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Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
April 07 2013 12:18 GMT
#1


Just seen the first episode and really liked the portray of Hannibal. Gentleman serial killers are always strange and hard to play as an actor but so far Mads Mikkelsen doing great job.

Here is the review of Screenrant for episode one:
http://screenrant.com/hannibal-series-premiere-review/
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Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
April 07 2013 12:38 GMT
#2
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Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.
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JaYbOc
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia97 Posts
April 07 2013 12:56 GMT
#3
I loved the first episode, esp how they don't jerk over how awesome lecter is, and actually have another interesting character.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 13:26:37
April 07 2013 13:23 GMT
#4
First Episode was done pretty well. The figure of Lecter is portayed pretty awesome . This show could be great if it keeps it up . Hopefully they don't drag out the story too much and keep it interesting .
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
April 07 2013 15:12 GMT
#5
An enjoyable first episode. Mikkelsen too good.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
April 07 2013 17:38 GMT
#6
Watched it, liked it, hope it keeps up.
Brainsurgeon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden359 Posts
April 07 2013 20:26 GMT
#7
On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
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Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

What were you expecting?
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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
April 07 2013 20:32 GMT
#8
Thought it was pretty good... Did Mads always have a lisp like that or is that part of the act? I don't remember him ever having a lisp in his other movies.
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1948 Posts
April 07 2013 20:47 GMT
#9
Haven't watched it yet but I will, because Mads Mikkelsen is the best.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 23:41:28
April 07 2013 23:39 GMT
#10
Really enjoyed this first episode. It's got so many interesting factors going for it all at once. It's very similar to the overarching setup of dexter but the tone of the show is much different. It seemed more somber the whole way through whereas dexter oscillates between warm/happy and death/darkness. I'm not entirely sure whether the viewer is supposed to support Mads as a protagonist though? He seems rational and likable enough minus the whole serial killer red flag thing.

Also, I'm curious to know whether there will be a version of doakes in this, so to speak, who saw through to the serial killer/dark part of dexter. Mads seems to have a bit of an odd persona so I wonder whether anyone will start to pick up on it and begin suspecting anything.
Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
April 07 2013 23:49 GMT
#11
On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
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Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

Have you ever watched / read anything Hannibal?
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
April 08 2013 00:33 GMT
#12
Watching this now, at 1.30am. Bad idea?
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 08 2013 00:43 GMT
#13
This show was tense and turgid. Engorged and reddened by blood. Mads Millkensin was a German lover, caressing, massaging the scenes of the show; while Mr. Claire Danes had the same energy of a skittish nubile milk maid.

That's my phallic review.
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lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
April 08 2013 01:19 GMT
#14
I watched the pilot episode today and my god i loved it ahah. Mads Milkensin man, just love him so far inthe show. I think im hooked to a new tv show. god cant wait for next week's episode.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
April 08 2013 01:25 GMT
#15
Good show, but I think it moved way too fast. Do we get some new serial killer in every episode now ? Liked the pacing of the killing much more.
somatic
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia34 Posts
April 08 2013 01:39 GMT
#16
aw its not hannibal for king? T_T
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 08 2013 02:17 GMT
#17
I just finished watching the first episode - I thought it was absolutely incredible!
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justinqt
Profile Joined February 2012
United States28 Posts
April 08 2013 07:33 GMT
#18
Really liked it. I hope they don't overdo the "backtrack and re-enact crime scene" kinda thing. Where it goes slow-mo and that beam of like oscillates back and forth while the set backs up so he can re create the crime.

I feel if they keep using it a lot, it'll just get annoying.
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
April 08 2013 07:42 GMT
#19
On April 08 2013 08:49 Hoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

Have you ever watched / read anything Hannibal?

I have watched two of the movies and i knew what was gonna happen. I am not saying this show is bad or anything like that. This is not my type of show, i just couldn't bear watching some scenes.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
April 08 2013 07:53 GMT
#20
On April 08 2013 10:25 Kenpark wrote:
Good show, but I think it moved way too fast. Do we get some new serial killer in every episode now ? Liked the pacing of the killing much more.


Hannibal will most likely be one/the one they are hunting without knowing it. He wants the main character to go full psycho serial killer so he will try to affect him as much as possible.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
April 08 2013 20:46 GMT
#21
i tried to like this and i'll give it a few more episodes, but i feel like it's trying very hard to fill the gap that dexter will be leaving, but they haven't created any likable characters.

The main guy is too weird, and he lacks any human emotion that people can relate to. Hannibal is unlikable because well he's Hannibal and you know he's ultimately a bad guy, and Lawrence Fishburne is just your stereotypical cop.

I feel like they gave up true character development and good writing (letting you fill in the gaps for obvious stuff, and not having them DETAIL EVERYTHING) in exchange for some 'horror' special effect scenes.
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WalkinDead
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
88 Posts
April 08 2013 20:55 GMT
#22
On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

it was pretty gruesome. However, I feel like Dr. Lecter is gonna be like the main genius-gentleman serial killer and hannibal will be helping the feds to get lecter, just my thoughts on where the tv series is going
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
April 08 2013 22:38 GMT
#23
I like it, a lot of subtle and not-so-subtle nods. Favorite part of the first episode has to be + Show Spoiler +
after graham deducts that the killer is eating his victim, we jump to Hannibal eating a nice meal.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 09 2013 02:06 GMT
#24
On April 09 2013 05:46 Kazeyonoma wrote:
i tried to like this and i'll give it a few more episodes, but i feel like it's trying very hard to fill the gap that dexter will be leaving, but they haven't created any likable characters.

The main guy is too weird, and he lacks any human emotion that people can relate to. Hannibal is unlikable because well he's Hannibal and you know he's ultimately a bad guy, and Lawrence Fishburne is just your stereotypical cop.

I feel like they gave up true character development and good writing (letting you fill in the gaps for obvious stuff, and not having them DETAIL EVERYTHING) in exchange for some 'horror' special effect scenes.


That's not fair - it's a freaking pilot episode. Don Draper didn't develop in episode one, neither did Walter White or Tony Soprano. The first episode introduces premise, tone and characters. It's a beautiful show, aesthetically. The colors are deep and it's filmed in a visceral angry way. The premise is at least intriguing, it is Hannibal, after all.

You said you don't like the characters but I think the leads are excellent. Will is twitchy, tormented. Hannibal is cold and magnetic. Their chemistry is good. I do think there's some murder-porno issues but that's just kind of a thing they do. Not my favorite either but I do give them credit for being so....direct on network television.
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TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
April 09 2013 07:33 GMT
#25
This show has got some potential, but for me it's all going to be about if they keep emphasizing these supernatural and unscientific things like the re-living crimes, despite trying to be a rather scientific show.
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
April 09 2013 07:42 GMT
#26
On April 09 2013 16:33 TigerKarl wrote:
This show has got some potential, but for me it's all going to be about if they keep emphasizing these supernatural and unscientific things like the re-living crimes, despite trying to be a rather scientific show.

It doesn't have anything to do with supernatural, it's about overuse of emphaty and lack of psychological stability.
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TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
April 09 2013 07:44 GMT
#27
On April 09 2013 16:42 Aelfric wrote:
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On April 09 2013 16:33 TigerKarl wrote:
This show has got some potential, but for me it's all going to be about if they keep emphasizing these supernatural and unscientific things like the re-living crimes, despite trying to be a rather scientific show.

It doesn't have anything to do with supernatural, it's about overuse of emphaty and lack of psychological stability.

nope
Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
April 09 2013 08:28 GMT
#28
On April 09 2013 16:44 TigerKarl wrote:
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On April 09 2013 16:42 Aelfric wrote:
On April 09 2013 16:33 TigerKarl wrote:
This show has got some potential, but for me it's all going to be about if they keep emphasizing these supernatural and unscientific things like the re-living crimes, despite trying to be a rather scientific show.

It doesn't have anything to do with supernatural, it's about overuse of emphaty and lack of psychological stability.

nope

The reimagining the scene stuff is just a juice to spice up the show and make pilot more desirable.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
April 09 2013 12:06 GMT
#29
On April 09 2013 05:55 WalkinDead wrote:
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On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

it was pretty gruesome. However, I feel like Dr. Lecter is gonna be like the main genius-gentleman serial killer and hannibal will be helping the feds to get lecter, just my thoughts on where the tv series is going


Not sure if i understand u but Hannibal and Dr Lecter = the same guy.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 09 2013 12:16 GMT
#30
On April 09 2013 21:06 unkkz wrote:
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On April 09 2013 05:55 WalkinDead wrote:
On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

it was pretty gruesome. However, I feel like Dr. Lecter is gonna be like the main genius-gentleman serial killer and hannibal will be helping the feds to get lecter, just my thoughts on where the tv series is going


Not sure if i understand u but Hannibal and Dr Lecter = the same guy.


I think that what he meant to say is that Lecter's going to be helping the Feds in the investigation into a serial killer that is actually, secretly himself.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
April 09 2013 12:34 GMT
#31
It will be interesting to see how long they can stretch the story out. It's rather tough to make a compelling long term show when the fate of the main characters has already been resolved in other movies/books. Seems more like a mini-series than a show that could go on for multiple seasons.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17919 Posts
April 09 2013 14:05 GMT
#32
On April 08 2013 08:49 Hoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

Have you ever watched / read anything Hannibal?

Do you know in which episode he will cross the Alps with his elephants?
WalkinDead
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
88 Posts
April 09 2013 14:25 GMT
#33
On April 09 2013 21:16 Praetorial wrote:
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On April 09 2013 21:06 unkkz wrote:
On April 09 2013 05:55 WalkinDead wrote:
On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

it was pretty gruesome. However, I feel like Dr. Lecter is gonna be like the main genius-gentleman serial killer and hannibal will be helping the feds to get lecter, just my thoughts on where the tv series is going


Not sure if i understand u but Hannibal and Dr Lecter = the same guy.


I think that what he meant to say is that Lecter's going to be helping the Feds in the investigation into a serial killer that is actually, secretly himself.

thats what i meant. names never stick with me for the first season xD
xAshCanaaNx
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines150 Posts
April 09 2013 14:40 GMT
#34
I don't watch this show but damn, I wish there was a TV series with Jodie Foster as Clarice Starling and Anthony Hopkins as Lecter
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EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
April 09 2013 15:11 GMT
#35
On April 09 2013 23:40 xAshCanaaNx wrote:
I don't watch this show but damn, I wish there was a TV series with Jodie Foster as Clarice Starling and Anthony Hopkins as Lecter

Mads Mikkelsen is a damn good actor though.
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Tiwo
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands306 Posts
April 09 2013 15:47 GMT
#36
So I watched the Pilot, and it was kinda obvious that Lector was the copycat killer who took the lungs out.


I hope that I'm right with the facts, but the girl before that, the one that put back in her bed as a "apologize". Her liver got pulled out, and put back in because she had cancer by the real serial killed, and was uneatable, does that mean the real serial killer was a cannibal as well?
placebo guy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States42 Posts
April 09 2013 16:37 GMT
#37
Yes, the real serial killer was a cannibal as well. At the beginning of the show, Jack Crawford mentioned that no body parts were found from the victims, thus the assumption is that the serial killer was eating them. Will Graham and most viewers didn't come to this conclusion until they found the actual body of the "Apologized" girl and was conducting the autopsy.

I think the show will feature the capture of Hannibal soon. The show will then be diverted into two story arcs.

-Hannibal as the consultant for the FBI on future serial killer files ala "Buffalo Bill" or "Red Dragon" cases.

-Hannibal tormenting Will Graham into a sociopath and Will's eventual demise via the "Red Dragon" movie.

Season 2 will then feature Clarice Starling.

Hope I'm right.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
April 09 2013 23:29 GMT
#38
On April 10 2013 01:37 placebo guy wrote:I think the show will feature the capture of Hannibal soon. The show will then be diverted into two story arcs.

-Hannibal as the consultant for the FBI on future serial killer files ala "Buffalo Bill" or "Red Dragon" cases.

-Hannibal tormenting Will Graham into a sociopath and Will's eventual demise via the "Red Dragon" movie.

Season 2 will then feature Clarice Starling.

Hope I'm right.
Nah man, I don't think so. There is a whole lot of plot and action they could potentially utilize before that point. What you suggest may happen but I think it would make much more sense as a major game-changer after 2-4 seasons, kind of reinventing the show and turning over a new leaf/giving it a new life. If they go ahead down that road right away then they miss out on a lot of dramatic irony where the viewers can yell at the characters for not realizing the truth sooner. Its a big gap right now that could be filled with a lot of quality story telling. Moments where he narrowly escapes detection, lucks out, or subtly hints through doublespeak to the police that he is a killer.

That first case did seem quit rushed though for there to be such a buildup of months of unsolved killings so who knows.
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
April 09 2013 23:38 GMT
#39
On April 09 2013 11:06 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2013 05:46 Kazeyonoma wrote:
i tried to like this and i'll give it a few more episodes, but i feel like it's trying very hard to fill the gap that dexter will be leaving, but they haven't created any likable characters.

The main guy is too weird, and he lacks any human emotion that people can relate to. Hannibal is unlikable because well he's Hannibal and you know he's ultimately a bad guy, and Lawrence Fishburne is just your stereotypical cop.

I feel like they gave up true character development and good writing (letting you fill in the gaps for obvious stuff, and not having them DETAIL EVERYTHING) in exchange for some 'horror' special effect scenes.


That's not fair - it's a freaking pilot episode. Don Draper didn't develop in episode one, neither did Walter White or Tony Soprano. The first episode introduces premise, tone and characters. It's a beautiful show, aesthetically. The colors are deep and it's filmed in a visceral angry way. The premise is at least intriguing, it is Hannibal, after all.

You said you don't like the characters but I think the leads are excellent. Will is twitchy, tormented. Hannibal is cold and magnetic. Their chemistry is good. I do think there's some murder-porno issues but that's just kind of a thing they do. Not my favorite either but I do give them credit for being so....direct on network television.


Like I said, I'll give it a few more episodes because I know the pilot episodes are always a bit more... dumbed down. So i'm curious to see how they'll take this.

Will being twitchy and tormented isn't a trait that I find interesting. He's almost TOO stereotypical serial killer. Like they went into the psychology books, looked up Serial Killer, and had him study it ad nauseum. Like I said, i find Hannibal cool, and their interesting chemistry will be the driving part of the story to me, but the role being played for Will is just too weird to me, too stereotypical, and he's unlikeable. He's isn't showing his humanity by being a weirdo, he's alienating himself from the viewership more that way. Think of all of the great shows you listed, the main characters were either likeable, respectable, worshippable, or endearing. All of which are things that we can relate to, that boss you hate but wish you could be, that guy who just wants to do right by his family and will make poor decisions to do so. The tough guy who deep down inside just wants whats best for his family (again). I mean if you come out with a show like this you KNOW they're gonna compare it to Dexter, and Dexter had wit, and showed that he at least pretended to act normal around people because he KNEW he was weird, and it was that fakeness that people could attach themselves to, because we ALL act fake.

Will on the other hand, is just weird, he's annoying, he's twitchy, he's in pain, he's that awkward guy that we all work with, but no one likes him because not only is he vastly more intelligent than us, he makes it KNOWN to everyone that he is. no one wants to be friends with that guy.

I hope they do something wiht the characters, especially Fishburne, he deserves more than just being the Cop who is the leash to some twitchy man.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17237 Posts
April 11 2013 03:27 GMT
#40
On April 10 2013 08:38 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Will on the other hand, is just weird, he's annoying, he's twitchy, he's in pain, he's that awkward guy that we all work with, but no one likes him because not only is he vastly more intelligent than us, he makes it KNOWN to everyone that he is. no one wants to be friends with that guy.


That's quite a lot to write about a character after seeing him in one episode. Why were you complaining about him being underdeveloped?

You don't necessarily need to have likeable characters you can relate to in the movies (all of them being bad guys for example). Sometimes it's enough if they're interesting and you turn into someone who's watching it with interest while not being as strongly attached to the characters - you become the observer as the story unfolds in front of you. Personally, I didn't like Will as a person either, but as a character he's got a lot of potential. I consider him a Pandora's Box when it comes to the development.

And to all who are worried about it going into "Red Dragon", well, it's based on the book, says so right at the start of the show. But there are going to be some (hopefully) interesting mindgames going on between Will and Hannibal; Will slowly succumbing to the darkness, desperately trying to fight it (most likely with the help of the psychiatrist girl) and Hannibal silently manipulating him from the shadows all the time.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
April 12 2013 02:47 GMT
#41
So far I'm liking this episode more than the first.
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 17:21:03
April 12 2013 17:16 GMT
#42
Two pretty good episodes so far BUT i hope it doesn't become a we catch a new wierd psychotic badguy every Episode while we set-up the overarching plot with Hannibal too much . Could get dull after a while.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 12 2013 20:31 GMT
#43
...that new guy
+ Show Spoiler +
shot a man in broad daylight??!!!!!!
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 20:39:22
April 12 2013 20:36 GMT
#44
so at what point (in terms of the books) does this series take place? Before Red Dragon or after Silence of the Lambs?

I don't know if Mads Mikkelsen is the right person for the role. He's too stereotypical creepy. It'll be really hard to relate him to Anthony Hopkin's Hannibal.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 12 2013 20:44 GMT
#45
It takes place before Hannibal ever gains recognition as a serial killer, so before both.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
April 12 2013 20:49 GMT
#46
On April 13 2013 05:36 EpiK wrote:
so at what point (in terms of the books) does this series take place? Before Red Dragon or after Silence of the Lambs?


It's set "before" Red Dragon. However, with everything being set ~30 years later, Crawford being black, Lounds being a woman and Will Graham being more eccentric than ever before, I think it's better to view it as a separate universe; this is Ultimate Hannibal.
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Brainsurgeon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden359 Posts
April 12 2013 21:09 GMT
#47
Stammets was a nod to Tom Noonan, right? They look a lot alike and Stammets even wore the same glasses as I have seen Noonan wear. Also, and hold onto your hats, Tom Noonan played Francis Dollarhyde in the original movie about Hannibal Lecter, Manhunter.

Conclusion: Francis Dollarhyde aka Red Dragon will be the final enemy (not counting Mads, of course).
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 12 2013 21:50 GMT
#48
I preferred the second episode to the first, even though it was a very strong pilot. Hope they maintain or exceed this level, assuming it gets picked up for another season.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9494 Posts
April 12 2013 21:55 GMT
#49
I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common.
The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk.
Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 12 2013 21:58 GMT
#50
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common.
The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk.
Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.


This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.

Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?
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Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
April 12 2013 22:03 GMT
#51
On April 13 2013 06:58 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common.
The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk.
Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.


This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.

Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?


Thats the thing with Lecter. You never know. Hes not eating human flesh every time he eats. But somehow it adds suspension to the scenerie. I like it.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9494 Posts
April 12 2013 22:03 GMT
#52
On April 13 2013 06:58 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common.
The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk.
Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.


This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.

Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?


It did happen when they were first analyzing the bodies in the lab.

And yes, it is implied, but not explicit at all.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 12 2013 22:04 GMT
#53
On April 13 2013 06:58 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common.
The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk.
Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.


This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.

Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?

I think it's suppose to be up in the air. I don't think it is human flesh; but similar to the opening of Dexter. That knowing he's a serial killer everything looks far more sinister; such as the sauce on the loin in episode 2.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
April 12 2013 22:06 GMT
#54
As long as this show doesn't devolve into a daily routine of "bad-guy-of-the-day", I'm convinced the story will do well. Understandably, you can't stick with one serial killer for a whole season or two, and I'm all for variety, but if they just filter through serial killers like Scooby Doo does with monsters, it just gets formulaic and we don't get to see the interactions between Graham and Lecter as much, which is the whole basis of the story imo.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 12 2013 22:12 GMT
#55
Criminal Minds have been doing that forever.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 22:26:02
April 12 2013 22:25 GMT
#56
I dont think Will is convincingly autistic, at all. It seems more like an assertion than an actual aspect of his character, doubly so given they continuously hammer home his analytical skills are predicated on empathy. You mean that thing Autistics are suppose to be bad at? Yeahhh...

Otherwise I like the show and the characters, and I think this Hannibal fits the character far better than Anthony Hopkins ever did. The only downside is I find him a bit hard to understand at times. Oh well.
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
April 12 2013 23:45 GMT
#57
On April 13 2013 07:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 06:58 Praetorial wrote:
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote:
I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common.
The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk.
Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.


This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.

Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?

I think it's suppose to be up in the air. I don't think it is human flesh; but similar to the opening of Dexter. That knowing he's a serial killer everything looks far more sinister; such as the sauce on the loin in episode 2.


When he had meal with Crawford my immidiate thought was the annoying journalist he just had a creepy talk ended up on the plate.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17237 Posts
April 13 2013 00:46 GMT
#58
On April 13 2013 07:25 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Otherwise I like the show and the characters, and I think this Hannibal fits the character far better than Anthony Hopkins ever did. The only downside is I find him a bit hard to understand at times. Oh well.


That's what they were going for. English accent you can't put to a specific location. Seeing how Lecter is Lithuanian, most likely schooled in England and with lots of pretty obscure past it makes sense, although I agree that the way Mads is speaking seems a bit slurred, probably due to his "stiff upper lip" (which helps him play all those bad guys devoid of emotion, take Le Chiffre for example).
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Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
April 13 2013 05:11 GMT
#59
On April 13 2013 07:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Criminal Minds have been doing that forever.


I dont know Criminal Minds, but I guess its just a regular murder case every episode kind of show ? That is completely fine with me. But here we have a crazy criminal case every episode with multiple victims. I mean how many cases of serial killers there even have been in lets say the last 5 years in the US ?
I dont know for me it seems rly implausible.
I really really want to like this show, as I very much enjoyed all the Hannibal movies, but if this continues in this pace I´m gonna abondon it.
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1948 Posts
April 13 2013 05:41 GMT
#60
On April 13 2013 07:25 Dazed_Spy wrote:
I dont think Will is convincingly autistic, at all. It seems more like an assertion than an actual aspect of his character, doubly so given they continuously hammer home his analytical skills are predicated on empathy. You mean that thing Autistics are suppose to be bad at? Yeahhh...

Otherwise I like the show and the characters, and I think this Hannibal fits the character far better than Anthony Hopkins ever did. The only downside is I find him a bit hard to understand at times. Oh well.

I don't think Will is supposed to be autistic, he just said that's what he's closest to when the chief asked him a question about his mind. I haven't read the books though, so someone please enlighten me if it is explicit that he is autistic in the books.

Also, yeah sometimes I don't understand what Mads says, but I don't really care cause he's Mads.
Flingoko
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark68 Posts
April 13 2013 06:24 GMT
#61
I love the scene where Hannibal tells Lounds that she´s been a naughty girl and then immediately after we see Jack and Hannibal eating some kind of exotic pork. Are they eating her?!

However I am not really liking the Will Graham guy.
Brainsurgeon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden359 Posts
April 13 2013 06:27 GMT
#62
On April 13 2013 15:24 Flingoko wrote:
I love the scene where Hannibal tells Lounds that she´s been a naughty girl and then immediately after we see Jack and Hannibal eating some kind of exotic pork. Are they eating her?!

However I am not really liking the Will Graham guy.

No, Lounds is to appear in all 13 episodes, according to IMDB.
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Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
April 13 2013 06:42 GMT
#63
Besides the IMDB hint, we saw her that very same episode again, too... She called the police after the fungus guy shot the officer...
Flingoko
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark68 Posts
April 13 2013 07:11 GMT
#64
Yeah, i know. But I was unaware when i saw the scene
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 13 2013 07:18 GMT
#65
On April 13 2013 14:11 Kenpark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 07:12 wei2coolman wrote:
Criminal Minds have been doing that forever.


I dont know Criminal Minds, but I guess its just a regular murder case every episode kind of show ? That is completely fine with me. But here we have a crazy criminal case every episode with multiple victims. I mean how many cases of serial killers there even have been in lets say the last 5 years in the US ?
I dont know for me it seems rly implausible.
I really really want to like this show, as I very much enjoyed all the Hannibal movies, but if this continues in this pace I´m gonna abondon it.

It's about group of fbi agents that deal with catching serial killers/rapists/spree killers/etc.etc., most of the bad guys are usually psychopaths or sociopaths.

There's a real life stat though that estimates that there a lot of active serial killers in america,. Not totally unrealistic, but it definitely dulls the story a bit.
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phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
April 13 2013 07:28 GMT
#66
On April 09 2013 05:46 Kazeyonoma wrote:
i tried to like this and i'll give it a few more episodes, but i feel like it's trying very hard to fill the gap that dexter will be leaving, but they haven't created any likable characters.

The main guy is too weird, and he lacks any human emotion that people can relate to. Hannibal is unlikable because well he's Hannibal and you know he's ultimately a bad guy, and Lawrence Fishburne is just your stereotypical cop.

I feel like they gave up true character development and good writing (letting you fill in the gaps for obvious stuff, and not having them DETAIL EVERYTHING) in exchange for some 'horror' special effect scenes.


That's incredibly curious to me - because I feel that in the first two season (which is all I could force myself to sit through of dexter) they didn't form a single interesting character, let a lone a likeable one.

In contrast, I find Will Graham to be a character that I can..... empathize with. Incredibly well. If the rest of the show continues as the first two episodes have gone, then dexter ought to be thought of as nothing more than a joke that went on way too long.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
April 13 2013 07:48 GMT
#67
Well, seems like they decided to limit the esoteric crime re-living trash to once per episode. I'll give it some more time then. The dialogue writing is occasionally intelligent, but overall lacking. So far it's a 6-7/10. Let's see how it developes.
Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
April 13 2013 08:29 GMT
#68
On April 13 2013 16:11 Flingoko wrote:
Yeah, i know. But I was unaware when i saw the scene


Ah ok, I missinterpreted your post then, sorry .

Well over all till now the series did good in my oppinion. Lets wait and see how the Season turns out. Pinning a series down on 1 or 2 episodes is sometimes not giving a series the justice it deserves. Until now though, and judying by the trailers I think its going to get better in the later episodes.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
April 14 2013 04:06 GMT
#69
On April 13 2013 15:42 Dekker wrote:
Besides the IMDB hint, we saw her that very same episode again, too... She called the police after the fungus guy shot the officer...


Plus she's Lounds. She's not going to die unless Francis Dolarhyde is introduced and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 14 2013 04:09 GMT
#70
On April 14 2013 13:06 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 15:42 Dekker wrote:
Besides the IMDB hint, we saw her that very same episode again, too... She called the police after the fungus guy shot the officer...


Plus she's Lounds. She's not going to die unless Francis Dolarhyde is introduced and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.


Dollarhyde is apparently going to show up in Season 4.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
April 14 2013 04:13 GMT
#71
So if the TV producers are going to bring back Dolarhyde, Buffalo Bill is almost certain, as well as Clarice Starling as a supporting or even a main character (like main POV) if they try to stick with the book canon.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
April 14 2013 04:50 GMT
#72
On April 14 2013 13:09 Praetorial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 13:06 Mindcrime wrote:
On April 13 2013 15:42 Dekker wrote:
Besides the IMDB hint, we saw her that very same episode again, too... She called the police after the fungus guy shot the officer...


Plus she's Lounds. She's not going to die unless Francis Dolarhyde is introduced and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.


Dollarhyde is apparently going to show up in Season 4.


according to whom?
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
April 14 2013 05:00 GMT
#73
On April 14 2013 13:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:
So if the TV producers are going to bring back Dolarhyde, Buffalo Bill is almost certain, as well as Clarice Starling as a supporting or even a main character (like main POV) if they try to stick with the book canon.

that's actually pretty neat. I'd also like to see a young Verger when he was just a patient of Hannibal's, which isn't too inconceivable if they're having the characters you mentioned make appearances.

Just watched the first two episodes. Hannibal's character is just not doing it for me. I mean he's doing everything that's expected of the role but it still just feels a bit stale. I guess it's still a bit early.

Also, Graham is not at all like how I pictured him in the books lol.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
April 14 2013 06:05 GMT
#74
I wish graham was less of a brooding emo pussy, but i love hannibal
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 14 2013 21:13 GMT
#75
Well I finally got a chance to watch the first two episodes and while its certainly an interesting concept and kept me entertained (also WTF is Scott Thompson doing in this show, LOLOLOLOL), it raises questions about the longevity of this show. If this is a 2-3 season affair I can see this being a potentially very good show, but beyond that I'm not sure that they could effectively drag it out and maintain audience interest.
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-14 21:48:58
April 14 2013 21:39 GMT
#76
On April 14 2013 13:06 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 15:42 Dekker wrote:
Besides the IMDB hint, we saw her that very same episode again, too... She called the police after the fungus guy shot the officer...


Plus she's Lounds. She's not going to die unless Francis Dolarhyde is introduced and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.


I'm confused as to why they needed this character to be Freddie/y Lounds . Just to fit in someone that is in the books/movies ? Not to mention Lounds was a guy originally.
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
April 14 2013 23:51 GMT
#77
The acting most of the time was garbage, the characters are total garbage and speak and behave in totally unrealistic ways except of course Mr. Hannibal himself which is the main character really and looked like a worthy succesor of the original portray of Hannibal, (well not really but it's tv, so...) a sophisticated sociopath, he was totally macabre, except the exagerated accent, but whatever. It looked totally fairy talish the way they make assumptions about criminal profiling like how they came to the conclusion that it was a father trying to kill his daughter or whatever, it was totally unreasonable, now I know it's only entertainment but they streched that a way too much, the only real good part of the first episode was the ending, where the guy slices the girl's throat and what happened after that, that was worth the watch.

The many one liners and bad acting before getting there almost sent me to sleep early, the scene in the bathroom where Fishbourne screams "go to the ladies room", or when he meets Hannibal and confuses the Dr. with the patient leaving the room while the real doctor was standing in the door, I don't see how you would not recognize the owner of the office when one is leaving and one is standing by the door saying good bye... or when Fishbourne refers himself as a layman in a rather odd way, w/e, or how they portrait the professor turned detective, he's not supposed to be a pussy from what I remenber of the original movies, which I'm a huge fan of, he seemed like a total pussy while in the movie he was a shady smart dude but with a lot of ballz and imagination and not some nerd professor that seemed to teach art instead of forensics. Ok I have to repeat, the way they portrayed the 'psicological profiling' was the worse, it was total garbage how they made so many unreasonable asumptions, it makes the series dumb and not smart like they try to, they try to portray the characters as super men super smart but it's so unrealistic that I cannot see anyone feeling identified with such hollywoodesque characters, the whole point of Hannibal is that he is this super smart doctor that is sophisticated but likes to eat people but that you would never know if you met him, but you would suspect he's hiding something.
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
April 14 2013 23:59 GMT
#78
On April 15 2013 08:51 Nevermind86 wrote:
The acting most of the time was garbage, the characters are total garbage and speak and behave in totally unrealistic ways except of course Mr. Hannibal himself which is the main character really and looked like a worthy succesor of the original portray of Hannibal, (well not really but it's tv, so...) a sophisticated sociopath, he was totally macabre, except the exagerated accent, but whatever. It looked totally fairy talish the way they make assumptions about criminal profiling like how they came to the conclusion that it was a father trying to kill his daughter or whatever, it was totally unreasonable, now I know it's only entertainment but they streched that a way too much, the only real good part of the first episode was the ending, where the guy slices the girl's throat and what happened after that, that was worth the watch.

