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That's the thing with a lot of the tech that they show in the Marvel universe as constructed for the movies - a lot of the things they have are expensive one-off (or very limited production) because of the difficulty and expense involved - take for example the much maligned flying classic Corvette. I'm willing to bet that it was something Stark the Elder put together specifically for Fury, and not something procured through "normal" government means. It's something that wouldn't be economical to manufacture on a wide scale, with an extremely limited pool of customers. The Iron Man suits are also extremely specialized equipment, with each iteration being essentially a prototype made by an extremely rich guy as a hobby in his ubertinkerer/crafter garage. The sleepytime gun is a prototype. The most believable is the quadcopter search squad, although I think any scientist would kill for the kind of sensors they apparently have on board.
I agree, in the normal government, such outlays of funds would probably be incredibly unlikely - and I say that as someone that is in government and knows how much a pain in the ass it is to get a copier serviced. But I'm not in a "black budget" agency - and there are lots of creative ways that the money could be found. Or even for things to be done for little or no cost because they provide a company a chance to put together a testbed project for other technologies and/or ingratiate themselves with government procurement. My ex-wife was in a special operations unit in the military, and at least five companies I know of practically threw gear at them for free because of the potential to increase their standing. (Nothing remotely on the scale of what's in the show, of course - but it gave them some name recognition and standing among the rank and file.) If you factor in the "comic book" factor and the fudge room of a black budget organization which possibly receives support covertly from multiple governments and agencies, a lot of it starts to reduce the potential problems. Of course, Shield could also be in on the MiB style of funding via owning certain patents on a wide range of technologies that they have run into or seized assets from bad guys they take down.
Even with great technology, they also rely on a normal federal LEO tactic as well - they call for and receive support from local law enforcement whenever necessary.
I agree the show is not dark or serious, but then I don't think it was meant to be. And it could also lead into tying backstory together for future movies. It leans a lot on the movies (aka, not explaining things because hey, you've already seen the movies right?) but it can provide material that will be involved in future movies, not unlike The Clone Wars did for the Star Wars prequels.
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This show has Joss Whedon written all over it. The humor! The epic! Although the characters seem bland, which is unlike him (not Coulson, I love that guy). The labbies seem like the biggest archetype energetic tech geeks ever. But it's a Whedon show so he is probably going to make me love them and then kill them off horribly and hit me right in the feels again (Fucking Wes) :'(.
It also seems like this show is less dark than his other shows, but I guess it's only the first episode. Seems to me that the marvel universe have plenty of opportunity for dark shit to happen, probably more than the Buffy/Angel universe had. Will be exiting to see.
In response to the ongoing discussion in this thread, I have no idea wtf people is going on about. The tech is awesome, and not that unbelievable (with the invisible helicarrier and all). Just roll with it.
I'm just happy that Whedon is Marvel's new golden boy so the show won't be canceled after first season, hopefully :p (Unless it suck donkey balls of course, which it probably won't. It would have to be really bad for it to be canceled, since this is a prime opportunity for Marvel to introduce new shit without wasting movietime. One they will hopefully use to flesh out the universe, leaving more time for flashy gci like the masses want in the movies.)
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On September 26 2013 01:03 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 20:55 -Archangel- wrote:On September 25 2013 20:21 Daray wrote:On September 25 2013 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness. If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment. I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that. Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced. Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary. Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
What anything could she do?
Sure, she wiped out an identity quickly, but I assume you're not referring to that, as she already said that she had done it before, so it probably could have been the press of a button...
And since she'd done it before, she would have the time to faff about telling the Shield guys where she was.
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so is it revealed how many episodes there will be for season 1?
decent episode 1, a little bit to forced comedy
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On September 26 2013 04:42 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 01:56 -Archangel- wrote:On September 26 2013 01:03 wei2coolman wrote:On September 25 2013 20:55 -Archangel- wrote:On September 25 2013 20:21 Daray wrote:On September 25 2013 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness. If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment. I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that. Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced. Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary. Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards. It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing. You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show. Difference is stark is a very rich billionaire, no gov't agency would ever give their agents the money to modify their own cars into flying cars.
