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On October 13 2011 11:03 Slaughter wrote:
Yea I don't know why people say Obito has anything to do with this. His ONLY role was basically to give a backstory for Kakashi's eye and his lost comrade thing.
Mostly because:
- The Hair
- The missing eye / half of face
- Tobi and Obito share some similar letters
But your right. It's conjecture at best.
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On October 13 2011 09:22 Blahbleh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:18 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 09:14 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 09:09 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 09:07 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:
[quote] I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned.
Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon? Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!! Which opens up the actual major plothole that a content heart makes them dissintegrate. Yeah i think thats because Kabuto didnt fully put them under his control like orochimaru did. the 1st and 2nd were able to have a conversation freely untill orochimaru stuck the kunais into their heads.. Man.. reading that whole fight again.. i forgot how epic that fight was. Definitely one of the most memorable fights. The problem is that several of the people that got summoned died with a content heart so they should have just disintegrated on summon. That is what pissed me off. Haku, Zabusa, Deidara just to name a few all died with a content heart. Hmmm good point. Plot holes \o/
you guys are completely missing the point , When Orochimaru was fighting Sarutobi, he was trying to convey him the feeling of fighting his own teachers/senseis, just as he was doing at that precise moment. The fourth is sealed it can no longer be resurected+the fourth is obviously not the thirds sensei. Which leaves us with the only possible explanation and that is
The third coffing orochimaru was trying to resurect was Sasuke Sarutobi
edit:typo
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On October 13 2011 09:20 xiaofan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:09 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 09:07 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again? Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto. EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi. And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed. I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned. Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon? Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!! Which opens up the actual major plothole that a content heart makes them dissintegrate. How is that a plothole? Kabuto used a different version of impure world resurrection than orachimaru, so if you're saying the plothole is that the summoned 1st and 2nd hokage's didn't disintegrate, then one could just as easily argue it was a different summoning technique, or that they had no reason to be content. Also, the whole disintegration thing stopped working after kabuto absorbed more of orachimaru's cells via that snake lady anyways. The only people who disintegrated from inner peace is the first group that came with sai's brother and sasori
The fact that we're making up excuses for this manga shows how bad it is. :[
Oh Naruto........
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I have been thinking this for some time when that coffin first popped up. There were only two possibilities of the coffin that made sense - it was either the Sage or Madara himself. If it were the Sage, then Kabuto wouldn't need to align himself with Madara because he possessed the power to achieve his goals on his own. That meant it was Madara. So the question becomes, why would Kabuto want to align himself with Madara?
They must have similar goals: Immortality and power.
So, one can assume that their goals are at least similar to some extent. Kabuto wants to be complete (or Orochi does rather) and Madara wants to be complete for some reason. Judging by his reaction from being summoned and first assuming it's done by Nagato, it seems his initial plan was to be revived by Nagato, which is why he gave him that eye technique in the first place. Assuming all that, it means that before Madara's body died he gave Nagato the eye technique as a last ditch dice roll to get back into his body at some point. This just makes logical sense.
What else did Madara do? He used the 9 tails to attack Konoha. Assuming that at some point this is going to divulge into some "master" plan, why would he do that? The basic logic is that it gave the village a reason to suspect the Uchiha, and create a Sasuke-like situation. This doesn't necessarily make sense, because Sasuke living was a result of Itachi's compassion for his little brother. Itachi would have lived though, which was probably enough initially... Unless Madara accounted for this and abused it, his goal was potentially something else. My guess is that it has something to do with Naruto, and he wanted the fox to be sealed within him for some reason that we will learn later - likely related to the sage of the six paths, and also Naruto and Sasuke's (Itachi substitute?) inevitable fight where the victor will create the conditions for a body that will yield the conditions necessary to create a Sage of the Six paths.
"Madara" now is an incomplete form of himself - how he got there we can only guess. It would be awesome if it was Sasuke from the future, but I highly doubt that. With that said, there is some foresight and time-line planning here indicating that the whole thing will eventually divulge into "everything was part of my plan" ala Bleach. If the end goal is creating an immortal body for the next Sage of the Six Paths, then it's probable that the whole thing, including Naruto's and Sasuke's fight, will eventually boil down to that. For that to happen, my guess is that "Madara" will take over Sasuke's body and Naruto will have to fight him. The good in Sasuke's heart will overpower Madara after talking-no-jutsu, and they will defeat the evil together. Either Sasuke or Naruto will die in the fight though. I honestly wouldn't doubt if Naruto died at the very end, and Sasuke gave up his life to bring him back via that thing Nagato uses.
