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On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again? Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto. EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi. And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed. I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned. Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon?
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On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again? Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto. EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi. And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed. I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned. Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon?
Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!!
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Unless for some reason Kabuto was unable to collect Kushinas DNA
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On October 13 2011 09:07 Blahbleh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again? Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto. EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi. And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed. I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned. Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon? Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!! Which opens up the actual major plothole that a content heart makes them dissintegrate.
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On October 13 2011 09:09 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:07 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again? Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto. EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi. And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed. I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned. Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon? Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!! Which opens up the actual major plothole that a content heart makes them dissintegrate.
Yeah i think thats because Kabuto didnt fully put them under his control like orochimaru did. the 1st and 2nd were able to have a conversation freely untill orochimaru stuck the kunais into their heads..
Man.. reading that whole fight again.. i forgot how epic that fight was. Definitely one of the most memorable fights.
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On October 13 2011 09:14 Blahbleh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:09 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 09:07 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again? Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto. EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi. And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed. I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned. Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon? Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!! Which opens up the actual major plothole that a content heart makes them dissintegrate. Yeah i think thats because Kabuto didnt fully put them under his control like orochimaru did. the 1st and 2nd were able to have a conversation freely untill orochimaru stuck the kunais into their heads.. Man.. reading that whole fight again.. i forgot how epic that fight was. Definitely one of the most memorable fights. The problem is that several of the people that got summoned died with a content heart so they should have just disintegrated on summon. That is what pissed me off. Haku, Zabusa, Deidara just to name a few all died with a content heart.
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On October 13 2011 09:09 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:07 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again? Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto. EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi. And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed. I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned. Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon? Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!! Which opens up the actual major plothole that a content heart makes them dissintegrate.
How is that a plothole? Kabuto used a different version of impure world resurrection than orachimaru, so if you're saying the plothole is that the summoned 1st and 2nd hokage's didn't disintegrate, then one could just as easily argue it was a different summoning technique, or that they had no reason to be content. Also, the whole disintegration thing stopped working after kabuto absorbed more of orachimaru's cells via that snake lady anyways. The only people who disintegrated from inner peace is the first group that came with sai's brother and sasori
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On October 13 2011 09:18 Hynda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:14 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 09:09 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 09:07 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:
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Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto.
EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi.
And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed. I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned. Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon? Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!! Which opens up the actual major plothole that a content heart makes them dissintegrate. Yeah i think thats because Kabuto didnt fully put them under his control like orochimaru did. the 1st and 2nd were able to have a conversation freely untill orochimaru stuck the kunais into their heads.. Man.. reading that whole fight again.. i forgot how epic that fight was. Definitely one of the most memorable fights. The problem is that several of the people that got summoned died with a content heart so they should have just disintegrated on summon. That is what pissed me off. Haku, Zabusa, Deidara just to name a few all died with a content heart.
Hmmm good point. Plot holes \o/
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On October 13 2011 09:20 xiaofan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:09 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 09:07 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 08:58 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 08:55 xiaofan wrote:On October 13 2011 08:35 Azuzu wrote:On October 13 2011 08:13 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:52 Hynda wrote:On October 13 2011 07:27 Blahbleh wrote:On October 13 2011 07:21 Hynda wrote:
One thing I really don't get is... Why the hell isn't the fourth a Zombie?
I might be nitpicking like nobodys buisness here, because this is years ago. But Orochimaru had 3 caskets vs the third. the first the second and obviously the fourth. The third managed to stop the fourth from being summoned, so is it like a one time deal? If you fail to summon him once you can't do it again? Even if the Third failed to stop the casket from being summoned the Forth Hokage can NOT resurrected by the jutsu because his soul has already been sealed back when he sealed the kyuubi inside of Naruto. EDIT: Just like how the 1st and the 2nd can no longer be summoned anymore because the 3rd sealed them with the same jutsu the 4th used on the kyuubi. And just to clarify on the sealing jutsu used the person that uses that particular sealing jutsu gets his own soul sealed as well. So with that being said the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the 4th, wont be able to be brought back as mindless zombies. But on the other hand, Narutos mother can. If anything kubo can make this interested by bringing her into the mix. <----- Someone correct me on t But this as im not that sure but as far as i can remember kushina hasnt been sealed. I thought that aswell, but that raises 2 questions for me. That was common knowledge, why the hell would Orichimaru even try to summon him then? and why would the third even try to stop it? And if it's not the fourth, who the fuck was that? The third seemed to think it was all over if that got summoned. Exactly! Which is why i am confused as well. And there is no doubt that its the 4th in that box well cuz.. like the other 2 coffins which were labeled 1 and 2, the 3rd coffin was labeled 4th. which is indicating the 4th is inside considering the 1st came out the the coffin labeled 1 and the 2nd came out of the coffin labeled 2. Unless again we are being trolled by kishi.. either that or just poor writing on kishis part ORRRRR Orochimaru was mind @#$%ing the 3rd viceversa =D I guess I don't really remember... how did the 3rd stop the 3rd coffin to begin with and why didn't he do it to the other two (or every other attack for that matter if he can just arbitrarily cancels parts of an opponents technique)? To me this smells like plothole-no-jutsu and I doubt we'll ever find out =\. Even if he were to back and try to clarify oro's use of it by saying it was a different person, it wouldn't convince me that in his mind it wasn't the 4rth when he first wrote it. it's not a plothole. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning:_Impure_World_Resurrection. "The soul of the intended revived must also reside in the pure world (浄土, jōdo); those whose soul has been consumed by the Death God, for example, cannot be resurrected." Which is what happened in the case of the fourth. Ergo, he cannot be ressurected using impure world ressurection. But EVERYONE knows this. The impure ressurection techinc isn't like eating an MnM why would you try to summon someone that you know you can't summon? Perhaps Orochimaru didnt know the extent/capabilities of the jutsu at the time. In any case we just need to know that the 4th can not be summoned but Kushina Uzumaki CAN be summoned. And im guessing she will be used in the near future. I calling it !!! Which opens up the actual major plothole that a content heart makes them dissintegrate. How is that a plothole? Kabuto used a different version of impure world resurrection than orachimaru, so if you're saying the plothole is that the summoned 1st and 2nd hokage's didn't disintegrate, then one could just as easily argue it was a different summoning technique, or that they had no reason to be content. Also, the whole disintegration thing stopped working after kabuto absorbed more of orachimaru's cells via that snake lady anyways. The only people who disintegrated from inner peace is the first group that came with sai's brother and sasori All the people I mentioned was in the first batch.