The many one liners and bad acting before getting there almost sent me to sleep early, the scene in the bathroom where Fishbourne screams "go to the ladies room", or when he meets Hannibal and confuses the Dr. with the patient leaving the room while the real doctor was standing in the door, I don't see how you would not recognize the owner of the office when one is leaving and one is standing by the door saying good bye... or when Fishbourne refers himself as a layman in a rather odd way, w/e, or how they portrait the professor turned detective, he's not supposed to be a pussy from what I remenber of the original movies, which I'm a huge fan of, he seemed like a total pussy while in the movie he was a shady smart dude but with a lot of ballz and imagination and not some nerd professor that seemed to teach art instead of forensics. Ok I have to repeat, the way they portrayed the 'psicological profiling' was the worse, it was total garbage how they made so many unreasonable asumptions, it makes the series dumb and not smart like they try to, they try to portray the characters as super men super smart but it's so unrealistic that I cannot see anyone feeling identified with such hollywoodesque characters, the whole point of Hannibal is that he is this super smart doctor that is sophisticated but likes to eat people but that you would never know if you met him, but you would suspect he's hiding something.


Well you are being overly harsh tbh. There are a few things that bug me however:

1. The support cast is crap, like i hate all of them and it feels like they have 0 purpose, i´m talking about the FBI team with the asian girl in the lead.
2. Fishburne is immediately overly weirdly friendly with Hannibal, even more so in the later episodes. I get that they want to show Hannibal as someone people somehow are drawn too, but they´re overdoing it.

Other then this you also seem to be rambling and demand a lot more of a show then i would guess from someone complaining a character is "too much of a pussy" and "had a lot of ballz" and so on. It's a TV show, on a TV budget. You won´t get Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal. And the whole point of the re-enactments as people whine about, is to show how he thinks. "Takes one to know one" sort of way, it´s hard to portray thoughts out in the open on film unless you do some inner monologue, they chose to show it instead with imagery. It would be better however if he was wrong sometimes, this would make the point across that this is how he theorizes instead of magically knowing how everything went down as many people interprets these segments.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 15 2013 00:14 GMT
#79
I liked the whole "laymen" part though; it shows much respect hannibal lecter deserves, in terms of his expertise.
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calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
April 15 2013 00:19 GMT
#80
On April 15 2013 09:14 wei2coolman wrote:
I liked the whole "laymen" part though; it shows much respect hannibal lecter deserves, in terms of his expertise.
Respect, yeah, but I feel that there's even more present than that. I interpreted it as Lawrence being modest and using the phrase somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Sort of like he's probing Hannibal to see how he responds to praise. Kind of sizing him up through banter to help him form an opinion. But Hannibal is very aware of the conversation beneath the conversation so the gleaned insight is limited.
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
April 15 2013 00:22 GMT
#81
I agree that the support cast is garbage but Fishbourne he is a really really good actor, so I find it strange that he acts bad but I don't know I haven't see him on his other tv shows, as long as he and the guy that portrays Hannibal bring good acting then the show will be good (if they keep a macabre plot, hopefully).
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
April 15 2013 00:27 GMT
#82
If anything that just shows what level Lecter is at, in terms of everyone else.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17237 Posts
April 15 2013 00:45 GMT
#83
You won´t get Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal.


This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.

Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
April 15 2013 00:53 GMT
#84
On April 15 2013 08:51 Nevermind86 wrote:
or when Fishbourne refers himself as a layman in a rather odd waysomething.

This is a near direct reference to Red Dragon the novel, so it wasn't intended to be a real description of Crawford's thoughts to Lecter. I take it as fanservice to fans of the book.

What I appreciate about Mads playing Lecter is how he actually looks like a person who could be a serial killer, unlike Hopkins who appears more like the kindly grandfather. Mads has a foreboding horror to him, and his accent adds to his European origins at least.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 15 2013 00:54 GMT
#85
I finally watched The Silence of the Lambs yesterday, I think that Hopkins and Mikkelsen are both extremely strong actors, but the difference is that Mikkelsen feels intimidating without necessarily being confined in a cell with bars and constant reminders that he's a deadly killer.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 15 2013 01:01 GMT
#86
On April 15 2013 09:45 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
You won´t get Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal.


This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.

Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.


Are you for real? There's a lot of dumb opinions on this thread (No offense all you wrong people!) But are you seriously comparing Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal positively to Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs?

Really, Mark Wahlberg's portrayal of George Taylor is just so much more honest than Charlton Heston's myopic one-note performance. And he really blew Michael Caine out of the water as Charlie Coker - much more dynamic. Media criticism, ladies.
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vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-15 01:07:02
April 15 2013 01:05 GMT
#87
Sir Anthony Hopkins played an amazing Hannibal and he was creepy as fuck. I love Mads Mikkelsen thou and he does his own very scary and intimidating version quite well, the shows Will Graham is quite likable and awkward too. Looking forward to seeing more of this show.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 15 2013 01:26 GMT
#88
No, I agree. I admire Mikkelsen for even taking the role - even better, he doesn't try to do a Hopkins impersonation. He has is own sort of treacherous charisma. It's very good, but it's not one of the best male performances in ever captured on camera?
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Discarder
Profile Joined July 2012
Philippines411 Posts
April 15 2013 01:46 GMT
#89
Wow! I've been reading the all the books and watching the movies... then, they're running a TV series? That is insane...
I will watch this now..
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24438 Posts
April 15 2013 01:51 GMT
#90
Promising start, I need my fix of serial-killer themed dramas since Dexter became completely ridiculous.
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DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
April 15 2013 13:51 GMT
#91
Watched the first episode yesterday and was kinda disappointed.
I wasnt excited or scared at any point at all. Everything just goes way too fast and doesnt build up any tension.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
April 15 2013 14:05 GMT
#92
On April 15 2013 09:45 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
You won´t get Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal.


This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.

Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.
Whaat is this blasphemy you utter? I think you're probably trolling and you hit the subtlety perfectly, but nevertheless..

Hannibal is Hopkins. Hopkins is Hannibal. That's one of the most iconic performances in modern cinema, and Silence of the Lambs may be the last movie to ever win the big 5. Maybe the movie just didn't age well with you, but there's no way you can tell me you saw it in 1991 and thought he was 'never scary'. That role is objectively measured by any criteria one of the greatest of all time. So it doesn't sit well that you describe Mikkelsen as blowing an S-class actor's undefeated OSL victory out of the water in 2 episodes of TV.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17237 Posts
April 15 2013 15:55 GMT
#93
On April 15 2013 23:05 calgar wrote:
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On April 15 2013 09:45 Manit0u wrote:
You won´t get Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal.


This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.

Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.
Whaat is this blasphemy you utter? I think you're probably trolling and you hit the subtlety perfectly, but nevertheless..

Hannibal is Hopkins. Hopkins is Hannibal. That's one of the most iconic performances in modern cinema, and Silence of the Lambs may be the last movie to ever win the big 5. Maybe the movie just didn't age well with you, but there's no way you can tell me you saw it in 1991 and thought he was 'never scary'. That role is objectively measured by any criteria one of the greatest of all time. So it doesn't sit well that you describe Mikkelsen as blowing an S-class actor's undefeated OSL victory out of the water in 2 episodes of TV.


I'm not talking about performance here. I merely stated that Mads' portrayal of Hannibal is way more fear-inducing than that of Hopkins'.
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AyaaLa
Profile Joined February 2012
Spain629 Posts
April 15 2013 16:00 GMT
#94
I really like this show. I think Mikkelsen fits very well in the role as Hannibal. I think the characters will develop more and more. For me its becomming better and better.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
April 15 2013 16:24 GMT
#95
Finally got the internet back at home, can't wait to watch the first episode when I get outta work!

I do agree that in Hannibal and the remake of Red Dragon that Hopkins was a little hammy at times. In The Silence of the Lambs he absolutely killed it. The first time you see his face... in the book he's described as having a head shaped like an otter's, and that description always stuck with me. And Hopkins looks it in the film.
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Rebornlife
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada224 Posts
April 15 2013 16:56 GMT
#96
Did you know Hopkins doesn't blink once in silence of the lambs?

Also, I think part of what made Hopkins so good as hannibal is that he didn't look evil on his own accord. He looked like any other guy, which to me is "scarier" in the sense you could sit beside him on a bus and not have any hint of a clue that he eats people.

Love Mikkelsen as hannibal though too, he is definitely much more creepy scary.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
April 15 2013 20:24 GMT
#97
Really good impression so far, I absolutely adore Mikkelsen, he has this mystic aura around him, and when he made that redheaded woman sit beside him, he really had you anticipating all sorts of outcome. Such an awesome actor.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
April 16 2013 02:59 GMT
#98
On April 15 2013 10:01 slyboogie wrote:
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On April 15 2013 09:45 Manit0u wrote:
You won´t get Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal.


This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.

Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.


Are you for real? There's a lot of dumb opinions on this thread (No offense all you wrong people!) But are you seriously comparing Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal positively to Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs?

Really, Mark Wahlberg's portrayal of George Taylor is just so much more honest than Charlton Heston's myopic one-note performance. And he really blew Michael Caine out of the water as Charlie Coker - much more dynamic. Media criticism, ladies.
Anthony Hopkins is neither as refined, creepy, or intimidating as the subtlety of Mikkelsens hannibal.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 03:05:32
April 16 2013 03:04 GMT
#99
Comparing the Mikkelsen and Hopkins interpretations of Hannibal is a bit ridiculous. Both have their merits and faults, yet portray both sides of the same character superbly in their own way. Hopkins's portrayal is more disarming and creepy because he doesn't look like a serial killer or even an evil, sociopath in many ways, looking more like a kind grandfather. Mikkelsen has the more sharp tone that accompanies the typical serial killer, and appears more terrifying because he is terrifying. They might conflict, but each actor gives one side of Hannibal that is divorced in the other, and watching both, you get the full impression of who Hannibal really is.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24438 Posts
April 16 2013 03:06 GMT
#100
I love Hopkins portrayal, Mikkelsen's is also pretty good.

What is nice about the TV serial format is that they can really develop how Lecter is perceived by other people. We're seeing already that Fisburne's character is very impressed with this intelligent, erudite fellow, and perhaps how it may at some later stage cloud his judgement as to Hannibal's other proclivities.

The films couldn't have really developed the kind of 'monster within our midst' theme due to both the constraints of the medium, and indeed the source material that they were based on.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
April 16 2013 03:08 GMT
#101
Mikkelsen is so good in this role.
Charismatic, gentlemanly, yet mysterious and dangerous.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
April 19 2013 01:52 GMT
#102
New episode in a few minutes. Plot summary is apparently the Minnesota Shrike's daughter is suspected to be an accomplice in the murders and Graham investigates the allegations. A copycat killer emerges, which causes more issues. Some more stuff with Graham and Lounds, mostly Graham threatening stuff on Lounds.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24438 Posts
April 19 2013 01:56 GMT
#103
Sweet, now I await it being uploaded elsewhere
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Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 03:02:00
April 19 2013 03:01 GMT
#104
I really loved creepy tone of the first scene.

+ Show Spoiler +
I thought it was a good episode until random guy comes in and gets stabbed...a little over the top, but I guess Lector needed to get more heavily involved in conflict. Is Abigail going to be a re-occuring character? or Lector's dinner?
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
April 19 2013 03:04 GMT
#105
I would say this episode ranks just as good as the second one. Was enjoyable seeing the story develop, and the characters show more of their true colors.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
April 19 2013 03:08 GMT
#106
On April 19 2013 12:01 Rotodyne wrote:
I really loved creepy tone of the first scene.

+ Show Spoiler +
I thought it was a good episode until random guy comes in and gets stabbed...a little over the top, but I guess Lector needed to get more heavily involved in conflict. Is Abigail going to be a re-occuring character? or Lector's dinner?

+ Show Spoiler +
I get the feeling that Lector is going to push her more towards being a killer/killing. I could sort of see it in this episode, where he's telling her that she gutted that guy, and that people wouldn't see it as self defense. I think he's going to keep insinuating to her that she isn't normal and that she's subconsciously a killer and become her mentor or something. I think we'll be seeing her more this season.

I'm not sure what's up with the journalist though. I got the feeling that Lector was manipulating her and told her to contact that guy, but then outside the house he's asking her about it like he doesn't know, so it seems sort of weird if that were the case. I don't think he would play that he doesn't know either, it's not like anyone was listening, and doesn't really fit him in my view. So, I'm wondering why she contacted the brother.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 19 2013 06:04 GMT
#107
I believe Kacey Rohl is only signed for 3 episodes, so I think that's the end of that story line. Which is a nice way to end the first arc. I will say that the mushroom pharmacist was clearly a mis-step for the show, clearly a C story masquerading as the A story - but the conclusion was good.

On April 16 2013 12:04 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Comparing the Mikkelsen and Hopkins interpretations of Hannibal is a bit ridiculous. Both have their merits and faults, yet portray both sides of the same character superbly in their own way. Hopkins's portrayal is more disarming and creepy because he doesn't look like a serial killer or even an evil, sociopath in many ways, looking more like a kind grandfather. Mikkelsen has the more sharp tone that accompanies the typical serial killer, and appears more terrifying because he is terrifying. They might conflict, but each actor gives one side of Hannibal that is divorced in the other, and watching both, you get the full impression of who Hannibal really is.


Of course you can compare them, they're actors acting as the same character: Hannibal Lecter. I fail to see how this comparison is ridiculous? Hopkins' performance had no faults except one: he was in the movie for maybe 25 minutes. I'm convinced this hedging of his performance stems from an unfamiliarity of Silence of the Lambs and a blinding respect for Mad Mikkelsen because he's cool. But no, it's not even close - especially after 3 episodes of some network television show.

On April 16 2013 11:59 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Anthony Hopkins is neither as refined, creepy, or intimidating as the subtlety of Mikkelsens hannibal.


What universe is this? Is this the one where Vince Vaughn was the better Norman Bates?
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
April 19 2013 16:09 GMT
#108
Hannibal's actions in episode 3 certainly push the realm of believeable in how much he is risking getting caught with no other apparent motive other than so he can mess with Will's head. Knocking out the other therapist with one blow when he was behind her was such a typical "TV/movie" action to get away with. Risking his secret by not only leaving her as a witness, but getting caught moving the body, and sharing his secret that he was the one who called with the girl all stretched the believeablity to the limit for me. With the girl it's still not 100% clear on whether she was in on her father's killings. The flashback/dreams suggest she was, but then she seemed genuinely freaked out when she found the girl's hair inside the pillows. I wasn't even 100% sure that she butchered the guy she stabbed, or if some how Hannibal had made it in there and altered it when she was out of the room to mess with her mind.
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 17:03:23
April 19 2013 16:16 GMT
#109
On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
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Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

Lungs? You sure that wasn't her liver?

btw this looks like a dumb Dexter ripoff.
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
April 19 2013 16:22 GMT
#110
On April 20 2013 01:16 Dagobert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 21:38 Isualin wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.

Lungs? You sure that wasn't her liver?


They were lungs (or suppose to be), but they looked ridiculously large for human lungs. They probably got them from a pig or cow or something.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 17:21:49
April 19 2013 17:09 GMT
#111
Ok, this episode is kinda stretching the realm of believeability.

I understand that Lecter's a crazy brilliant serial killer, but his ability to just go around murdering people without a trace is getting silly.

Edit: Also, this is totally out of character for Lecter. I mean, the Lecter in the film and books knew and talked with other serial killers and sociopaths, but didn't have any sympathy for them or encourage them to kill in any way that they didn't come up with on their own.

This Lecter is just absurd. It's not even a new take n the character at this point, it's more like they've rewritten him altogether.
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UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 21:40:54
April 19 2013 21:40 GMT
#112
Mikkelsen is a brilliant actor in an otherwise awful show. The new portrayal of aspergers as a superpower like in other TV shows is just silly, and its not even done properly. The red head just walking in on a girl in a psychiatric ward with no one stopping her and then just being all "oh drat, you beat us to her" about it. Also the girl in the cabin, obvious blood coming from the celling, you don't just let a teenager who's just lost her family walk up and see a potential death scene to traumatise her further, if that was real life she could probably sue for severe mal-practice and life changing avoidable trauma. Instead shes just cool with it, you know. And then there the hollywood head hit, always causes temporary blackout, with memory loss of the cause, with no other health problems, first time.
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aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
April 19 2013 23:57 GMT
#113
Well that was a weird episode. I totally understood why Lecter killed Miranda: She said to her mother "Stop being such a bitch" and Lecter is known for killing people he finds rude, also it was clever for him to do it the same way he did with Cassey Hobbs, because he heard Will Graham saying he wouldn't kill in the same way again.

But then, what the fuck ? Guy breaking into the house, got stabbed, and the fuck ensued? It was pointless. If the goal was to Abigail falling into Lecter's grasp, then it should have been in a long, subtle mind game, over at least 3 episodes. This was messy and way too action packed to be really convincing.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
April 20 2013 07:19 GMT
#114
Yeah, basically nothing in that episode had any plausibility to it. I mean obviously we suspend our sense of disbelief but that was over the top. I dont mind Jack, Will, or Hannibal, but the script for that episode was just...ridiculous. And the B characters are bland and entirely forgettable. Who was that asian chick from last episode? I dont even know what her job was, she just popped in and out and I slept through every one of her lines.
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
April 20 2013 07:46 GMT
#115
On April 20 2013 06:40 UdderChaos wrote:
The red head just walking in on a girl in a psychiatric ward with no one stopping her and then just being all "oh drat, you beat us to her" about it.

This is actually the part I hated the most. I was also a little confused as to how they hid the body at the end without a trace with all the cops around.
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aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
April 20 2013 12:42 GMT
#116
On April 20 2013 16:46 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 06:40 UdderChaos wrote:
The red head just walking in on a girl in a psychiatric ward with no one stopping her and then just being all "oh drat, you beat us to her" about it.

This is actually the part I hated the most. I was also a little confused as to how they hid the body at the end without a trace with all the cops around.


Well actually, the murder and the crime scene were at the cabine, whereas the murder of the brother guy was at Hobbes house. It was confusing, it took me time to realize that too.
zbedlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia549 Posts
April 20 2013 13:00 GMT
#117
Watched first two episodes, main character is unbelievably annoying/unlikable.

Good performance by Mikkelsen though. Will watch another few episodes but he is carrying this noob show so hard.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
April 20 2013 13:36 GMT
#118
On April 20 2013 22:00 zbedlam wrote:
Watched first two episodes, main character is unbelievably annoying/unlikable.

Good performance by Mikkelsen though. Will watch another few episodes but he is carrying this noob show so hard.


Agree! I don't like Dancy at all, reminds me of a disturbed spoiled child. Mikkelsen on the other hand is the ideal man for his role.
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Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
April 20 2013 15:17 GMT
#119
For those that have not heard yet:

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/nbc-to-skip-hannibal-episode-in-wake-of-boston-tragedy


I dont know what to think about it, sure its a familiar reaction to such tragedies.
But in the long run it could really hurt the series, seeing as the ratings are okay-ish but not great, on NBC with its history of failing tv shows...

Just quoting the article i linked:

NBC sent five episodes to critics for advance review, but they weren't the first five. Instead, we got episodes 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6, with 4 skipped. And it was clear in watching the fifth episode (and the "Previously, on 'Hannibal'" clips before it) that some notable character and plot arc things had happened in between the hours I'd seen. It's not enough that you'll feel lost in what happens — particularly since the fifth episode is one of the strongest NBC sent — but you'll definitely feel like you're missing out on a few notable beats, particularly in the relationship between Will Graham and Jack Crawford.


Hmm...we'll see i guess. :/
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 20 2013 15:24 GMT
#120
That's it.

Between that and the last episode, this show is headed down the drain, in my opinion.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 15:29:50
April 20 2013 15:28 GMT
#121
I'm enjoying it so far, definitely going to keep watching it if they keep putting it out, only for Mikkelsen though.

I actually quite like it that the other characters kind of suck and he is the only interesting person, it makes it so much better when he is involved.

Main character is kind of annoying though...
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Flingoko
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark68 Posts
April 20 2013 16:36 GMT
#122
On April 21 2013 00:28 Reason wrote:
I'm enjoying it so far, definitely going to keep watching it if they keep putting it out, only for Mikkelsen though.

I actually quite like it that the other characters kind of suck and he is the only interesting person, it makes it so much better when he is involved.

Main character is kind of annoying though...


This exactly^ However, It is so easy to hear Mikkelsens danish accent (I am danish) and that sounds awful sometimes :D Maybe only danish people I guess we are not proud of our terrible english skills
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
April 20 2013 17:13 GMT
#123
I love his accent!
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
April 20 2013 17:45 GMT
#124
Well, there basically killing the show out of fear of some idiot bleeding heart getting in a fuss about it. Great.
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Kontys
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland659 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 18:09:54
April 20 2013 18:02 GMT
#125
Mads Mikkelsen :D

Has to be the greatest villain actor of our time.

Morpheus looks like his bagged a good role too, but I have no idea why they'd put someone in there who, even with a beard, still looks like he'll burst into tears any moment. I know it's his part, but why do you have to make it so unsightly.. he will NOT be able to convince anyone.

I might still check this out for Mikkelsen.

edit: Haven't actually watched a single episode.. Any thoughts on where I can get this? Just NetFlix for outside of the US?
edit2: Probably nowhere.
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
April 21 2013 00:03 GMT
#126
On April 21 2013 03:02 Kontys wrote:
Mads Mikkelsen :D

Has to be the greatest villain actor of our time.

Morpheus looks like his bagged a good role too, but I have no idea why they'd put someone in there who, even with a beard, still looks like he'll burst into tears any moment. I know it's his part, but why do you have to make it so unsightly.. he will NOT be able to convince anyone.

I might still check this out for Mikkelsen.

edit: Haven't actually watched a single episode.. Any thoughts on where I can get this? Just NetFlix for outside of the US?
edit2: Probably nowhere.


here you go:

http://www.dpstream.net/serie-5461.html

The episodes link are on the right. It's subtitled in french though, and you'll probably get limitation unless you have a mixture/ purevideo account.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
April 21 2013 00:44 GMT
#127
So they're like just gonna skip an episode? Just like that? .... what the.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
April 21 2013 00:59 GMT
#128
On April 21 2013 09:44 unkkz wrote:
So they're like just gonna skip an episode? Just like that? .... what the.

Nooo, they can't skip episode 4. I heard it was the bloodiest and most atrocious episode by far in the series.
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 01:04:43
April 21 2013 01:04 GMT
#129
Yeah, it involves children being trained to kill other children.

Personally, I don't see why anyone would be offended by that - it's already a graphic TV show, for heaven's sake.

Edit: Might as well take down Star Wars for the same reason.
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ikan
Profile Joined December 2012
United States34 Posts
April 21 2013 01:21 GMT
#130
the episodes are on nbc.com use adblock and you wont have to watch annoying adds
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Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
April 22 2013 08:32 GMT
#131
Dang, I thought this was a TV show about Hannibal Barca, the great general of Carthage.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
April 25 2013 02:29 GMT
#132
Web series of some of the stuff from the pulled episode 4 is online now:











Apparently the whole episode will be available in some markets outside of the US.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
April 25 2013 14:53 GMT
#133
It's a shame they won't have the whole episode available online in the US. I understand the negative publicity causing it to be cut from network TV, but if you actively search out a show online about serial killers and they have a warning on the page about the possible offensiveness in relation to the Boston bombings, then you went out of your way to ignore the warnings and don't have much room to complain. Anyway at least they put the long term story elements up in the webisode before they skip to episode 5 tonight.
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
April 25 2013 23:24 GMT
#134
Don't eat in front of episode 5. Yep. You've been warned.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-26 03:26:39
April 26 2013 03:21 GMT
#135
That's about 20 minutes must be all the scenes that don't involve the child brainwasher.

Episode 5 is my least favorite episode so far it's still good but the angelmaker was just a vehicle to show us that Will Graham is continuing to lose it.

Mushroom man and angelmaker and Garrett Jacob Hobbs only Hobbs felt like a real character not a device. Probably because he's the only one actually from Red Dragon. A new serial killer every week is too much. The previews for episode 5 definitely set up Hannibal to be the hidden main antagonist for the rest of the season so hopefully no more new psychopath each episode.

But Madds Mikkelsen is playing Dr. Lecter so well. I don't want to gush about it but damn he is doing exactly what I think he should do.

And Morpheus actually acted some in episode 5! Getting real acting out of post-Morpheus Laurence Fishburne, pretty good. It was only for about a minute, but still.

Put the "copycat killer" front and center and a good first half of the season could turn into a great second half. I'd love to see them do a full remake of Red Dragon (a re-remake of Manhunter haha) for TV eventually through this series. Madds Mikkelsen as Hannibal in the cage that'd be cool.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
April 26 2013 04:19 GMT
#136
I like Gina Torres.
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Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
April 26 2013 04:52 GMT
#137
^ <3 Gina Torres. And Fishbourne really impressed me with his emotional acting. Mikkelsen is really fucking nailing is role. He's fucking perfect.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
April 26 2013 05:10 GMT
#138
On April 25 2013 11:29 karazax wrote:
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Web series of some of the stuff from the pulled episode 4 is online now:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UmTxgb9JLU&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ICvNFg6xd0&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdZDRHhzf2c&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4-sabgIpoY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Z8VrVDIqc&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFrAYaPKjwA&feature=player_embedded




Apparently the whole episode will be available in some markets outside of the US.


I read on imdb that it will air in Sweden on Monday. Holding out to watch the fifth episode until then in the hopes that I can watch them both.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
April 26 2013 18:19 GMT
#139
I can't believe they didn't show that episode ... so unbelievably stupid.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
April 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#140
What emotional acting are we talking about for Morpheous? His scream at Will Graham or his heart to heart with his wife? The latter felt really hollow to me, and the former was only like 3 seconds.
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Deleted User 218615
Profile Joined September 2011
163 Posts
April 26 2013 23:40 GMT
#141
Jesus christ, I cant believe they are actually doing this to the show, not showing episode 4 was the biggest mistake they could do.
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
April 27 2013 02:12 GMT
#142
A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.
Interviewer: Many people hate you and would like to see you dead. How does that make you feel? Trevor Goodchild: Those people should get to know me a little better. Then they'd know I don't indulge in feelings.
czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 02:45:34
April 27 2013 02:45 GMT
#143
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote:
A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.


it makes as much sense as dexter.
zbedlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia549 Posts
April 27 2013 04:58 GMT
#144
On April 27 2013 11:45 czylu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote:
A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.


it makes as much sense as dexter.


At least dexter is every season. Only a few of them were geniuses as well.

Also with dexter, the villains are characterized very well, same can't be said for this.

It's a new super serial killer with no background/motive just for the Hannibal circle jerk.
Scootaloo
Profile Joined January 2012
655 Posts
April 27 2013 08:20 GMT
#145
On April 27 2013 13:58 zbedlam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 11:45 czylu wrote:
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote:
A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.


it makes as much sense as dexter.


At least dexter is every season. Only a few of them were geniuses as well.

Also with dexter, the villains are characterized very well, same can't be said for this.

It's a new super serial killer with no background/motive just for the Hannibal circle jerk.


You realize the real villain is Hannibal right? Who's likely to get a lot more characterization then any of the villains from Dexter, not to mention that, despite how much I love old HBO actors (pretty sure the creators watched a lot of Oz), Hannibal has a better cast.

Dexter also had the random serial killers he spends a couple of lines of inner monologue on before killing him to satisfy the whole dark passenger shtick, in that respect the episodic killers from Hannibal actually tend to have more screentime and background.

Mind you I did enjoy Dexter for the first couple seasons, but despite the execellent serial killer of whatever season the Trinity killer was, the staleness of the series soon became an issue, and I don't know if it's the writers failing, me being more naive when I watched the earlier seasons or just a matter of personal taste, but Dexters inner monologue makes no sense to me anymore, all the whining about how hard it is to be him, never showing any progress and constantly emotionally retarded behavior.

Anyway, greatly enjoying Hannibal, it feels fresh, and the acting talent is really what pulls you into what is a very character driven crime series, pretty irked about the missed episode 4, but I believe it will be broadcast on some Asian/American network (NBC Asia or something like that) on the 30th of April, so I as long as you can do some basic googling to find a stream or download, watching it should'nt be difficult.
Mind you I'd be fine with providing a link here when it's released, but I'm fairly sure TL has some policy against that.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 08:32:25
April 27 2013 08:31 GMT
#146
On April 27 2013 17:20 Scootaloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 13:58 zbedlam wrote:
On April 27 2013 11:45 czylu wrote:
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote:
A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.


it makes as much sense as dexter.


At least dexter is every season. Only a few of them were geniuses as well.

Also with dexter, the villains are characterized very well, same can't be said for this.

It's a new super serial killer with no background/motive just for the Hannibal circle jerk.


You realize the real villain is Hannibal right? Who's likely to get a lot more characterization then any of the villains from Dexter, not to mention that, despite how much I love old HBO actors (pretty sure the creators watched a lot of Oz), Hannibal has a better cast.

Dexter also had the random serial killers he spends a couple of lines of inner monologue on before killing him to satisfy the whole dark passenger shtick, in that respect the episodic killers from Hannibal actually tend to have more screentime and background.

Mind you I did enjoy Dexter for the first couple seasons, but despite the execellent serial killer of whatever season the Trinity killer was, the staleness of the series soon became an issue, and I don't know if it's the writers failing, me being more naive when I watched the earlier seasons or just a matter of personal taste, but Dexters inner monologue makes no sense to me anymore, all the whining about how hard it is to be him, never showing any progress and constantly emotionally retarded behavior.

Anyway, greatly enjoying Hannibal, it feels fresh, and the acting talent is really what pulls you into what is a very character driven crime series, pretty irked about the missed episode 4, but I believe it will be broadcast on some Asian/American network (NBC Asia or something like that) on the 30th of April, so I as long as you can do some basic googling to find a stream or download, watching it should'nt be difficult.
Mind you I'd be fine with providing a link here when it's released, but I'm fairly sure TL has some policy against that.


Won't be hard to find.

I think he's wrong too I don't think any of the serial killers except Hannibal have been presented as geniuses. The mushroom man was a pharmacist obsessed with the fungus. Garrett Jacob Hobbs was a welder or something. Angelmaker had a brain tumor maybe.

It's funny that the child brainwasher from the pulled episode does possibly fit the crazed visionary serial killer stereotype. Or, as Will has to say every episode, the brainwasher thinks she's a genius in some way.