You are now arguing only to argue, right?
Coulson is lvl 7 clearance, probably next to Fury who is in charge. SHIELD is biggest "secret" organization in the world with most advanced tech. I don't see a problem in letting one of their highest ranking members having a flying car (or hovering car).
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so far, too "12 years old friendly" for my taste. Nothing original. Some nice characters, but "deja-vu" everywhere...
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10 minutes in and I'm dying from the cheese.
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The pilot just didn't do anything for me, not going to watch a second episode.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
I expected more, I was thinking more of the lines of x-files.... I hope it gets better.
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On September 26 2013 05:37 SixStrings wrote:
Are we still arguing about the flying car?
Jesus ass-eating Christ, this is Marvel, supposedly one turbine of Iron Man's Mark 6 would be more expensive than to manufacture twenty of those cars.
It's a cool gimmick, get over it.
Solid 6/10 show so far.
The problem with the flying car was not that it flew, but that the animation quality was atrocious. Perhaps people mislike the flying car because it 'feels' cheesy due to the fact that it just looks cheap as fuck.
In fact basically every element in the show feels very cheap, even lazy, right down to the writing, it grieves me to say. I don't know exactly how many writers are involved, but i expected MUCH better based on whedons involvment. 
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Overall the show was pretty good to me. Although I could definately see the cheese you guys are talking about, the biggest culprit to me was missing a great chance for character/relationship/exposition development during the "interrogation" for the grandma one-liner.
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This was awesome. Not sure what the deal with Coulson is though, if he's a clone or whatever, hence the 'he can't ever find out'.
It's funny how different they look in the TV shows than a photoshopped up Hollywood movie :p
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he doesnt act like coulson in the movie... its throwing me off
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Next episode tonight, I'm looking forward to it.
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Hm. It's becoming clear that this is more of an entertainment show than anything "deep", so to speak. Not bad, but this episode didn't rock my socks or anything special. Enjoyable, looking forward to next week.
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episode 2 a lot better than the pilot episode, but there is plenty to improve on. The characters feel like caricatures not people, thus it feels hard to relate. though "team building" episode was probably necessary, the show didn't let the character interaction develop enough, to make it feel more relevant.
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juicyjames
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I can forgive the really shallow characters right now. The first episode had to do a lot:
1) Show a world with superheroes and how people react to it
2) Introduce the main players and the setting
3) Go on an action-packed adventure sprinkled with heartwarming moments and adventure
What time there is for #2 has to get divided between the 6 or so main characters. There's just no way to give a character depth in that regard.
Firefly had things a lot easier as they started off with a smaller team, and had more than twice the running time of an episode.
I'm happy with this series so far, and I'll continue to watch it. I think the romantic interest seems really artificial and stupid though. The two most-important most-attractive characters with opposite ideals are put on a team very close to each other. Oooh look they're flirting. Whoop-de-doo.
Seeing SLJ was a huge surprise though.
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I thought Arrow was cheesy, but this show is the swiss cheese. I had to force myself to watch the whole episode. The cliches with the british techlab guy and girl(this isn't James Bond you know), the asian kungfu master, the american superspy, the hot nerd hacker girl, the he isn't fit for combat but saves the day sutff and the bad acting just push me over and say go watch something else, if this survives 3 seasons get back to it. As somebody above me was saying, it has pg12 all over it. It's a shame, could have been something much more thrilling.
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agree, show is very cheesy. i think coulson cameo's in the movies were good, but that was for like 10 seconds.
doing those one liners for an entire 40 minute episode every week, i don't think it will work.
but its still early. they need to start bringing in some super heroes. don't have to be A-listers (i know they're saving them for movies), but bring in some B or C-team avengers, and villians.
so far, we've rehashed extremis, and the tasserac tech from the movies.
i'm just not feeling the the team members, i think the characters are just too cliche.
also, the TV show looks kind of cheap. maybe they need a better camera or something, but the cinematography looks like an episode of V. hell, the guys who do the anthony bourdain cnn travel show has better shots.
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