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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing Dragon Ball Super. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

If a chapter or an episode has already been officially released, then it is not necessary to post using spoilers.

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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9064 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 17:45:36
June 03 2017 16:52 GMT
#1301
SSB Goku with kaioken. And remember, Gohan just got his Mystic power back. So with some more training (3 hours...dunno) he could maybe fight equally with Toppo.

I can tell you now, Frieza doesn't join the team. Buu wakes up at the last second and they leave Freiza in HFIL (there LL)
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 17:04:09
June 03 2017 17:03 GMT
#1302
No, just no. That would be terrible.

It's HFIL btw.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9064 Posts
June 03 2017 17:45 GMT
#1303
Which part is terribad?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
June 03 2017 17:49 GMT
#1304
On June 04 2017 01:40 Slaughter wrote:
Toppo was on SSB Goku level while Gohan was taken care of pretty quick by SSB Goku so Toppo probably.


I'm not convinced Toppo was ever at full SSB level. Goku never seemed remotely stressed during their fight. If you consider how far Goku lets a fight go before "actually trying", I don't think we can say Toppo is on Goku's level. I would argue Gohan vs Goku is super comparable to Goku vs Toppo. Toppo is basically a joke to Goku.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 03 2017 17:49 GMT
#1305
Giving up on Freeza. That is bad storytelling.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 17:55:51
June 03 2017 17:54 GMT
#1306
On June 04 2017 01:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
SSB Goku with kaioken. And remember, Gohan just got his Mystic power back. So with some more training (3 hours...dunno) he could maybe fight equally with Toppo.

I can tell you now, Frieza doesn't join the team. Buu wakes up at the last second and they leave Freiza in HFIL (there LL)


I really don't think Buu will be in the tournament. He is way, way, way too strong for a ringout style fight. Being able to form any object, shape, etc, all while being able to absorb people without killing them, is downright OP.

Goku and Vegeta setting up people for Buu to absorb would be a 100% checkmate situation with no visible counter. Or at least not based on who we have seen so far.

From what we've seen, all of universe 11 could be pretty easily absorbed into Buu except Jiren. Setting up Toppo and the rest of his squad would be simple for Goku, Vegeta and Gohan. Once Toppo and his friends are absorbed, taking out Jiren would be a joke for Buu. It would be a cycle that continued to snowball and it would kill the tournament. All they would have to do is have Buu slowly eject fighters once everyone was absorbed, then smash them out of the ring. And if they focused on exclusively ringing out Buu, he could just turn into a form (could likely even return to his gas form if needed) where he isn't efficient to kill. And with the saiyans protecting Buu until he absorbs a critical mass of fighters, it is GG. There's no situation where saiyans + Buu lose the tournament.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
June 03 2017 18:01 GMT
#1307
On June 04 2017 02:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 01:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
SSB Goku with kaioken. And remember, Gohan just got his Mystic power back. So with some more training (3 hours...dunno) he could maybe fight equally with Toppo.

I can tell you now, Frieza doesn't join the team. Buu wakes up at the last second and they leave Freiza in HFIL (there LL)


I really don't think Buu will be in the tournament. He is way, way, way too strong for a ringout style fight. Being able to form any object, shape, etc, all while being able to absorb people without killing them, is downright OP.

Goku and Vegeta setting up people for Buu to absorb would be a 100% checkmate situation with no visible counter. Or at least not based on who we have seen so far.

From what we've seen, all of universe 11 could be pretty easily absorbed into Buu except Jiren. Setting up Toppo and the rest of his squad would be simple for Goku, Vegeta and Gohan. Once Toppo and his friends are absorbed, taking out Jiren would be a joke for Buu. It would be a cycle that continued to snowball and it would kill the tournament. All they would have to do is have Buu slowly eject fighters once everyone was absorbed, then smash them out of the ring. And if they focused on exclusively ringing out Buu, he could just turn into a form (could likely even return to his gas form if needed) where he isn't efficient to kill. And with the saiyans protecting Buu until he absorbs a critical mass of fighters, it is GG. There's no situation where saiyans + Buu lose the tournament.


I would actually enjoy them being smart for once. I'm sure buu's technique has some limitations, it's not like he could absorb a bunch of people, then the gods of destruction/angels and eventually zeno sama.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9064 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 18:16:28
June 03 2017 18:09 GMT
#1308
You guys are giving these writers too much credit. I mean, they wrote in that if you focus your power into a small center on your back, and wait until it's tingly, you'll achieve super saiyan. Kale is female Broly. I think it'll come down to Universes 7, 6, and 11.

EDIT: Thinking about it, maybe Kale goes on a Broly like rampage after being forced to transform and ends up killing most of U6? That would drop them out of the tournament. There's also the furry universe that might not be able to gather enough. Will all the universes even enter? If not, what will happen then?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 18:21:39
June 03 2017 18:09 GMT
#1309
On June 04 2017 03:01 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2017 02:54 Mohdoo wrote:
On June 04 2017 01:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
SSB Goku with kaioken. And remember, Gohan just got his Mystic power back. So with some more training (3 hours...dunno) he could maybe fight equally with Toppo.

