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Avius
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gokai
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fanatacist
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On December 12 2009 04:57 Avius wrote: oh and shisui could control people, could he not? the arm might be more vicious than you know, wowowow or: it shoots lazerz Yea, although the controlling people thing was the eye (which Danzou has as his eye), Itachi has cast genjutsu with just his fingers before... Not that that would be necessary with an arm full of sharingan lol. I think it was probably more just for that DNA backing. Or, the sensor might have misunderstood the chakra coming from the arm as Shisui's because of the amount of sharingans there. He's from a different village, what's the likelihood that he has seen many sharingan users outside of Shisui? On top of that, he is a sensor only due to the byaakugan, which he probably stole from someone during the last ninja war, so that means he only got this power soon before he saw Shisui and before he knew the intricacies of its uses. So, it might not be Shisui's body at all. However, the first case is more likely right now I think n_n; | ||
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TealLurker
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StorkHwaiting
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On December 12 2009 02:49 travis wrote: the sharingan has been at the center of naruto since the very beginning orochimaru wanted it kakashi had it sasuke had it itachi had it it was linked to the tailed beasts naruto was always largely about the sharingan so i don't see wtf people are complaining about in fact, in conjunction with the tailed beasts the sharingan is the basis for the entire story people act like every character has it because 4 living characters currently have it. 4 characters. oh no, everything is about the sharingan Naruto was not about the sharingan. Naruto was about friendship and belonging and about Naruto being excluded from that because of his tailed demon. The focus was on being a jinchuuriki, that's why the fight with Gaara can be seen as the main fight of the original Naruto anime. Sasuke and Orochimaru figured heavily into that but Sasuke running away with Orochimaru and Naruto going after him can be seen as the closing action of the series, not its main focus. Also, the demon mark figured much more heavily than the sharingan at that point in time. Of course, Orochimaru's end goal was to attain the sharingan, but it's not what got the most play nor focus during the original naruto. Shippuden is where it's all about the sharingan. That's why the series is called Naruto, not Uchiha. | ||
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gokai
United States812 Posts
Really, I wished reading Naruto was enjoyable as before, but things are just drawn out too much. | ||
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ketomai
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Kenpachi
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StorkHwaiting
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On December 12 2009 03:18 TealLurker wrote: I'll argue against the Sharingan only for the mere fact that it has too many abilities. We are at the part of the manga where the Sharingan is basically fully evolved. It's basically the doujutsu that does everything. It can mimic movement, see chakra flow, copy techniques, see at the microscopic level. Then we get to the Mangekyou Sharingan stuff with Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo. Let's not forget there's Kakashi's Kamui technique. I just want some bounds to Sharingan. I thought the loss of eyesight was a nice touch, but that was easily remedied through taking other Uchiha eyes. I'm just at the point where I wish there was a bit less Sharingan. Note that I did not say no Sharingan. I know this won't happen because of the huge focus on Madara and Sasuke lately. Personally, I wish there was more of the Rinnegan and Byakugan. I fully agree with Tealurker's post. Also, the problem I have with Sharingan is it's a Leaf village eye technique. Yes, Leaf is one of the major powers, but at this point it seems WAY WAY too dominant compared to the other nations. There are 5 great nations, not just one. I just don't understand how there was ever any balance of power when the Akatsuki just up and grab every other nation's Jinchuuriki and it seems like the badass elites from the other clans are nothing but henchmen and goons for their Uchiha masterminds. I mean, even the Rinnegan, which should be the sage-eyes and all powerful, he's just some angry kid who is being manipulated by Madara. He had some insane powers but it still seemed much less than Sharingan. I mean, come on, these are the eyes that could take on the demon before it was split up into the various tails. You telling me Naruto breaking out into an 8-tails, which isn't even the complete version of a fraction of what the Rinnegan fought is going to overwhelm Pain's best ability? Nobody else finds this odd? And why exactly did the other nations even exist if the Uchiha clan was so all-powerful? Sure, the Leaf was originally the wood-users vs the Sharingans and they brokered a peace, but that explains Fire Nation, not the other 4 nations. It just seems extremely lopsided to me and I haven't seen much of anything impressive except for the eight-tail and his brother. I'm obviously not alone in feeling there is something funky going on with Naruto. People can fight all day about it and try to out-debate each other, but the truth of the matter is that a lot of fans feel that something isn't consistent with the world that Kishimoto originally laid out. I also think it's really bad taste to have plot details that are reliant on "reveals." Reveal plots are really shitty. By reveal plot I mean a plot in which the fans are not given enough information to piece together what's going on and must wait for the author to give them a completely unguessable plot