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Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
October 12 2011 22:03 GMT
#6341
if it were to be madara's blind brother who has come back and taken all of the eyes back that he lost it'd be a strange twist, but how is he still alive?
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
October 12 2011 22:21 GMT
#6342
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?
Blahbleh
Profile Joined August 2011
United States76 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 22:32:26
October 12 2011 22:27 GMT
#6343
On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?



Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.

EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.

And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed.
"Immortal/Roach is pretty good against Stalkers" - Idra
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
October 12 2011 22:36 GMT
#6344
I think she just died from the stress of childbirth and manipulating the fox. But I wonder...who was in that third coffin then since it can't be the 4th? I guess it doesn't matter but it would be interesting to know (unless the author was letting that be a plot hole and it was supposed to be the 4th since it kinda seemed like the 3rd put extra emphasis on stopping that one in particular)
Never Knows Best.
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
October 12 2011 22:38 GMT
#6345
On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?



Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.

EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.

And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed.

No... please no. It's bad enough to have the bromance with Sasuke. If his mother is resurrected, he's either going to bite his tears and kill her for the greater good in which case he's a hypocrite, or he's going to not be able to fight her in which case he's a pussy. No good can come out of bringing the mother back.
Blahbleh
Profile Joined August 2011
United States76 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 22:43:15
October 12 2011 22:40 GMT
#6346
On October 13 2011 07:36 Slaughter wrote:
I think she just died from the stress of childbirth and manipulating the fox. But I wonder...who was in that third coffin then since it can't be the 4th? I guess it doesn't matter but it would be interesting to know (unless the author was letting that be a plot hole and it was supposed to be the 4th since it kinda seemed like the 3rd put extra emphasis on stopping that one in particular)


Dont get me wrong, it was the 4th in that coffin but im just saying that he wouldnt have been able to be used as a zombie. It would have been just the dead corpse of the 4th in the box.
"Immortal/Roach is pretty good against Stalkers" - Idra
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
October 12 2011 22:44 GMT
#6347
On October 13 2011 07:38 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?



Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.

EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.

And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed.

No... please no. It's bad enough to have the bromance with Sasuke. If his mother is resurrected, he's either going to bite his tears and kill her for the greater good in which case he's a hypocrite, or he's going to not be able to fight her in which case he's a pussy. No good can come out of bringing the mother back.


Yea but its war and they are the bad guys, you have to think if they had an opportunity to put the hero in emotional distress and a moral quandary they would do it.
Never Knows Best.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
October 12 2011 22:45 GMT
#6348
On October 13 2011 07:40 Blahbleh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:36 Slaughter wrote:
I think she just died from the stress of childbirth and manipulating the fox. But I wonder...who was in that third coffin then since it can't be the 4th? I guess it doesn't matter but it would be interesting to know (unless the author was letting that be a plot hole and it was supposed to be the 4th since it kinda seemed like the 3rd put extra emphasis on stopping that one in particular)


Dont get me wrong, it was the 4th in that coffin but im just saying that he wouldnt have been able to be used as a zombie. It would have been just the dead corpse of the 4th in the box.


Oh so your saying Orichimaru just didn't know it wouldn't work? The third should have known then and not stopped that coffin.
Never Knows Best.
Blahbleh
Profile Joined August 2011
United States76 Posts
October 12 2011 22:45 GMT
#6349
On October 13 2011 07:44 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:38 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?



Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.

EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.

And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed.

No... please no. It's bad enough to have the bromance with Sasuke. If his mother is resurrected, he's either going to bite his tears and kill her for the greater good in which case he's a hypocrite, or he's going to not be able to fight her in which case he's a pussy. No good can come out of bringing the mother back.


Yea but its war and they are the bad guys, you have to think if they had an opportunity to put the hero in emotional distress and a moral quandary they would do it.


Yeah that could be another trump card for Kabutomaru.
"Immortal/Roach is pretty good against Stalkers" - Idra
Blahbleh
Profile Joined August 2011
United States76 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 22:49:10
October 12 2011 22:48 GMT
#6350
On October 13 2011 07:45 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:40 Blahbleh wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:36 Slaughter wrote:
I think she just died from the stress of childbirth and manipulating the fox. But I wonder...who was in that third coffin then since it can't be the 4th? I guess it doesn't matter but it would be interesting to know (unless the author was letting that be a plot hole and it was supposed to be the 4th since it kinda seemed like the 3rd put extra emphasis on stopping that one in particular)


Dont get me wrong, it was the 4th in that coffin but im just saying that he wouldnt have been able to be used as a zombie. It would have been just the dead corpse of the 4th in the box.


Oh so your saying Orichimaru just didn't know it wouldn't work? The third should have known then and not stopped that coffin.


Yeah.. pretty much.. it was kinda weird though how Kishi wrote that.. cuz the 3rd knew how to stop it(resurrection jutsu). And he knew that by using that seal he would be sealing himself as well. And for dam sure he knew that the 4th used that same seal on the kyuubi. so i have no idea why the 3rd was so worried about the 4th being summoned.... I guess we'll have to wait and see if Kishi's gonna troll us and say theres a way around it -_-
"Immortal/Roach is pretty good against Stalkers" - Idra
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 22:53:50
October 12 2011 22:52 GMT
#6351
On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?



Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.

EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.

And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed.
I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned.
VikingKong
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China509 Posts
October 12 2011 22:54 GMT
#6352
"OMG, it's Madara. Possibly the greatest Sharingan user ever! Let's look right at his eyes, how could this go wrong?"
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#6353
shisui or izuna. other than that its a pretty boring plot twist
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Blahbleh
Profile Joined August 2011
United States76 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 23:13:51
October 12 2011 23:13 GMT
#6354
On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?



Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.

EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.

And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed.
I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned.


Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D
"Immortal/Roach is pretty good against Stalkers" - Idra
Fanta_Rules
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden669 Posts
October 12 2011 23:25 GMT
#6355
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=770908

I think he's right. They're both Madara, except one of them is using Obito's body. It makes sense.
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
October 12 2011 23:35 GMT
#6356
On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?



Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.

EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.

And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed.
I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned.


Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D


I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)?

To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it.
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
October 12 2011 23:40 GMT
#6357
On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?



Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.

EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.

And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed.
I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned.


Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D


I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)?

To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it.
I pelts it with projectiles to stop the actual chest from opening.
Blahbleh
Profile Joined August 2011
United States76 Posts
October 12 2011 23:51 GMT
#6358
Heres the link when orochimaru first used the Impure world ressurection: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v13/c117/1.html
PAGE 17

it seems there was no 3rd coffin in the manga.. Now i dont really remember if there wasnt even a 3rd in the anime... well atleast one things fsure he did in fact try to summon a 3rd coffin, but it for "some reason" didnt work. So i would assume he tried to summon the 4th.
"Immortal/Roach is pretty good against Stalkers" - Idra
xiaofan
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States513 Posts
October 12 2011 23:55 GMT
#6359
On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:
On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again?



Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.

EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.

And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed.
I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned.


Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D


I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)?

To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it.


it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection.

"The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected."

Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection.
Hynda
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October 12 2011 23:57 GMT
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On October 13 2011 08:51 Blahbleh wrote:
Heres the link when orochimaru first used the Impure world ressurection: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v13/c117/1.html
PAGE 17

it seems there was no 3rd coffin in the manga.. Now i dont really remember if there wasnt even a 3rd in the anime... well atleast one things fsure he did in fact try to summon a 3rd coffin, but it for "some reason" didnt work. So i would assume he tried to summon the 4th.
Check page 19 the third coffin just failed he says so. So there are still a fuck ton of questions.
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