Still, Kabuto either has to be defeated before then, or become a crucial part of the plot line by that point. He wouldn't be around if he didn't have some plan of action with regards to Madara. It's entirely possible that Orochimaru will take over Kabuto completely, and absorb Madara right as he takes over Sasuke. Really, that's the kind of character he is. There's a reason he's still part of this manga, and he was the main villain at the start so he'll probably play a roll as to the "main villain" by the end of the series. Naruto will ultimately win, with the help of Sasuke and talking-no-jutsu, and restore peace to the world by giving his life. Either that, or Sasuke will give his to save Naruto when he dies. This will probably be prequelled by an "I'm sorry Sakura" moment where he apologizes to her and she cries like she always does. Also, he'll probably kill Kakashi at some point too before the Manga ends, which will be Naruto's struggle against hatred setting the story up for the last battle. The 9-tails and Naruto will be friends at that point, and the 9-tails will tell him a story about how Naruto's pure heart converted him and not to give into darkness, and how his friends are relying on him.
Quote me in a year - see if I'm right. Perhaps I just embarrassed myself. 
[edit] I also think that Zetsu is the result of Madara's fight with the first.
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People keep talking about this "Youtube video" where they discuss the possibility of Tobi being sasuke from the future. Yet NO ONE out of the 15 people talking about it have posted the link, and the several people asking about it have been ignored. Is this some kind of troll? If not can someone post the link PLEASE?
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On October 13 2011 13:30 RG.Snowman wrote:
People keep talking about this "Youtube video" where they discuss the possibility of Tobi being sasuke from the future. Yet NO ONE out of the 15 people talking about it have posted the link, and the several people asking about it have been ignored. Is this some kind of troll? If not can someone post the link PLEASE?
It was posted.
+ Show Spoiler [ Link..] +
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betting it's orochimaru, with some really horrible convoluted story.
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sasuke is tobi.
madara is madara.
in the future (perhaps near future) in the final sasuke vs naruto fight, naruto, in contrast with the fight he had with the nine-tails,will rip out sasukes evil side, kakashi will send it to the past with his rip thing - which will turn out to send things into the past. zetsu will find him, being an evil bastard, give him a body and there you have tobi.
tobi wants to mentor him. because it is him. it would be STUPID to have uchiha madara being tobi. it is way way more far fetched than the above sawyer7mage's theory.
seriously. think about it. it all makes sense.
also, incase anyone hasn't noticed, madara looks ridiculously like sasuke. ie, the tobi will have the same face to sasuke.
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On October 13 2011 09:48 Kazeyonoma wrote:
my question is that madara says he took izuna's eyes to regain his sight, but both of them had mangekyo sharingans... so the pure virtue of swapping eyes is what prevents blindness no? If that's the case, what's to say that izuna didn't simply take madara's eyes and go into hiding/planning for this day?
i thought about this in regards to other things too.
if sasuke got itachi's eyes and got an eternal mangekyo from it...how did itachi have eyes when he was ressurected, and, not just eyes, but...his eyes.
yay suspension of disbelief i guess?
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On October 13 2011 13:50 Spessi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:48 Kazeyonoma wrote:
my question is that madara says he took izuna's eyes to regain his sight, but both of them had mangekyo sharingans... so the pure virtue of swapping eyes is what prevents blindness no? If that's the case, what's to say that izuna didn't simply take madara's eyes and go into hiding/planning for this day? i thought about this in regards to other things too. if sasuke got itachi's eyes and got an eternal mangekyo from it...how did itachi have eyes when he was ressurected, and, not just eyes, but...his eyes. yay suspension of disbelief i guess?
this confuses me too.. but bloodline abilities seemed to remain after resurrection so i don't see why kishi would take away the eyes of the uchihas.
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On October 13 2011 13:35 XdtA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 13:30 RG.Snowman wrote:
People keep talking about this "Youtube video" where they discuss the possibility of Tobi being sasuke from the future. Yet NO ONE out of the 15 people talking about it have posted the link, and the several people asking about it have been ignored. Is this some kind of troll? If not can someone post the link PLEASE? It was posted. + Show Spoiler [ Link..] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIhHQDA7a8I
Doesn't his theory ignore the fact that I think it was kisame knew "Madara" as a kage? How would that have happened if "Madara" = Sasuke
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On October 13 2011 13:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 13:35 XdtA wrote:On October 13 2011 13:30 RG.Snowman wrote:
People keep talking about this "Youtube video" where they discuss the possibility of Tobi being sasuke from the future. Yet NO ONE out of the 15 people talking about it have posted the link, and the several people asking about it have been ignored. Is this some kind of troll? If not can someone post the link PLEASE? It was posted. + Show Spoiler [ Link..] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIhHQDA7a8I Doesn't his theory ignore the fact that I think it was kisame knew "Madara" as a kage? How would that have happened if "Madara" = Sasuke
Did Kisame know the real Madara? Maybe he was taking Tobi's word for it. Don't really remember the chapter 
Personally I think it's either Izuna, Shisui or 'Nagato'.
