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On March 14 2014 04:26 LamaMitHut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 04:25 BurningSera wrote:On March 14 2014 04:22 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 14 2014 03:51 BurningSera wrote:
ya thats it i guess but my memory was wrong on that s3 = lambs lol
it would be great to see their version of Red Dragon, goddamn i thought the movie was horrible (more like laughable). are u talking about the version of 1986? ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/77/Manhunter_michael_mann_film_poster.jpg/215px-Manhunter_michael_mann_film_poster.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunter_(film) no, i havent seen thatactually lol. i watched the one with the voldermort dude. ok, then i agree with you.
I have heard alot of good thing about that 1986 version, basically some people are saying the old version is Rolls Royce and the new one is rubbish. But I never get the chance to watch it, it is just not the kind of movie that i would go find it and watch it, much like I treat most of the movies from that era, like Aliens, I absolutely love it since i watched it when i was very young but I would not rewatch it on purpose, unless it is showed on tv or some friend somehow got a copy of it.
seriously this show is very well crafted, cant remember the last time i saw a crime show at this caliber, probably since the lambs and Seven.
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Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.
Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.
Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.
Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.
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On March 14 2014 08:45 Leporello wrote:
Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.
Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.
Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.
Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.
That scene where he stroked Julianne moore's hair when he was riding carousel.....mygod....
I only see the lambs as the only worthy Hannibal movie out there, Hopkins was perfect in that but yes his role in the other two were awful (and how strangely they did quite well at their box office...), he was more like a creepy old perv to me in them + Show Spoiler +(how am i supposed to be convinced that Clarice will end up with him)
Mads's Hannibal is the modernized version Hannibal that i'd say is a much needed modification for modern viewers while the gruesomeness and gore were beautifully portrayed - i have no complaint whatsoever. Well, the pacing can be abit slow for some impatient viewers i guess lol.
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On March 14 2014 03:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote:
Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess. Show nested quote +Bryan Fuller
In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.' I call this ambitious planning.
Agree on that thought.
Hannibal was actually pretty close at getting canned while other shows were getting green lighted for following seasons left and right.
BUT
I still remember that Bryan Fuller said that even if NBC decided to cancel the show, there are about 5 other networks that showed interests in renewing seasons so you can also say that those plan were rather conservative.
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On March 14 2014 12:34 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 03:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote:
Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess. Bryan Fuller
In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.' I call this ambitious planning. Agree on that thought. Hannibal was actually pretty close at getting canned while other shows were getting green lighted for following seasons left and right. BUT I still remember that Bryan Fuller said that even if NBC decided to cancel the show, there are about 5 other networks that showed interests in renewing seasons so you can also say that those plan were rather conservative.
Can those networks actually afford to pick it up though? I have no idea what the production budget of this show is, but I am pretty sure it isn't cheap. The show isn't getting the numbers to survive on any of the big networks.
Hopefully netflix will pick it up and NBC airs the whole second season.
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On March 14 2014 12:58 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 12:34 Xiphos wrote:On March 14 2014 03:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote:
Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess. Bryan Fuller
In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.' I call this ambitious planning. Agree on that thought. Hannibal was actually pretty close at getting canned while other shows were getting green lighted for following seasons left and right. BUT I still remember that Bryan Fuller said that even if NBC decided to cancel the show, there are about 5 other networks that showed interests in renewing seasons so you can also say that those plan were rather conservative. Can those networks actually afford to pick it up though? I have no idea what the production budget of this show is, but I am pretty sure it isn't cheap. The show isn't getting the numbers to survive on any of the big networks. Hopefully netflix will pick it up and NBC airs the whole second season.
The entire show is shot in Montreal, Canada.
But I get what you are saying, the special effect of this show have outdone itself over and over again.
I think that in terms of the budgeting though, one Hannibal episode would be just as much as it would cost to shoot an episode of CSI.
And over there in Asia, Hannibal is gaining HUGE momentum. Nearly everybody on Weibo (China's FB) have been quoting the show ad nauseum.
Regarding the show's pacing, yeah it can be slow sometime but that's what I like about it. Unlike Criminal Minds, CSI, and nowaday Law and Order, everything is like a rush to the next punchline for gag factor. This show properly set up the condition and appropriately drops one liner at impeccable timing such as Hannibal responding to the blond psychiatrist after she said "They don't know how dangerous you are." w/ "Neither do you." in a nonchalant manner that many of the main characters in 'mainstream crime shows' couldn't keep a straight face saying and spoil it w/ that smug face of "That was clever wasn't I? :p ".