Very little has been shown of the investigation into the Hobbs "copycat killer" we all know is Hannibal. That's definitely going to pick up in the second half of the season.
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
April 27 2013 09:50 GMT
#147
I really enjoy this show!
It is pretty macabre, but in a sort of gothic artistic way.
Really neat sets, and good acting.
I do not care if it is unlikely with the serial killers. It works for the series, and is inconsequential.
If you want to you can just assume that they work nationwide and that there is more than a week between every episode.
Problem solved.
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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 27 2013 12:54 GMT
#148
Lol, so from what I understand after watching the 4th episode is that the reason it wasn't aired in the US is because of the doing drugs thing? Way to go America....
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Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-27 14:27:34
April 27 2013 14:24 GMT
#149
On April 27 2013 11:45 czylu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote:
A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.


it makes as much sense as dexter.


The first season of dexter wasn't like that and It was actually decent, the villain was dexter and his brother and that's it, the other people were rather normal people that killed somebody or something but not genius serial killers, I stopped watching dexter because I knew that after season 1 it was going to go downhill and from the bits I've seen I know it went. It was infected with hollywood bullshit after season 1, as far as I know, maybe some episodes are 'fun' but sure are intellectually challenging to watch, considering how unreal they can be, that means they are not worth to rewatch, which says a lot about art.
Interviewer: Many people hate you and would like to see you dead. How does that make you feel? Trevor Goodchild: Those people should get to know me a little better. Then they'd know I don't indulge in feelings.
EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
April 27 2013 15:09 GMT
#150
On April 27 2013 21:54 wo1fwood wrote:
Lol, so from what I understand after watching the 4th episode is that the reason it wasn't aired in the US is because of the doing drugs thing? Way to go America....


where did you go to watch the 4th episode?
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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
April 27 2013 15:50 GMT
#151
On April 28 2013 00:09 EleanorRIgby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2013 21:54 wo1fwood wrote:
Lol, so from what I understand after watching the 4th episode is that the reason it wasn't aired in the US is because of the doing drugs thing? Way to go America....


where did you go to watch the 4th episode?

Oh I guess I didn't see the whole episode then. I watched the online stuff (so I saw parts of it then)
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fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
April 27 2013 19:13 GMT
#152
what a really stupid fucking idea not showing the 4th episode
Scootaloo
Profile Joined January 2012
655 Posts
April 27 2013 19:57 GMT
#153
On April 28 2013 00:50 wo1fwood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2013 00:09 EleanorRIgby wrote:
On April 27 2013 21:54 wo1fwood wrote:
Lol, so from what I understand after watching the 4th episode is that the reason it wasn't aired in the US is because of the doing drugs thing? Way to go America....


where did you go to watch the 4th episode?

Oh I guess I didn't see the whole episode then. I watched the online stuff (so I saw parts of it then)

Well, there's your problem, the web series is episode 4 with 20 minutes cut out so they wouldn't have to show this weeks case, which involved brainwashing children to kill other children.
Not that that has anything to do with the Boston bombings, but when something bad happens in America everybody has to be treated like overemotional babby's?
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 28 2013 16:20 GMT
#154
On April 26 2013 08:24 aXa wrote:
Don't eat in front of episode 5. Yep. You've been warned.

Cannot be worse than ep 2. I'm sitting down to watch it now
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czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
April 28 2013 21:53 GMT
#155
i don't know why people would watch a show about serial killers if they couldn't watch the gore. Honestly, the only thing that makes me squeamish in the show is when hannibal is eating food. All the food they serve is usually peachy in color, and it always seems like it could come from a human
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 01 2013 12:56 GMT
#156
Can't see a reason to why they decided to pull/delay the fourth episode (it might be the least violent/"graphical" one of the five) other than the timing, but then I don't see the logic in why the fifth got aired instead. I just don't get it. :/
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Joxx
Profile Joined June 2011
France82 Posts
May 02 2013 05:24 GMT
#157
The full episode 4 is online on torrent (at least)
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
May 02 2013 05:27 GMT
#158
can't wait for tomorrow night

madds madds madds madds madds

time to take center stage dr. lecter!
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
May 02 2013 14:12 GMT
#159
Man the scene where Hannibal serves food to Chilton and Bloom and he says it's good to have old friends for dinner . It sounded kinda strange to me .Did he just serve the missing trainee to them ? . Turns out he actually was and had parts of her still stored in a freezer somewhere .

I hope this doesn't get dragged out now with too many cases that don't have anything to do with the main story.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
May 02 2013 22:50 GMT
#160
I have to say the latest episode was really good. Looking forward to next weeks episode now
Ske1etonjelly
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
May 03 2013 07:11 GMT
#161
They deny pulling the 4th episode because of the Boston marathon, but I suspect it had to do with the similarity of boy-killers and recent events. It was the right move to make with Hannibal, with lack of known motives for the bombing.

There is no mention of the time span between episodes, or even between scenes, and it's apparent at times that what may appear to be fifteen minutes, due to fast paced scenes, may be as much as a day, especially when travel around the country is involved. Episodes may be months apart.
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
May 04 2013 04:25 GMT
#162
Episode 4 was very very good, a class apart from the rest of the series, I understand though that they had to introduce some situations and people before making this one (Abigail, etc) but this is how the series should have been, that whole mushroom killer guy was pathetic and unnecessary.
Interviewer: Many people hate you and would like to see you dead. How does that make you feel? Trevor Goodchild: Those people should get to know me a little better. Then they'd know I don't indulge in feelings.
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
May 04 2013 07:16 GMT
#163
just finished ep 6 and im LOVING it. the show's really picking up now.

goddamn hannibal is the most fucking awesome villiain ever.
helvete
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden276 Posts
May 04 2013 08:00 GMT
#164
On May 04 2013 16:16 MadProbe wrote:
just finished ep 6 and im LOVING it. the show's really picking up now.

goddamn hannibal is the most fucking awesome villiain ever.

Yeah episode 6 was amazing! Best piece of television in a long while.
Loving Memory
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States70 Posts
May 05 2013 23:18 GMT
#165
Man, the last ad on Hulu spoiled the remainder of the episode. q.q
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24438 Posts
May 07 2013 03:31 GMT
#166
Falling behind, got back to watching 3 and 4.

There are occasional plotholes, or strange things, but wow I love the show's suffocating, almost palpable bleakness that casts a shadow over everything. Atmosphere is rather unlike anything I've seen in quite a while
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
badboymav
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia74 Posts
May 07 2013 13:16 GMT
#167
Im liking it so far... its slow paced but intense... its just so dark ay.. makes dexter look like a comedy lol
Too many idiots, not enough bullets
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
May 08 2013 06:09 GMT
#168
episode 6 was great

the way hannibal subtly - sometimes not so subtly - manipulates everyone around him is brought off very well

and clearly the chesapeake ripper is back
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Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
May 09 2013 15:59 GMT
#169
On May 08 2013 15:09 DeepElemBlues wrote:
episode 6 was great

the way hannibal subtly - sometimes not so subtly - manipulates everyone around him is brought off very well

and clearly the chesapeake ripper is back


He did this even more in episode 7. Great episode again. He even gave us, the viewers, the reason for his killings. Really nice touch to the episode.

"And just to remind you all: Nothing on this table is vegetarian."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 09 2013 19:18 GMT
#170
Great new episode. Loved that feast line he mentioned in the beginning of the episode.
liftlift > tsm
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
May 09 2013 19:21 GMT
#171
On May 10 2013 00:59 Dekker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 15:09 DeepElemBlues wrote:
episode 6 was great

the way hannibal subtly - sometimes not so subtly - manipulates everyone around him is brought off very well

and clearly the chesapeake ripper is back


He did this even more in episode 7. Great episode again. He even gave us, the viewers, the reason for his killings. Really nice touch to the episode.

"And just to remind you all: Nothing on this table is vegetarian."

wat was the reason? I must've ignored that part
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
May 09 2013 19:22 GMT
#172
I'm curious to know if ALL the food he prepares for his guests are actually of human origins.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
May 09 2013 19:27 GMT
#173
On May 10 2013 00:59 Dekker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2013 15:09 DeepElemBlues wrote:
episode 6 was great

the way hannibal subtly - sometimes not so subtly - manipulates everyone around him is brought off very well

and clearly the chesapeake ripper is back


He did this even more in episode 7. Great episode again. He even gave us, the viewers, the reason for his killings. Really nice touch to the episode.

"And just to remind you all: Nothing on this table is vegetarian."


i cant wait for tonight so i can watch episode 7
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
May 09 2013 21:00 GMT
#174
On May 10 2013 04:21 Assault_1 wrote:
wat was the reason? I must've ignored that part


He kills either to protect himself (the Agent Crawford has lost) or to show the world that the persons were unworthy of their organs. He kills people he despises. He tells this to Will pretty close to the end. Well he says it like this: "Maybe the killer wanted ..." but you can tell that is his real reasoning.
Johnny_Vegas
Profile Joined December 2007
United States239 Posts
May 09 2013 21:06 GMT
#175
Thought this show was going to be about the Carthaginian general, now I'm bummed.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 09 2013 21:09 GMT
#176
On May 10 2013 04:22 malcram wrote:
I'm curious to know if ALL the food he prepares for his guests are actually of human origins.

It was implied in previous episodes, but the most recent one definitely straight up showed us.
liftlift > tsm
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 09 2013 21:54 GMT
#177
Latest episode = best so far for me.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 09 2013 23:38 GMT
#178
Well i wonder where the Tobias + stalking patient will lead. Loving the show so far.
Apoptotic
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States137 Posts
May 10 2013 07:51 GMT
#179
I've just finished episode 3, and I agree with the mushroom episode being kind of silly comment, but the rest of what I've seen so far is pretty fantastic. Excited to catch up this weekend.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
May 10 2013 07:59 GMT
#180
Worth watching?
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
May 10 2013 08:11 GMT
#181
On May 10 2013 16:59 thezanursic wrote:
Worth watching?


DAMN RIGHT ITS WORTH WATCHING. God i loved this episode, it was just so damn good! can't wait for more haha
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24438 Posts
May 10 2013 08:13 GMT
#182
A nice cameo from Eddie Izzard, as ever. He appears to be quite a called-upon character actor over stateside, I've seen him in a few things now. Quite enjoy how such a cheerful and gregarious man can play characters at the very opposite of the spectrum pretty well
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
May 10 2013 08:17 GMT
#183
Next week looks awesome! Something about watching hannibal makes me want to stop eating meat
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
May 10 2013 08:18 GMT
#184
On May 10 2013 06:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 04:22 malcram wrote:
I'm curious to know if ALL the food he prepares for his guests are actually of human origins.

It was implied in previous episodes, but the most recent one definitely straight up showed us.


Implied isn't enough! I need to know if Jack, Alana et al. ate human organs. Would be interesting to see their reaction if it is true, coming to grips with it once they find out.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 08:31:01
May 10 2013 08:30 GMT
#185
Actually, I think its implied they havent been eating human. He feeds his human kills in large dinner parties, he evidently hasnt held in a while [i.e the last time the chepasaeka killer struck, or whatever it was].
On May 10 2013 08:38 unkkz wrote:
Well i wonder where the Tobias + stalking patient will lead. Loving the show so far.
I'm kinda thinking hes gonna like...turn him into an obsequious slave and use him to kill someone as a diversion for himself, in the future.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
helvete
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden276 Posts
May 10 2013 11:02 GMT
#186
On May 10 2013 17:30 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Actually, I think its implied they havent been eating human. He feeds his human kills in large dinner parties, he evidently hasnt held in a while [i.e the last time the chepasaeka killer struck, or whatever it was].
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 08:38 unkkz wrote:
Well i wonder where the Tobias + stalking patient will lead. Loving the show so far.
I'm kinda thinking hes gonna like...turn him into an obsequious slave and use him to kill someone as a diversion for himself, in the future.

Nah we've seen Hannibal prepare human meat before. The "Chesapeake ripper" killings are for his dinner parties, or feasts, sure. But the "rabbit" that wasn't fast enough wasn't really a rabbit, and we've seen him prepare the lungs from the Shrike copycat victim (I think).
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
May 11 2013 00:34 GMT
#187
On May 10 2013 20:02 helvete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:30 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Actually, I think its implied they havent been eating human. He feeds his human kills in large dinner parties, he evidently hasnt held in a while [i.e the last time the chepasaeka killer struck, or whatever it was].
On May 10 2013 08:38 unkkz wrote:
Well i wonder where the Tobias + stalking patient will lead. Loving the show so far.
I'm kinda thinking hes gonna like...turn him into an obsequious slave and use him to kill someone as a diversion for himself, in the future.

Nah we've seen Hannibal prepare human meat before. The "Chesapeake ripper" killings are for his dinner parties, or feasts, sure. But the "rabbit" that wasn't fast enough wasn't really a rabbit, and we've seen him prepare the lungs from the Shrike copycat victim (I think).
Ahhh right, forgot about that scene.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Kamedience
Profile Joined January 2011
United States34 Posts
May 11 2013 00:39 GMT
#188
Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.
Hi
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
May 11 2013 00:44 GMT
#189
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote:
Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.


Yea i noticed that aswell
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 11 2013 00:50 GMT
#190
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote:
Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.


It did and it didn't, can't really put my finger on it but it felt like he was indeed thinking of something, but not like he had some form of "OMG HE COULD BE A KILLER" epiphany.
Kamedience
Profile Joined January 2011
United States34 Posts
May 11 2013 00:58 GMT
#191
On May 11 2013 09:50 unkkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote:
Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.


It did and it didn't, can't really put my finger on it but it felt like he was indeed thinking of something, but not like he had some form of "OMG HE COULD BE A KILLER" epiphany.



You have to remember Will has the ability to empathize with others much more than the average person. I don't think he knew from that moment that Hannibal is a killer, but perhaps Will noticed that he felt way too comfortable and calm while his hand was inside of someone.
Hi
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
May 11 2013 01:23 GMT
#192
What was the song Hannibal was listening to during his dinner party? I *know* it I just cant remember the name!
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
May 11 2013 09:15 GMT
#193
On May 11 2013 09:58 Kamedience wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 09:50 unkkz wrote:
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote:
Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.


It did and it didn't, can't really put my finger on it but it felt like he was indeed thinking of something, but not like he had some form of "OMG HE COULD BE A KILLER" epiphany.



You have to remember Will has the ability to empathize with others much more than the average person. I don't think he knew from that moment that Hannibal is a killer, but perhaps Will noticed that he felt way too comfortable and calm while his hand was inside of someone.

I thought it was the way Lecter was looking at Will that had tipped Will off. He's playing games with Will, almost as if to remind Will of the "what do you see?" note or something.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5498 Posts
May 11 2013 09:23 GMT
#194
I personally think Will became suspicious of Lecter the moment Lecter smelled him. He'll probably make a connection of Lecter smelling him with acts of cannibalism next episode.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 11 2013 10:13 GMT
#195
"...I transferred my passion for anatomy into the culinary arts..."

heh heh heh
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24438 Posts
May 11 2013 10:17 GMT
#196
I'd be really intrigued to see how this show would work if we didn't know Hannibal was well, Hannibal :p
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
une_certaine_verve
Profile Joined May 2012
342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 10:34:02
May 11 2013 10:33 GMT
#197
Honest question: Wouldn't people become ill after eating human flesh? Especially Hannibal, who hypothetically consumes it fairly often.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5498 Posts
May 11 2013 10:47 GMT
#198
On May 11 2013 19:33 une_certaine_verve wrote:
Honest question: Wouldn't people become ill after eating human flesh? Especially Hannibal, who hypothetically consumes it fairly often.


Is human meat special in some way?
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
May 11 2013 11:21 GMT
#199
On May 11 2013 19:47 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 19:33 une_certaine_verve wrote:
Honest question: Wouldn't people become ill after eating human flesh? Especially Hannibal, who hypothetically consumes it fairly often.


Is human meat special in some way?


you can get a certain disease (dont know what its called) but its very similar to mad cow disease when you eat human meat
Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
May 11 2013 12:06 GMT
#200
On May 11 2013 20:21 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 19:47 maybenexttime wrote:
On May 11 2013 19:33 une_certaine_verve wrote:
Honest question: Wouldn't people become ill after eating human flesh? Especially Hannibal, who hypothetically consumes it fairly often.


Is human meat special in some way?


you can get a certain disease (dont know what its called) but its very similar to mad cow disease when you eat human meat


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

From what I read eating people who were sick (more specifically eating their brain) caused the disease, but not the consumption of human flesh in general... Kinda like mad cow. You won't catch it from eating a cow.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 11 2013 12:32 GMT
#201
On May 10 2013 17:17 czylu wrote:
Next week looks awesome! Something about watching hannibal makes me want to stop eating meat


And I feel like joining his table. The presentation is just so good.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
May 11 2013 13:28 GMT
#202
On May 11 2013 21:32 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:17 czylu wrote:
Next week looks awesome! Something about watching hannibal makes me want to stop eating meat


And I feel like joining his table. The presentation is just so good.


Me too, the presentation is so damn good, it makes me want to learn to cook like that and bring some girls in like that hot psiquiatrist that wants to fuck Hannibal's brains out.
Interviewer: Many people hate you and would like to see you dead. How does that make you feel? Trevor Goodchild: Those people should get to know me a little better. Then they'd know I don't indulge in feelings.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
May 12 2013 01:34 GMT
#203
On May 11 2013 09:50 unkkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote:
Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.


It did and it didn't, can't really put my finger on it but it felt like he was indeed thinking of something, but not like he had some form of "OMG HE COULD BE A KILLER" epiphany.


I think it was just that Hannibal was a skilled surgeon and he knows the shrike has the same skills, nothing beyond that just yet.
OMG you nasty gurl
teapot
Profile Joined October 2007
United Kingdom266 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 23:20:01
May 15 2013 23:19 GMT
#204
Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.

Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3

Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...

Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 15 2013 23:25 GMT
#205
Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.

PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
May 16 2013 02:47 GMT
#206
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.

PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.


That's too bad TRD it's really good!

Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 16 2013 03:00 GMT
#207
On May 16 2013 11:47 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.

PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.


That's too bad TRD it's really good!

Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...

Maybe I will try and stick out another episode or two and see if there is an underlying theme compelling enough to make me stick around. I just generally am not a fan of excessively creative and gross things (I cant stand the saw series).
Rebornlife
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada224 Posts
May 16 2013 03:11 GMT
#208
On May 16 2013 08:19 teapot wrote:
Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.

Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3

Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...

Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.



You just compared Silence of the Lambs to Twilight?
Get. Out. Now.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 04:06:36
May 16 2013 04:05 GMT
#209
Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3


This is exactly the way the books portray Hannibal before and his after his imprisonment.

Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...


The series is named Hannibal, not FBI Behavioral Science.

Doubt anything will happen to Dr. Bloom this season and I really doubt she'll be killed off. Might be kidnapped someday for sure.

Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.


Hannibal is not torture porn.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
May 16 2013 06:35 GMT
#210
turns out + Show Spoiler +
tobias has some sick ninja skills
Ske1etonjelly
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
May 16 2013 06:51 GMT
#211
Not rly, but holy shit that was a good episode!

+ Show Spoiler +
It seems to me Hannibal has a very intense moral code about who he is comfortable in murdering. Also note that yearning gleam in his eyes for Will's friendship.


Very intense, and the music was kicked up a notch. I couldn't sit still watching it.
teapot
Profile Joined October 2007
United Kingdom266 Posts
May 16 2013 07:28 GMT
#212
On May 16 2013 12:11 Rebornlife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 08:19 teapot wrote:
Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.

Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3

Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...

Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.



You just compared Silence of the Lambs to Twilight?
Get. Out. Now.


Reading comprehension? I compared 50 Shades of Grey to Twilight. Learn to read, please.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
May 16 2013 08:48 GMT
#213
On May 16 2013 16:28 teapot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 12:11 Rebornlife wrote:
On May 16 2013 08:19 teapot wrote:
Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.

Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3

Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...

Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.



You just compared Silence of the Lambs to Twilight?
Get. Out. Now.


Reading comprehension? I compared 50 Shades of Grey to Twilight. Learn to read, please.


To his defense i don't quite get your comparison either.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
May 16 2013 10:07 GMT
#214
On May 16 2013 15:35 malcram wrote:
turns out + Show Spoiler +
tobias has some sick ninja skills

I actually burst out laughing when I saw him swing that weapon lol. I also wasn't expecting a full on fight, it was refreshing to see.
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Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
May 16 2013 14:02 GMT
#215
On May 16 2013 12:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 11:47 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.

PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.


That's too bad TRD it's really good!

Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...

Maybe I will try and stick out another episode or two and see if there is an underlying theme compelling enough to make me stick around. I just generally am not a fan of excessively creative and gross things (I cant stand the saw series).

Um, it's a show about the most famous fictitious cannibal. Of course there will be gross things. Spleens, intestines, lungs....

Stick with it, turn away and hug your teddy bear during the gross scenes. The latest episode was kinda funny - Hannibal was oh so deliciously naughty.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 16 2013 17:46 GMT
#216
On May 16 2013 23:02 Elurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 12:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On May 16 2013 11:47 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.

PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.


That's too bad TRD it's really good!

Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...

Maybe I will try and stick out another episode or two and see if there is an underlying theme compelling enough to make me stick around. I just generally am not a fan of excessively creative and gross things (I cant stand the saw series).

Um, it's a show about the most famous fictitious cannibal. Of course there will be gross things. Spleens, intestines, lungs....

Stick with it, turn away and hug your teddy bear during the gross scenes. The latest episode was kinda funny - Hannibal was oh so deliciously naughty.

Um, I enjoyed Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon, and Hannibal was alright. It isnt the gross things necessarily, it is the concept and idea behind some things that gets me.
Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
May 16 2013 18:03 GMT
#217
On May 17 2013 02:46 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 23:02 Elurie wrote:
On May 16 2013 12:00 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On May 16 2013 11:47 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.

PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.


That's too bad TRD it's really good!

Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...

Maybe I will try and stick out another episode or two and see if there is an underlying theme compelling enough to make me stick around. I just generally am not a fan of excessively creative and gross things (I cant stand the saw series).

Um, it's a show about the most famous fictitious cannibal. Of course there will be gross things. Spleens, intestines, lungs....

Stick with it, turn away and hug your teddy bear during the gross scenes. The latest episode was kinda funny - Hannibal was oh so deliciously naughty.

Um, I enjoyed Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon, and Hannibal was alright. It isnt the gross things necessarily, it is the concept and idea behind some things that gets me.


The gore is starting to take less of a first place, you should try to stick to it cuz there's some really interesting arcs.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 07:24:51
May 17 2013 07:24 GMT
#218
Wow just saw ep6, Hannibal is such an amazing show so far. But this episode raised a few questions : didn't Hannibal took huge risk killing/abducting Miriam Lass ?
She said that she was with the FBI, what if she had written down/told someone where she was going ? (I guess she didn't since it happened a long time ago).
Another question is why no one followed her leads ? No one wondered why she was abducted ? They didn't think she discovered the killer ? She clearly said to Crawford that she was investigating on the doctors who took care of the Chesapeake Ripper victims.
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
May 17 2013 08:32 GMT
#219
On May 17 2013 16:24 Lylat wrote:
didn't Hannibal took huge risk killing/abducting Miriam Lass ?
She said that she was with the FBI, what if she had written down/told someone where she was going ? (I guess she didn't since it happened a long time ago).
Another question is why no one followed her leads ? No one wondered why she was abducted ? They didn't think she discovered the killer ? She clearly said to Crawford that she was investigating on the doctors who took care of the Chesapeake Ripper victims.


Well of course he took a risk, but what was the other option? She already figured out it was him - he did not have another option.

About following her leads: Didnt Crawford tell her that that her evidence wouldnt hold, and therefore she cant do it in official FBI-capacity. I guess that wouldve been why she didnt keep any records of her suspicions.

Sure somebody could still make the connenction between his time as a ER-doctor and this one victim, but maybe ER-duty on a single night which coincides remotely with one victim already was a stretch for Lass (she didnt seem particular suspicious in that scene in his office right until the point where she found those sketches with the exact wound-pattern) so someone else would not find the clue about him in the ER that night.
"Eyo lesson' here, Bey. You're comin' at the king, you best not miss."
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-18 02:49:03
May 17 2013 20:43 GMT
#220
I've known a few dudes like the short fat guy that got his neck snapped, those annoying people always trying to be everybody's friends and always insecure and bragging about material things they have like if for those things one would be their friends, I've always wanted to snap their necks too, it felt pretty good seeing Hannibal do it.

What I dislike about this series though is, how many serial killers can be at Baltimore at the same time? Oh come on, it would have been so much better if they at least said the dudes were in a different city, oh well Hollywood.
Interviewer: Many people hate you and would like to see you dead. How does that make you feel? Trevor Goodchild: Those people should get to know me a little better. Then they'd know I don't indulge in feelings.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
May 18 2013 08:09 GMT
#221
I watched the first 4 episodes and I'm kind of disappointed.

First of Hannibal isn't even trying to be smart in his manipulation (Every averagely intelligent individual would notice that something is wrong and that he is probably trying to manipulate him in whatever way and for whichever reason)

Secondly the show doesn't even try to be scientific and accurate to criminal profiling

And lastly I really don't see either of the main characters as being intellectuals making so many counterintuitive decisions.

I'll probably keep watching though because I'm extremely lazy.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 09:53:41
May 19 2013 09:53 GMT
#222
hannibal: Did you take responsibility, when you were attacked by your patient?

his psychiatrist: Yes, but I don't take responsibility for his death.

*pause*

hannibal: Nor should you.

heh heh heh

can't wait for ep 9
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-19 10:11:21
May 19 2013 10:10 GMT
#223
On May 11 2013 21:06 levelnoobz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 20:21 Pulimuli wrote:
On May 11 2013 19:47 maybenexttime wrote:
On May 11 2013 19:33 une_certaine_verve wrote:
Honest question: Wouldn't people become ill after eating human flesh? Especially Hannibal, who hypothetically consumes it fairly often.


Is human meat special in some way?


you can get a certain disease (dont know what its called) but its very similar to mad cow disease when you eat human meat


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

From what I read eating people who were sick (more specifically eating their brain) caused the disease, but not the consumption of human flesh in general... Kinda like mad cow. You won't catch it from eating a cow.

Kuru is mostly from eating human brains; similar prion disease such as vCJD (mad cow~human variant) can be gotten from consuming a cow who's had BSE (mad cow).

Also; the fight scene between tobias and hannibal. Really enjoyed the audio track they had during the fight scene. It created a very heightened tension.
liftlift > tsm
Xahhk
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada540 Posts
May 19 2013 10:12 GMT
#224
On May 16 2013 08:19 teapot wrote:
Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.

Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3

Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...

Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.


You must be a fucking sheltered fairy to call it Torture porn.
czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
May 19 2013 10:14 GMT
#225
On May 18 2013 05:43 Nevermind86 wrote:
I've known a few dudes like the short fat guy that got his neck snapped, those annoying people always trying to be everybody's friends and always insecure and bragging about material things they have like if for those things one would be their friends, I've always wanted to snap their necks too, it felt pretty good seeing Hannibal do it.

What I dislike about this series though is, how many serial killers can be at Baltimore at the same time? Oh come on, it would have been so much better if they at least said the dudes were in a different city, oh well Hollywood.


doesn't baltimore have the 2nd highest murder rate in the US?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 19 2013 10:14 GMT
#226
I don't even get how its considered torture porn? We actually don't see any torture... We just see the results of the killings; but not really the killing.

I've really been enjoying Mads portrayal of Hannibal. Also supposedly he does all the cutting cutscenes for the food prep. Pretty legit stuff.
liftlift > tsm
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
May 22 2013 17:00 GMT
#227
Damn he has much time on his hands to be able to cook all that food, not to mention he is getting the ingredients in a very difficult way. I hate making sausage, cause it means more stuff to wash, while Hannibals kitchen is incredible clean at all times, while I see him having a spoon of some sort of sausage too just top his desert with.
Wish making food was as gloriously easy. Im sitting watching WCS, and I ponder wheter I should spend 5 minutes making a simple burger ..

Still pretty decent show
fartosis77
Profile Joined February 2013
Belgium461 Posts
May 22 2013 17:08 GMT
#228
Preparation my friend. All there is to it. And finesse combined with technique. Bon apetit.
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
May 22 2013 17:13 GMT
#229
By the looks of things I'll have to give Hannibal a try. Sometimes I like gory stuff.
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Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
May 22 2013 19:15 GMT
#230
Episode after episode, this show hits the highest highs and the lowest lows. Hannibal's relationship with pretty much every relevant character is absolutely amazing ('cept for the cancer stuff, out of nowhere (as much a s I like Gina Torres)), but my god can it become ridiculous. The "mind if I kill you ?" "Pray go ahead" stuff with Tobias was specially annoying, the serial killers, and this fucking supporting cast.
Could have been an amazing show. Just decent ):
Ske1etonjelly
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
May 23 2013 04:27 GMT
#231
Gina Torres is an average actor. Nothing on the supporting/starring cast. Tobias and Hannibal were talking to each other like psychopaths feeling each other out. Because psychopathy is a mental disorder and they are both lunatics who deal with being human, they still want friendship.

I could agree that the editing/effects can be overplayed, but since I think suppressed pain will definitely manifest itself physically, I find the psychological aspects of the show fascinating. I like how it doesn't waste any time in procedural aspects, but the show could do with a little more exposition. It's very cerebral and enjoyable for what it is, but it might find more than just a niche market if it did more tell and less show. Personally, I hope it does well the way it is now, and I'm hesitant to criticize it.
Discarder
Profile Joined July 2012
Philippines411 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 08:09:59
May 24 2013 08:09 GMT
#232
After episode 5, I can see myself disappointed. They reduced it to a typical serial killer/hero per episode action format. Something like Dexter or Criminal Minds. I'm not saying the latter is bad (both are good). What I'm trying to say is, the Hannibal Series cannot move this way. We need more clever forensic evidence, longer serial killer periods
I have read all the Hannibal books by Thomas Harris so maybe I have high expectations.

TLDR: (why i dont like it)
1. New Serial Killers in every episode. caught or killed, and then there's a new one.
2. Nonsense and boring side-scenes (like Jack Crawford's wife having cancer or Will Graham's personal struggles)
3. Most actors chosen for each of the characters are very wrong based on the books.

It feels like the one who made these series just read 'Red Dragon' and not the other books.

I wanted them to focus on Hannibal POV, not Will Grahams POV. This story will be hard to expand as well.

I want to see early episodes with Margot and Mason Verger. Some rude or incompetent people that Dr. Lecter meets. I want this show to focus on Hannibal.
You can take the lion out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the lion
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
May 24 2013 16:51 GMT
#233
God I wish I didnt watch the preview for the next episode :E

SPOILER ALERT in a mega way wtf
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 20:17:07
May 24 2013 20:11 GMT
#234
I don't like the + Show Spoiler +
obelisk of bodies
in episode 9, but I'm loving the Abigail Hobbs storyline. I can't believe how subtly but very powerfully Hannibal is manipulating Will, it's awesome (not for Will of course).