twist. By this I mean, there was never any mention made of how the Leaf village and fire nation came about. Then way, WAY later Kishimoto explains that Uchiha was some all-powerful clan that brokered a peace. Then there's explanation about Madara, except with no mention of what his abilities were. Just that he was real powerful oooh. Also, I have never seen in any other part of the entire Naruto anime series, a ninja that can just instantaneously transfer his jutsu over to another ninja by tapping their forehead. Itachi was apparently able to transfer ungodly powerful jutsu with just the touch of a finger. He was also able to set it up so that this power that Sasuke had never even used before would activate when it saw Madara's sharingan eye. So Itachi would have to have been able to implant a jutsu powerful and complex enough to not only transfer the jutsu over to Sasuke, but take control of his chakra pathways, at the exact moment that Sasuke looked into Madara's sharingan eye. So, it not only has to have control over Sasuke's chakra pathways, but also have control of what Sasuke sees. And do all of this without Sasuke realizing in the slightest, who is very skilled at jutsu and eye techniques himself. And the only scrap of evidence making this remotely plausible is a bunch of people just saying "Oh yeah, that Itachi is soooo hot at jutsus. He can do them without even moving." So we're basically just forcefed the fact that Itachi is some ungodly powerful nina. Yet, he dies of a wasting sickness and he can't take down Madara, even though he obviously hated Madara. No instead Itachi will go through this long and complicated process of trying to tell Sasuke to hate him, relying on Sasuke to build up enough power on his own to take down Madara, having ZERO evidence that Sasuke could even use a sharingan or that Sasuke had a powerful enough sharingang to even learn tsukuyomi and amaterasu etc at that point in time, AND hatches this plan loooong ago when he's about to slaughter his own family, all so he can foil Madara's plot by implanting jutsus in Sasuke and expecting Sasuke to finish his work for him. Yes, I shouldn't feel anything is off at all about this plot. It all makes perfect sense. | ||
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fanatacist
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EDIT: Your little rant on the plot twist of the Uchiha is really ignorant. From the very beginning Sasuke was looking for his brother who killed all of Uchiha. The Valley of the End, where Sasuke fought Naruto, has a statue of Madara and the First. Kakashi's Sharingan powers being revealed in the first real fight (not against minions). The story has always had a heavy reliance on the Uchiha, it's not some BS that Kishimoto just conjured up at some point to make up for a loss of a topic. EDIT 2: Your rant about the Itachi dilemma is also very weak, why would a transfer of power like that not be viable when people can hit chakra points to disable them or strengthen them? They can clearly pass information over. People can have fucking HALLUCINATIONS with PHYSICAL IMPLICATIONS because of a single move of Itachi's fingers. His finger touching Sasuke's head could easily set off some sort of alarm clock that is like "WHEN YOU MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH MADARA'S SHARINGAN (remember, their eyes are unique) CAST THIS ABILITY THAT YOU ARE PREDISPOSED TO HAVING." Itachi measured Sasuke's abilities when he was a young kid, and given his lineage (it was obvious that Sasuke's nuclear family in the Uchiha's was of a higher status), he is likely to develop a full sharingan and have potential for the mangekyu. The finger could also easily give those skills he is predisposed to having. It's not like Itachi could go around giving any Uchiha or any other human being abilities as he saw fit. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
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You can't start a story as a mystery murder (which is what the Uchiha massacre was) then way later just explain it as "oh yeah, the Leaf clan told them to do it coz they thought the Uchiha were a threat." Along with that, here's the origin story for Leaf village. A good mystery plot leaves a lot of solid clues along the way. There were zero clues that Uchiha planned to rebel, or that there was some secret leadership aside from the Hokage. Everyone just talked about how great the Uchiha clan was and how powerful they were and how they were the Leaf village's pride and joy. Still, that's not even my main gripe. My gripe is with Itachi's motives and strategy. Sure, he did it to protect Leaf Village, but what kind of ruling council says "Yeah, we're going to use the strongest Uchiha to assassinate all the other Uchihas and have no backup or insurance for this plan. Then we're going to let this strongest Uchiha, strong enough to slaughter all other Uchihas except for Sasuke his own little brother, run off afterwards. Then they raise Sasuke up as if absolutely nothing was wrong. The entire point of killing off the clan was to end them as a threat to the Leaf forever. Why would you leave Sasuke alive after that? So he can start up a new family tree of Uchihas and hope that he just never shows any interest in his heritage or tries to dig up what happened? That makes sense? And Itachi's just on the loose, ostensibly as a double agent for Konoha. Yet he never feeds Konoha any information. He goes on a lark with Kisame walking around the village. The Hokage treats him like a sworn enemy. He makes no move to help the Leaf village in the attack by Orochimaru and the Sand, even though he could easily have ripped shit up there. And it was a very close call whether the Leaf village was going to survive that, only having a stroke of luck in which Sasuke's chidori drove Gaara mad and he turned demon and ran away from the village. And nobody had any idea that Sasuke's chidori would even do anything to Gaara. Yet Itachi sits back and just does nothing through this whole time period. And then Itachi's plan, like I said earlier and you totally did not address, is to die in front of his little brother while not telling him jack shit and transferring his strongest jutsus to Sasuke and just hoping that his amaterasu would keep Madara away from Sasuke and his brother would never find out the truth. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'm so ignorant coz there were two statues and like Kakashi had a sharingan and all. That makes the rest so plausible. I never said the sharingan was a deus ex machina that came out of nowhere halfway through the series. I said it's bullshit how it all played out. If you can't see the difference between the two then I can't really debate much more than that :-S. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