And just btw Caroline Dhavernas is pretty yummy and thanks w/e galactic overlord out there that Hetienne Park have wiped that smirk face she have whenever she had a line to say during Season 2 and became more serious in partaking that role. Only thing they have to do is dial the other two forensic doctors down a notch and this show's weakness will be nigh noticeable.
On another thoughts, how amazing are the fights scene in this show? That scene w/ the black serial killer + Hannibal where the choreographer fully pan out the sequence was awesomely down. Many shows that are fast paced can't seem to slow down the action part for the audience to fully immerse ourselves into the action but due to Hannibal's pacing, it allowed us to think "Huh, well this isn't happening is it?" and surprised us all when it takes an active turn.
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I really love this show... I really hope they continue with season 3. For me 3 seasons would easily be enough for a thriller like this.
It's so detailed in it's simplicity and things generally don't feel forced.
As things on TV don't scare me anymore, the story and crime aspect of shows like these are so so important. Hannibal just delivers and delivers.
Cheers until next ep!
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I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +(copycat's copycat's copycat lol)
and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*
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Incredible show IMO.
I wouldn't say ratings are bad; season 2 currently 100% at Rottentomatoes.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/hannibal/
edit and possible spoiler: there is a reason why the most recent corpse was burned. Think about the past killings.
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On March 15 2014 22:47 BurningSera wrote:I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +(copycat's copycat's copycat lol) ? and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*
+ Show Spoiler [s2e3] +The body was killed in every way that Will supposedly killed somebody. Shot hobbs; burned like Georgia; mutilated like Sutcliff; impaled like Boyle; the ear like Abigail
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Oh I meant the tv rating, which is rather strange since everywhere is praising the show.
On March 16 2014 01:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 22:47 BurningSera wrote:I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +(copycat's copycat's copycat lol) ? and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug* + Show Spoiler [s2e3] +The body was killed in every way that Will supposedly killed somebody. Shot hobbs; burned like Georgia; mutilated like Sutcliff; impaled like Boyle; the ear like Abigail
I completely forgot that how she was killed lol. I thought it was about the killer wants to hide something on the corpse.
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On March 16 2014 01:21 BurningSera wrote:Oh I meant the tv rating, which is rather strange since everywhere is praising the show. Show nested quote +On March 16 2014 01:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On March 15 2014 22:47 BurningSera wrote:I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +(copycat's copycat's copycat lol) ? and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug* + Show Spoiler [s2e3] +The body was killed in every way that Will supposedly killed somebody. Shot hobbs; burned like Georgia; mutilated like Sutcliff; impaled like Boyle; the ear like Abigail I completely forgot that how she was killed lol. I thought it was about the killer wants to hide something on the corpse.
The stuff in this show is so subtle that you have to watch it twice to pick everything up ^_^
Also the tv ratings are the number of people who watched the show. The first two weeks had pathetic numbers, but they went up yesterday so things might be good to go for the rest of the season.
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I just watched the first two episodes of Season 2 and I think the show started off really good. The fight in the beginning was really well done.
But the scene where the black guy tore himself free from the stitches.. jesus christ.
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On March 16 2014 02:30 Nyxisto wrote:
I just watched the first two episodes of Season 2 and I think the show started off really good. The fight in the beginning was really well done.
But the scene where the black guy tore himself free from the stitches.. jesus christ.
ya that was almost like a Saw movie
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hey now red dragon was a pretty good movie, hopkins just mailed his performance as hannibal in 
other than that, edward norton as will graham, ralph fiennes as the tooth fairy, philip seymour hoffman as the freddy lounds, harvey keitel as jack crawford... they all delivered good performances particularly fiennes
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Fun fact: Hopkins only had 16 minutes of screen time during Silence of the lambs. I always found that really astonishing given how much of an impact his role had on the movie.
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On March 16 2014 04:03 Nyxisto wrote:
Fun fact: Hopkins only had 16 minutes of screen time during Silence of the lambs. I always found that really astonishing given how much of an impact his role had on the movie.
Waoh that's interesting. Hopkins is all I can remember of the movie :D
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On March 14 2014 09:26 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 08:45 Leporello wrote:
Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.
Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.
Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.
Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic. That scene where he stroked Julianne moore's hair when he was riding carousel.....mygod.... I only see the lambs as the only worthy Hannibal movie out there, Hopkins was perfect in that but yes his role in the other two were awful (and how strangely they did quite well at their box office...), he was more like a creepy old perv to me in them + Show Spoiler +(how am i supposed to be convinced that Clarice will end up with him) . And Hugh is a much better Will graham (partly thanks to the cinematography of handling his mental state, the transformation of that stag into a horned demon/humanoid is indeed excellent). Mads's Hannibal is the modernized version Hannibal that i'd say is a much needed modification for modern viewers while the gruesomeness and gore were beautifully portrayed - i have no complaint whatsoever. Well, the pacing can be abit slow for some impatient viewers i guess lol.
The bolded parts contradict each other. Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon were great movies in my opinion, both had something in common: amazing and well researched novels. If you read everything of Harris, you might also know Black Sunday - the third really good story (without Hannibal). In comparison to these three Hannibal and Hannibal Rising truely sucked ass, they were simply too much of everything, badly written and made no sense, put the old story arch in a bad light.
Without going too much into detail, Red Dragon (new one) portrayed the novel closely - Hannibal as Psychopath with flaws, Graham as profiler and so on and so forth. The series however adds entirely new characters, changes the books a lot (it's not an accident it's says "based on the novel by"). As a consequence Hannibal has less flaws, Graham is more of an autistic deus-ex-machina super brain, suddenly Lounds matters, there's Gillian Anderson and the other chick comforting Graham. It's a new story entirely, so saying "this is the better Graham" is a bit like saying "Dr. House is the better Sherlock Holmes".
Don't get me wrong, I really love that show and I'd like to see the background of the Ripper, hopefully the Red Dragon and if it's somewhat possible Silence of the Lambs. They do a brilliant job so far.
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On March 20 2014 03:30 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2014 09:26 BurningSera wrote:On March 14 2014 08:45 Leporello wrote:
Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.
Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.
Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.
Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic. That scene where he stroked Julianne moore's hair when he was riding carousel.....mygod.... I only see the lambs as the only worthy Hannibal movie out there, Hopkins was perfect in that but yes his role in the other two were awful (and how strangely they did quite well at their box office...), he was more like a creepy old perv to me in them + Show Spoiler +(how am i supposed to be convinced that Clarice will end up with him) . And Hugh is a much better Will graham (partly thanks to the cinematography of handling his mental state, the transformation of that stag into a horned demon/humanoid is indeed excellent). Mads's Hannibal is the modernized version Hannibal that i'd say is a much needed modification for modern viewers while the gruesomeness and gore were beautifully portrayed - i have no complaint whatsoever. Well, the pacing can be abit slow for some impatient viewers i guess lol. The bolded parts contradict each other. Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon were great movies in my opinion, both had something in common: amazing and well researched novels. If you read everything of Harris, you might also know Black Sunday - the third really good story (without Hannibal). In comparison to these three Hannibal and Hannibal Rising truely sucked ass, they were simply too much of everything, badly written and made no sense, put the old story arch in a bad light. Without going too much into detail, Red Dragon (new one) portrayed the novel closely - Hannibal as Psychopath with flaws, Graham as profiler and so on and so forth. The series however adds entirely new characters, changes the books a lot (it's not an accident it's says " based on the novel by"). As a consequence Hannibal has less flaws, Graham is more of an autistic deus-ex-machina super brain, suddenly Lounds matters, there's Gillian Anderson and the other chick comforting Graham. It's a new story entirely, so saying "this is the better Graham" is a bit like saying "Dr. House is the better Sherlock Holmes". Don't get me wrong, I really love that show and I'd like to see the background of the Ripper, hopefully the Red Dragon and if it's somewhat possible Silence of the Lambs. They do a brilliant job so far.
oh i didnt mean that kind of in-dept comparison between the old and new Graham, it was a very basic (and shallow) preference that i said that i think the new one is better. It is because i actually rewatched the lambs, red dragon and Hannibal recently - i wouldn't feel like comparing them if i didnt do that. See if you would feel the same next time you rewatch red dragon.
And old graham does have a super brain too. I prefer the 'uneasiness' part of acting from the new graham better.
And I get what you are saying but i dont think that i contradicted two of my points, the simplest way to explain is that i appreciate hopkins as Hannibal in the lamb very much while at the same time i appreciate the new/modernized Mads's Hannibal very much as well, they are great in their styles respectively in portraying Hannibal; for graham, I didn't think so.
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I am genuinely finding parts of this seasons Hannibal unsettling. The atmosphere is so heavy and there's a really pervasive sense of evil whenever something is even slightly related to Hannibal himself. Mads presence is truly fantastic, and the music is doing huge amounts of work too.
Talk about shit hitting the fan about the end of this weeks episode. RIP Ms Katz I guess.
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