I can tell you now, Frieza doesn't join the team. Buu wakes up at the last second and they leave Freiza in HFIL (there LL)


I really don't think Buu will be in the tournament. He is way, way, way too strong for a ringout style fight. Being able to form any object, shape, etc, all while being able to absorb people without killing them, is downright OP.

Goku and Vegeta setting up people for Buu to absorb would be a 100% checkmate situation with no visible counter. Or at least not based on who we have seen so far.

From what we've seen, all of universe 11 could be pretty easily absorbed into Buu except Jiren. Setting up Toppo and the rest of his squad would be simple for Goku, Vegeta and Gohan. Once Toppo and his friends are absorbed, taking out Jiren would be a joke for Buu. It would be a cycle that continued to snowball and it would kill the tournament. All they would have to do is have Buu slowly eject fighters once everyone was absorbed, then smash them out of the ring. And if they focused on exclusively ringing out Buu, he could just turn into a form (could likely even return to his gas form if needed) where he isn't efficient to kill. And with the saiyans protecting Buu until he absorbs a critical mass of fighters, it is GG. There's no situation where saiyans + Buu lose the tournament.


I would actually enjoy them being smart for once. I'm sure buu's technique has some limitations, it's not like he could absorb a bunch of people, then the gods of destruction/angels and eventually zeno sama.


The limitation that we've seen is that he can't absorb people wildly stronger than him. Vegito was able to blow him up from the inside by forming a barrier and just generally being insanely OP. But so long as Goku/Vegeta etc work their way up and perhaps even knock opponents out prior, it would be a sure win.

Remember those furries? They would be easy to farm for some initial Buu power boost. If they were smart about not going overboard too quickly, Buu would be unstoppable.

Edit: I think this is also why they chose not to use Cell. Characters with the ability to absorb others are insanely OP in a team setting.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-03 18:23:08
June 03 2017 18:22 GMT
#1310
woops quoted myself instead of edit lol
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 04 2017 01:46 GMT
#1311
Uneventful yet interesting episode, but it would be really stupid to just go back on this now. The stage is pretty much set for Freeza to participate and it would be really bad if they made all that hype then turned it around.

Universe 4 is a pair of 9 which is weak, but I don't think U4 is weak - yet they're scared enough of U7. I think U7 is going to be at least one of the better ones here.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9064 Posts
June 04 2017 02:28 GMT
#1312
^ Just watched it myself. I agree with what you said. But man, U6 is ridiculous. SSJ is such a shit transformation these days. SSJ1 Goku was emotional. SSJ2 Gohan was emotional. SSJ1 Trunks and Vegeta were emotional. Now they have everyone just shitting out the transformation.

A lot of the plot hurts my DBZ soul.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 04 2017 02:29 GMT
#1313
SSJ was trivialized since Trunks and Goten. Not particularly happy about that but we're way past that event horizon.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9064 Posts
June 04 2017 02:32 GMT
#1314
I get that. But now it's literally just being shat out left and right.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 04 2017 02:37 GMT
#1315
Did you also mind Cabba becoming SSJ mid-fight? I partially explain it by them just being much, much stronger.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 04 2017 02:41 GMT
#1316
Yea Cabba is waaaay stronger then U7 sayians when they 1st went SSJ.

Kinda interesting that Caulifa appeared to have went SSJ2 when she deflected that blast from Kale lol.

I wonder if U4 is going to prevent Frieza from entering somehow?
Never Knows Best.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9064 Posts
June 04 2017 02:42 GMT
#1317
The way he got there made sense during the time. But in the grand scheme of things, it's not that impressive. I guess U6 Saiyans just have a higher propensity of becoming SSJ. Which would make sense if we had a reference to go from. Planet Vegeta was pretty advanced when it was destroyed. We don't know much about the planet Cabba and the others inhabit.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 04 2017 02:46 GMT
#1318
It's called Sadal, Saiyans are like galactic police, they have kings and shit like the original Saiyans, otherwise they seem to share personalities. I think that's enough to make some inferences about their kinds of Saiyans.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9064 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-04 03:02:13
June 04 2017 03:01 GMT
#1319
I get they're parallel, one side went good and one went bad, but still. Planet Vegeta needed some heavy emotional triggers to transform. Now we get "focus on the tingly." That's garbage. I know I'm being a Yamcha here, but come on. I mean, really come on.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
June 04 2017 03:11 GMT
#1320
I get what you're saying. The problem is that, as dub Vegeta put it, SSJ has long since become a child's plaything. That's how it's treated here and truth is simply that it's not that much of a milestone anymore. The first few Saiyans had a strong burst of emotion that turned them super, but after that it was a huge nothing burger.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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