quit missing the point and just enjoy it I like reikage, hes got some moves + a fast muscle guy. now that's good archetype busting | ||
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rei
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StorkHwaiting
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On December 12 2009 06:28 rei wrote: StorkHwaiting you missed one thing, which is everything you talk about and taken as the truth of this story are all comming out of Tobi's mouth. Could it be that all these inconsistances are with in the plot? which will be reveal later on? even if it not likely, it would still be possible right? Base on the evidences of Tobi's previous work on manipulating people, can we call his attempt on manipulating Sasuke is working as planed? if so how much of what he said to sasuke was true? and how much truth was twisted to manipulate sasuke? Yeah that's a really good point, rei. I'll take that into consideration and it would make me a lot less dissatisfied than I am with the plot right now. I just wish there were some other clues left by Kishimoto so it was more up in the air about Tobi and I felt a little less in the dark about everything. I get kind of tired of the formula of having weird stuff dangled in front of me and then waiting to get the answer in a single long and tired monologue from one of the characters. There are other ways to reveal info than one-way dialogues and I wish it wasn't always this feeling of being treated like a child being told how the world works. I love Naruto, I've been a fan for eight years. It's not like I'm just bashing it out of nowhere. I am just really miffed at how things seem to be playing out. Hopefully the next arc after Shippuden will stop with the heavy emphasis on Sasuke and go back to a more balanced perspective. I fell in love with the Naruto series over Rock Lee, Gaara, Chouji, and Gama-bunta. So other than the sage-mode bonerness that Naruto got, I've been pretty sad with the other focuses. | ||
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Slaughter
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rei
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Linx_101
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fanatacist
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On December 12 2009 10:02 Linx_101 wrote: Can someone fully explain the differences between the Byakugan, the Rinnegan and the Sharingan? I keep reading that the Sharingan is the "ultimate" eye and can destroy the others. I find this hard to believe as the Rinnegan can do all of the things that fantacist said and the byakugan can.....well who knows. It just seems far-fetched. Well the Rinnegan is actually the "ultimate" eye technique. The places you are reading that are probably outdated, geared towards the first Naruto series. Sharingan has the following benefits: Genjutsu (and control over tailed beasts) Quick and accurate perception Power of predicting movement Seeing through genjutsu Basic chakra flow reading And with the Mangekyu you get one or more of the following: Amaterasu, Tsukyomi, Kakashi's technique/Madara's similar technique, Susanoo However, Mangekyu is almost separate from sharingan because it has to be awoken in a special way and only a few people have so far unlocked it (coincidentally the few Sharingan users still alive, and we are not sure yet whether or not Danzou has it). However these abilities cast an even heavier toll on the person, beyond chakra - blindness, physical damage. Byaakugan has the following: Nearly perfect sphere of vision Ability to see chakra flow along pathways and see the pressure points X-ray vision (almost) Insane distance vision Quick and accurate perception Rinnegan's abilities are very loosely defined, but the two people known to have it had these benefits (both lists combined): Control over tailed beasts Ability to master all jutsu Shared eyes with multiple bodies (shared field of vision) Probably clarity of vision is increased as well, or a power increase (early Pain's battles against superior opponents). | ||
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numLoCK
Canada1416 Posts
And has any other normal Sharingans had specific abilities? Shisui is mentioned as being able to control people or whatever, but do other people have abilities specific to their eyes? | ||
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fanatacist
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On December 12 2009 10:15 numLoCK wrote: Can someone explain to me why Sasuke has all of the same MS abilities as Itachi, and no others? I mean, if all of the MS users have unique abilities shouldn't Sasuke have some of his own, even if Itachi hooked him up with his? And has any other normal Sharingans had specific abilities? Shisui is mentioned as being able to control people or whatever, but do other people have abilities specific to their eyes? Itachi basically gave the MS to Sasuke. Sasuke didn't do anything to unlock it himself. So he basically has Itachi's eyes in every sense but the physical. I don't think there have been any other unique plain sharingan techniques other than Shisui's. I haven't seen any of the other sharingan users use the power of prediction as well as Kakashi, though. | ||
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