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On September 25 2013 14:02 TanKLoveR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 12:16 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 25 2013 11:54 TanKLoveR wrote:On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy?
I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly.
I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out.
Pretty disappointed so far. Some parts of it were okay, I managed to deal with the "geeks" in their team which were pretty dumb but then they showed that flying car at the end.... wtf was that? Now every vehicle that shouldn't fly just flies because of the carrier thing?. That was cheesy beyond belief, felt like I was watching a back to the future, totally out of place there. I thought they were going to go with a less serious and not shitty version of heroes but this is just cheesy, if they don't tone that down I'll probably stop watching in a couple of weeks. Flying cars are being developed for the real world, its not that ridiculous. That's how you defend that? "Hey we're getting flying cars eventually so it's not that stupid we see them here", it looked stupidly cheesy. I wouldn't be surprised to see a flying scooter or a flying skateboard now, everything has rockets/wind turbines because shield has ridiculous amounts of money and they are somehow 100 years more technologically advanced than the rest of the planet. Ugh it just bothered me, that with the twin cliche geeks who are obviously dating and the genius hacker who hacks everything by clicking a menu sigh.
You're really going to dislike the Hammer drones becoming more common then.
Come on - this is set in a universe where SHIELD HQ is a flying helicarrier, the first super man was created using 1940s technology (and "vita-rays"), an Asgardian just finished getting his ass kicked by a guy in a robotic suit that is quite literally lightyears ahead of current exoskeletal systems in his building powered by a giant glowing torus that he expects to last 5 years. To say NOTHING of all the computer displays you're seeing in use, holographic projectors, truth serums that work faster than it takes for someone to smile, being able to pull pretty damned good video out of baked (in Extremis levels of heat) flash chips...
And you're bitching about a FLYING CAR that is shown with slightly better flight characteristics than a quad copter? (Edited to add - after watching again, I caught a better glance at the wheel wells. This is only a continuation and refinement of the concept car Stark the Elder demo'd during the expo scene in Captain America - in 1941.)
I'll admit, the tech leaps are a bit beyond even what you'll see on CSI, but it's not like they're trying to portray reality. It's the Marvel universe - this tech is out there, even if it is hideously expensive and rare. Could it be cheesy? Sure. But have you talked to Stan Lee lately? He doesn't mind getting cheeky with his universe, and neither does Joss Whedon. It's a TV show, there will be some stereotypes - it helps a wider audience connect. (Also, I should point out that hacking is almost point and click, depending on what distro you go with and what front end you put on the tools.)
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On September 25 2013 14:11 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 14:08 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i bet they came up with that stupid faked death story just for this show. i was expecting to see some real heroes, not some black ops government dicks and sexy women hackers The conversation between Hills and the doctor make it sound like there's something more to it. Likely something like the Super Soldier Serum or some other technology (maybe even cloning).
or maybe hes a "life model decoy". those were referenced briefly by stark in the movies(like really briefly jokingly) but im hoping theres something more to that. and if its just that flat out guessable as they are quite common in the marvel universe, i hope they dont drag it out like that and have that be the big conclusion or something.
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I liked the pilot and I also enjoyed the MARVEL way of telling the story. Not to funny and not too dark which considering this is a series and not a movie sets up the pace nicely.
Regarding Coulson I don`t think is a "life mode decoy" and more of a timed life, guess we`ll see more of that in the next episodes.
+ Show Spoiler +Now about inExtremis yes they could have found a better starting plot but it wasn`t bad at all. I enjoyed the pilot so far and have bigger expectations for the following episodes.
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Oh god, this first episode was sooo bad. So fucking campy, and so many overplayed tropes, that were exaggerated. It was silly as fuck.
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On September 25 2013 13:08 Pumaska wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy?
I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly.
I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out.
Pretty disappointed so far. My thoughts exactly, I'm hoping it will get better in the coming weeks.
I hope it does not change, I love it the way it is. It has a comic book feel with decent production values.
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It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
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I wish it was a bit more serious, there are too many comic lines and moments. And most of them are not even funny, just silly.
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On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness.