Watching Mikkelsen playing Hannibal out of the cage is something else. He is caring and sympathetic and really helps people, but only as long as doing so is unconnected to his agenda or is a part of it. And you can tell he is having so much fun, getting so much pleasure, doing it and being the only one who knows what is truly going on. His mask is almost perfect.

Good writing and great acting = great television. It's hard to get both in one show consistently. Hannibal doesn't have the best writing but it's pretty good and the actors don't drop the ball.

EDIT: OMG THAT PREVIEW
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
May 24 2013 20:24 GMT
#235
what was spoiled in the ep preview? I don't get it.
helvete
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden276 Posts
May 24 2013 20:30 GMT
#236
On May 25 2013 05:24 czylu wrote:
what was spoiled in the ep preview? I don't get it.

You've got to be kidding me.. don't ask for spoilers for dog's sake! If someone wants to answer this guy then please do so in a pm.
Jago
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland390 Posts
May 24 2013 21:38 GMT
#237
The past 2 episodes have been absolutely amazing, but wtf is going on with that absolutely MASSIVE spoiler in the preview for next week's episode?
Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
May 24 2013 21:38 GMT
#238
On May 25 2013 05:11 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I don't like the + Show Spoiler +
obelisk of bodies
in episode 9, but I'm loving the Abigail Hobbs storyline. I can't believe how subtly but very powerfully Hannibal is manipulating Will, it's awesome (not for Will of course).

Watching Mikkelsen playing Hannibal out of the cage is something else. He is caring and sympathetic and really helps people, but only as long as doing so is unconnected to his agenda or is a part of it. And you can tell he is having so much fun, getting so much pleasure, doing it and being the only one who knows what is truly going on. His mask is almost perfect.

Good writing and great acting = great television. It's hard to get both in one show consistently. Hannibal doesn't have the best writing but it's pretty good and the actors don't drop the ball.

EDIT: OMG THAT PREVIEW


Actually the writing is good, but the director seems to have this idea that making something overly slow will make it look smarter.
Horrible pacing of good dialogue.

And point goes to the old dude for being the most anecdotical serial killer of all the episodes so far. Please just drop this already and focus the show on the interesting characters.

Hannibal is getting better and better. Seeing the plot center more and more around him feels good, since he's the only really multifaceted character of the show.
eburnsdaniel
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom69 Posts
May 24 2013 22:03 GMT
#239
I'm rather enjoying Hannibal. It's teetering between being really good or quite bad. It can go either way. I really dislike Will. Not the actor, just the character. I thought he was going to be interesting because he was supposed to be 'to the autistic side of the spectrum' and that sort of character is rare on tv. Having a brain with poor social skills who grows to admire the killer he's trying to capture is an interesting line. Instead he is some super empathetic dude who is quite emotional. He's not someone I can relate.
czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
May 25 2013 02:07 GMT
#240
On May 25 2013 05:30 helvete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 05:24 czylu wrote:
what was spoiled in the ep preview? I don't get it.

You've got to be kidding me.. don't ask for spoilers for dog's sake! If someone wants to answer this guy then please do so in a pm.


i only ask b/c i dont think anything was spoiled.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
May 25 2013 02:11 GMT
#241
hannibal's actor being so great is what is keeping me watching hes carrying the show on his back
OMG you nasty gurl
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
May 25 2013 21:41 GMT
#242
Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 26 2013 11:18 GMT
#243
On May 26 2013 06:41 Lylat wrote:
Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?

Yes! It's these subtle little things that I think a lot of people don't notice.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
mechengineer123
Profile Joined March 2013
Ukraine711 Posts
May 26 2013 12:23 GMT
#244
Loving this show. Mads Mikkelsen (Hannibal) is so good, nails every scene. Will is a bit too awkward for my liking. I know they did this on purpose because he's supposed to be unstable and weird, but still, it's too much imo.
czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
May 26 2013 12:35 GMT
#245
On May 26 2013 20:18 Reason wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 06:41 Lylat wrote:
Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?

Yes! It's these subtle little things that I think a lot of people don't notice.


i think it was less her reacting to the meat, and more reacting towards her realization that will knows.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 26 2013 15:17 GMT
#246
On May 26 2013 21:35 czylu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 20:18 Reason wrote:
On May 26 2013 06:41 Lylat wrote:
Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?

Yes! It's these subtle little things that I think a lot of people don't notice.


i think it was less her reacting to the meat, and more reacting towards her realization that will knows.

I don't think that was the moment of realisation, was it?
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
Kazzoo
Profile Joined October 2010
France368 Posts
May 26 2013 16:27 GMT
#247
Might be half consciously what led her to + Show Spoiler +
tell him she helped her dad
.
She realizes he's like her, so she knows she can tell him.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 20:20:03
May 26 2013 20:09 GMT
#248
On May 27 2013 00:17 Reason wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 21:35 czylu wrote:
On May 26 2013 20:18 Reason wrote:
On May 26 2013 06:41 Lylat wrote:
Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?

Yes! It's these subtle little things that I think a lot of people don't notice.


i think it was less her reacting to the meat, and more reacting towards her realization that will knows.

I don't think that was the moment of realisation, was it?


Firstly the look Will gives her makes her realize he knows after Freddie was just talking about everyone has something to hide. Then right after she tastes the meat and her eyes get really big and she looks at Hannibal because she knows it's people.
OMG you nasty gurl
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
May 26 2013 20:21 GMT
#249
shame that the show might not get a second season seeing how the ratings currently are.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 26 2013 23:57 GMT
#250
nooooo

Then again...I'd actually be really happy with this done in 1 season, maybe 16 episodes-ish.

It's not the type of progam that should run on for seasons and seasons imo, I like the story but I feel it would benefit from being short and sweet.

Sometimes I watch a new program and it seems awesome but they want to make more money and just keep dragging it out and out, they lose focus of the original thing and it's sort of insulting, it would be nice if they stopped milking shows that are successful and instead make them as good as possible then conclude them before they become tired.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
May 27 2013 09:21 GMT
#251
Mads Mikkelsen is the only reason I watch this show. Damn he's cool.
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
Silencioseu
Profile Joined June 2011
Cyprus493 Posts
May 27 2013 10:14 GMT
#252
Hannibal would be awesome if it was something more like Death Note
i kno i r badass no need to repeat
PSdualwielder
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada77 Posts
May 27 2013 10:36 GMT
#253
I'm really enjoying the show. It's nice to see something as graphic as the killings once in a while, yeah there's no way to read this without sounding weird but whatever. The way they're presenting the criminal psychology is really out there sometimes, but at least they're trying. Will's interpretations sometimes just sounds like a bunch of baseless assumptions.

Hannibal Lector is played so well I just can't get enough of this guy. The only complaint I can make though is the way he's going with this, if I was someone who didn't know jack about the character I could tell he will surely get caught.
bnet: POKE
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 11:16:04
May 27 2013 11:15 GMT
#254
On May 27 2013 19:36 PSdualwielder wrote:
I'm really enjoying the show. It's nice to see something as graphic as the killings once in a while, yeah there's no way to read this without sounding weird but whatever. The way they're presenting the criminal psychology is really out there sometimes, but at least they're trying. Will's interpretations sometimes just sounds like a bunch of baseless assumptions.

Hannibal Lector is played so well I just can't get enough of this guy. The only complaint I can make though is the way he's going with this, if I was someone who didn't know jack about the character I could tell he will surely get caught.


I don't remember the previous films (though I think at one point or another) I've seen all of them, I'm treating this as a fresh experience and technically someone who doesn't know jack about the character.

I hope the series is as good for those of you who have an image of him in your heads.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
harrystefanou
Profile Joined April 2013
India3 Posts
May 27 2013 12:00 GMT
#255
Recently Released Hannibal show is too awesome,,Have watched first five episode tomorrow @ http://motionempire.me/Browse_TV-Shows__Hannibal__80500.html Now I'm start to watch 6 episode of first season!!
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 27 2013 12:49 GMT
#256
Lol is that advertising :D?
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
Apolo
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal1259 Posts
May 27 2013 19:36 GMT
#257
On May 25 2013 11:11 Kuja900 wrote:
hannibal's actor being so great is what is keeping me watching hes carrying the show on his back


This. Mads Mikkelsen is for me the one making this show worth it.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17919 Posts
May 27 2013 19:48 GMT
#258
Mads Mikkelsen is amazing, but the plot is terrible and the rest of the actors either don't have convincing characters, or are just not interesting at all. Lawrence Fishburn got the worst of the bunch: his character is both uninteresting AND unconvincing.

Also, the number of serial killers running around the Baltimore area is retarded.
fartosis77
Profile Joined February 2013
Belgium461 Posts
May 27 2013 20:12 GMT
#259
On May 28 2013 04:48 Acrofales wrote:
Also, the number of serial killers running around the Baltimore area is retarded.

Haha, this indeedilydo. What the fuck are writers thinking you wonder! Anyway, Mads 4 president. Still enjoy it although it has become less and less in my opinion.
IM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 27 2013 20:17 GMT
#260
Eh, that's nothing. Ever watched Midsomer Murders? :D
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
fartosis77
Profile Joined February 2013
Belgium461 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-27 20:22:58
May 27 2013 20:21 GMT
#261
On May 28 2013 05:17 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Eh, that's nothing. Ever watched Midsomer Murders? :D

I did actually. Holy shit that serie is soooooooooooooooo incredibly sloooooooooooooooow it makes me want to cut my eyes out xD And yeah the entire village murdered another person ~~

I like the new scandinavian uprising quite a lot actually. Beck, Winter, Wallander, Varg Veum and ofcourse Forbrydelsen, Broen and others. Nothing beats Luther (and to a certain extend White Chapel) though. What an awesome serie, though short, that is!
IM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17237 Posts
May 28 2013 23:52 GMT
#262
On May 28 2013 05:12 fartosis77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2013 04:48 Acrofales wrote:
Also, the number of serial killers running around the Baltimore area is retarded.

Haha, this indeedilydo. What the fuck are writers thinking you wonder! Anyway, Mads 4 president. Still enjoy it although it has become less and less in my opinion.


It's to get more people watching the show. They could very well made it just talk, everything played out in the same room for the entire season with Will telling Hannibal about his work etc. but I doubt many people would actually watch it. As it is the show can gather more audience and get a chance of surviving until the end of the season in commercial television, unlike Firefly.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
May 29 2013 00:41 GMT
#263
On May 27 2013 01:27 levelnoobz wrote:
Might be half consciously what led her to + Show Spoiler +
tell him she helped her dad
.
She realizes he's like her, so she knows she can tell him.


ooooooh shit maybe! when she told him, he said "i was wondering when you'd tell me". maybe she told him now cuz she realizes he's a killer too. good insight i totally missed that.

this is my fav show atm. hannibal is just so badass.
czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
May 30 2013 23:36 GMT
#264
woohoo, hannibal just got renewed :D Thank god, nbc did something right!
http://rewired.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/nbc-renews-hannibal-second-season-560787
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
May 31 2013 03:02 GMT
#265
I liked this episode, the scenes with the jaundiced girl were extremely creepy. And I didn't expect that Hannibal cut his colleagues face open
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 31 2013 04:31 GMT
#266
I think Hugh Dancy's performance is a bit too much for this show. This is ultimately a network procedural and Will has too much nuance. The show also has not alleviated my murder porn fears. Also not a huge fan of the encephalitis story line. But I'll still probably end up watching every single episode because it's a good show.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
May 31 2013 06:43 GMT
#267
On May 31 2013 08:36 czylu wrote:
woohoo, hannibal just got renewed :D Thank god, nbc did something right!
http://rewired.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/nbc-renews-hannibal-second-season-560787


praise be to nbc execs. even though their ratings suck at least they choose to go with the good shows.

yay!!! now i can watch the show without worrying about being too attached and having it end abruptly (for now anyways)
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
May 31 2013 07:12 GMT
#268
I guess I'll have to check it out now. Lots of good reviews from TL.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
June 01 2013 04:39 GMT
#269
Holy crap, this episode was so scary. + Show Spoiler +
When she was under Will's bed
I pretty much screamed and flipped out. More and more things are being unveiled. + Show Spoiler +
Btw why did Hannibal have to kill his fellow colleague?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 01 2013 04:45 GMT
#270
On June 01 2013 13:39 lethal111 wrote:
Holy crap, this episode was so scary. + Show Spoiler +
When she was under Will's bed
I pretty much screamed and flipped out. More and more things are being unveiled. + Show Spoiler +
Btw why did Hannibal have to kill his fellow colleague?


+ Show Spoiler +
He is a liability since he knows the truth about Will's condition. If Will kept pressing him then he will figure out eventually.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 05:46:27
June 01 2013 05:39 GMT
#271
This series is a diamond in the mud, people will quickly forget it unlike Dinasty or some blockbuster trash but it's movie-like quality is unmatched, unless of course you go back to Twilight Zone or Alfred Hitchcock sort of thing, and even then I like this one more. It's really really really good, it's artistic, the colour themes and music fit perfectly and I only can complain about the first episodes, the pilot and the mushroom killer one were bad but the latest ones have been absolutely brilliant, it really seems like a movie rather than a tv series, even more entertaining than some of the Hannibal movies and that is me saying a lot because it's probably one of my favorite movie series. Mikkelsen's acting is superb.

This show makes Dexter look real bad, I liked the first season of Dexter but I can't rewatch it, because it's not that good, this one though it's for the ages.

By the way Hannibal killed the doctor because he called Will a pig, I knew he would because he felt very offended and that is how Hannibal selects his victims, people that offend him, because he considers Will a friend. Sadly the doctor won't be on the dinner table.

I wonder if Hannibal will kill Abigail Johnson, that is gonna be very interesting, how that one plays out.
Interviewer: Many people hate you and would like to see you dead. How does that make you feel? Trevor Goodchild: Those people should get to know me a little better. Then they'd know I don't indulge in feelings.
karpotoss
Profile Joined November 2012
135 Posts
June 02 2013 12:42 GMT
#272
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?

Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
June 02 2013 13:01 GMT
#273
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?

Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?


As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.

I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.
Interviewer: Many people hate you and would like to see you dead. How does that make you feel? Trevor Goodchild: Those people should get to know me a little better. Then they'd know I don't indulge in feelings.
karpotoss
Profile Joined November 2012
135 Posts
June 02 2013 13:29 GMT
#274
On June 02 2013 22:01 Nevermind86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?

Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?


As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.

I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.


Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita
Nevermind86
Profile Joined August 2009
Somalia429 Posts
June 02 2013 14:17 GMT
#275
On June 02 2013 22:29 karpotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 22:01 Nevermind86 wrote:
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?

Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?


As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.

I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.


Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita


I know but Dexter after season 1 sucked big time. I wonder though if such a thing is true, probably not.
Interviewer: Many people hate you and would like to see you dead. How does that make you feel? Trevor Goodchild: Those people should get to know me a little better. Then they'd know I don't indulge in feelings.
Rebornlife
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada224 Posts
June 02 2013 18:47 GMT
#276
On June 02 2013 22:29 karpotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 22:01 Nevermind86 wrote:
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?

Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?


As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.

I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.


Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita


Generally people who do not experience emotion have a difficult time when they are having sex, as it would be purely physical for them. Their partner on the other hand generally sees sex as something very intimate and emotional. Its not that it's already "been done", it is a common trait of the psychopath.
helvete
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden276 Posts
June 06 2013 20:59 GMT
#277
On June 03 2013 03:47 Rebornlife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2013 22:29 karpotoss wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:01 Nevermind86 wrote:
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?

Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?


As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.

I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.


Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita


Generally people who do not experience emotion have a difficult time when they are having sex, as it would be purely physical for them. Their partner on the other hand generally sees sex as something very intimate and emotional. Its not that it's already "been done", it is a common trait of the psychopath.

Psychopaths do have emotions. They just can't appreciate the fact that anyone else's emotions matter in the slightest. They also often have a very high sex drive. Combined with their lack of inhibitions that makes for one helluva passionate "bad boy" in bed. Dexter is a fictional character and not at all representative of real psychopaths.

That said.. another Hannibal when I wake up tomorrow. Weeee! :D
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-06 22:42:10
June 06 2013 22:37 GMT
#278
I still think Mads has the only interesting role in the series... and even that is getting a bit repetitive. When Will woke up alone and found blood on the door I already suspected it was Hannibal who had killed the doctor. I thought the twist would be that everybody thought Will had snapped and done it, but I guess they're leaving that for later.

EDIT: in comparison with Dexter, Dexter is simply a far more engaging series. Sure, it had its problematic seasons (and characters), but at least it is easy to root for Dexter despite knowing that what he is doing is despiccable. Additionally they had some really excellent other characters. Mads Mikkelson has the only interesting character in Hannibal and you aren't supposed to empathize with him. Will is a douche and I keep hoping he snaps and actually DOES kill someone. Jack is a ruthless asshole and while he could be interesting, he just isn't. In Dexter S1, both Dexter and his brother were awesome, and some of the supporting cast were interesting as well.
Neino
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway295 Posts
June 06 2013 23:06 GMT
#279
On June 07 2013 05:59 helvete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2013 03:47 Rebornlife wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:29 karpotoss wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:01 Nevermind86 wrote:
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?

Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?


As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.

I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.


Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita


Generally people who do not experience emotion have a difficult time when they are having sex, as it would be purely physical for them. Their partner on the other hand generally sees sex as something very intimate and emotional. Its not that it's already "been done", it is a common trait of the psychopath.

Psychopaths do have emotions. They just can't appreciate the fact that anyone else's emotions matter in the slightest. They also often have a very high sex drive. Combined with their lack of inhibitions that makes for one helluva passionate "bad boy" in bed. Dexter is a fictional character and not at all representative of real psychopaths.

That said.. another Hannibal when I wake up tomorrow. Weeee! :D


I thought psychopaths lacked emotions were as sociopaths only cares about their own? Haven't looked into the excact defintions, that was just my impression
hapiblood
Profile Joined April 2013
United States6 Posts
June 07 2013 03:36 GMT
#280
I really like this movie.
helvete
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden276 Posts
June 07 2013 08:43 GMT
#281
On June 07 2013 08:06 Neino wrote:
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On June 07 2013 05:59 helvete wrote:
On June 03 2013 03:47 Rebornlife wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:29 karpotoss wrote:
On June 02 2013 22:01 Nevermind86 wrote:
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?

Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?


As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.

I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.


Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita


Generally people who do not experience emotion have a difficult time when they are having sex, as it would be purely physical for them. Their partner on the other hand generally sees sex as something very intimate and emotional. Its not that it's already "been done", it is a common trait of the psychopath.

Psychopaths do have emotions. They just can't appreciate the fact that anyone else's emotions matter in the slightest. They also often have a very high sex drive. Combined with their lack of inhibitions that makes for one helluva passionate "bad boy" in bed. Dexter is a fictional character and not at all representative of real psychopaths.

That said.. another Hannibal when I wake up tomorrow. Weeee! :D


I thought psychopaths lacked emotions were as sociopaths only cares about their own? Haven't looked into the excact defintions, that was just my impression

The terms psychopath and sociopath are interchangeable. They are used in different fields of study, but they refer to the same entity.
As to a human completely lacking emotion.. just think about it for a bit. What would motivate such a person? Without emotion there is zero motivation. You can't use pure reason to really want anything, and you sure as hell wouldn't be able to manipulate anyone (or want to) if you couldn't understand what feelings were or how they motivate people.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
June 07 2013 19:23 GMT
#282
Psychopath/sociopath are often interchangable but a lot of psychologist use them to differentiate between neurological and psychological manifestations. For example a Psychopath as per Hares definition is neurologically, at birth [as near as we know] incapable of empathy, shallow emotional affect etc. Theres also some othere interesting cognitive defects such as inability to comprehend long term consequences, and language difficulties. A sociopath is more akin to anti social personality disorder. They feel guilt and so on, but are bastards due to upbringing. But as Helvete says there interchangeable a lot, it really depends on the individual psychologist.
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Rebornlife
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 23:02:52
June 07 2013 22:45 GMT
#283
On June 08 2013 04:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Psychopath/sociopath are often interchangable but a lot of psychologist use them to differentiate between neurological and psychological manifestations. For example a Psychopath as per Hares definition is neurologically, at birth [as near as we know] incapable of empathy, shallow emotional affect etc. Theres also some othere interesting cognitive defects such as inability to comprehend long term consequences, and language difficulties. A sociopath is more akin to anti social personality disorder. They feel guilt and so on, but are bastards due to upbringing. But as Helvete says there interchangeable a lot, it really depends on the individual psychologist.


I wrote a paper last year in university on the effects trauma has on developing brains, and one conclusion I seemed to find universally is that children's brains are physically altered when they experience/witness/ traumatic events. Both singular (most often a physical event) and recurring events can cause "damage". The brain scans of many infamous crazies who we know were abused, etc. during their childhood showed abnormalities in similar regions every time. There seem to be mark-able differences from the scans of so called "evil children" who seemed to be on the wrong path from birth.

Edit: Although overall the scans show a very similar picture.
Xahhk
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada540 Posts
June 08 2013 04:55 GMT
#284
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote:
So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?

Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?


Cultivating Will's brain till Will is so insane or unhinged that he will willingly accept Hannibal as the serial killer cannibal who he really is-a true friend.

That's why he has been teasing Will's mind with copycat killings, his counselling sessions, and most recently sending Will to kill off Gideon.

He's throwing everyone under the bus just for Will, maybe not Abigail or Alana however.
karpotoss
Profile Joined November 2012
135 Posts
June 09 2013 13:51 GMT
#285
I feel like at this point Will is pants on head retarded for trusting Hannibal.
intothewhite
Profile Joined December 2008
Australia60 Posts
June 09 2013 14:10 GMT
#286
On June 09 2013 22:51 karpotoss wrote:
I feel like at this point Will is pants on head retarded for trusting Hannibal.

Or suffering some kind of neurological disease?
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
June 09 2013 15:39 GMT
#287
Seems like i am the only one that really likes Hugh Dancy as Will.

I mean yeah, Mikkelsen as Hannibal is great without a doubt - still, I find myself more intrigued by Dancys portrayal of Will.
He does an outstanding job conveying Wills struggle with his situation.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17919 Posts
June 11 2013 13:00 GMT
#288
On June 10 2013 00:39 Mattes wrote:
Seems like i am the only one that really likes Hugh Dancy as Will.

I mean yeah, Mikkelsen as Hannibal is great without a doubt - still, I find myself more intrigued by Dancys portrayal of Will.
He does an outstanding job conveying Wills struggle with his situation.

The last episode, he played excellently. Too bad that the scriptwriters dropped the ball even harder on this one than usual.

Aside from Alana as an almost eye witness, there are 2 tracks in the snow, showing they stood next to each other. Then Will shot an unarmed guy in the face at point-blank range.

Now I'm not too knowledgeable about the law in the US, and have no idea what protection you get as a special agent for the FBI, but there has to be at least some inquiry in which Will is under serious scrutiny. This is the third time in a short time he has gunned somebody (albeit all serial killers) down. This time, insofar as anybody can tell, there was no acute life-or-death situation. This has to merit some serious inquiry, right?
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-11 17:17:18
June 11 2013 15:56 GMT
#289
On June 11 2013 22:00 Acrofales wrote:
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On June 10 2013 00:39 Mattes wrote:
Seems like i am the only one that really likes Hugh Dancy as Will.

I mean yeah, Mikkelsen as Hannibal is great without a doubt - still, I find myself more intrigued by Dancys portrayal of Will.
He does an outstanding job conveying Wills struggle with his situation.

The last episode, he played excellently. Too bad that the scriptwriters dropped the ball even harder on this one than usual.

Aside from Alana as an almost eye witness, there are 2 tracks in the snow, showing they stood next to each other. Then Will shot an unarmed guy in the face at point-blank range.

Now I'm not too knowledgeable about the law in the US, and have no idea what protection you get as a special agent for the FBI, but there has to be at least some inquiry in which Will is under serious scrutiny. This is the third time in a short time he has gunned somebody (albeit all serial killers) down. This time, insofar as anybody can tell, there was no acute life-or-death situation. This has to merit some serious inquiry, right?


Will will already be under serious scrutiny since Jack told him to stay in the car and he ended up with the serial killerfugitive at his girlfriends house. There are more what the hell happened than merely him shooting the serial killer at the house. How did he get there in the first place, especially in his current condition? Shooting a fugitive who was considered armed and dangerous is the least of his worries right now.
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intothewhite
Profile Joined December 2008
Australia60 Posts
June 14 2013 07:23 GMT
#290
New episode out, pretty interesting.
Twiggs
Profile Joined January 2011
United States600 Posts
June 15 2013 10:53 GMT
#291
Loving this show. Will and Mad are both putting some awesome spins on the characters. Im a sucker for some gruesome crime drama but the sinister nature of this show has me hooked! God those evil death stares from Hannibal that go un-noticed by the simpletons around him are so amazing!
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EleanorRIgby
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada3923 Posts
June 15 2013 15:24 GMT
#292
damn the end of the last episode, the fear on that girls face once she knew...and hannibals "curious" dialogue crazy good acting im starting to like him even more then anthony hopkins
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Orangered
Profile Joined June 2013
289 Posts
June 15 2013 15:48 GMT
#293
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
Tiwo
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 15:57:05
June 15 2013 15:54 GMT
#294
I know Will is all crazy and fucked up most of the time, specially the last few episodes, but this episodes he was more clear than ever and even said it must be someone with inside info. How does he not link the Elk in his dreams even making the same pose as the Elk statue of Hannibal. It looks like they make it so clear that the brain of Will is trying to say it's Hannibal, but he just doesn't get it. I find this a big plot hole.

also:

On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote:
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.


I't your opinion of course, but I think most of us actually think he is pretty good.
Jago
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland390 Posts
June 15 2013 22:28 GMT
#295
On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote:
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.

You are insane, the actor playing Hannibal is the single biggest thing carrying the entire damn show.
SkySpy
Profile Joined October 2010
United States245 Posts
June 21 2013 07:18 GMT
#296
Crawford and the others I couldn't care less for, but will and hannibal were amazing.

And now we wait for season two. =/
zbedlam
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia549 Posts
June 21 2013 07:49 GMT
#297
On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote:
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.


He looks like an old man with back problems.

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Because he is carrying so hard....
karpotoss
Profile Joined November 2012
135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-21 13:09:22
June 21 2013 13:00 GMT
#298
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
June 21 2013 13:16 GMT
#299
Mads is doing an excellent job, but I wouldn't say he's carrying the show. Dancy has been doing great work with Graham.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
June 21 2013 18:45 GMT
#300
On June 16 2013 00:54 Tiwo wrote:
I know Will is all crazy and fucked up most of the time, specially the last few episodes, but this episodes he was more clear than ever and even said it must be someone with inside info. How does he not link the Elk in his dreams even making the same pose as the Elk statue of Hannibal. It looks like they make it so clear that the brain of Will is trying to say it's Hannibal, but he just doesn't get it. I find this a big plot hole.

also:

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On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote:
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.


I't your opinion of course, but I think most of us actually think he is pretty good.
Blinded by his friendship and such, I suppose. I dont think its such a plot hole that Will in a fairly delusional state didnt notice a psychopath that befriended him until it was too late. Great first season, Will and Hannibal are clearly the only interesting characters and actors [besides the occasional serial killer], hopefully that will change next season. Really hoping Will doesnt stay in jail, or become disfigured-- i want the hero to win!
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Lemonerer
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel135 Posts
June 21 2013 19:58 GMT
#301
Damn, I was sure Hannibal will kill Scully before this season ends.
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
June 22 2013 07:14 GMT
#302
wow i cant wait for the next season. this is my fav tv show. the acting of will and hannibal is really good, the script is amazing, and the artistic way it's shot/directed is a pleasure to watch.

definitely going to rewatch this series. it seems so complex and with so many subtleties.

i was a bit confused about the plot and why hannibal did what he did, so i tried to write it out. im probably wrong in some parts but now it all makes more sense to me:

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it's clear that hannibal was doing manipulative psychological experiments on will and abigail "because he was curious". and he was planning to dispose of them when he was done from the beginning. his experiments are based on trying to turn them into killers.

right up into the climax, hannibal is still trying to convert will to become a psychopath, to make him believe that he is actually a killer like hannibal. "look at what you've done. see how you feel. are you a killer, will?"

even though at the end, will is imprisoned and hannibal gets away free, imo will is victorious. he says "i know who i am. i am not a killer." he overcomes his self-doubt, illness and hannibals meticulous season-long attempts to change him.

just imagine the opposite, right before will gets shot he could have said "you're right, i'm just like you" and then they'd be friends and it would have been a very different ending.

i guess hannibal didn't expect that during his experimentation he would grow to like will and abigail. but he had to sacrifice abigail in his attempt to "solve/save" will. but that didn't work so i see why he said he "utterly failed them both".

Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
June 22 2013 08:46 GMT
#303
I think the reason he likes Will is that will is so empathetic that he represents the capacity for an end to his lonliness, so its more of an abstract fondness. as to the 'utterly failed', I'm feeling that was more about tricking the psychologist into thinking he had feelings just incase. Perhaps not, and if not, the failure might of been the realization that he would have to virtually destroy will [by getting him arrested] into to complete his transformation.
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Jago
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland390 Posts
June 22 2013 13:39 GMT
#304
Am I completely misunderstanding the relationship between Hannibal and his psychologist or is everyone else missing it?

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To me it seems bright as day that the psychologist is fully aware of who Hannibal really is. A few episodes ago it was very strongly implied that the patient who attacked Hannibal's psychologist died not because he slipped, but because Hannibal killed him and his psychologist covered it up.

In the finale, there is an even stronger point supporting this view: the moment where the psychologist tells Hannibal something along the lines of "They will soon discover your pattern" "What pattern?" "You get involved with patients who have a history of violence".
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17919 Posts
June 22 2013 13:48 GMT
#305
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote:
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.

Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.

Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
Neino
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway295 Posts
June 22 2013 13:49 GMT
#306
On June 22 2013 22:39 Jago wrote:
Am I completely misunderstanding the relationship between Hannibal and his psychologist or is everyone else missing it?

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To me it seems bright as day that the psychologist is fully aware of who Hannibal really is. A few episodes ago it was very strongly implied that the patient who attacked Hannibal's psychologist died not because he slipped, but because Hannibal killed him and his psychologist covered it up.

In the finale, there is an even stronger point supporting this view: the moment where the psychologist tells Hannibal something along the lines of "They will soon discover your pattern" "What pattern?" "You get involved with patients who have a history of violence".


No, it heavily implies that. All the more reason to doubt it!
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 22 2013 16:43 GMT
#307
On June 22 2013 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
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On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote:
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.

Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.

Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?