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Ok lets just step aside from the Impure World Resurrection for a sec. Now that we have Madara in the mix the "real one" its pretty much GG no ? As far as we know the 1st was the strongest character next to the sage of six paths. And Madara was his rival.. so now that hes back who the fuck is left to stop him. As the way things are rite now i do not see naruto being able to do much to him.
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On October 13 2011 09:27 Blahbleh wrote:
Ok lets just step aside from the Impure World Resurrection for a sec. Now that we have Madara in the mix the "real one" its pretty much GG no ? As far as we know the 1st was the strongest character next to the sage of six paths. And Madara was his rival.. so now that hes back who the fuck is left to stop him. As the way things are rite now i do not see naruto being able to do much to him.
They could always try the Fairy Tail way hold hands and get blown to kingdom come.
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On October 13 2011 09:27 Blahbleh wrote:
Ok lets just step aside from the Impure World Resurrection for a sec. Now that we have Madara in the mix the "real one" its pretty much GG no ? As far as we know the 1st was the strongest character next to the sage of six paths. And Madara was his rival.. so now that hes back who the fuck is left to stop him. As the way things are rite now i do not see naruto being able to do much to him.
Uhm this is a manga, the main character will just get a random boost from something and roflstomp everything. Just as he've done 20 times before.
edit Or well the boost he just got will be enough..
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my question is that madara says he took izuna's eyes to regain his sight, but both of them had mangekyo sharingans... so the pure virtue of swapping eyes is what prevents blindness no? If that's the case, what's to say that izuna didn't simply take madara's eyes and go into hiding/planning for this day?
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Okay, to the people complaining about plot holes, there is no plot hole related to Orochimaru's summoning of the four coffins vs. the Third Hokage. The one coffin that many viewers believed to contain the Fourth Hokage, was a false assumption. You can't resurrect the Fourth, and the the person who was in the coffin was never even revealed.
Most likely it was Madara's coffin, and the Third Hokage's freaked out expression would be equally valid. He would fear fighting Madara even more than the Fourth.
It is now safe to assume that the coffin the Third denied back in his final battle with Orochimaru was Madara's coffin.
On October 13 2011 09:48 Kazeyonoma wrote:
my question is that madara says he took izuna's eyes to regain his sight, but both of them had mangekyo sharingans... so the pure virtue of swapping eyes is what prevents blindness no? If that's the case, what's to say that izuna didn't simply take madara's eyes and go into hiding/planning for this day?
Didn't Izuna die in battle ages ago? There's even a part where you see his dead body.
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On October 13 2011 09:49 blindsniper wrote:Okay, to the people complaining about plot holes, there is no plot hole related to Orochimaru's summoning of the four coffins vs. the Third Hokage. The one coffin that many viewers believed to contain the Fourth Hokage, was a false assumption. You can't resurrect the Fourth, and the the person who was in the coffin was never even revealed. Most likely it was Madara's coffin, and the Third Hokage's freaked out expression would be equally valid. He would fear fighting Madara even more than the Fourth. It is now safe to assume that the coffin the Third denied back in his final battle with Orochimaru was Madara's coffin. Show nested quote +On October 13 2011 09:48 Kazeyonoma wrote:
my question is that madara says he took izuna's eyes to regain his sight, but both of them had mangekyo sharingans... so the pure virtue of swapping eyes is what prevents blindness no? If that's the case, what's to say that izuna didn't simply take madara's eyes and go into hiding/planning for this day? Didn't Izuna die in battle ages ago? There's even a part where you see his dead body.
Yes but that was from the story by Tobi and as we all know he cannot be trusted with his version of Uchiha History, what we know from Itachi is that Madara probably took the eyes by force, but that does not mean he killed him.
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Wait what?! I thought the new Madara was just a DNA clone. That's how the resurrection works. You some DNA and grow a new Madara... Why are so many people confused on a Naruto forum 
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Yes but that was from the story by Tobi and as we all know he cannot be trusted with his version of Uchiha History, what we know from Itachi is that Madara probably took the eyes by force, but that does not mean he killed him.
Ok I see, so it would make more sense if he was using Izuna's body. Izuna was his brother, and he died, so there's a convenient body for him to use. I don't get how Obito gets involved. :\
On October 13 2011 10:29 xiaofan wrote:Wait what?! I thought the new Madara was just a DNA clone. That's how the resurrection works. You some DNA and grow a new Madara... Why are so many people confused on a Naruto forum
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The best part is, now we won't find out about Tobi's identity for another 20 chapters 
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Yea I don't know why people say Obito has anything to do with this. His ONLY role was basically to give a backstory for Kakashi's eye and his lost comrade thing.
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