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On October 13 2011 14:11 XdtA wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 13:58 chipmonklord17 wrote:On October 13 2011 13:35 XdtA wrote:On October 13 2011 13:30 RG.Snowman wrote:
People keep talking about this "Youtube video" where they discuss the possibility of Tobi being sasuke from the future. Yet NO ONE out of the 15 people talking about it have posted the link, and the several people asking about it have been ignored. Is this some kind of troll? If not can someone post the link PLEASE? It was posted. + Show Spoiler [ Link..] +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIhHQDA7a8I Doesn't his theory ignore the fact that I think it was kisame knew "Madara" as a kage? How would that have happened if "Madara" = Sasuke Did Kisame know the real Madara? Maybe he was taking Tobi's word for it. Don't really remember the chapter Personally I think it's either Izuna, Shisui or 'Nagato'.
IIRC "Madara" took off his mask and Kisame was like "oh heyy there (I think it was) mizukage"
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Great chapter.
I still want to know Kabuto's other technique. In an earlier chapter he said "as long as I have Impure World Resurrection and 'that' technique, I have nothing to be afraid of." Now that we know the guy in the coffin is Madara, I wanna crack this next mystery as well. I don't really care who Tobi really is 0.0 Probably Madara's spirit taking over Mizukage's.
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On October 13 2011 11:49 mr_chapy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:22 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 09:18 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 09:14 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 09:09 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 09:07 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:
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Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D
I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon? Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!! Which opens up the actual major plothole that a content heart makes them dissintegrate. Yeah i think thats because Kabuto didnt fully put them under his control like orochimaru did. the 1st and 2nd were able to have a conversation freely untill orochimaru stuck the kunais into their heads.. Man.. reading that whole fight again.. i forgot how epic that fight was. Definitely one of the most memorable fights. The problem is that several of the people that got summoned died with a content heart so they should have just disintegrated on summon. That is what pissed me off. Haku, Zabusa, Deidara just to name a few all died with a content heart. Hmmm good point. Plot holes \o/ you guys are completely missing the point , When Orochimaru was fighting Sarutobi, he was trying to convey him the feeling of fighting his own teachers/senseis, just as he was doing at that precise moment. The fourth is sealed it can no longer be resurected+the fourth is obviously not the thirds sensei. Which leaves us with the only possible explanation and that is The third coffing orochimaru was trying to resurect was Sasuke Sarutobi edit:typo That explanation I can buy, I think it was mostly due to the anime that it fucked up my views of that, it's really downplayed in the manga whilst in the anime it even said "4" on the casket. And while I felt it was weird I never saw it as a plot hole, the zombies not going the instant crumble that was what I saw as an actual pretty horribly written plothole. It cheapens their characters something fierce.
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On October 13 2011 11:17 dangots0ul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 11:03 Slaughter wrote:
Yea I don't know why people say Obito has anything to do with this. His ONLY role was basically to give a backstory for Kakashi's eye and his lost comrade thing. Mostly because: - The Hair - The missing eye / half of face - Tobi and Obito share some similar letters But your right. It's conjecture at best.
what missing face? his right side looks perfectly fine to me.
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+ Show Spoiler +Episode 559 made me so happy!! Who's behind the ask do you think?
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I found one comment on MAL really interesting. It says write tobi to eachother and what do you get ?
tobitobi
Maybe something to think about with all of those hints or just pure coincedences ?
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On October 13 2011 19:36 SkelA wrote:
I found one comment on MAL really interesting. It says write tobi to eachother and what do you get ?
tobitobi
Maybe something to think about with all of those hints or just pure coincedences ?
there's no letter "t" in japanese.
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On October 13 2011 19:49 Korbos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 19:36 SkelA wrote:
I found one comment on MAL really interesting. It says write tobi to eachother and what do you get ?
tobitobi
Maybe something to think about with all of those hints or just pure coincedences ? there's no letter "t" in japanese.
There is no "T" but "To" exists.
と (ト in katakana) = To
Imho, this character is just madara's twin brother. I don't like the idea of sasuke coming back from the future.
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