I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Jago
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland390 Posts
June 22 2013 16:52 GMT
#308
Oh and one very obvious giveaway was when it was mentioned that Bedelia (I had to actually look up her name now instead of calling her Scully) went out of her way to avoid Hannibal's dinner parties and that Hannibal bringing the food TO her was the only way they'd be able to have dinner together. She was absolutely aware that she was eating human and the reason she didn't decline when Hannibal showed up at her door is because Hannibal would find it very rude. It all makes sense now.
Neino
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway295 Posts
June 22 2013 16:57 GMT
#309
On June 23 2013 01:52 Jago wrote:
Oh and one very obvious giveaway was when it was mentioned that Bedelia (I had to actually look up her name now instead of calling her Scully) went out of her way to avoid Hannibal's dinner parties and that Hannibal bringing the food TO her was the only way they'd be able to have dinner together. She was absolutely aware that she was eating human and the reason she didn't decline when Hannibal showed up at her door is because Hannibal would find it very rude. It all makes sense now.


It's possible that she just wants to keep the whole doctor/patient thing seperate from friendship though. She's been talking a bit about that concerning Hannibal and Will. I don't necessarily disagree, but we should look at all the options :D
Jago
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland390 Posts
June 22 2013 17:03 GMT
#310
Here's an interesting interview with Gillian Anderson: http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/103837/dana-scully-is-hannibals-psychotherapist
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17919 Posts
June 22 2013 17:19 GMT
#311
On June 23 2013 01:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
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On June 22 2013 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote:
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.

Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.

Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?


I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.

I was thinking that too, but it just doesn't make sense given the little psych talks they keep having. Hannibal is clearly keeping up appearances (or he'd just tell her that he was fucking with Will's brain, rather than keep lying about all that). So she probably doesn't know the full extent of his crimes.

Which brings me to: hey guys, it's TV, we can do whatever the fuck we want! And it was a wink to the viewer, to make it clear that the viewer knows they're eating Abigael, without Scully actually knowing. It's terrible direction, but seems to be the only way the look of disgust can be combined with:

1. Her actually eating it (or she is incredibly afraid of Hannibal, which doesn't seem to be the case)
2. The keeping up appearances deal
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
June 22 2013 19:23 GMT
#312
On June 23 2013 01:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2013 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote:
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.

Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.

Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?


I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 22 2013 19:31 GMT
#313
On June 23 2013 04:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
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On June 23 2013 01:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 22 2013 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote:
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.

Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.

Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?


I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.


or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
June 22 2013 19:36 GMT
#314
On June 23 2013 04:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
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On June 23 2013 04:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 22 2013 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote:
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.

Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.

Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?


I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.


or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
His question to her makes no sense in that context, because it was all about how she perceives him as a person. In light of recent circumstances, it would do nothing but reinforce her idea that he was a psychopathic murderous cannibal, and she also doesnt seem nervous around him at all.
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stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
June 22 2013 19:40 GMT
#315
That ending was exciting, but kind of pissed me off.

I have to keep telling myself that Hannibal is the name of the show. >_>
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 22 2013 19:42 GMT
#316
On June 23 2013 04:36 Dazed_Spy wrote:
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On June 23 2013 04:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 22 2013 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote:
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.

Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.

Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?


I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.


or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
His question to her makes no sense in that context, because it was all about how she perceives him as a person. In light of recent circumstances, it would do nothing but reinforce her idea that he was a psychopathic murderous cannibal, and she also doesnt seem nervous around him at all.


Her profession gives her the means to distort her emotions. I wouldn't trust any emotions or lack there of that a psychiatrist displays. Personally if feels like a matter where she is more dense than the FBI if she doesn't know what Hannibal really is. Her motives for keeping it a secret are far more interesting.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
June 22 2013 19:45 GMT
#317
On June 23 2013 04:42 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:36 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 22 2013 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote:
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.

Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.

Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?


I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.


or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
His question to her makes no sense in that context, because it was all about how she perceives him as a person. In light of recent circumstances, it would do nothing but reinforce her idea that he was a psychopathic murderous cannibal, and she also doesnt seem nervous around him at all.


Her profession gives her the means to distort her emotions. I wouldn't trust any emotions or lack there of that a psychiatrist displays. Personally if feels like a matter where she is more dense than the FBI if she doesn't know what Hannibal really is. Her motives for keeping it a secret are far more interesting.
Not really, how could she know he kills people as a hobby? You might discern he has no emotions but unless he makes clear implications that he enjoys murder, there shouldnt be a reason to think it. The only way her character will be interesting if shes related to the slow discovery of who hannibal is, otherwise shes just the blonde chick who talks in an annoyingly low tone in various cut scenes. No progression.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 22 2013 19:52 GMT
#318
On June 23 2013 04:45 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:42 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:36 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:23 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 23 2013 01:43 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On June 22 2013 22:48 Acrofales wrote:
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote:
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.

Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.

Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?


I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.


or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
His question to her makes no sense in that context, because it was all about how she perceives him as a person. In light of recent circumstances, it would do nothing but reinforce her idea that he was a psychopathic murderous cannibal, and she also doesnt seem nervous around him at all.


Her profession gives her the means to distort her emotions. I wouldn't trust any emotions or lack there of that a psychiatrist displays. Personally if feels like a matter where she is more dense than the FBI if she doesn't know what Hannibal really is. Her motives for keeping it a secret are far more interesting.
Not really, how could she know he kills people as a hobby? You might discern he has no emotions but unless he makes clear implications that he enjoys murder, there shouldnt be a reason to think it. The only way her character will be interesting if shes related to the slow discovery of who hannibal is, otherwise shes just the blonde chick who talks in an annoyingly low tone in various cut scenes. No progression.


The fact that anyone who speaks ill of him dies is a good indication (or his friend; Hannibal also killed people who spoke ill of Will). I suppose she wouldn't have easy access to this information, but I get the picture that Hannibal has killed at least a hundred people. You've gotta pick up the pattern at some point or another.

What would be more interesting is if she knows he is a killer and actively helps him. Her slowly discovering he is a killer is pretty boring to me. She isn't into the whole cannibal thing and we don't know what motivates her to kill yet. Maybe Hannibal saving her from death gave him control similar to Abigail? Maybe they were both killers before said event and that connected them because they discovered each others secret. The possibilities are endless.
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Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
June 22 2013 20:57 GMT
#319
I guess "Scully" will play a bigger role in season 2. The series did not have any big cliffhangers like your typically used to in drama series. Gonna see how this plays out. We only had a few little glimpses of mysteries that will at some point be solved.

I'm excited to see how Hannibal is able to turn Will around again to beeing his friend. If I remember right, the series is supposed to be before Red Dragon, and there Will was realizing Hannibal was the killer they were searching for for quite some time. In the state we are now, Will is already aware of Hannibal as the Killer. I'm wondering how they will play this one out.
Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
June 22 2013 22:42 GMT
#320
On June 22 2013 16:14 MadProbe wrote:
wow i cant wait for the next season. this is my fav tv show. the acting of will and hannibal is really good, the script is amazing, and the artistic way it's shot/directed is a pleasure to watch.

definitely going to rewatch this series. it seems so complex and with so many subtleties.

i was a bit confused about the plot and why hannibal did what he did, so i tried to write it out. im probably wrong in some parts but now it all makes more sense to me:

+ Show Spoiler +
it's clear that hannibal was doing manipulative psychological experiments on will and abigail "because he was curious". and he was planning to dispose of them when he was done from the beginning. his experiments are based on trying to turn them into killers.

right up into the climax, hannibal is still trying to convert will to become a psychopath, to make him believe that he is actually a killer like hannibal. "look at what you've done. see how you feel. are you a killer, will?"

even though at the end, will is imprisoned and hannibal gets away free, imo will is victorious. he says "i know who i am. i am not a killer." he overcomes his self-doubt, illness and hannibals meticulous season-long attempts to change him.

just imagine the opposite, right before will gets shot he could have said "you're right, i'm just like you" and then they'd be friends and it would have been a very different ending.

i guess hannibal didn't expect that during his experimentation he would grow to like will and abigail. but he had to sacrifice abigail in his attempt to "solve/save" will. but that didn't work so i see why he said he "utterly failed them both".




+ Show Spoiler +

I'm not as enthousiastic as you are about the show, for me it's a bit of a letdown compared to Silence of the Lambs (the movie) and the whole book serie, but those were so good it's probably hard to live up to those standards. I like the work of Mikkelsen as Hannibal, the guy acting as Will is so-so (I find his acting monotonous/repetitive/rather flat - it might not be his fault, maybe it's the director's), the relationship between H and W is at times interesting but the 1 serial killer per episode format in season 1 is just too much for me, a lot of graphical violence that doesn't add much to the plot, and murder cases that get solved before I could even start caring about them is ok for 2-3 episode, not for a full season. The red thread/abigail story is interesting but could have taken much more of the show time in my opinion.

Now to your other point, you might be right, my interpretation is somewhat different. I don't think Hannibal is trying to convert Will to become a psychopath. I think he genuinely cares about Will, just like he does care about Clarice in the books, and actually tries to protect him. He's found a good person / a person he likes and would never try and hurt them (spoiler inside the spoiler - at least at this point of the story,for those who read Red Dragon, we all know there's a twist there / end of spoiler inside the spoiler).

I don't know what to think about Abigail yet. We only saw one ear and assumed he killed her, I actually wonder if she's really dead or if it's just another future plot twist (I'd go for the latest, I'd be surprised if they made an important character disappear just like that, just for the sake of Hollywood drama standards). And even if he killed her, her role in the killings was ambiguous, so it might be that Hannibal knew it and therefore didn't care about her that much.

Now all of my reasoning might be wrong just because I interpret this / the Hannibal character based on all the previous novels/movies and in those he never seems to be experimenting on people he likes/good people (I assume Will is one of them - that might be my mistake but I definitely think he is based on vague moral standards), whereas Hannibal loves to play around with people/has no problem hurting anyone who have obvious morality issues (pardon my french, I'm struggling with english for this bit) - what is moral and what isn't having to be defined but that's a longer discussion. Maybe he's just a young Hannibal, and still does mistakes about his moral/personality judgments but the "old" one never seemed to change his mind about anyone and I'd rather think this is a personality trait he developed very young.

I think Will ends up in prison despite Hannibal's attempt to help him, Hannibal probably will try and help him get out of it in the future, but not at the price of his own freedom, which was the bargain at the end of this season, one of them had to go to jail, and I don't think Hannibal would sacrifice his freedom for anyone (or at least anyone we know) so far....

Well I could write pages about it but I'll stop there, gotta go watch HSC!
I hope season 2 really develops the Will/Hannibal relationship and focus heavily on it (i.e. dialogues, character development), and spare us all the silly mass murdering/graphical filling (leave that to CSI or whatever), then I could get really enthousiastic about it
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GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 06:48:14
June 24 2013 05:30 GMT
#321
On June 23 2013 05:57 Dekker wrote:
I guess "Scully" will play a bigger role in season 2. The series did not have any big cliffhangers like your typically used to in drama series. Gonna see how this plays out. We only had a few little glimpses of mysteries that will at some point be solved.

I'm excited to see how Hannibal is able to turn Will around again to beeing his friend. If I remember right, the series is supposed to be before Red Dragon, and there Will was realizing Hannibal was the killer they were searching for for quite some time. In the state we are now, Will is already aware of Hannibal as the Killer. I'm wondering how they will play this one out.


I don't think it's in their highest priorities to make the series conclude just before the events of Red Dragon. I think they're taking their own direction. For example, it's 2013 and not 1960s.
Although this is quite interesting, to find out where they're going with it.
I hope I'm right, because otherwise we'd know that + Show Spoiler +
in the series Hannibal is never caught, or suspected in anything (which is already turning out to be not the case), so we shall see.
Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 24 2013 05:31 GMT
#322
... shouldn't you spoil that for people who didn't read the book? -.-
GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
June 24 2013 06:48 GMT
#323
My bad, sorry. Fixed
Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
MadProbe
Profile Joined February 2012
United States269 Posts
June 24 2013 08:23 GMT
#324
imo, if you're reading this far into the thread you should expect spoilers. like this one:

scully knew she was eating abigail. that was the beauty of the scene. she clearly didn't want to but took a bite out of fear and respect for hannibal. and after she reluctantly took that first bite, hannibal smiled.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
June 24 2013 08:31 GMT
#325
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote:
scully knew she was eating abigail


What are you basing this on?
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-24 19:59:40
June 24 2013 19:59 GMT
#326
On June 24 2013 17:31 Psyclon wrote:
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On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote:
scully knew she was eating abigail


What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.

Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].
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Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
June 24 2013 20:17 GMT
#327
On June 25 2013 04:59 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 17:31 Psyclon wrote:
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote:
scully knew she was eating abigail


What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.

Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].

Ok but then, what to think of a psychiatrist that never shows emotions but whose eyes get slightly larger during a human meat dinner ? Are the writers just trying to play with our brains ?
"2 cannons, it's not one cannons" - White-Ra
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
June 24 2013 21:14 GMT
#328
On June 25 2013 05:17 Eurekastreet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 04:59 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 24 2013 17:31 Psyclon wrote:
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote:
scully knew she was eating abigail


What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.

Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].

Ok but then, what to think of a psychiatrist that never shows emotions but whose eyes get slightly larger during a human meat dinner ? Are the writers just trying to play with our brains ?
Yeah, they are trying to play with our brains. I think her eyes widened because the meat tasted good [as everyone has remarked, it is after all a gourmet meal].
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 24 2013 21:45 GMT
#329
On June 25 2013 04:59 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2013 17:31 Psyclon wrote:
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote:
scully knew she was eating abigail


What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.

Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].


I'm gonna assume that last bit was directed at me from my comment earlier. Psychiatrists are not trained to never show emotion. They know how you'd expect them to feel and can cherry pick their emotions based on that to manipulate you; like Hannibal does throughout the entire show. Naturally not all psychiatrists are manipulative psychopaths, but I don't trust her personally.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
June 24 2013 21:48 GMT
#330
On June 25 2013 06:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 04:59 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 24 2013 17:31 Psyclon wrote:
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote:
scully knew she was eating abigail


What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.

Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].


I'm gonna assume that last bit was directed at me from my comment earlier. Psychiatrists are not trained to never show emotion. They know how you'd expect them to feel and can cherry pick their emotions based on that to manipulate you; like Hannibal does throughout the entire show. Naturally not all psychiatrists are manipulative psychopaths, but I don't trust her personally.
Theres few psychiatrists who are capable of that kind of emotional manipulation. Its a massive stretch, and its too obvious an interpretation, just like lounds being murdered by hannibal, which was heavily implied given the scene directly after he first met her.
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helvete
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden276 Posts
June 25 2013 11:05 GMT
#331
On June 25 2013 06:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 04:59 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On June 24 2013 17:31 Psyclon wrote:
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote:
scully knew she was eating abigail


What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.

Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].


I'm gonna assume that last bit was directed at me from my comment earlier. Psychiatrists are not trained to never show emotion. They know how you'd expect them to feel and can cherry pick their emotions based on that to manipulate you; like Hannibal does throughout the entire show. Naturally not all psychiatrists are manipulative psychopaths, but I don't trust her personally.

Psychiatrists are doctors who specialize in medicating the brain. They are not psychologists. That's not how they are trained.
Am0n3r
Profile Joined April 2010
United States254 Posts
June 25 2013 14:13 GMT
#332
Is the ending scene for the last episode that Wil remembers what happened in the house before he got shot and he realizes who Hannibal is, and now will have to play a game while incarcerated?

One thing that bugs me was how they could not check his brain for inflammations one more time... Even after his doctor got killed and his was in hospital multiple times... I feel like they should still be able to figure out that something is wrong and worth checking....
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Aelfric
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Turkey1496 Posts
June 25 2013 22:21 GMT
#333
On June 25 2013 23:13 Am0n3r wrote:
Is the ending scene for the last episode that Wil remembers what happened in the house before he got shot and he realizes who Hannibal is, and now will have to play a game while incarcerated?

One thing that bugs me was how they could not check his brain for inflammations one more time... Even after his doctor got killed and his was in hospital multiple times... I feel like they should still be able to figure out that something is wrong and worth checking....

Hannibal made everyone trust his words.
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Am0n3r
Profile Joined April 2010
United States254 Posts
June 26 2013 05:08 GMT
#334
On June 26 2013 07:21 Aelfric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2013 23:13 Am0n3r wrote:
Is the ending scene for the last episode that Wil remembers what happened in the house before he got shot and he realizes who Hannibal is, and now will have to play a game while incarcerated?

One thing that bugs me was how they could not check his brain for inflammations one more time... Even after his doctor got killed and his was in hospital multiple times... I feel like they should still be able to figure out that something is wrong and worth checking....

Hannibal made everyone trust his words.


That is true, but does the ending shot shows that Wil got him figured out and he remembers what happened before he got shot?

Also... I really hate this ended to the season, there is absolutely no conclusion to anything
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OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
July 04 2013 19:42 GMT
#335
Even if you don't like the series you have to love that last scene. I had a big grin on my face the whole time.
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MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
July 10 2013 19:53 GMT
#336
On June 26 2013 14:08 Am0n3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2013 07:21 Aelfric wrote:
On June 25 2013 23:13 Am0n3r wrote:
Is the ending scene for the last episode that Wil remembers what happened in the house before he got shot and he realizes who Hannibal is, and now will have to play a game while incarcerated?

One thing that bugs me was how they could not check his brain for inflammations one more time... Even after his doctor got killed and his was in hospital multiple times... I feel like they should still be able to figure out that something is wrong and worth checking....

Hannibal made everyone trust his words.


That is true, but does the ending shot shows that Wil got him figured out and he remembers what happened before he got shot?

Also... I really hate this ended to the season, there is absolutely no conclusion to anything

Personally I think that the ending is great: first of all there's a conclusion to the series, since Hannibal tecnically won.
But I believe that the "real" conclusion is more subtle... it's about Hannibal finding an equal, a friend.

The last episode is a masterclass about things left unsaid, but still very present.
Scully knows about Hannibal's alimentary habits (she refuses to go eat at Hannibal's so he has to take the dinner to herself, plus the look on her eyes is great) and she knows he's a killer: interesting to know that at first she is scared because Hannibal doing something unexpected may be bad news for her, but the moment he mentions Will she immediately relax and even starts to play quirky.
Hannibal states that it will be his goodbye to Will, "more or less". That's because he can't understand what Will's reaction after seeing the one who framed him will be.

Then, Hannibal goes to the prison and feels at peace, since he avoided the capture and even better... he just won.
But the thing that makes the ending great is that simple exchange between the two opponents: have you noticed how many times the "hello Will" - "hello, Doctor Lecter" mantra is repeated through all the series?
It's not only a matter of Will not rushing to the cell's door and screaming his rage at his nemesis.
Will realises what happened, he is destroyed... he was even about to kill Hannibal if not stopped (thus giving Hannibal the answer he was searching for: "are you a killer?").
But what does he do? He raises up, takes a good look before answering and then answers back.

It means that after all nothing has changed: it's a confirmation of roles.
And that's exactly why Hannibal cannot contain his smile, because he's happy like that.
Can't wait for another season, it's going to be brutal.

For those who didn't pick it up: interesting number on Will's jail suit, right?
B 5160 - 8... I wonder if any other movie with a certain doctor in jail feature a number like that ^^
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Klonopin
Profile Joined July 2013
95 Posts
July 11 2013 01:22 GMT
#337
if you hannibal fans are bored check out 'the fall'. its a bbc show, also on netflix, starring gillian anderson as a detective hunting a serial killer. i thought it was quite good. i seached and didnt see it mentioned. if you guys have been over this, then i apologize.

Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
March 08 2014 21:31 GMT
#338
wtf nobody noticed the second season started two weeks ago? Anyway first two epi's were awesome, hyped for the rest of the season
Entertaining
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada793 Posts
March 08 2014 23:10 GMT
#339
that second episode opener was the most gruesome thing ive ever seen. i havnt looked away from a tv show in a long time but i literally couldnt watch that. damn
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
March 09 2014 00:15 GMT
#340
On March 09 2014 08:10 Entertaining wrote:
that second episode opener was the most gruesome thing ive ever seen. i havnt looked away from a tv show in a long time but i literally couldnt watch that. damn


My girlfriend almost stopped watching the whole episode after that

This show just keeps getting better and better though, oh man. & the cinematography is really something special
WoodLeagueAllStar
Profile Joined August 2012
United States806 Posts
March 09 2014 03:40 GMT
#341
Yeah haha, I am consistently shocked at what NBC gets away with.

To me this is a sick mans masterpiece I guess I am okay with the fact it will never be a ratings monster, I just hope they can at least get to Silence of the Lambs before cancellation.
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manicsquare
Profile Joined June 2010
176 Posts
March 09 2014 04:40 GMT
#342
On March 09 2014 12:40 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
Yeah haha, I am consistently shocked at what NBC gets away with.

To me this is a sick mans masterpiece I guess I am okay with the fact it will never be a ratings monster, I just hope they can at least get to Silence of the Lambs before cancellation.


They might not be able to get to Silence of the Lambs at all Bryan Fuller has stated multiple times that they have been unable to get the rights to Silence of the Lambs. He still is trying to though so if given time it might happen but so far nothing.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 09 2014 13:31 GMT
#343
Not sure how did i miss this show but i am enjoying it tremendously. A very beautiful show. Damn.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5498 Posts
March 09 2014 13:46 GMT
#344
On March 09 2014 22:31 BurningSera wrote:
Not sure how did i miss this show but i am enjoying it tremendously. A very beautiful show. Damn.


I am not sure "beautiful" is the right word to describe it. ;p
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
March 09 2014 13:55 GMT
#345
Wait what, it's started up again? Sign me up.
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Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
March 09 2014 14:56 GMT
#346
So i've watched Silence of the Lambs and been following this show for quite a while, and I'm quite confused. Is the show supposed to portray the book (Red Dragon) like Game of Thrones with a song of ice and fire? Or where should I look chronologically? I know there's three books who I think have all been made a film out of aswell, but where is the show supposed to take place?

Also, the last two episodes have been masterful. the CGI is really good (always has been), tension's rising and everything comes closer together. Really well done.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-09 17:05:27
March 09 2014 17:02 GMT
#347
On March 09 2014 22:46 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 22:31 BurningSera wrote:
Not sure how did i miss this show but i am enjoying it tremendously. A very beautiful show. Damn.


I am not sure "beautiful" is the right word to describe it. ;p


I bet you wouldn't say that if you were invited to Hannibal's dinner party... :p

But ya, some people (including me) may think that this can be another bad spin off of The Silence of the Lamb (love that movie!!!) by giving it a miss, but so far this show has showed alot of top notch qualities. They spent alot of effort in the consistency of ensuring the atmosphere and soundtracks to blend in nicely with the pacing of the story, not to say the amazing cinematography they have showed us so far (i am near the end of S1 now). The texture and the liquidity in every meals (and cases) are very beautiful.

Damn. If i was invited to his dinner party I would hesitate to say no.

And that goddamn teaser of taunting us whether did he serve the meat to all these people...
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crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
March 09 2014 17:23 GMT
#348
Really messes with my appetite, as I tend to have food prepared before watching a show. But this show is really great, such a fucked up atmosphere that gets to me every time.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
March 10 2014 05:20 GMT
#349
On March 09 2014 23:56 Thalandros wrote:
So i've watched Silence of the Lambs and been following this show for quite a while, and I'm quite confused. Is the show supposed to portray the book (Red Dragon) like Game of Thrones with a song of ice and fire? Or where should I look chronologically? I know there's three books who I think have all been made a film out of aswell, but where is the show supposed to take place?

Also, the last two episodes have been masterful. the CGI is really good (always has been), tension's rising and everything comes closer together. Really well done.


The show is set pre-Red Dragon. Their version of Red Dragon is planned for season three or four.

---

holy fuck season 2 is amazing so far.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
March 10 2014 05:37 GMT
#350
I swear when he was preparing that guy's leg, the cracking of the pepper sounded like spider mines to me. Overall I really enjoyed the two episodes so far.
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 13 2014 09:43 GMT
#351
Just watched the first season finally, and it's an awesome show. I even watch it right before sleep. Doesn't give me nightmares. Cause, you see, I know my time. Clock.

Starting season 2 now and I'm really hoping this turns out to be more than that.

How many seasons planned? What day of the week does episodes come out on tpb, monday? Cheers
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
March 13 2014 10:05 GMT
#352
Not a good show to watch while eating, and I usually have no problem. That guys skin peeling off though.. *shudder*


On March 13 2014 18:43 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Just watched the first season finally, and it's an awesome show. I even watch it right before sleep. Doesn't give me nightmares. Cause, you see, I know my time. Clock.

Starting season 2 now and I'm really hoping this turns out to be more than that.

How many seasons planned? What day of the week does episodes come out on tpb, monday? Cheers


No word on a Season 3 yet, though I think the chances are good. It airs Friday 10pm EST here, so probably up on tpb early Sat. morning for you
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
March 13 2014 11:07 GMT
#353
On March 09 2014 22:46 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2014 22:31 BurningSera wrote:
Not sure how did i miss this show but i am enjoying it tremendously. A very beautiful show. Damn.


I am not sure "beautiful" is the right word to describe it. ;p


It is beautifully shot. It's what makes it all the more unsettling.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 13 2014 17:52 GMT
#354
On March 13 2014 19:05 GwSC wrote:
Not a good show to watch while eating, and I usually have no problem. That guys skin peeling off though.. *shudder*


Show nested quote +
On March 13 2014 18:43 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Just watched the first season finally, and it's an awesome show. I even watch it right before sleep. Doesn't give me nightmares. Cause, you see, I know my time. Clock.

Starting season 2 now and I'm really hoping this turns out to be more than that.

How many seasons planned? What day of the week does episodes come out on tpb, monday? Cheers


No word on a Season 3 yet, though I think the chances are good. It airs Friday 10pm EST here, so probably up on tpb early Sat. morning for you


Unless the numbers pick up there is no way there is going to be a season 3.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 13 2014 18:26 GMT
#355
Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 13 2014 18:32 GMT
#356
On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote:
Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess.


Bryan Fuller
In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.'


I call this ambitious planning.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 13 2014 18:51 GMT
#357
ya thats it i guess but my memory was wrong on that s3 = lambs lol

it would be great to see their version of Red Dragon, goddamn i thought the movie was horrible (more like laughable).
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LamaMitHut
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany187 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 19:25:01
March 13 2014 19:22 GMT
#358
On March 14 2014 03:51 BurningSera wrote:
ya thats it i guess but my memory was wrong on that s3 = lambs lol

it would be great to see their version of Red Dragon, goddamn i thought the movie was horrible (more like laughable).


are u talking about the version of 1986?

[image loading]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunter_(film)
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 13 2014 19:25 GMT
#359
On March 14 2014 04:22 LamaMitHut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 03:51 BurningSera wrote:
ya thats it i guess but my memory was wrong on that s3 = lambs lol

it would be great to see their version of Red Dragon, goddamn i thought the movie was horrible (more like laughable).


are u talking about the version of 1986?

[image loading]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunter_(film)


no, i havent seen thatactually lol. i watched the one with the voldermort dude.
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LamaMitHut
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany187 Posts
March 13 2014 19:26 GMT
#360
On March 14 2014 04:25 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 04:22 LamaMitHut wrote:
On March 14 2014 03:51 BurningSera wrote:
ya thats it i guess but my memory was wrong on that s3 = lambs lol

it would be great to see their version of Red Dragon, goddamn i thought the movie was horrible (more like laughable).


are u talking about the version of 1986?

[image loading]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunter_(film)


no, i havent seen thatactually lol. i watched the one with the voldermort dude.


ok, then i agree with you.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 13 2014 20:19 GMT
#361
On March 14 2014 04:26 LamaMitHut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 04:25 BurningSera wrote:
On March 14 2014 04:22 LamaMitHut wrote:
On March 14 2014 03:51 BurningSera wrote:
ya thats it i guess but my memory was wrong on that s3 = lambs lol

it would be great to see their version of Red Dragon, goddamn i thought the movie was horrible (more like laughable).


are u talking about the version of 1986?

[image loading]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunter_(film)


no, i havent seen thatactually lol. i watched the one with the voldermort dude.


ok, then i agree with you.


I have heard alot of good thing about that 1986 version, basically some people are saying the old version is Rolls Royce and the new one is rubbish. But I never get the chance to watch it, it is just not the kind of movie that i would go find it and watch it, much like I treat most of the movies from that era, like Aliens, I absolutely love it since i watched it when i was very young but I would not rewatch it on purpose, unless it is showed on tv or some friend somehow got a copy of it.

seriously this show is very well crafted, cant remember the last time i saw a crime show at this caliber, probably since the lambs and Seven.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-13 23:50:11
March 13 2014 23:45 GMT
#362
Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.

Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.

Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.

Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 00:28:04
March 14 2014 00:26 GMT
#363
On March 14 2014 08:45 Leporello wrote:
Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.

Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.

Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.

Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.


That scene where he stroked Julianne moore's hair when he was riding carousel.....mygod....

I only see the lambs as the only worthy Hannibal movie out there, Hopkins was perfect in that but yes his role in the other two were awful (and how strangely they did quite well at their box office...), he was more like a creepy old perv to me in them + Show Spoiler +
(how am i supposed to be convinced that Clarice will end up with him)
. And Hugh is a much better Will graham (partly thanks to the cinematography of handling his mental state, the transformation of that stag into a horned demon/humanoid is indeed excellent).

Mads's Hannibal is the modernized version Hannibal that i'd say is a much needed modification for modern viewers while the gruesomeness and gore were beautifully portrayed - i have no complaint whatsoever. Well, the pacing can be abit slow for some impatient viewers i guess lol.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 14 2014 03:34 GMT
#364
On March 14 2014 03:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote:
Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess.


Show nested quote +
Bryan Fuller
In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.'


I call this ambitious planning.


Agree on that thought.

Hannibal was actually pretty close at getting canned while other shows were getting green lighted for following seasons left and right.

BUT

I still remember that Bryan Fuller said that even if NBC decided to cancel the show, there are about 5 other networks that showed interests in renewing seasons so you can also say that those plan were rather conservative.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 04:04:03
March 14 2014 03:58 GMT
#365
On March 14 2014 12:34 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 03:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote:
Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess.


Bryan Fuller
In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.'


I call this ambitious planning.


Agree on that thought.

Hannibal was actually pretty close at getting canned while other shows were getting green lighted for following seasons left and right.

BUT

I still remember that Bryan Fuller said that even if NBC decided to cancel the show, there are about 5 other networks that showed interests in renewing seasons so you can also say that those plan were rather conservative.


Can those networks actually afford to pick it up though? I have no idea what the production budget of this show is, but I am pretty sure it isn't cheap. The show isn't getting the numbers to survive on any of the big networks.

Hopefully netflix will pick it up and NBC airs the whole second season.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
March 14 2014 04:24 GMT
#366
On March 14 2014 12:58 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 12:34 Xiphos wrote:
On March 14 2014 03:32 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote:
Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess.