If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
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Someone may have asked this question before but I don't want to look for it in danger of getting spoiled. I thought Coulson died in the Avengers. How did he come back? Is it talked about in the beginning of the episode?
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On September 25 2013 18:43 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
Someone may have asked this question before but I don't want to look for it in danger of getting spoiled. I thought Coulson died in the Avengers. How did he come back? Is it talked about in the beginning of the episode?
yes its talked about
minor? spoilers, from wikipedia:
+ Show Spoiler +Coulson reveals that he DID die at Loki's hands but was immediately resuscitated by S.H.I.E.L.D. medics and sent to recover in Tahiti. Fury withheld this information from the Avengers to facilitate their collaboration as a team. However, the details that Coulson relates regarding his death and resurrection may, in fact, be fabrications. After making a quip about Tahiti in the show's pilot, a S.H.I.E.L.D. doctor remarks that Coulson "really doesn't know, does he?" to which Agent Hill replies "No, and he can never find out".
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On September 25 2013 17:53 Psyclon wrote:
I wish it was a bit more serious, there are too many comic lines and moments. And most of them are not even funny, just silly.
I liked some of the jokes. Not exactly laughing about it, but having the shadow of a smile.
Like when the hacker pronounced there's nothing they could do to stop her and then the van-door opens.
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On September 25 2013 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness. If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you
Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
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On September 25 2013 20:21 Daray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness. If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment.
I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI.
This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
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Since there aren`t any (or only a few at best) Superheroes it`ll just be another one of THOSE shows. Though I`m obviously hoping for a cool show it prolly won`t be.
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On September 25 2013 14:38 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 14:02 TanKLoveR wrote:On September 25 2013 12:16 Jaaaaasper wrote:On September 25 2013 11:54 TanKLoveR wrote:On September 25 2013 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Did no one else find it incredibly cheesy?
I had to force myself to watch the whole thing honestly.
I'm going to give it one more go but if next week's is this cringe-inducing I'm out.
Pretty disappointed so far. Some parts of it were okay, I managed to deal with the "geeks" in their team which were pretty dumb but then they showed that flying car at the end.... wtf was that? Now every vehicle that shouldn't fly just flies because of the carrier thing?. That was cheesy beyond belief, felt like I was watching a back to the future, totally out of place there. I thought they were going to go with a less serious and not shitty version of heroes but this is just cheesy, if they don't tone that down I'll probably stop watching in a couple of weeks. Flying cars are being developed for the real world, its not that ridiculous. That's how you defend that? "Hey we're getting flying cars eventually so it's not that stupid we see them here", it looked stupidly cheesy. I wouldn't be surprised to see a flying scooter or a flying skateboard now, everything has rockets/wind turbines because shield has ridiculous amounts of money and they are somehow 100 years more technologically advanced than the rest of the planet. Ugh it just bothered me, that with the twin cliche geeks who are obviously dating and the genius hacker who hacks everything by clicking a menu sigh. You're really going to dislike the Hammer drones becoming more common then. Come on - this is set in a universe where SHIELD HQ is a flying helicarrier, the first super man was created using 1940s technology (and "vita-rays"), an Asgardian just finished getting his ass kicked by a guy in a robotic suit that is quite literally lightyears ahead of current exoskeletal systems in his building powered by a giant glowing torus that he expects to last 5 years. To say NOTHING of all the computer displays you're seeing in use, holographic projectors, truth serums that work faster than it takes for someone to smile, being able to pull pretty damned good video out of baked (in Extremis levels of heat) flash chips... And you're bitching about a FLYING CAR that is shown with slightly better flight characteristics than a quad copter? (Edited to add - after watching again, I caught a better glance at the wheel wells. This is only a continuation and refinement of the concept car Stark the Elder demo'd during the expo scene in Captain America - in 1941.) I'll admit, the tech leaps are a bit beyond even what you'll see on CSI, but it's not like they're trying to portray reality. It's the Marvel universe - this tech is out there, even if it is hideously expensive and rare. Could it be cheesy? Sure. But have you talked to Stan Lee lately? He doesn't mind getting cheeky with his universe, and neither does Joss Whedon. It's a TV show, there will be some stereotypes - it helps a wider audience connect. (Also, I should point out that hacking is almost point and click, depending on what distro you go with and what front end you put on the tools.)
