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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 17 2017 00:50 BigFan wrote: no, you're right, they can't and shock above is right too, it was specifically technology made for those androids and they can also be overpowered if given too much energy. I think the energy shield being discussed is the one that deflects energy blasts rather than absorbing them. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 17 2017 01:37 Slaughter wrote: Well we don't even know how strong the androids are right now. 18 hasn't trained since she settled down and who knows how strong 17 is because Goku just like spars with the teammates to try to match their power levels. Either way they should both be above base ssj from DBZ and 17 is probably significantly stronger. It would have been more telling if they had him spar with Gohan. I've been trying to think of ways to justify android 17 being somewhat on Goku's level. 1. We are told the 17/18 generation of androids have "limitless" power, meaning they do not experience fatigue. This could mean a lot of things, but one of the most directly apparent is the fact that they could basically train continuously for years and never actually stop. I think we could safely assume that would allow an android to train for 24 hours per day instead of, being generous, 8 hours. So we can assume an android could increase their power at 3x the rate, all other things held constant, purely from a sleep and fatigue perspective. 2. Unlike 19/20, they are made of an organic material that is styled after biological cells, allowing them to be assimilated into Cell. From this, we are basically told that androids are some kind of incredibly advanced lifeform. When you factor in the other amazing things Gero pulled off, it feels entirely feasible that 17 and 18 are similar to Frieza and his clan. I think it's entirely reasonable to assume 17 could train much more rapidly than Goku. If we are feeling particularly generous, it could be possible that the reason the androids do not have detectable power is because they use an energy similar to god ki. Not to say they were some kinda SSB thing in the cell saga, but similar to shin, they could have a totally different form of power, capable of growth like all the others, without being detectable. It doesn't seem to be a simple matter of power where at one point you become godlike. If that was the case, Shin would not be total dog shit. With that said, it is entirely reasonable to suggest 17 and 18 are some kinda form of life even greater than the Frieza clan. By that logic, and considering the fact that 17 and 18 can not detect energy, it is totally possible that android 17 was actively training and increasing his power even during the events of the Buu saga. He may have actually had no idea anything was happening until the planet started getting wild. It doesn't look like 18 was training much, but if we assume my two assumptions above, the idea of 17 being somewhat close to Goku is believable. If Toppo and Hit managed to hit a level that can at least give Goku a challenge, android 17's uniquely excellent physiology should give him the ability to catch up very quickly. | ||
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Elentos
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And 17 was supposedly training for the past 10 years to power up. Though what exactly he did for training in his capacity as father and park ranger, who the hell knows. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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FaCE_1
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LegalLord
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LegalLord
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Slaughter
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LegalLord
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 21 2017 12:08 Slaughter wrote: The 2 female super sayians should be good. If the rumors are true that Freeza will join U7 team it would be interesting to see him meet Frost. I would lose my damn mind, break down into tears of happiness and faint | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
Also Krillin and 18 quit? --; This is why you TELL the members of the team the stakes, so they don't just think they can pull out for silly reasons. | ||
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Elentos
55586 Posts
Also I'll admit, when the Grand Priest said 'They were doing something interesting to strengthen their team spirit' and it cut to Gowasu behind the camera, my mind went to a dirty place. Regardless, good to see Gowasu getting them Godtube views. | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
I hope Buu wakes up, but if he doesn't I think they are going to give the spot to Yamcha. The joke has just gone too far. I am starting to feel bad for him. | ||
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