Bryan Fuller
In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.'


I call this ambitious planning.


Agree on that thought.

Hannibal was actually pretty close at getting canned while other shows were getting green lighted for following seasons left and right.

BUT

I still remember that Bryan Fuller said that even if NBC decided to cancel the show, there are about 5 other networks that showed interests in renewing seasons so you can also say that those plan were rather conservative.


Can those networks actually afford to pick it up though? I have no idea what the production budget of this show is, but I am pretty sure it isn't cheap. The show isn't getting the numbers to survive on any of the big networks.

Hopefully netflix will pick it up and NBC airs the whole second season.


The entire show is shot in Montreal, Canada.

But I get what you are saying, the special effect of this show have outdone itself over and over again.

I think that in terms of the budgeting though, one Hannibal episode would be just as much as it would cost to shoot an episode of CSI.

And over there in Asia, Hannibal is gaining HUGE momentum. Nearly everybody on Weibo (China's FB) have been quoting the show ad nauseum.

Regarding the show's pacing, yeah it can be slow sometime but that's what I like about it. Unlike Criminal Minds, CSI, and nowaday Law and Order, everything is like a rush to the next punchline for gag factor. This show properly set up the condition and appropriately drops one liner at impeccable timing such as Hannibal responding to the blond psychiatrist after she said "They don't know how dangerous you are." w/ "Neither do you." in a nonchalant manner that many of the main characters in 'mainstream crime shows' couldn't keep a straight face saying and spoil it w/ that smug face of "That was clever wasn't I? :p ".

And just btw Caroline Dhavernas is pretty yummy and thanks w/e galactic overlord out there that Hetienne Park have wiped that smirk face she have whenever she had a line to say during Season 2 and became more serious in partaking that role. Only thing they have to do is dial the other two forensic doctors down a notch and this show's weakness will be nigh noticeable.

On another thoughts, how amazing are the fights scene in this show? That scene w/ the black serial killer + Hannibal where the choreographer fully pan out the sequence was awesomely down. Many shows that are fast paced can't seem to slow down the action part for the audience to fully immerse ourselves into the action but due to Hannibal's pacing, it allowed us to think "Huh, well this isn't happening is it?" and surprised us all when it takes an active turn.
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 15 2014 06:31 GMT
#367
I really love this show... I really hope they continue with season 3. For me 3 seasons would easily be enough for a thriller like this.

It's so detailed in it's simplicity and things generally don't feel forced.

As things on TV don't scare me anymore, the story and crime aspect of shows like these are so so important. Hannibal just delivers and delivers.

Cheers until next ep!
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 13:47:31
March 15 2014 13:47 GMT
#368
I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +
(copycat's copycat's copycat lol)
?

and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Mooshfu
Profile Joined August 2010
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 14:10:07
March 15 2014 13:53 GMT
#369
Incredible show IMO.

I wouldn't say ratings are bad; season 2 currently 100% at Rottentomatoes.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/hannibal/

edit and possible spoiler: there is a reason why the most recent corpse was burned. Think about the past killings.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 16:16:20
March 15 2014 16:04 GMT
#370
On March 15 2014 22:47 BurningSera wrote:
I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +
(copycat's copycat's copycat lol)
?

and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*


+ Show Spoiler [s2e3] +
The body was killed in every way that Will supposedly killed somebody. Shot hobbs; burned like Georgia; mutilated like Sutcliff; impaled like Boyle; the ear like Abigail
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 15 2014 16:21 GMT
#371
Oh I meant the tv rating, which is rather strange since everywhere is praising the show.

On March 16 2014 01:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 22:47 BurningSera wrote:
I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +
(copycat's copycat's copycat lol)
?

and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*


+ Show Spoiler [s2e3] +
The body was killed in every way that Will supposedly killed somebody. Shot hobbs; burned like Georgia; mutilated like Sutcliff; impaled like Boyle; the ear like Abigail


I completely forgot that how she was killed lol. I thought it was about the killer wants to hide something on the corpse.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-15 16:45:40
March 15 2014 16:25 GMT
#372
On March 16 2014 01:21 BurningSera wrote:
Oh I meant the tv rating, which is rather strange since everywhere is praising the show.

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2014 01:04 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On March 15 2014 22:47 BurningSera wrote:
I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +
(copycat's copycat's copycat lol)
?

and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*


+ Show Spoiler [s2e3] +
The body was killed in every way that Will supposedly killed somebody. Shot hobbs; burned like Georgia; mutilated like Sutcliff; impaled like Boyle; the ear like Abigail


I completely forgot that how she was killed lol. I thought it was about the killer wants to hide something on the corpse.


The stuff in this show is so subtle that you have to watch it twice to pick everything up ^_^

Also the tv ratings are the number of people who watched the show. The first two weeks had pathetic numbers, but they went up yesterday so things might be good to go for the rest of the season.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 15 2014 17:30 GMT
#373
I just watched the first two episodes of Season 2 and I think the show started off really good. The fight in the beginning was really well done.

But the scene where the black guy tore himself free from the stitches.. jesus christ.
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
March 15 2014 18:21 GMT
#374
On March 16 2014 02:30 Nyxisto wrote:
I just watched the first two episodes of Season 2 and I think the show started off really good. The fight in the beginning was really well done.

But the scene where the black guy tore himself free from the stitches.. jesus christ.

ya that was almost like a Saw movie
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
March 15 2014 18:27 GMT
#375
hey now red dragon was a pretty good movie, hopkins just mailed his performance as hannibal in

other than that, edward norton as will graham, ralph fiennes as the tooth fairy, philip seymour hoffman as the freddy lounds, harvey keitel as jack crawford... they all delivered good performances particularly fiennes
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 15 2014 19:03 GMT
#376
Fun fact: Hopkins only had 16 minutes of screen time during Silence of the lambs. I always found that really astonishing given how much of an impact his role had on the movie.
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
March 16 2014 00:07 GMT
#377
On March 16 2014 04:03 Nyxisto wrote:
Fun fact: Hopkins only had 16 minutes of screen time during Silence of the lambs. I always found that really astonishing given how much of an impact his role had on the movie.


Waoh that's interesting. Hopkins is all I can remember of the movie :D
GeckoXp
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Germany2016 Posts
March 19 2014 18:30 GMT
#378
On March 14 2014 09:26 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 08:45 Leporello wrote:
Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.

Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.

Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.

Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.


That scene where he stroked Julianne moore's hair when he was riding carousel.....mygod....

I only see the lambs as the only worthy Hannibal movie out there, Hopkins was perfect in that but yes his role in the other two were awful (and how strangely they did quite well at their box office...), he was more like a creepy old perv to me in them + Show Spoiler +
(how am i supposed to be convinced that Clarice will end up with him)
. And Hugh is a much better Will graham (partly thanks to the cinematography of handling his mental state, the transformation of that stag into a horned demon/humanoid is indeed excellent).

Mads's Hannibal is the modernized version Hannibal that i'd say is a much needed modification for modern viewers while the gruesomeness and gore were beautifully portrayed - i have no complaint whatsoever. Well, the pacing can be abit slow for some impatient viewers i guess lol.


The bolded parts contradict each other. Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon were great movies in my opinion, both had something in common: amazing and well researched novels. If you read everything of Harris, you might also know Black Sunday - the third really good story (without Hannibal). In comparison to these three Hannibal and Hannibal Rising truely sucked ass, they were simply too much of everything, badly written and made no sense, put the old story arch in a bad light.

Without going too much into detail, Red Dragon (new one) portrayed the novel closely - Hannibal as Psychopath with flaws, Graham as profiler and so on and so forth. The series however adds entirely new characters, changes the books a lot (it's not an accident it's says "based on the novel by"). As a consequence Hannibal has less flaws, Graham is more of an autistic deus-ex-machina super brain, suddenly Lounds matters, there's Gillian Anderson and the other chick comforting Graham. It's a new story entirely, so saying "this is the better Graham" is a bit like saying "Dr. House is the better Sherlock Holmes".

Don't get me wrong, I really love that show and I'd like to see the background of the Ripper, hopefully the Red Dragon and if it's somewhat possible Silence of the Lambs. They do a brilliant job so far.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 19 2014 20:05 GMT
#379
On March 20 2014 03:30 GeckoXp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2014 09:26 BurningSera wrote:
On March 14 2014 08:45 Leporello wrote:
Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.

Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.

Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.

Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.


That scene where he stroked Julianne moore's hair when he was riding carousel.....mygod....

I only see the lambs as the only worthy Hannibal movie out there, Hopkins was perfect in that but yes his role in the other two were awful (and how strangely they did quite well at their box office...), he was more like a creepy old perv to me in them + Show Spoiler +
(how am i supposed to be convinced that Clarice will end up with him)
. And Hugh is a much better Will graham (partly thanks to the cinematography of handling his mental state, the transformation of that stag into a horned demon/humanoid is indeed excellent).

Mads's Hannibal is the modernized version Hannibal that i'd say is a much needed modification for modern viewers while the gruesomeness and gore were beautifully portrayed - i have no complaint whatsoever. Well, the pacing can be abit slow for some impatient viewers i guess lol.


The bolded parts contradict each other. Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon were great movies in my opinion, both had something in common: amazing and well researched novels. If you read everything of Harris, you might also know Black Sunday - the third really good story (without Hannibal). In comparison to these three Hannibal and Hannibal Rising truely sucked ass, they were simply too much of everything, badly written and made no sense, put the old story arch in a bad light.

Without going too much into detail, Red Dragon (new one) portrayed the novel closely - Hannibal as Psychopath with flaws, Graham as profiler and so on and so forth. The series however adds entirely new characters, changes the books a lot (it's not an accident it's says "based on the novel by"). As a consequence Hannibal has less flaws, Graham is more of an autistic deus-ex-machina super brain, suddenly Lounds matters, there's Gillian Anderson and the other chick comforting Graham. It's a new story entirely, so saying "this is the better Graham" is a bit like saying "Dr. House is the better Sherlock Holmes".

Don't get me wrong, I really love that show and I'd like to see the background of the Ripper, hopefully the Red Dragon and if it's somewhat possible Silence of the Lambs. They do a brilliant job so far.


oh i didnt mean that kind of in-dept comparison between the old and new Graham, it was a very basic (and shallow) preference that i said that i think the new one is better. It is because i actually rewatched the lambs, red dragon and Hannibal recently - i wouldn't feel like comparing them if i didnt do that. See if you would feel the same next time you rewatch red dragon.

And old graham does have a super brain too. I prefer the 'uneasiness' part of acting from the new graham better.

And I get what you are saying but i dont think that i contradicted two of my points, the simplest way to explain is that i appreciate hopkins as Hannibal in the lamb very much while at the same time i appreciate the new/modernized Mads's Hannibal very much as well, they are great in their styles respectively in portraying Hannibal; for graham, I didn't think so.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-22 11:39:12
March 22 2014 11:34 GMT
#380
I am genuinely finding parts of this seasons Hannibal unsettling. The atmosphere is so heavy and there's a really pervasive sense of evil whenever something is even slightly related to Hannibal himself. Mads presence is truly fantastic, and the music is doing huge amounts of work too.

Talk about shit hitting the fan about the end of this weeks episode. RIP Ms Katz I guess.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 22 2014 22:07 GMT
#381
This. fucking. show. so good. Beautiful pictures again i dont know how the director manage their budget.....

We are getting a body from Hannibal afterall haha, Jack's wife was a lucky girl. But really, if you were a FBI, grab that pack of blood/meat and gtfo man.

+ Show Spoiler +
As expected this season is about catching hannibal and the killer of the copycat's copycat's copycat is another person heh.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 22 2014 22:18 GMT
#382
On March 22 2014 20:34 Asha` wrote:
I am genuinely finding parts of this seasons Hannibal unsettling. The atmosphere is so heavy and there's a really pervasive sense of evil whenever something is even slightly related to Hannibal himself. Mads presence is truly fantastic, and the music is doing huge amounts of work too.

Talk about shit hitting the fan about the end of this weeks episode. RIP Ms Katz I guess.


And it was a homage to the scene where Clarice first meets Lecter in SotL. <3
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-23 00:30:55
March 23 2014 00:30 GMT
#383
One thing i've learned watching tv/movies is that when you're searching through someones house while you think they are away somewhere you end up dead... they never learn
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
March 23 2014 03:33 GMT
#384
Consistently amazed at how beautiful and repulsive this show manages to be at the same time <3 <3 <3
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 23 2014 18:47 GMT
#385
Latest episode was simply awesome... I WANT MOAR NAO!
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-23 23:45:55
March 23 2014 23:45 GMT
#386
Good episode. Striking how Bella just made a truly gruesome decision and confides in Hannibal by choosing his office to die in, as well as telling him he made her realize death could be a cure instead of something dreadful - and he responds by casually flipping a coin to decide whether to let her have her peace or not. LOL, this guy.. Such a beastly performance by Mikkelsen
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
March 24 2014 04:57 GMT
#387
Hannibal is giving me chills. Just an incredible show all around. The atmosphere, the music and the writing are all just so.. well done. Very scary, very unsettling and very foreboding. This last episode was.. oh man. So twisted. Love it.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 29 2014 03:29 GMT
#388
Another A episode.
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
March 29 2014 11:22 GMT
#389
Thanks for reminding me! I don't need to return after watching the episode cause I know it will be superb.
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
March 29 2014 13:53 GMT
#390
This show just gets better and better. Also had bad ass did Mads look in the last scene of last weeks episode. Damn!
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
March 29 2014 15:22 GMT
#391
omg lol that trailer for next week. Another A episode indeed. This is how CG is supposed to be used for, this show is so damn beautiful....

We are near the end of the season i guess.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
March 29 2014 15:50 GMT
#392
On March 30 2014 00:22 BurningSera wrote:
omg lol that trailer for next week. Another A episode indeed. This is how CG is supposed to be used for, this show is so damn beautiful....

We are near the end of the season i guess.


We have another 8 episodes left!
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
March 29 2014 20:18 GMT
#393
I love the second Season two far. The first season had that 'one crazy murder case per episode' typical tv show feel, but the second season is really plot and character driven so far.
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
March 29 2014 22:13 GMT
#394
Spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +
Pretty awful what happened to dear miss Katz. Horrendous crime scene
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
March 30 2014 15:47 GMT
#395
God this show is seriously becoming one of the best I've watched in a long time. Great episode, great season so far, and that preview for next week? I can't wait.

Really hoping this show picks up in viewership, would love to see how this whole series would play out should it get it's full life.
Long live the King of Wings
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
April 05 2014 10:34 GMT
#396
That thigh scene...
Lemonerer
Profile Joined April 2011
Israel135 Posts
April 05 2014 11:54 GMT
#397
Who was the woman FBI guy found?
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden880 Posts
April 05 2014 12:04 GMT
#398
this show is really growing on me, first season was so-so. this season started better but little bit so-so. Now its my favourite show that im watching atm, (behind game of thrones but that is just a few months every year)
Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
April 05 2014 12:14 GMT
#399
On April 05 2014 20:54 Lemonerer wrote:
Who was the woman FBI guy found?


Jack found Miriam Lass. She was his star student that came to close to the Ripper when she found a drawing Hannibal had liying around on his office desk.Until this episode she was believed to be dead. Also, the Ripper sent her arm to Jack back in season 1 at some point.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
April 05 2014 20:09 GMT
#400
I've always based how good a show is on how it makes me feel and what I think the show wants to make me feel.

Hannibal has done that really well in the last few episodes.

The scene with Hannibal and Alana together in bed was quite perfect in that sense. The perverseness that it evokes, absolutely disgusting.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 20:32:50
April 05 2014 20:32 GMT
#401
This show. So. Good. But now Miriam will reveal Hannibal unless theres some dumb twist such as the fact that Jack goes at it alone and she dies just before talking etc.

Either way, how come more people dont watch this? I watch so many series, and Hannibal truly is amazing. This thread deserves more posts then the GoT's thread.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 21:22:39
April 05 2014 21:21 GMT
#402
On April 06 2014 05:32 unkkz wrote:
This show. So. Good. But now Miriam will reveal Hannibal unless theres some dumb twist such as the fact that Jack goes at it alone and she dies just before talking etc.


100% Hannibal left Miriam there to fuck with Jack imo.

We know how super careful and meticulous Hannibal is. I'm pretty sure he mapped Jack to Miriam's location with those clues he left behind in the crime scenes. I don't know whether he's just mentally fucked her up in the years since he abducted her or if there's something else going on entirely, but I am convinced that this is just another step in Hannibal's design.
Mooshfu
Profile Joined August 2010
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-05 23:45:28
April 05 2014 23:44 GMT
#403
omfg this show...

Personally, I love it even more than GoT. Thing about GoT is the books were great in themselves.

edit: I wonder if Hannibal wants Will released so that they can, in a sense, have an opportunity to oust each other. I don't think Hannibal can resist challenging the rare man who can match (maybe) his intellect.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
April 06 2014 01:37 GMT
#404
On April 06 2014 08:44 Mooshfu wrote:
omfg this show...

Personally, I love it even more than GoT. Thing about GoT is the books were great in themselves.


Red Dragon and The Silence of the Lambs are pretty good books too, yo.

Though this show has become something almost entirely different.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 06 2014 02:55 GMT
#405
Lol the GoT and Hannibal comparison.

Ironic that both of them are in the final round for the best show on Hulu

http://www.hulu.com/bestinshow

Get your votes in if you want Hannibal season 3.



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HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
April 06 2014 05:01 GMT
#406
man, this show... on that last scene i was actually shaking, hoping not to be alana in that dark basement.
It's all about the reflections of freedom. Even though he hoped for a better world, with all his strenght, all his will, the most he could do was to make her smile.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
April 06 2014 08:43 GMT
#407
This show is so tense. I can't eat when I am watching it, not even candy. The atmosphere is top notch, and its both beautiful and gross at the same time.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-06 20:34:45
April 06 2014 20:30 GMT
#408
There is no justice in this world if this show gets cancelled, just none. I mean not even a lot of people on TL are watching it which is weird, since TL is normally way ahead of the general population when it comes to picking up good shows.

And what the poster above me said, the atmosphere in this show is just.. it's just "normal" situations most of the time but since the viewer have some extra information, it just get's so damn eerie with only a few subtleties. The sound and music help a lot here as well, they're just sensational. What does the critics say about this show btw? Breaking bad had poor ratings in the start but the reviews helped a lot.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 06 2014 21:19 GMT
#409
On April 07 2014 05:30 unkkz wrote:
There is no justice in this world if this show gets cancelled, just none. I mean not even a lot of people on TL are watching it which is weird, since TL is normally way ahead of the general population when it comes to picking up good shows.

And what the poster above me said, the atmosphere in this show is just.. it's just "normal" situations most of the time but since the viewer have some extra information, it just get's so damn eerie with only a few subtleties. The sound and music help a lot here as well, they're just sensational. What does the critics say about this show btw? Breaking bad had poor ratings in the start but the reviews helped a lot.


Hannibal really isn't for the "general population of America". It has been getting great reviews from avid critics that can internalize the amount of intensity but for your regular joe that just want a procedural light hearted show for fun-times, I can understand why they are turned away by the show's dramatic moments. This very well attributed to Hannibal's low Nielsen ratings.

I've heard that Bryan Fuller said that there were some other networks that were willing to pick up Hannibal if NBC's deal doesn't fall through so there is always that insurance nets. But I've also heard that STX Soul's president saying that they will most certainly keep sponsoring that team after they won PL so that's something else to consider.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-07 12:47:24
April 07 2014 12:23 GMT
#410
Sick episode. Man, that dinner party was funny haha,imagine if he really used the human meat lol

Somehow I think sleeping with Hannibal (and openly letting people know) would be the best way to avoid getting killed + Show Spoiler +
(except...that would be the reason leads to the fighting scene with Jack back in this season pilot episode....?)
.
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
April 07 2014 14:58 GMT
#411
Hannibal just continues to deliver. That thigh scene was chilling.
Long live the King of Wings
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-12 04:09:13
April 12 2014 04:03 GMT
#412
A- grade this week. The mandatory retard ball is starting to get excruciating, but damn if Hannibal doesn't know how to pull off a coup. Shout out to Anna Chlumsky for a great performance. She and Raul Esparza deserve Supporting Actor nominations this year (and give one to Gina Torres for getting robbed last season).

+ Show Spoiler +
RIP Frederick Chilton, you hilariously sleazy slimeball.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
April 12 2014 04:10 GMT
#413
Damn, now Lecter can't have "an old friend for dinner".
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 12 2014 04:46 GMT
#414
No!!! They killed off the comedy relief character!

That line about Chilton wanting to stay alive as his personal agenda and that he would want to remain alive for any foreseeable future got 10/10 of my chuckle points.

What I like is that Hugh Dancy stepped up his game to be more aggressive and proactive in his acts nowadays, now that's some character development.

But seriously, I sincerely hope that Chilton isn't dead. In SotL, he is suppose to make it till then.
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
April 12 2014 04:58 GMT
#415
The moment Crawford caught Chilton i think he realised that he isn't the killer, you could see it in his face after he saw Chilton pretty much shit himself.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
April 12 2014 08:39 GMT
#416
I'm hoping beyond reason that Chilton is still alive despite Will saying otherwise. The shot went through the cheek rather than the more classic TV lethal headshot choices so there's a small chance that Will is trying to manipulate Hannibal with that info.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
April 12 2014 08:49 GMT
#417
I like how Will's appearance changed at the end, like he wasn't all scruffy anymore and has his shit together before confronting Lecter again.
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malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
April 12 2014 12:00 GMT
#418
anyone knows how many seasons this has been renewed for? personally, I don't want it to go on for too long.
jaymik
Profile Joined November 2009
Korea (South)425 Posts
April 12 2014 12:06 GMT
#419
On April 12 2014 21:00 malcram wrote:
anyone knows how many seasons this has been renewed for? personally, I don't want it to go on for too long.


there are no news of a season 3 yet which is disappointing
jaymik kr/na
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
April 12 2014 12:06 GMT
#420
On April 12 2014 21:00 malcram wrote:
anyone knows how many seasons this has been renewed for? personally, I don't want it to go on for too long.


They have an overall vision for as many as 7 seasons if needed.

It's not even been renewed for a third yet though.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
April 12 2014 12:21 GMT
#421
at this juncture, 3 seasons feels like just enough. lol
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
April 12 2014 16:11 GMT
#422
WHAT. Chiltern is dead lol??? Who would be the doctor in SotL then?? That comical moment of seeing him died by meriam's hand >_> Don't quite like the direction they are going but high quality as always. Goddamn that murder scene in Childtern's house is beautiful.....
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
April 12 2014 17:53 GMT
#423
On April 12 2014 13:58 Daray wrote:
The moment Crawford caught Chilton i think he realised that he isn't the killer, you could see it in his face after he saw Chilton pretty much shit himself.

Basically my thoughts. Chilton seemed so scared, so deathly afraid. The characteristics and the personality they've built for the ripper hardly fits with a coward.

Really hoping for Chilton to not be dead. And really hoping this gets renewed for a third season.
Long live the King of Wings
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
April 12 2014 18:07 GMT
#424
There is like a zero chance that this gets cancelled.

If i recall correctly Fuller said that after seasons one he had multiple networks interested in continuing the series if NBC decided to drop it, and with it still receiving praises left and right it should be a no brainer, especially for a premium cable channel that does not have to worry about live-numbers at all.

Really interested in the upcoming episodes. Would be a shame if Chilton is dead, but a with a Will who wants to beat Hannibal at his own game rather than just killing him - this should be interesting.
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 13 2014 02:04 GMT
#425
I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
April 13 2014 03:13 GMT
#426
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote:
I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?

He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 04:19:56
April 13 2014 03:33 GMT
#427
On April 13 2014 12:13 Assault_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote:
I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?

He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?


Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.

The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.

The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.

The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption.

^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).

Then I think SotL is the fifth season where Clarice gets introduced?

then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.

And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.
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Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
April 13 2014 03:45 GMT
#428
On April 13 2014 12:33 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 12:13 Assault_1 wrote:
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote:
I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?

He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?


Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.

The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.

The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.

The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.

^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).

Then I think SotL is the fifth season?

then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.

And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.

Howcome fuller gives out so many spoilers?
manicsquare
Profile Joined June 2010
176 Posts
April 13 2014 03:51 GMT
#429
On April 13 2014 12:45 Assault_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 12:33 Xiphos wrote:
On April 13 2014 12:13 Assault_1 wrote:
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote:
I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?

He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?


Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.

The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.

The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.

The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.

^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).

Then I think SotL is the fifth season?

then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.

And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.

Howcome fuller gives out so many spoilers?


Most of this isn't really spoilers just Fuller stating what he thinks the direction of the show. The only time he really spoils the show is when he does an interview with A.V. Club the day after new episodes premiere.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-13 04:03:07
April 13 2014 04:02 GMT
#430
On April 13 2014 12:33 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 12:13 Assault_1 wrote:
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote:
I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?

He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?


Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.

The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.

The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.

The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.

^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).

Then I think SotL is the fifth season?

then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.

And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.


Did he say that Clarice Starling would be introduced in the fourth season? If season 4 is the Red Dragon season, then there is zero need to introduce her; aside from a brief mention at the end of the 2002 adaptation (and only that one), she isn't involved in the events of Red Dragon at all.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 13 2014 04:19 GMT
#431
On April 13 2014 12:45 Assault_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 12:33 Xiphos wrote:
On April 13 2014 12:13 Assault_1 wrote:
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote:
I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?

He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?


Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.

The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.

The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.

The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.

^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).

Then I think SotL is the fifth season?

then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.

And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.

Howcome fuller gives out so many spoilers?


I don't watch for the destination anyways.

I watch it because of the euphoric atmosphere it emerges me.

If Hitchcock and David Lynch collaborated together, this would be their product.

On April 13 2014 13:02 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2014 12:33 Xiphos wrote:
On April 13 2014 12:13 Assault_1 wrote:
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote:
I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?

He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?


Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.

The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.

The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.

The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.

^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).

Then I think SotL is the fifth season?

then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.

And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.


Did he say that Clarice Starling would be introduced in the fourth season? If season 4 is the Red Dragon season, then there is zero need to introduce her; aside from a brief mention at the end of the 2002 adaptation (and only that one), she isn't involved in the events of Red Dragon at all.


Oh, I've made a hasty mistakes there. Haha.
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Painmaker
Profile Joined December 2010
Uruguay230 Posts
April 15 2014 04:17 GMT
#432
Is it wrong that I want... no no... NEED to see Alana Bloom dead before this series is over?
It's a good day to die
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
April 15 2014 22:11 GMT
#433
On April 15 2014 13:17 Painmaker wrote:
Is it wrong that I want... no no... NEED to see Alana Bloom dead before this series is over?


You're not the only one.

(I'm not one of them though)
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
April 18 2014 14:39 GMT
#434
I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.
aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
April 18 2014 21:57 GMT
#435
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.


Oh god xD You made me laugh so hard
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 18 2014 22:18 GMT
#436
I would have traded Beverly's death for Alana's ez pz
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
April 18 2014 23:26 GMT
#437
Hahah yeah. :D God darn its a pity i dont live in the US sometimes, debating whether to stay up for the episode or not to...
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aXa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
France748 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-18 23:37:25
April 18 2014 23:36 GMT
#438
On April 19 2014 08:26 Thalandros wrote:
Hahah yeah. :D God darn its a pity i dont live in the US sometimes, debating whether to stay up for the episode or not to...


That makes me wondering ... They are multiple timezones in the US, so when an episode gets released, which timezone gets the release first? And do channels rerun the episode multiple times a day so people can watch it at the same hour the same day?
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
April 18 2014 23:41 GMT
#439
goddamn i was thinking that whether should i watch it live or where should i go for that.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 02:22:38
April 19 2014 02:19 GMT
#440
just like a turducken

edit: hahaha, that was Fuller's intent:

https://twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/457342640686526464/photo/1
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
April 19 2014 03:14 GMT
#441
Hannibal plays his hand at the end, so chilling.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-19 22:12:11
April 19 2014 19:44 GMT
#442
Gruesome. Bloody. Shivers everywhere. Very Nice.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
April 19 2014 20:41 GMT
#443
Man, I feel like I get the opposite reaction to a lot of people here. Whenever I watch this show, I end up getting hungry.

I'd love a 'Cooking With Hannibal' book. One that uses normal meats though, not literally cooking with Hannibal.
you gotta dance
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 19 2014 20:59 GMT
#444
On April 20 2014 05:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Man, I feel like I get the opposite reaction to a lot of people here. Whenever I watch this show, I end up getting hungry.

I'd love a 'Cooking With Hannibal' book. One that uses normal meats though, not literally cooking with Hannibal.


Have fun collecting all the ingredients!
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Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
April 20 2014 05:12 GMT
#445
On April 19 2014 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Hannibal plays his hand at the end, so chilling.

what do you mean? I wish I was better at figuring out these things
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 20 2014 05:23 GMT
#446
On April 20 2014 14:12 Assault_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Hannibal plays his hand at the end, so chilling.

what do you mean? I wish I was better at figuring out these things


"I can only hatch the cocoon, whisper through the chrysalis. But what hatches out of it is based upon on one's own nature."
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Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
April 20 2014 19:09 GMT
#447
Did anyone notice the weirdo from last episode also played the weirdo guy from Lost? At least he looked like him..
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-20 22:14:31
April 20 2014 22:12 GMT
#448
On April 21 2014 04:09 Assault_1 wrote:
Did anyone notice the weirdo from last episode also played the weirdo guy from Lost? At least he looked like him..


Jeremy Davies was Daniel Faraday on Lost.

On April 20 2014 14:12 Assault_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2014 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Hannibal plays his hand at the end, so chilling.

what do you mean? I wish I was better at figuring out these things


Hannibal straight up admits that he was deliberately manipulating Will to be a killer. This also means he is not afraid that Will would go to the FBI with this information, therefore taking Will into his confidence.
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
April 24 2014 02:42 GMT
#449
So, not quite what I was looking for, but I found a blog ran by Hannibal's 'food stylist', Janice Poon.

Not really a cookbook, but it's very interesting seeing how some of the food choices are made, and how she decides on how to present the food, or even some things like replacements she has to use for what the food's supposed to be, since the actors need to eat the food a lot of the time. For example, in the very first episode, the lung that Hannibal's preparing is apparently actually food-coloured mortadella.

Even if there's no recipes, it's also cool to see what the dishes are actually called and supposed to be. I also really like the hand-drawn sketches of the dishes.

Check it out: http://janicepoonart.blogspot.ca/
you gotta dance
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
April 25 2014 16:20 GMT
#450
I'm 3 episodes into the first season and I have to say that this show is incredible. Every episode is super tense so far and I've loved every minute of it. Will is an incredibly interesting character and every actor is absolutely brilliant; Laurence Fishburne isn't even the biggest stand out actor out of all of them. I had heard great things about this show but it's definitely above and beyond my expectations.
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
April 25 2014 21:25 GMT
#451
On April 19 2014 06:57 aXa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.


