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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing Dragon Ball Super. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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SKNielsen1989
Profile Blog Joined January 2017
174 Posts
March 30 2017 13:34 GMT
#861
manga vs anime

I dont have any insight knowledge but I think its a safe bet that the target audience is not the same

anime is probably more intended for kids, while manga for teens
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
March 30 2017 13:51 GMT
#862
Sorry for the OT, but all the talk about canon reminded me of this
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TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
March 30 2017 14:25 GMT
#863
On March 29 2017 13:41 LegalLord wrote:
I'm at the "I see a lot wrong with this show, but I do genuinely enjoy it" phase.

I stopped watching the show long ago, but i'm really enjoying the manga. Not as great as the orginal dragonball manga tough.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
March 30 2017 14:34 GMT
#864
On March 30 2017 22:51 Artisreal wrote:
Sorry for the OT, but all the talk about canon reminded me of this


One of my favorite O2Jam songs. O2Jam is the best.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 02 2017 02:57 GMT
#865
everytime an episode comes out crunchyroll goes down or servers are extremely slow lol
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 02 2017 03:09 GMT
#866
Remember when everyone tried to attack perfect cell and he was like he was invincible? Punch straight to the head and no movement? That's what Goku vs Krillin should have looked like. I'm really bummed they showed Krillin to be remotely near Goku. Krillin as a character has no reason to be anywhere near the level of a candidate for god of destruction. There are so many things that make Goku supposed to be unique. Krillin even coming close to making him move an inch is a huge disappointment.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-02 04:08:42
April 02 2017 04:02 GMT
#867
On April 02 2017 12:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Remember when everyone tried to attack perfect cell and he was like he was invincible? Punch straight to the head and no movement? That's what Goku vs Krillin should have looked like. I'm really bummed they showed Krillin to be remotely near Goku. Krillin as a character has no reason to be anywhere near the level of a candidate for god of destruction. There are so many things that make Goku supposed to be unique. Krillin even coming close to making him move an inch is a huge disappointment.

same thing should have happened with gohan, regardless of training he owned the crap out of super buu who was regarded as a powered up version of the most powerful evil being in the universe (buu), krillin shouldnt even be able to move gohan at all, and the Kamehameha battle should have been so oneside that krillian blast would have instantly been overpowered, but for a second it was even pushing back goku's blast WTF??? like how...i know they're trying to move away from "power lvls" but this is just making everything so cloudy...there was a reason that krillin, tien were falling out of the battle vs cell, buu. They barely could do anything vs cell, and as for buu they were just bodies thrown against the wall to buy time.

Lastly goku has been training his base form...i cant believe he actually need to go ssj at all, his base power should have been well over the gap to push krillin to his limits.
I hope they just have krillin get blown out of the water in like the first 2 seconds of the tournament...casue no hate on him but the way they progressed his character in dbz means he has no chance at fighting anyone but normal humans or the lowest alien races

i just had to google this
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 02 2017 04:26 GMT
#868
yeah good point about gohan. This shit is starting to actually bug me. GT did a much better job at respecting power levels.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
April 02 2017 04:28 GMT
#869
I enjoyed the episode. It was obvious they were going to have Krillin be stronger then he was before.

Multiple times in the episode they kept bringing up and reminding us and Goku that its a proper tournament with proper rules and that brute strength alone won't be enough. Gohan losing makes sense. He lost by ringout. He didn't lose because of brute strength he lost because of strategy.

Krillin wasn't going to beat Goku in brute strength so he tried beating him by being smart and using strategy. It almost worked until Goku went super saiyan and then Blue then he had no chance. Everyone knew that Krillin was gonna get his ass kicked when Goku went blue but Krillin still had the balls to go against it. Yes, he pushed back blue Goku for a second but then Goku easily pushed him back and if it wasn't for 18 he would've killed him. The entire point was to show that he got stronger. Hes NEVER going to be Goku level strong so people popping a blood vessel over this episode are hilarious.

Most of the time I feel people complain just for the sake of complaining. By the way, this isn't entirely directed at people here, but at what I usually see when people are mad/being nitpicky. I feel like if people weren't so easily angered at the slightest bit of something being "wrong" they'd enjoy things so much more.

You guys are at least more level headed then most.
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
April 02 2017 04:49 GMT
#870
I loved the episode. I am so tired of the sayians being the only relevant characters. I have wished for years for some other characters to get a little respect. And it's not like Krillin actually has a chance against Gohan or Goku in a real fight. They made that pretty clear. Being angry that Krillin doesn't get one-shoted is just silly. Loved 18 in this episode too. I hope they keep this up in the tournament as well.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-02 05:03:29
April 02 2017 04:56 GMT
#871
On April 02 2017 13:28 Disengaged wrote:
I enjoyed the episode. It was obvious they were going to have Krillin be stronger then he was before.

Multiple times in the episode they kept bringing up and reminding us and Goku that its a proper tournament with proper rules and that brute strength alone won't be enough. Gohan losing makes sense. He lost by ringout. He didn't lose because of brute strength he lost because of strategy.


But Gohan shouldn't have even been moved. Gohan vs Buu and Krillin's presence in the Buu saga basically disallow Krilling from even being able to move Gohan. Gohan's speed should have basically been like Whis knocking out Beerus.

Edit: I will say that I am happy there are other characters besides Vegeta and Goku getting developed, and I guess this is a necessary part of having Krillin be relevant somehow. This is a blatant disregard for power scaling and redefining powers, but oh well. We'll see where they take it.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 02 2017 05:02 GMT
#872
I don't think it is silly to expect a coherent story. The author of dragonball went down that route of only sayians being relevant and it was established as such. You cannot just retcon that now. Dragonball was never about equal strength people fighting and using their wits.
The episode would be totally fine if the power levels wouldn't be that different, but they are. It's just completely silly to neglect it because you failed up to this point to write your story in a way where most characters can fight about equally.
At least it wasn't as bad as i expected it to be after reading the first posts, it was indeed clear that krillin is weaker. But they still portrayed it as way too close in the end. And all that talk about goku needing more experience, etc when he is the guy who fought more opponents than anyone else, i don't know it's just disappointing storytelling.

