Bulmas kid was all worth it.
And no I'm not going to spoiler it,if you don't know this already just lol.
But anyways,back to the subject.
I wanna see some killer bee action plzplz^^
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