Oh god xD You made me laugh so hard


cant stop laughing at this ;D last 4 words made this statement perfect ;D
President of the ReaL Fan Club.
Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 06:02:05
April 26 2014 05:48 GMT
#452
Oh man, this show is so fucking good. The ending to this episode was amazing.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
April 26 2014 17:47 GMT
#453
Holyshit. Pictures.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Maand
Profile Joined April 2010
326 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 20:40:18
April 26 2014 20:39 GMT
#454
As someone who aspires to become psychotherapist in the future every time they showed therapy bits I was both angry and confused. I kept thinking "this is not how therapy is supposed to be"

How foolish I was, realizing so late that they never intended to show therapy, nor does Hannibal perform it at any point in the series. It was clearly highlighted in the last episode, more than his "molding" of the beast-boy, but by Will saying he is (Hannibal) a good persuader.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 27 2014 01:24 GMT
#455
On April 27 2014 05:39 Maand wrote:
As someone who aspires to become psychotherapist in the future every time they showed therapy bits I was both angry and confused. I kept thinking "this is not how therapy is supposed to be"

How foolish I was, realizing so late that they never intended to show therapy, nor does Hannibal perform it at any point in the series. It was clearly highlighted in the last episode, more than his "molding" of the beast-boy, but by Will saying he is (Hannibal) a good persuader.


So Hannibal's therapy are just a way to persuade others to kill?

That's certain another perspective.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
April 27 2014 01:47 GMT
#456
On April 27 2014 05:39 Maand wrote:
As someone who aspires to become psychotherapist in the future every time they showed therapy bits I was both angry and confused. I kept thinking "this is not how therapy is supposed to be"


The sociopath cannibal isn't a good therapist?

who'da thunk
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
April 27 2014 14:30 GMT
#457
Great episode. And now I'm desperate for the next. When I first started watching Hannibal I can't say I pictured Will Graham becoming what he is now.
Long live the King of Wings
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
April 29 2014 15:32 GMT
#458
Anyone that can answer me what the episode names mean? They sound japanese? And.. why are they named like this?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
April 29 2014 15:34 GMT
#459
On April 30 2014 00:32 unkkz wrote:
Anyone that can answer me what the episode names mean? They sound japanese? And.. why are they named like this?


They are Japanese delicacies much like the first season are based upon French ones.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 23:12:29
April 29 2014 22:47 GMT
#460
Just watched the entirety of Season 1. Easily the most stressful show I've ever watched, but also the most encapsulating. I've never felt so drawn to any character as I am Mikkelsen's Hannibal and Dancy's Will Graham. The end of the first season was gripping and makes me frustrated with so much, but it also leaves me desiring so much more. I've loved every murder, every crime, and the way that everything is being tied together is lovely.

I also love how they focus on certain things early on in the episode or season and then bring them up later more subtly.

+ Show Spoiler +
For instance the psychological driving or whatever it's called. Hannibal said how he supports unorthodox methods of treatment, but the driving was only briefly mentioned twice. I started to realize how Hannibal was driving Will early on, but I don't think the fullness of the situation was revealed until the last episode when his psychiatrist says that he is drawn to violent patients.Her hesitation when eating the "veal" also brought into plain sight the relationship between her and Dr. Lecter. It seems more like Stockholm Syndrome or some kind of captor/captive relationship than anything else, like she is scared of him and wishes to basically remain off his dining table.

If I had to guess she will be one of the people killed next season, but I have lots of speculation as to who will be killed and who won't. I've been trying so hard not to spoil the show for myself, and it's been a real treat watching everything unfold.


I have to say that I think this show may have me more interested than any other show. It may not be as good as Breaking Bad was at its finest, but for its first season this show is remarkable. I am absolutely in love with it and have to thank Teamliquid for having a thread about it. Absolutely awesome show and I recommend that everyone who can stomach the violence watch it. I've never been upset by violence or gore, but I'd have to say at least one or two scenes bothered me on at least some level at first. This show is great and really plays to the human fear of insanity and, even worse, being unaware of your own insanity.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 23:21:19
April 30 2014 03:15 GMT
#461
Season 2 has not disappointed so far
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 03 2014 02:35 GMT
#462
NO NO NO

THIS IS SO WRONG, SO RIGHT, SO WRONG
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 03 2014 03:02 GMT
#463
Soooo goood!

Was expecting manage @ 3 from Hannigram + Bloom but instead was blown away by what came subsequently.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 03:06:47
May 03 2014 03:06 GMT
#464
On May 03 2014 12:02 Xiphos wrote:
Soooo goood!

Was expecting manage @ 3 from Hannigram + Bloom but instead was blown away by what came subsequently.


+ Show Spoiler +
Non-proclivity for parts be damned, Margot was rocking it tonight. Would've taken some superhuman willpower to turn that down.

Also, Freddie can't be dead. They already took away my Chilton, this is too much. :'(
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 03 2014 03:07 GMT
#465
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.

You might want to be careful of what you wish for.
you gotta dance
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 03:22:28
May 03 2014 03:15 GMT
#466
On May 03 2014 12:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 12:02 Xiphos wrote:
Soooo goood!

Was expecting manage @ 3 from Hannigram + Bloom but instead was blown away by what came subsequently.


+ Show Spoiler +
Non-proclivity for parts be damned, Margot was rocking it tonight. Would've taken some superhuman willpower to turn that down.

Also, Freddie can't be dead. They already took away my Chilton, this is too much. :'(


+ Show Spoiler +
Chilton isn't dead Bryan Fuller tweeted it. + Remember what Will said to Jack? That they should bait the prey what he wants in order to catch him in the act (unless he actually is talking about fishing -_-). What I figured is that Will have been feeding the beast guy to Hannibal while hiding Freddie to misdirect Hannibal.


Btw.

Best line of the episode: "You can slice the ginger" - Hannibal.

Such subtleties.

Have we ever got a show where it takes its long sweet time to develop the characters?

Most shows want to jump to the next punchline as quickly as possible but Hannibal is simply maximizing the tension before loading up the next bullet.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 03 2014 03:20 GMT
#467
On May 03 2014 12:15 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 12:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 03 2014 12:02 Xiphos wrote:
Soooo goood!

Was expecting manage @ 3 from Hannigram + Bloom but instead was blown away by what came subsequently.


+ Show Spoiler +
Non-proclivity for parts be damned, Margot was rocking it tonight. Would've taken some superhuman willpower to turn that down.

Also, Freddie can't be dead. They already took away my Chilton, this is too much. :'(


+ Show Spoiler +
Chilton isn't dead Bryan Fuller tweeted it. + Remember what Will said to Jack? That they should bait the prey what he wants in order to catch him in the act (unless he actually is talking about fishing -_-). What I figured is that Will have been feeding the beast guy to Hannibal while hiding Freddie to misdirect Hannibal.




+ Show Spoiler +
I know but he's probably going to be gone at least until Season 4. He'll come back with a fashionable scar on his cheek, serving spam and week-old stale bread to a locked up Hannibal. But I don't wanna wait that long!

I agree. If Will did cross that line, it would completely destroy the game he's trying to run and it would ruin the fundamental aspect of his character.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3519 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 04:20:34
May 03 2014 04:20 GMT
#468
I guess I'm the only one who thinks the show has gone downhill in the last few episodes. I feel like the music is old, I don't care about any of the characters any more, I'm tired of WIll's hallucinations, tired of the music, and feel like the director told all the actors to speak in monotone. Now the episodes are 3/4 Will hallucinating while characters that I don't care about any more have pointless conversations. It doesn't feel like there is a sense of danger that Hannibal can get caught now.
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 03 2014 04:33 GMT
#469


The preview for next week contains a scene very similar to this. hmmm
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
May 03 2014 06:02 GMT
#470
SLICING THE GINGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER.

Seriously though, so well-done it's almost scary t.t
jaerak
Profile Joined January 2010
United States124 Posts
May 03 2014 08:53 GMT
#471
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.


...
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
May 03 2014 09:14 GMT
#472
slicing the ginger was a good one.

But did no one catch "I enjoy putting a face to the man" ? Lol...
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
May 03 2014 11:11 GMT
#473
Holy shit this episode, I can't believe what's happening. And then there's the preview too. OMG
I want to see the next episode of Hannibal more than I want to see the next ep of GoT now.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
May 03 2014 11:50 GMT
#474
man Fuller's really turned the crazy dial up past 11 but so far it's working. The facial expressions of Laurence Fishburne were hilarious.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 17:19:14
May 03 2014 17:18 GMT
#475
On May 03 2014 13:20 goswser wrote:
I guess I'm the only one who thinks the show has gone downhill in the last few episodes. I feel like the music is old, I don't care about any of the characters any more, I'm tired of WIll's hallucinations, tired of the music, and feel like the director told all the actors to speak in monotone. Now the episodes are 3/4 Will hallucinating while characters that I don't care about any more have pointless conversations. It doesn't feel like there is a sense of danger that Hannibal can get caught now.


We know he's going to get exposed by the end of this season. I think there's been a tonal problem in the last two episodes though.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 08:32:58
May 04 2014 08:27 GMT
#476
Sick sick sick sick sick episode omg too many good scenes in this episode.

+ Show Spoiler +
i am hoping the reporter is not dead, they are eating the meat from the animal guy.


and ya, it is best to kill the economic animals without letting them knowing/fear, the extreme example is ostrich their meat won't even be sell-able if you caused them panic before killing them. That's why hannibal usually eats inside organs of the victim, a good chef who knows his meat.

and then that preview of next episode >_> now next saturday is so far away...

On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.


i loled when i read this first time and now i cant stop laughing while watching the show haha.

How can anyone not love this show? Even for the fan service they do it by style and class lol
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Evil_Monkey_
Profile Joined May 2003
Denmark296 Posts
May 04 2014 08:42 GMT
#477
I have watched a bit of this series because I love the movies and Mads is a fellow Dane and Fishbourne is cool, it's obvious they've also spent a lot of money on this. What I do wish though was that this series had the same quality writing&script, to be honest I find it extremely unintelligent, predictable and without a hint of realism. This is really and truly utterly sad, as they are trying to achieve the opposite. Despite the series having a wealth of acting talent, stylish filming&camera work, money, the only thing they have achieved is a Terminator 3 or 4. In other words, an utterly disastrous abomination on the screen.
........
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 04 2014 09:24 GMT
#478
On May 03 2014 12:15 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 12:06 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 03 2014 12:02 Xiphos wrote:
Soooo goood!

Was expecting manage @ 3 from Hannigram + Bloom but instead was blown away by what came subsequently.


+ Show Spoiler +
Non-proclivity for parts be damned, Margot was rocking it tonight. Would've taken some superhuman willpower to turn that down.

Also, Freddie can't be dead. They already took away my Chilton, this is too much. :'(


+ Show Spoiler +
Chilton isn't dead Bryan Fuller tweeted it. + Remember what Will said to Jack? That they should bait the prey what he wants in order to catch him in the act (unless he actually is talking about fishing -_-). What I figured is that Will have been feeding the beast guy to Hannibal while hiding Freddie to misdirect Hannibal.


+ Show Spoiler +
Yeah I'm fairly certain Will fed Hannibal the animal guy. Right before Freddie shot at him, Will said "I'm not going to let you go until you hear what I have to say. This is all a game to bait Hannibal. So much patience from Will, which I guess makes sense considering his love of fishing.

The last few episodes have really gotten my heart racing. So much tension, I can't wait for the next episode. Only three episodes left. Good god. And we still have the Jack vs Hannibal scene coming. So much to look forward to.
Long live the King of Wings
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
May 04 2014 10:02 GMT
#479
On May 04 2014 17:42 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
I have watched a bit of this series because I love the movies and Mads is a fellow Dane and Fishbourne is cool, it's obvious they've also spent a lot of money on this. What I do wish though was that this series had the same quality writing&script, to be honest I find it extremely unintelligent, predictable and without a hint of realism. This is really and truly utterly sad, as they are trying to achieve the opposite. Despite the series having a wealth of acting talent, stylish filming&camera work, money, the only thing they have achieved is a Terminator 3 or 4. In other words, an utterly disastrous abomination on the screen.

I would have to completely disagree, but I guess that you're entitled to your opinion. I personally do not watch TV for realistic shows most of the time, but I could understand why someone would be frustrated that it's unrealistic. It seems futile though; I mean we're watching a show about a freaking cannibal who is a mass murderer and basically pushes his clients to do the same. Of course it's not realistic. It's fun though, and I don't think most of it has been predictable. I think some of the plot points have been predictable + Show Spoiler +
I think most people saw Will having the potential to be a killer from a few episodes away
. but a lot of it has been suspenseful and I thought that they had good twists. Honestly, I can't really think of any popular show on TV that is realistic. Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Dexter -- none of them are realistic. I guess with each show it's just the degree you let its being unrealistic bother you.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 04 2014 14:15 GMT
#480
On May 04 2014 19:02 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
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On May 04 2014 17:42 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
I have watched a bit of this series because I love the movies and Mads is a fellow Dane and Fishbourne is cool, it's obvious they've also spent a lot of money on this. What I do wish though was that this series had the same quality writing&script, to be honest I find it extremely unintelligent, predictable and without a hint of realism. This is really and truly utterly sad, as they are trying to achieve the opposite. Despite the series having a wealth of acting talent, stylish filming&camera work, money, the only thing they have achieved is a Terminator 3 or 4. In other words, an utterly disastrous abomination on the screen.

I would have to completely disagree, but I guess that you're entitled to your opinion. I personally do not watch TV for realistic shows most of the time, but I could understand why someone would be frustrated that it's unrealistic. It seems futile though; I mean we're watching a show about a freaking cannibal who is a mass murderer and basically pushes his clients to do the same. Of course it's not realistic. It's fun though, and I don't think most of it has been predictable. I think some of the plot points have been predictable + Show Spoiler +
I think most people saw Will having the potential to be a killer from a few episodes away
. but a lot of it has been suspenseful and I thought that they had good twists. Honestly, I can't really think of any popular show on TV that is realistic. Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Dexter -- none of them are realistic. I guess with each show it's just the degree you let its being unrealistic bother you.


In real life, Walter wouldn't even make it pass season 1 without getting caught.

However said, Mad Men is probably the "most" realistic show out of the list.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
May 04 2014 15:07 GMT
#481
I was typing something to reply Evil monkey post but i decided to not be bothered. I work closely with lab and patients' tissues/bodies so I am pretty sure I know what is 'realism' if he meant the technical stuffs in the show; otherwise his points are pointless because the law enforcement related plots etc are unreal in any show/movie anyway.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 17:15:09
May 04 2014 17:07 GMT
#482
Realism is a plague that has ruined television for me over the last decade. So I'm pretty happy that this show decides to completely forgo it. Unlike many shows I could name, it's not guilty of being pretentious in attempting to imitate real life for its own sake. Hannibal does have issues but they are unrelated to the portrayal of its fictional world.
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Evil_Monkey_
Profile Joined May 2003
Denmark296 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 17:45:32
May 04 2014 17:41 GMT
#483
Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies.

When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 04 2014 18:05 GMT
#484
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manicsquare
Profile Joined June 2010
176 Posts
May 04 2014 19:20 GMT
#485
On May 05 2014 02:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies.

When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew.


While I agree about the amount of serial killers they show all being live and operating at the same time gets a bit ridiculous at times that's not the point of the show. The show isn't trying to be plausible it gives up plausibility to try to be more atmospheric. Think of the show as a really dark fairy tale instead of a realistic serial killer thriller. And in response to them messing with the movies and books Bryan Fuller has said that he wants to use those more for inspirations instead of having to follow them religiously. Also I'm curious as to what you consider great original movies. I would argue only Silence of the Lambs and Manhunter are really worth watching with the former being the only movie that really can compete in quality with the show.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 04 2014 21:09 GMT
#486
On May 05 2014 04:20 manicsquare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 02:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies.

When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew.


While I agree about the amount of serial killers they show all being live and operating at the same time gets a bit ridiculous at times that's not the point of the show. The show isn't trying to be plausible it gives up plausibility to try to be more atmospheric. Think of the show as a really dark fairy tale instead of a realistic serial killer thriller. And in response to them messing with the movies and books Bryan Fuller has said that he wants to use those more for inspirations instead of having to follow them religiously. Also I'm curious as to what you consider great original movies. I would argue only Silence of the Lambs and Manhunter are really worth watching with the former being the only movie that really can compete in quality with the show.


Bryan Fuller also said that he wants this show to be what if Hitchcock and Lynch collaborated together.

Hitchcock for the suspense induction and Lynch for the fantastical and surrealistic graphics.

I think this show fulfill exactly those two criteria.
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manicsquare
Profile Joined June 2010
176 Posts
May 04 2014 23:49 GMT
#487
Yea the cinematography of this show is absolutely amazing. I don't think I've ever seen a tv show or movie that has looked this nice.

I also like how Fuller is willing to kill off pretty much any character to add suspense.
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
May 05 2014 00:19 GMT
#488
what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter.
And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases.

Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes*
HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
May 05 2014 01:06 GMT
#489
On May 05 2014 09:19 Assault_1 wrote:
what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter.
And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases.

Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes*


Do you even get any of this show, at all? Seriously..
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Evil_Monkey_
Profile Joined May 2003
Denmark296 Posts
May 05 2014 03:40 GMT
#490
On May 05 2014 09:19 Assault_1 wrote:
what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter.
And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases.

Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes*


Finally, someone who shares some of my sentiments about the writing. Anyway, all in all I just think they could've done better with the resources available to them.
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manicsquare
Profile Joined June 2010
176 Posts
May 05 2014 03:48 GMT
#491
As has been mentioned the show isn't trying to be realistic at all. The goal of the show is to be more atmospheric and the decisions made are to create a certain feel and experience while watching. If you keep watching expecting the show to be super realistic you're going to be disappointed. Also I'm curious if you hate this so much how do you feel about Hannibal and Hannibal Rising?
Painmaker
Profile Joined December 2010
Uruguay230 Posts
May 05 2014 05:53 GMT
#492
On May 05 2014 02:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies.

When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew.



No! Shut up! The show is great! We don't need your gritty realizmzzz in here! Get out!


Seriously though, the show's atmosphere does a good enough job for me that I don't thin about how utterly insane it is.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 06:56:34
May 05 2014 06:45 GMT
#493
On May 05 2014 09:19 Assault_1 wrote:
what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter.
And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases.

Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes*


I find it funny that it looks like we are watching entirely different show lol (no offense here).

I think I can see why some people say it is unreal/stupid etc, and the key point here is that, Hannibal doesn't spoonfeed the viewers like most of the entertainment products out there nowadays.

About that part where Will owned the beast guy, oh yes we are pretty surprised that he crushed the mechanical bone mask but that only shows that how powerful and smart he is, that he knew that he can still own the beast guy without the gun (the meaning is actually bigger than what i wrote here), and when the demon/killer/sociopath side inside takes control over him he can be a mad MMA fighter yes. Too far-fetched? Well, if 'far fetched' is the word showed up in your mind after watching Hannibal episodes, i don't think it is a right show for the person.

And on a rather scientific point of view, fight or flight effect definitely possible to allow Will to do so (i am actually very nitpicking when it comes to human science etc) while i wouldn't mind to see bigger wound on Will's hands but that will give him straight away to morpheus so it is understandable...

And no, we don't know 100% if will set up the beast guy in the museum....(but i think it is quite obvious that it is the work of Hannibal, caused he told will to go rest etc...). And when you do something like that in a place with cctv, we automatically assume that hannibal is wearing something that won't show his identity (obviously something more than that killer suit) or he used some other method to achieve the same purpose (turning off cctv etc).

The team did suspect them, thats what the last few episodes of season1 and more than half of this season2 about lol. We get episodes to clear out Will and then now they are setting a trap for Hannibal since 2-4 episodes ago, and then we know that Morpheus will have a fight with Hannibal later.

About the Chilton is the ripper part, the team was rather unsure about that (i thought it is pretty obvious...) and that's why alana was asking him questions but then the intern girl shot him. Suspect died, what can you do about it.
Plot twist, Chilton might not be dead. Now back to my point again, this show doesn't spoon feed everything to the viewers.

and about the secured hospital part...I'll tell you why it didn't bother me.
1.Hospital doesn't have that high level of cctv, for patient's privacy/confidentiality etc. You can argue that well they should have one or two for Gideon's room,
2.Hannibal found a way to overpass them anyway, and then he overpowered the guards (or was it just one guard/police) and made a scene. How did he do that? We don't know. Maybe he used a blindspot, maybe he cut off the cctv temporary etc. Why did that bother you lol this dude is a professional killing machine.
3.He has showed us many times what is he capable of, like he just walk up and open the door facing 2 police officers and he massacred them in Chilton house. Just because the dude wears smartly 24/7 doesn't mean that he can't have some assassin-like skills while not to say that he is a brainy guy (i think the last book of hannibal explained how did he gain his killing techniques through experience/childhood).

anyway, compare to a supposedly realistic show like CSI, i can point out at least 10 technical 'unreal'/annoying flaws/plotholes in almost every episode but i still enjoyed it nonetheless (oh the show was excellent until Gil left ).

I guess it highly depends on the viewer choosing to watch the right show in the end of day. And, you know, this is a tvshow, I have never seen this quality of writing to cover so many episodes so well, most directors cant even put the story together in a 2.5 hours movie.
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Ohnoitztotoro
Profile Joined July 2013
United States45 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-05 16:55:49
May 05 2014 16:51 GMT
#494
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.


+ Show Spoiler +
What we all took as a joke somehow came true hahaha. I could not stop thinking about this comment when I watched this past episode. Just when you thought it was bizarre for Hannibal, Will and Alana to be in the same bed, Fuller decides to blow your mind by including Margot and Stagman to the party. What is better than a psychological threesome? a five-some :D


In regards to some people finding the show to be bad or too unrealistic, you are all entitled to your opinion. Of course everyone is different so the enjoyment each person gets from watching this show (or any other for that matter) will always differ. I honestly love this series though. There may be some unrealistic moments but overall I would have to disagree and say the show is far from being a poorly written story. I will be incredibly sad when season two ends.
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
May 05 2014 19:23 GMT
#495
Some interesting stuff going on for sure.

The scene where Will kills the beast with his bare hands was to show Will's inner beast or how he awoke it.
I'm curious about him going full Hannibal though. Has he given up on himself and trying to become Hannibal (or something greater than Hannibal) to beat him in his own game or what. If you can't beat Hannibal Lecter, join him.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 06 2014 02:31 GMT
#496
On May 06 2014 01:51 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.


+ Show Spoiler +
What we all took as a joke somehow came true hahaha. I could not stop thinking about this comment when I watched this past episode. Just when you thought it was bizarre for Hannibal, Will and Alana to be in the same bed, Fuller decides to blow your mind by including Margot and Stagman to the party. What is better than a psychological threesome? a five-some :D


In regards to some people finding the show to be bad or too unrealistic, you are all entitled to your opinion. Of course everyone is different so the enjoyment each person gets from watching this show (or any other for that matter) will always differ. I honestly love this series though. There may be some unrealistic moments but overall I would have to disagree and say the show is far from being a poorly written story. I will be incredibly sad when season two ends.


I won't!

Because that's when the fun REALLY starts.

Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season.

Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet.
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Ohnoitztotoro
Profile Joined July 2013
United States45 Posts
May 06 2014 23:22 GMT
#497
On May 06 2014 11:31 Xiphos wrote:

I won't!

Because that's when the fun REALLY starts.

Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season.

Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet.


Haha I meant when the season ends and we have to wait in agony while they go ahead and shoot season 3. I'm fairly certain the series will make it. If NBC won't renew them I am sure some other channel will come in to grab this show but I wonder how long we'll have to wait before the deal finalizes. Might be an extra wait for that to happen before they start shooting for the next season D:

For simplicity sake, I just hope NBC renews this quickly so we can all happily go insane while watching the new seasons. :D
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 00:21:02
May 07 2014 00:16 GMT
#498
On May 07 2014 08:22 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 11:31 Xiphos wrote:

I won't!

Because that's when the fun REALLY starts.

Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season.

Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet.


Haha I meant when the season ends and we have to wait in agony while they go ahead and shoot season 3. I'm fairly certain the series will make it. If NBC won't renew them I am sure some other channel will come in to grab this show but I wonder how long we'll have to wait before the deal finalizes. Might be an extra wait for that to happen before they start shooting for the next season D:

For simplicity sake, I just hope NBC renews this quickly so we can all happily go insane while watching the new seasons. :D


The schedule announcements for the fall season should be next week. Of course, if they do a Spring season again for Hannibal then this is useless.
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Evil_Monkey_
Profile Joined May 2003
Denmark296 Posts
May 07 2014 15:14 GMT
#499
On May 06 2014 04:23 Daray wrote:
Some interesting stuff going on for sure.

The scene where Will kills the beast with his bare hands was to show Will's inner beast or how he awoke it.
I'm curious about him going full Hannibal though. Has he given up on himself and trying to become Hannibal (or something greater than Hannibal) to beat him in his own game or what. If you can't beat Hannibal Lecter, join him.


Sorry for spoiling the plot.........but it's like 100% obvious that Will is hooking him like a fish -_-, this stuff being so painfully predictable is why they need new writers......
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
May 07 2014 20:16 GMT
#500
On May 08 2014 00:14 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 04:23 Daray wrote:
Some interesting stuff going on for sure.

The scene where Will kills the beast with his bare hands was to show Will's inner beast or how he awoke it.
I'm curious about him going full Hannibal though. Has he given up on himself and trying to become Hannibal (or something greater than Hannibal) to beat him in his own game or what. If you can't beat Hannibal Lecter, join him.


Sorry for spoiling the plot.........but it's like 100% obvious that Will is hooking him like a fish -_-, this stuff being so painfully predictable is why they need new writers......


Considering the show is about Will catching Hannibal im not expecting anything else. I'm just wondering if their take on it is that in order to beat evil you have to become evil yourself or whatever, kinda meh.
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
May 09 2014 18:03 GMT
#501
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/nbc-renews-hannibal-for-season-3

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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 10 2014 03:14 GMT
#502
That was a dick move, Hannibal.

Mason needs to eat a hot bowl of acid to the face.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-10 05:12:08
May 10 2014 04:53 GMT
#503
I was so hoping he'd die this episode

edit: wtf, she's alive ???
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 10 2014 05:11 GMT
#504
On May 10 2014 13:53 Reason wrote:
I was so hoping he'd die this episode


Don't worry, the delay will only make his inevitable mutilation all the more delightful.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-10 05:19:15
May 10 2014 05:12 GMT
#505
On May 10 2014 14:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2014 13:53 Reason wrote:
I was so hoping he'd die this episode


Don't worry, the delay will only make his inevitable mutilation all the more delightful.

Agreed

edit: LOL I'd never even contemplated *hot* acid before. Supercooled acid? :D
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
May 10 2014 11:22 GMT
#506
Kind of weak episode imo, but it seems like they're trying to set the pieces in place for the season finale. I can't say that I'm terribly surprised about Freddie, but I am surprised that she was in Jack's office. I'm hoping that she reveals about Hannibal, but I know that's not likely to happen. I wonder if Hannibal knows that she's alive and is just acting like she's dead or if he legitimately thought she died.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
May 11 2014 07:20 GMT
#507
On May 10 2014 20:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Kind of weak episode imo, but it seems like they're trying to set the pieces in place for the season finale. I can't say that I'm terribly surprised about Freddie, but I am surprised that she was in Jack's office. I'm hoping that she reveals about Hannibal, but I know that's not likely to happen. I wonder if Hannibal knows that she's alive and is just acting like she's dead or if he legitimately thought she died.

You never quite know with Hannibal, I wonder if he did his own personal check on the body himself when he dug it up, I don't know what he could have gathered though since it was burnt to a crisp. I was actually hoping they wouldn't go down the 'long con' route (a part of me wanted Will to be a killer) but it would be the only way they'd catch Hannibal I guess. I wonder if that mean the other two forensic guys are in on this too? Since they had to verify the dead body in front of Hannibal and do that fake dental stuff to convince him she's dead.

I hate Mason, I can't wait till he gets what's coming to him.
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dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
May 11 2014 14:06 GMT
#508
Jack could've switched the dental records.
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 11 2014 22:00 GMT
#509
On May 11 2014 23:06 dmnum wrote:
Jack could've switched the dental records.

This seems more likely than letting everyone in on the big plan.
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
LilClinkin
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Australia667 Posts
May 11 2014 23:23 GMT
#510
I wonder why the corpse had it's psoas muscles removed?
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 12 2014 00:05 GMT
#511
On May 12 2014 08:23 LilClinkin wrote:
I wonder why the corpse had it's psoas muscles removed?


Probably to correlate with the meat Will gave Hannibal to cook.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 12 2014 02:19 GMT
#512
Michael Pitt (Mason Verger) is the closest actor that is able to channel Heath's Joker on the screen.

Hopefully if they ever want to make a new Batman movie, they'll consider him because he's literally drinking children's tears.
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calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
May 12 2014 02:41 GMT
#513
Very glad to see this get renewed. I have faith in its continuing longevity but then again I was a huge fan of Pushing Daisies, Bryan Fuller's previous television project that was cut way too short.

Very excited to see Mason get what's coming to him as well. I remember freaking out as a kid seeing how disfigured he was in the movies.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 12 2014 03:08 GMT
#514
On May 12 2014 11:41 calgar wrote:
Very glad to see this get renewed. I have faith in its continuing longevity but then again I was a huge fan of Pushing Daisies, Bryan Fuller's previous television project that was cut way too short.

Very excited to see Mason get what's coming to him as well. I remember freaking out as a kid seeing how disfigured he was in the movies.


Just checked out Pushing Daisies wtf Bryan Fuller pulling a 180 from such a cheerful and happy show into this. That's like Christopher Nolan suddenly doing Romantic Comedies.
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calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
May 12 2014 03:15 GMT
#515
On May 12 2014 12:08 Xiphos wrote:
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On May 12 2014 11:41 calgar wrote:
Very glad to see this get renewed. I have faith in its continuing longevity but then again I was a huge fan of Pushing Daisies, Bryan Fuller's previous television project that was cut way too short.

Very excited to see Mason get what's coming to him as well. I remember freaking out as a kid seeing how disfigured he was in the movies.


Just checked out Pushing Daisies wtf Bryan Fuller pulling a 180 from such a cheerful and happy show into this. That's like Christopher Nolan suddenly doing Romantic Comedies.
It is strange - I was just thinking about it the other day. On one hand it makes sense because both series share a sense of detachment from reality and tendency towards fairy tale-esque art and ambiance. It seems that he works to portray worlds full of vivid sensory experiences. I also feel like the color pallet used in Hannibal feels distinctively cold and distant. It lacks life, warmth, and brightness which is all Pushing Daisies ever was. But the mood and feel of the shows do seem to be polar opposites Curious that he would switch things around to be so different.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 04:02:01
May 12 2014 04:01 GMT
#516
Both shows have an obsession with death and the way death affects the living. It's a common theme in all Fuller's work. The only place where it's not obvious is Wonderfalls.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
May 13 2014 23:08 GMT
#517
On May 07 2014 09:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
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On May 07 2014 08:22 Ohnoitztotoro wrote:
On May 06 2014 11:31 Xiphos wrote:

I won't!