I am aware what this show is based on and that it's going to be silly, cheesy, unrealistic etc etc, I mean I DID watch the marvel movies all of them and I liked them BUT while they were all unrealistic in some way (after all we're talking about super heroes can't expect it to be gritty realism) they more or less explained HOW they reached that, in the show they showed a freaking flying car just 'cause. I wouldn't mind them showing technology that's leaps and bounds ahead but at least take the trouble of explaining how they got there and why it should be there, like they always did in the movies with Howard and Tony explaining stuff to a degree and then what do you know they invented something :O.
I guess the CGI also looked kind of cheap, I know it's a tv show but it didn't do it any favors in my opinion and now that you mention it it also had this CSI vibe to it which I don't know that I like, I stopped watching CSI decades ago that stuff is uninteresting and unrealistic. I just want them to tone down the cheese and the silly flying stuff that pops out of nowhere.
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On September 25 2013 14:08 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i bet they came up with that stupid faked death story just for this show. i was expecting to see some real heroes, not some black ops government dicks and sexy women hackers
the stupid faked death story is what they told him, but not what actually happened. He did in fact die, and they did bring him back, but they can't tell him for some reason, maybe he got re-built or something and isn't quite himself and they don't want him doubting himself.
Anyway I look at it, we got some fun action, interesting characters, and a neat world for them to play around with. Oh, and the witty dialogue too.
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On September 25 2013 01:13 Requizen wrote:
It also heralds (at least in part) the return of Joss Whedon to the small screen, which means it's going to get cancelled next month.
hahaha
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On September 25 2013 20:55 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 20:21 Daray wrote:On September 25 2013 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness. If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment. I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that.
Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced.
Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary.
Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
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On September 26 2013 01:03 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 20:55 -Archangel- wrote:On September 25 2013 20:21 Daray wrote:On September 25 2013 18:08 -Archangel- wrote:On September 25 2013 17:12 wei2coolman wrote:
It's one thing to be cheezy, it's another to be over the top. Imo Alphas did a really good job with their writing. Comic relief is fine, but when every single character is a blatant archetype ripoff, and over the top gadgetry with psuedoscience wiz talk tossed in for 'geekiness' and randomly thrown in accent. It adds up for a very terrible show. The pilot revealed its hand for every character, and they're all boring. People have hard time even relating with any of them if they don't tone it down.
Also the reveal for the flying cars was stupid. MiB did a much better job of setting the tone of the entire movie, so it seems less of a jump of ridiculousness. If you find this show bad, I would guess you also found Avengers bad because it did nothing better then this show, it only did it on a much larger scale. So I would guess this show is not for you Avengers has actors who can act (well, some of them can), playing characters that people already know and that have been found some what interesting. This show just feels way too campy compared to Avengers... i mean Avengers has some cheesy shit aswell but it's of the kind that puts a smile on your face instead of facepalming out of embarrassment. I stand by my words. Avengers is same "shit" on a larger scale. Your comment only means you don't really like comic books and only watched Avengers because of CGI. This show is for comic book fans, simple as that. Avengers had some pretty cringe worthy moments too. Capt America especially. Though majority wasn't so bad sinc en the cornyness was more well paced. Also the tech reveal in the show was so bad. Literally the flying little robots didn't do anything that human eye's couldn't. Like finding a security camera.... and then they purposely wrote the plot so that the data was corrupt so they can add stupid technical babble from the geeky engineering dude and the girl, and make a 3d hologram of what happened. They literally added a dues ex machina to plot line, when it literally was not necessary. Also, hacker who could do anything with a press of a button? Lol plz. That's so overplayed on tv, they're hackers not wizards.
It really does not matter. In a over the top marvel universe where stark has better tech then we will in next 50+ years what they showed here is nothing.
You are expecting stuff that will never happen in this show.
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I loved Firefly, so I will check this out.
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