So while i think the episode itself was structured quite nicely, gave a little flashback to goku vs krillin in db, the kid believing in her parents, etc it simply doesn't work for dragonball and its characters. You can call it nitpicky but i think it's not even close to it
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 02 2017 05:49 GMT
#873
Gohan is rusty and got hit by a potshot. To give a Starcraft example, it's like a really good player who's been away from the game for like a year getting cheesed out by a moderately good one like a month after returning because the game sense sort of got rusty.

Goku obviously made short work of Krillin and any appearance of "having a chance" was him going kind of easy on Krillin. That fight was very obviously one-sided.

In the preview, one of Toppo's buddies looks like a purple bunny, like Beerus except more like a rabbit than a cat. Meaningful?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
April 02 2017 06:23 GMT
#874
Serious Dragonball ended with Cell. The power level/power scaling thing got so out of hand that they had to come up with a new scale in the Buu saga. The whole thing became a parody. They even made fun of it in Resurrection of F. And that's because Toriyama was never thinking about the stupid power levels. Had the show ended at the Frieza or Cell saga I would be fine with that, but if you are going to continue the story from there, than yeah, I want to see some other characters as well. The only way to do that is either power them up or de-emphasize power levels a bit and have them be tricky. I think they chose the better option. Had Krilling come anywhere close to Goku in power people would be screaming ass-pull.

I get it though. The truth is Dragonball Super is fan service. They are just giving me what I want and I love it. I get why some people don't like it, but like I sad, for me serious Dragonball ended with Cell. Now I just want to have fun with characters I have loved for years.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6292 Posts
April 02 2017 08:14 GMT
#875
I had no real problem with this episode. It was clear to me that Goku far surpassed Krillin in power and he only went ssj blue to prepare Krillin for what he'd encounter in the tournament.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-02 09:44:15
April 02 2017 09:40 GMT
#876
On April 02 2017 15:23 sashkata wrote:
Serious Dragonball ended with Cell. The power level/power scaling thing got so out of hand that they had to come up with a new scale in the Buu saga. The whole thing became a parody. They even made fun of it in Resurrection of F. And that's because Toriyama was never thinking about the stupid power levels. Had the show ended at the Frieza or Cell saga I would be fine with that, but if you are going to continue the story from there, than yeah, I want to see some other characters as well. The only way to do that is either power them up or de-emphasize power levels a bit and have them be tricky. I think they chose the better option. Had Krilling come anywhere close to Goku in power people would be screaming ass-pull.

I get it though. The truth is Dragonball Super is fan service. They are just giving me what I want and I love it. I get why some people don't like it, but like I sad, for me serious Dragonball ended with Cell. Now I just want to have fun with characters I have loved for years.

the buu saga was great, seeing vegeta go majin was great, gohan getting mystic and kicking ass, fusion gotenks was...werid but i wouldnt say it was terrible, vegeta's progression there felt very true to his character and yet developed in a really honorable way, after the "intro" to the buu saga and all the sillyness that follows the rest of the eps were relatively seriously with great scenes, speechs and clear powerups. The power scaling while it went crazy high, stayed consistent within the story and it was not all brawn>everything, gotenks retarded tatics, picoloco having a backup plan by locking buu in the time chamber, buu absorbing gohan due to him letting his guard down and goku at the very end wishing for buu to come back (as uub because it was just that great of a fight. Everyone played a fantastic part in that saga.

I really like having random whims and watching a scene from dbz on youtube, from the nameka saga, cell or buu as for super theres some moments and obviously theres way more to come, but right now i wish for more seriousness and less silly goku hopefully to come with this tournament.
Goku and vegeta are still very much the main characters the desire to see them show how far they've come from the frieza saga means alot. Sayians are very much my interest in dbz (personally love the frieza story line with them)
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-03 07:55:13
April 03 2017 06:09 GMT
#877
On April 02 2017 12:09 Mohdoo wrote:
Remember when everyone tried to attack perfect cell and he was like he was invincible? Punch straight to the head and no movement? That's what Goku vs Krillin should have looked like. I'm really bummed they showed Krillin to be remotely near Goku. Krillin as a character has no reason to be anywhere near the level of a candidate for god of destruction. There are so many things that make Goku supposed to be unique. Krillin even coming close to making him move an inch is a huge disappointment.

Goku was holding back.

Seriously anyone that doesn't think Goku was holding back against Krillin is ridiculous.


On April 02 2017 17:14 RvB wrote:
I had no real problem with this episode. It was clear to me that Goku far surpassed Krillin in power and he only went ssj blue to prepare Krillin for what he'd encounter in the tournament.


Exactly.


The whole point of the episode is that strength alone cannot win in the tournament and that you need to have tactics as well.
Moderatorlickypiddy
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
April 03 2017 07:37 GMT
#878
I wonder if they'll give tien a new technique
Moderatorlickypiddy
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12764 Posts
April 03 2017 09:22 GMT
#879
The power scaling is definitly weird and honestly it's strange to have these as the ten strongest in the universe.

So many of them are out of shape, shouldnt goten and trunks beat out tien quite easily?
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Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-03 10:12:37
April 03 2017 10:12 GMT
#880
On April 03 2017 16:37 NovemberstOrm wrote:
I wonder if they'll give tien a new technique

when he makes the triangle shape with his hands, instead of a square attack its now a hexagon
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
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