Because that's when the fun REALLY starts.

Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season.

Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet.


Haha I meant when the season ends and we have to wait in agony while they go ahead and shoot season 3. I'm fairly certain the series will make it. If NBC won't renew them I am sure some other channel will come in to grab this show but I wonder how long we'll have to wait before the deal finalizes. Might be an extra wait for that to happen before they start shooting for the next season D:

For simplicity sake, I just hope NBC renews this quickly so we can all happily go insane while watching the new seasons. :D


The schedule announcements for the fall season should be next week. Of course, if they do a Spring season again for Hannibal then this is useless.


Hannibal officially renewed for season 3 by NBC. Sadly they're doing the whole mid season start again, but I guess you shouldn't fix what isn't broken.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 14 2014 00:05 GMT
#518
I think that Hannibal is now officially in the "clear" for Fuller's plan. EVERY body wants to see his version of Red Dragon, it was just a matter of surviving the first two seasons in order to get the media leverage he needs.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 14 2014 00:23 GMT
#519
This was really good and makes me almost anticipate the Constantine adaptation NBC plans to do.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 00:37:12
May 14 2014 00:34 GMT
#520
On May 14 2014 09:23 stuchiu wrote:
This was really good and makes me almost anticipate the Constantine adaptation NBC plans to do.


No doubt that is why they're in the same time slot. I'm disappointed that Hannibal is still banished to Friday, but I suppose Grimm has thrived on this fate as well so all hope isn't lost.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
May 14 2014 01:09 GMT
#521
I think they are pushing the death of the reporter too hard, i would be surprised now if she is actually dead lol + Show Spoiler +
(and thank god they showed her in the end of this episode)
. Not quite liking the direction since Will decided to go evil etc, technically he can ask and record what Hannibal would say about the murders (and Hannibal did admit about that, subtly...).

The horse girl is incredibly hot. but this part of the story is just odd. Will is going personal for this etc...the plot is just rather not smart as usual. Anyway, hope they can wrap this up nicely in 2 episodes and yay for season3!
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 17 2014 03:38 GMT
#522
"I am so full of myself."

"You are an odd psychiatrist." Understatement of the year there.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 17 2014 04:06 GMT
#523
+ Show Spoiler +
Well I just saw a man fed parts of his own face to dogs and eat his own nose. My life is...complete?
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Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
May 17 2014 04:13 GMT
#524
this episode just reached a new level of disgusting
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 17 2014 05:13 GMT
#525
holy shit, that episode was AWESOME. that actor shoulda played the joker. :D
liftlift > tsm
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
May 17 2014 05:42 GMT
#526
If there is a God, his name is Bryan Fuller.
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
May 17 2014 10:43 GMT
#527
The music, man. That was both disgusting and amazing.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
May 17 2014 17:19 GMT
#528
Well...that was quite a face off
"Eyo lesson' here, Bey. You're comin' at the king, you best not miss."
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
May 17 2014 19:20 GMT
#529
+ Show Spoiler +
"And I will be repaying Dr. Hannibal". Oh I know you will you crazy bastard.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
May 17 2014 19:59 GMT
#530
In Boardwalk Empire I was never sure if I liked his acting but that was probably because his character was really stupid, he has really done a very good job in Hannibal.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 17 2014 20:50 GMT
#531
On May 18 2014 02:19 Mattes wrote:
Well...that was quite a face off

I guess you could say that's what he gets for being nosey in his sister's psychiatric affairs.
liftlift > tsm
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
May 17 2014 21:15 GMT
#532
On May 18 2014 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 02:19 Mattes wrote:
Well...that was quite a face off

I guess you could say that's what he gets for being nosey in his sister's psychiatric affairs.

Being at a knife's edge in the relationship with everyone kept it really tense.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 17 2014 21:28 GMT
#533
On May 18 2014 06:15 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:19 Mattes wrote:
Well...that was quite a face off

I guess you could say that's what he gets for being nosey in his sister's psychiatric affairs.

Being at a knife's edge in the relationship with everyone kept it really tense.

He had to face the consequences of his meddling.
liftlift > tsm
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 17 2014 21:55 GMT
#534
On May 18 2014 06:28 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2014 06:15 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On May 18 2014 05:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 18 2014 02:19 Mattes wrote:
Well...that was quite a face off

I guess you could say that's what he gets for being nosey in his sister's psychiatric affairs.

Being at a knife's edge in the relationship with everyone kept it really tense.

He had to face the consequences of his meddling.


And he ended up considerably less cheeky at the end.
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Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-17 22:58:57
May 17 2014 22:58 GMT
#535
Hannibal's face when Mason put his feet on his desk.
Hannibal's face when Mason stabs his chair the first time.
"Whomever is pursuing whom in this very moment, I intend to eat them"

:D

Great episode.
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Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
May 18 2014 13:16 GMT
#536
Holy jeez, that was pretty terrifying. I wish they could have elaborated more on Hannibal's persuasion of Mason, it felt kind of cheap the way he just instantly complied. Drugs are OP I guess. Also pretty dickish to have him feed it to the dogs lol.

Now we know that Hannibal will let Jack know, probably in a way that gives the FBI nothing to charge him with. I would definitely be disappointed if the season leads up to the fight between the two, and then 5 minutes later the FBI barges in and apprehends Hannibal.
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 14:08:35
May 18 2014 14:02 GMT
#537
Michael Pitt is outstanding as Mason Verger. And oh my lord, Gillian Anderson. How do you manage to look more incredible the older you get?

Great episode, great atmosphere, and completely disgusting scenes. Glorious. "I'm full of myself." Oh God, the writing. So good.
Long live the King of Wings
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5498 Posts
May 18 2014 15:13 GMT
#538
On May 18 2014 07:58 Reason wrote:
Hannibal's face when Mason put his feet on his desk.
Hannibal's face when Mason stabs his chair the first time.
"Whomever is pursuing whom in this very moment, I intend to eat them"

:D

Great episode.


I liked this line the best. Wow. :D
HyDrA_solic
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Portugal491 Posts
May 18 2014 17:22 GMT
#539
this episode... man, just too good
It's all about the reflections of freedom. Even though he hoped for a better world, with all his strenght, all his will, the most he could do was to make her smile.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 20:48:30
May 18 2014 20:46 GMT
#540
Just when i want to say that I find Scully's overly slow way of speaking is rather annoying to me and how distasteful to see when he is cutting himself to feed to the pig (dog) (while i very much enjoy the psychological gore in that part...is just that it is rather hard to 'manipulate' someone in reality to do so...professionally i would love to know what is that lol), and then i realized that he is the same disfigured character in Hannibal the movie...damn...nicely done so, this is already 100% better than that mediocre movie.

If this Mason2.0 gave us some amazing speech before this episode ended, I'd agree that he is near Heath's joker performance. Show me some intense (mad) hatred towards hannibal man.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 18 2014 20:59 GMT
#541
On May 19 2014 05:46 BurningSera wrote:
Just when i want to say that I find Scully's overly slow way of speaking is rather annoying to me and how distasteful to see when he is cutting himself to feed to the pig (dog) (while i very much enjoy the psychological gore in that part...is just that it is rather hard to 'manipulate' someone in reality to do so...professionally i would love to know what is that lol), and then i realized that he is the same disfigured character in Hannibal the movie...damn...nicely done so, this is already 100% better than that mediocre movie.

If this Mason2.0 gave us some amazing speech before this episode ended, I'd agree that he is near Heath's joker performance. Show me some intense (mad) hatred towards hannibal man.


I believe Mason Verger was given amyl nitrate, pcp and meth.

Honestly, I've heard of crazier shit involving pcp.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
May 18 2014 21:54 GMT
#542
On May 19 2014 05:59 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2014 05:46 BurningSera wrote:
Just when i want to say that I find Scully's overly slow way of speaking is rather annoying to me and how distasteful to see when he is cutting himself to feed to the pig (dog) (while i very much enjoy the psychological gore in that part...is just that it is rather hard to 'manipulate' someone in reality to do so...professionally i would love to know what is that lol), and then i realized that he is the same disfigured character in Hannibal the movie...damn...nicely done so, this is already 100% better than that mediocre movie.

If this Mason2.0 gave us some amazing speech before this episode ended, I'd agree that he is near Heath's joker performance. Show me some intense (mad) hatred towards hannibal man.


I believe Mason Verger was given amyl nitrate, pcp and meth.

Honestly, I've heard of crazier shit involving pcp.


I doubt even LSD can affect someone to do something like that (it is supposedly to be the most potent hallucinogen) but the point is that you cant have hallucination+inflicted pain on the same person, hallucinating can make crazy shit happens but your sensation is intensified heavily that you will feel immerse pain from hurting yourself just a little (kinky spanking is a thing, cutting off your nose is a whole new level of pain); while feeling numb/losing the ability to perceive pain while staying awake at that level of hardcore self inflicting pain (plus under the effect of powerful hallucinogen) is quite....impossible.

but yeah, i am not too bothered with the science behind since they delivered such a beautiful disturbing scene...
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 18 2014 22:05 GMT
#543
I'm not sure why you're bringing up LSD; they're not the same kind of drug. Unlike LSD, PCP is a dissociative and was originally developed as an anesthetic and is still sometimes used as an animal tranquilizer.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-18 22:21:46
May 18 2014 22:19 GMT
#544
caused you do need some level of hallucination (he is seeing the dog as pig) to do so, and high dose of pcp can give some schizophrenic-like effects, causing delusions, hallucinations etc. but can one be that functional (talking nicely and accurately identify Will and cutting off nose) is what i concern on, despite whatever 'anaesthetic' effect pcp gives (i have only heard about one feeling drowsy and disgusted/nausea from pcp tbh).
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URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-19 09:37:46
May 19 2014 09:36 GMT
#545
dangggg I feel like Michael Pitt, the actor for Mason Verger, could have played a good Joker in the Batman series.

Edit: lol someone else seems to have had the same though already xD
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
May 19 2014 17:44 GMT
#546
What the hell did I just watch lol
"I'm so full of myself" hahaha
esKq
Profile Joined April 2010
France134 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-20 14:02:34
May 20 2014 14:00 GMT
#547
Very disturbing scene indeed, kept me a bit awake last night :/

However I am wondering if Hannibal intentionally paralyzed M.Verger or did he failed to break his neck ?

If I remember correctly he checked Verger's pulse after breaking his neck so he was aware of his survival and he didn't finish him off.


Also I had a strong sense of deja-vu when Hannibal expertedly killed one of Mason henchman with a scalpel slice to the leg.
Did this particuliar scene was present in the movie Hannibal ?
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 20 2014 16:03 GMT
#548
If Hannibal killed verger on the spot, Will could've just arrested him there.

Hannibal knew that but still want to give Verger a piece of his mind.
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Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
May 20 2014 17:48 GMT
#549
Yea I definitely had the impression he intentionally left him alive but paralyzed just to ruin his life in an even greater way. Also I loved the way they did the part where Hannibal is cut loose by Will, like a beast unleashed. Part of what makes Hannibal so interesting and mythical is how they are keeping information from us. Would be pretty lame to have an action sequence right there imo. Like what would Will think after waking up in that spot? I would be scared shitless of this inhuman creature and his capabilities.
esKq
Profile Joined April 2010
France134 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 09:44:47
May 21 2014 09:43 GMT
#550
On May 21 2014 01:03 Xiphos wrote:
If Hannibal killed verger on the spot, Will could've just arrested him there.

Hannibal knew that but still want to give Verger a piece of his mind.


I'm pretty sure breaking the neck of someone is worthy of an arrest.

The physical and psychological state of Verger would give law enforcement enough reason to detain Hannibal and search his house leading to a swift arrest & conviction.

I'm pretty sure Will didn't arrest Hannibal there because he wanted to avenge Margot and their unborn child.
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Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
May 21 2014 10:05 GMT
#551
On May 21 2014 18:43 esKq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 01:03 Xiphos wrote:
If Hannibal killed verger on the spot, Will could've just arrested him there.

Hannibal knew that but still want to give Verger a piece of his mind.


I'm pretty sure breaking the neck of someone is worthy of an arrest.

The physical and psychological state of Verger would give law enforcement enough reason to detain Hannibal and search his house leading to a swift arrest & conviction.

I'm pretty sure Will didn't arrest Hannibal there because he wanted to avenge Margot and their unborn child.

They don't know he's hiding shit in his house though. Imagine fiding nothing, Hannibal is charged with assault or whatever and walks fairly fast. Also what do you mean when you say he wants to avenge Margot, arresting Hannibal or not doesn't change what happens to Mason?
esKq
Profile Joined April 2010
France134 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-21 12:29:10
May 21 2014 11:55 GMT
#552
On May 21 2014 19:05 Warfie wrote:
They don't know he's hiding shit in his house though. Imagine fiding nothing, Hannibal is charged with assault or whatever and walks fairly fast.


I don't live in the US but I'm sure that the sentence for puting a man in a wheelchair will cost him at least his medical license.
Even if Mason doesn't press charges, the testimony of Will is enough.

Whatever substances that can be found in Mason's blood would also implicate Hannibal.

On May 21 2014 19:05 Warfie wrote:
Also what do you mean when you say he wants to avenge Margot, arresting Hannibal or not doesn't change what happens to Mason?


I implied that Will let Hannibal do his things in order to avenge what Mason has done to his sister. Retribution at its finest without getting his hands dirty.
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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
May 22 2014 21:46 GMT
#553
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
May 22 2014 22:23 GMT
#554
On May 21 2014 20:55 esKq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2014 19:05 Warfie wrote:
They don't know he's hiding shit in his house though. Imagine fiding nothing, Hannibal is charged with assault or whatever and walks fairly fast.


I don't live in the US but I'm sure that the sentence for puting a man in a wheelchair will cost him at least his medical license.
Even if Mason doesn't press charges, the testimony of Will is enough.

Whatever substances that can be found in Mason's blood would also implicate Hannibal.

Yeah probably, but it seems Jack thinks he's put too much on the line to not get a real murder charge. At least I got that impression when he was pressuring Will
esKq
Profile Joined April 2010
France134 Posts
May 23 2014 08:39 GMT
#555
On May 23 2014 07:23 Warfie wrote:
Yeah probably, but it seems Jack thinks he's put too much on the line to not get a real murder charge. At least I got that impression when he was pressuring Will


That's also a possibility indeed.

Am I wrong or is the finale tonight ?
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
May 23 2014 09:41 GMT
#556
Yep. And then we'll have to wait to 2015 something for more :/
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
May 24 2014 04:24 GMT
#557
Wtf did just happen?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 24 2014 04:27 GMT
#558
It felt more like a series's finale than a season's.

I'm scratching my head on how will the production team outdo this season's direction.
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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
May 24 2014 04:45 GMT
#559
holy shit
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 04:51:46
May 24 2014 04:51 GMT
#560
No words.

I'm emotionally exhausted. Best episode of TV I've seen since Ozymandias.
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Pibacc
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada545 Posts
May 24 2014 05:02 GMT
#561
Oh my god that episode. If they all die we're gonna get like a brand new cast for season 3, should be interesting either way.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 24 2014 05:36 GMT
#562
So they're flying to France?
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
May 24 2014 05:49 GMT
#563
Easily one of the best things I've ever had the pleasure (or misfortune? My emotions seem to be broken) to watch.

Damn.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
May 24 2014 07:03 GMT
#564
This episode was beautiful.
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 09:13:39
May 24 2014 08:31 GMT
#565
Jesus, that's a lot of blood spilled in one episode lol and now we play the painful waiting game.
Anyone care to speculate on why Maurier was on the plane with Hannibal?
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malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
May 24 2014 09:00 GMT
#566
..............
......................
.................................

wow...

I expect Freddie to play a much bigger role in season 3?
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5498 Posts
May 24 2014 09:49 GMT
#567
No words. wow ;o
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
May 24 2014 10:03 GMT
#568
Guy's everything is drenched in blood. Holy shit.

Anyone care to speculate on why Maurier was on the plane with Hannibal?


Either there's a slight chance she was in on his games or Hannibal tracked her down and is going to psychologically toy with her I guess.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 10:15:44
May 24 2014 10:15 GMT
#569
IGN interview with Bryan Fuller


http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/24/hannibal-bryan-fuller-on-season-2s-shocking-end-and-big-changes-in-season-3?page=1
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 10:20:48
May 24 2014 10:19 GMT
#570
There is/was also speculation the very last scene with Maurier could just have been in Hannibal's mind palace, but apparently Fuller has gone out and said it did in fact happen.

Edit: To above me, exactly

Anyway, what a crazy finale. We have absolutely no idea who dies or not of the three victims left in Hannibal's house. Also Abigail's return was so crazy that for once, I did not get angry at a main protagonist for standing in awe until cut down. I was equally flabbergasted as a viewer. The way Hannibal guts Will too.. And he sheds a single tear when he leans down and tells Will he can make it all go away, right after slitting Abigails's throat. Such a strong episode altogether.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38156 Posts
May 24 2014 10:31 GMT
#571
WIll will surely live.

Jack maybe. I think they can kill him off and it would make sense and he sure seems in a bad way. He's also tucked away out of sight so might not be found the fastest.

Alana is rather boring so I'd rather she dies than Abigail. I think we'd get some good material about a Will/Abigail father/daughter rebuilding relationship post-Hannibal. I'm only expecting one of the girls to survive this though.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
May 24 2014 10:33 GMT
#572
I expect abigail's gone, alana too. maybe miriam lass will "replace" alana.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 10:45:18
May 24 2014 10:45 GMT
#573
Beautiful. That may have been the most perfect episode on TV, other than maybe Ozymandias. The music was perfect. The cinematography was perfect. It was suspenseful, painful, and brilliant all at the same time. 10/10 for the season finale. I can't wait to see what happens next.
Deleted User 197942
Profile Joined July 2011
Romania151 Posts
May 24 2014 13:31 GMT
#574
Wow, Hannibal really played that out so well. I'm so sorry for all of them, though, especially for Abigail and Will. Really interested to see who is going to make it out alive. I assume it's at least gonna be Will.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5498 Posts
May 24 2014 13:37 GMT
#575
On May 24 2014 19:03 Asha` wrote:
Guy's everything is drenched in blood. Holy shit.

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Anyone care to speculate on why Maurier was on the plane with Hannibal?


Either there's a slight chance she was in on his games or Hannibal tracked her down and is going to psychologically toy with her I guess.


She did not look scared to me.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
May 24 2014 14:27 GMT
#576
I just wish they would tone it down a bit on the dialogue, it's starting to feel like they're trying too hard. Other than that, it was a good finale.

Also, I predict that, in the coming months, a wave of people will start saying that "Hannibal is the best show ever except for maybe Breaking Bad which is the best show ever except maybe for The Wire".
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
May 24 2014 14:44 GMT
#577
Season 3 spoilers!

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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
May 24 2014 19:07 GMT
#578
Season final was just pure catharsis, every emotion poured out of every character in such a brutal way. I'm just sad we have to wait until 2015 for next season... Will has to survive cause he's the main character unless NBC somehow gets Clarice Starling into the story as the main character. Alana is either dead, paralyzed or barely survived. I'd prefer to see Abigail dead to really hit it hard for Will but at the same time I'd like to hear her story. I'd suggest everyone watch this episode, was absolutely incredible.

Season 3 casting spoiler?
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Laurence Fishburne is doing another show called "Black-ly" I heard which could put his role in the next season in peril, possibly killing him off which would be a shame cause of how essential of a role he has in the story.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
May 24 2014 19:35 GMT
#579
Would anyone else really want the season opener to basically explain the events leading up to the season finale from Hannibal's perspective? I think that would be really cool if we got to explore that side of the story.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 19:58:57
May 24 2014 19:58 GMT
#580
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/24/hannibal-bryan-fuller-on-season-2s-shocking-end-and-big-changes-in-season-3

Here's an interview with Fuller on the end of Season 2 and how Season 3 is going to kick off. It seems like Episode 1 will leave us in the dark and focus on Hannibal and Bedelia.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-24 23:19:20
May 24 2014 22:17 GMT
#581
On May 24 2014 22:37 maybenexttime wrote:
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On May 24 2014 19:03 Asha` wrote:
Guy's everything is drenched in blood. Holy shit.

Anyone care to speculate on why Maurier was on the plane with Hannibal?


Either there's a slight chance she was in on his games or Hannibal tracked her down and is going to psychologically toy with her I guess.


She did not look scared to me.


If she is scared showing it would not be in her interest.

I hope they kill off Jack even though that wouldn't make much sense.
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Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
May 24 2014 23:57 GMT
#582
Holy shit. That was beautiful and terrifying. I actually have no words... So great, Bryan Fuller. So Great.
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Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
May 25 2014 00:09 GMT
#583
"So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"

"I'm going to Disneyland."
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Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
May 25 2014 00:40 GMT
#584
On May 25 2014 09:09 Xiphos wrote:
"So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"

"I'm going to Disneyland."

''With my lovely new wife who testified against me just a couple weeks back, but who cares, I killed all the people who cared about me!''
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Trustworthy-Tony
Profile Joined March 2014
Tanzania187 Posts
May 25 2014 00:41 GMT
#585
Mads Mikkelsen has come a long way
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
May 25 2014 00:44 GMT
#586
On May 25 2014 09:40 Thalandros wrote:
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On May 25 2014 09:09 Xiphos wrote:
"So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"

"I'm going to Disneyland."

''With my lovely new wife who testified against me just a couple weeks back, but who cares, I killed all the people who cared about me!''


Did she even give them anything incriminating? All I remember is that she said that Hannibal manipulates people into doing things.
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Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
May 25 2014 01:00 GMT
#587
On May 25 2014 09:44 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
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On May 25 2014 09:40 Thalandros wrote:
On May 25 2014 09:09 Xiphos wrote:
"So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"

"I'm going to Disneyland."

''With my lovely new wife who testified against me just a couple weeks back, but who cares, I killed all the people who cared about me!''


Did she even give them anything incriminating? All I remember is that she said that Hannibal manipulates people into doing things.

She said Hannibal manipulated her into killing her patient, she stated it was ''self-defense'', then she took that statement back in and said she murdered him because Hannibal's manipulation.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-25 01:10:29
May 25 2014 01:04 GMT
#588
On May 25 2014 10:00 Thalandros wrote:
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On May 25 2014 09:44 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On May 25 2014 09:40 Thalandros wrote:
On May 25 2014 09:09 Xiphos wrote:
"So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"

"I'm going to Disneyland."

''With my lovely new wife who testified against me just a couple weeks back, but who cares, I killed all the people who cared about me!''


Did she even give them anything incriminating? All I remember is that she said that Hannibal manipulates people into doing things.

She said Hannibal manipulated her into killing her patient, she stated it was ''self-defense'', then she took that statement back in and said she murdered him because Hannibal's manipulation.


Yes and if that had any bearing in court they would have a warrant for Hannibal's arrest. It doesn't so we get the season finale instead.

She claimed it was self defense until she had immunity and couldn't be charged with murder.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
May 26 2014 03:15 GMT
#589
goddamnit i am depressed now knowing we wont see s3 until 2015....goddamn that ending LOL.

In the realistic sense, these people are all stupid to go for hannibal 1 by 1. What the hell was jack thinking lol. And then hannibal didn't even ensure everyone is dead before he left the house, so all is good. Probably they made this in the mindset that they might not be able to produce season3.

I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T

Very beautiful episode, eye fest for blood seeker lover. The brilliant thing is that we will be entertained in season3 regardless who is dead and who is alive lol.

is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-26 03:39:36
May 26 2014 03:29 GMT
#590
On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote:
goddamnit i am depressed now knowing we wont see s3 until 2015....goddamn that ending LOL.


It is even worse knowing that when the show finally does come back we won't even know until the the week after that ^_^

On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote:
I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T


Being a meanie is the point as far as I could tell. The three of them were supposed to run off together and go on murdering people I guess. Will abandoned Hannibal and so Hannibal took everything Will loved. Him surviving and the rest of them dying might just be worse than death.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 26 2014 04:40 GMT
#591
It was kind of like watching 5 dota noobs rush into the fountain one after the other.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-27 05:34:29
May 27 2014 05:28 GMT
#592
On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote:
I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T


From what we know from Red Dragon, Hannibal wounds Will in the exact same way and Will lives. If Fuller is intent on following the Harris canon in this way (killing off your main protagonist is a bit iffy considering they don't have rights to Silence, so they can only bring in Clarice via proxy) it means he's setting up a showdown at the end of Season 3. Hannibal has already shown he understands the small differences separating a debilitating injury from a fatal one.

He kills her as a means to reassert his power. Will hurt Hannibal in a way that no one has ever been able to do before: Hannibal puts himself in a position of weakness through his friendship and left himself open to betrayal. No one could ever accomplish that before as he never revealed his true nature to others. It's what Will implies when he says he has already changed Hannibal. In order to get revenge (and all revenge at heart is meant to rebalance the scales) he recreates Abigail's mutilation by her father. There's multiple other themes running through that event but it's late here. I'll explain it tomorrow if you want.
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Sterlymobile
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
May 27 2014 06:19 GMT
#593
Why did Hannibal keep Abigail alive all this time? Did he feel some sort of father figure to her?

I also think that Hannibal has Scully captive in a way. If he doesn't then why have that scene where he went to her house all suited up to kill her to end up being on his side in the first place?
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
May 27 2014 11:18 GMT
#594
On May 27 2014 14:28 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote:
I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T


From what we know from Red Dragon, Hannibal wounds Will in the exact same way and Will lives. If Fuller is intent on following the Harris canon in this way (killing off your main protagonist is a bit iffy considering they don't have rights to Silence, so they can only bring in Clarice via proxy) it means he's setting up a showdown at the end of Season 3. Hannibal has already shown he understands the small differences separating a debilitating injury from a fatal one.

He kills her as a means to reassert his power. Will hurt Hannibal in a way that no one has ever been able to do before: Hannibal puts himself in a position of weakness through his friendship and left himself open to betrayal. No one could ever accomplish that before as he never revealed his true nature to others. It's what Will implies when he says he has already changed Hannibal. In order to get revenge (and all revenge at heart is meant to rebalance the scales) he recreates Abigail's mutilation by her father. There's multiple other themes running through that event but it's late here. I'll explain it tomorrow if you want.


Interesting. Please talk about that.

Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 27 2014 14:54 GMT
#595
On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 14:28 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote:
I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T


From what we know from Red Dragon, Hannibal wounds Will in the exact same way and Will lives. If Fuller is intent on following the Harris canon in this way (killing off your main protagonist is a bit iffy considering they don't have rights to Silence, so they can only bring in Clarice via proxy) it means he's setting up a showdown at the end of Season 3. Hannibal has already shown he understands the small differences separating a debilitating injury from a fatal one.

He kills her as a means to reassert his power. Will hurt Hannibal in a way that no one has ever been able to do before: Hannibal puts himself in a position of weakness through his friendship and left himself open to betrayal. No one could ever accomplish that before as he never revealed his true nature to others. It's what Will implies when he says he has already changed Hannibal. In order to get revenge (and all revenge at heart is meant to rebalance the scales) he recreates Abigail's mutilation by her father. There's multiple other themes running through that event but it's late here. I'll explain it tomorrow if you want.


Interesting. Please talk about that.

Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.


Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
May 27 2014 15:05 GMT
#596
that, is the most beautiful love story i have ever heard of.

i cant remember the details anymore since i kinda binge watched season1 a few months back defo getting bluray box set for this. cannot wait for rewatching them on big screen tv.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
May 27 2014 20:57 GMT
#597
That was an awesome finale, can't wait for next season.
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Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
May 27 2014 21:09 GMT
#598
thank god this farfetched season is over, can focus on 24 and game of thrones. Its a relief not having to roll my eyes 30 times an episode
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
May 27 2014 21:11 GMT
#599
On May 28 2014 00:05 BurningSera wrote:
that, is the most beautiful love story i have ever heard of.

i cant remember the details anymore since i kinda binge watched season1 a few months back defo getting bluray box set for this. cannot wait for rewatching them on big screen tv.


It's a shame we'll never have happy murder husbands.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
May 27 2014 21:12 GMT
#600
On May 28 2014 06:09 Assault_1 wrote:
thank god this farfetched season is over, can focus on 24 and game of thrones. Its a relief not having to roll my eyes 30 times an episode

This post is hilarious for so many reasons. You bitch about Hannibal being unrealistic, and then go on to watch GoT and 24?
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 27 2014 21:31 GMT
#601
On May 27 2014 15:19 Sterlymobile wrote:
Why did Hannibal keep Abigail alive all this time? Did he feel some sort of father figure to her?


Yes, he identifies Abigail with his dead sister Mischa. But more importantly he understood how important she was to Will.

On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote:
Interesting. Please talk about that.

Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.


Hannibal is under the impression that they share the highest level of philia (Fuller includes a fair bit of queer baiting but their relationship is not sexual at all) although it's a relationship that necessities his...um, direct involvement. Throughout the series Hannibal's idea of true friendship is to spur people to be their best selves. His conception of "best self" is a twisted version of his obligation as a psychiatrist: to help people recognize and embrace their true nature. In his conceited fashion he pushes people to act upon their darkest aspects, fancying himself as possessing the same prerogatives as God. Hannibal sees no problem in manipulating others to commit horrible acts if said acts are internally motivated. He never lies to get his way except if it would directly harm him.

To Hannibal, Will was the closest thing to he will ever have to a true friend. Will could both see Hannibal as his true self and accept him: unlike Randall, he would never be a puppet or a slave to Hannibal's manipulation. Hannibal wants to mold Will into something similar to himself (obviously the good doctor thinks he is a superior version of man) but he equally admires other traits such as his responsibility he feels towards Abigail. So he goes out of his way to "reverse the teacup" and set up a scenario where Will would have everything he theoretically wants: a friend who intimately understands and accepts him and a substitute daughter bonded through shared experience (although terrible) and mutual need. A family with no secrets and no need to keep them. As it turns out it's Hannibal's projection all along.

On May 27 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote:
Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.


I would say the better comparison is Hannibal sacrificing his old life to Achilles' death wish after Patrocles dies.
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
May 29 2014 12:52 GMT
#602
What on earth was that episode. Can't say I saw Abigail being alive, so that was certainly a shock. And by my beard, Mads and Hugh put on an incredible performance. Only shame is now we have to wait for season 3.
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Eshra
Profile Joined April 2011
France1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 13:54:02
May 29 2014 13:53 GMT
#603
On May 28 2014 06:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 15:19 Sterlymobile wrote:
Why did Hannibal keep Abigail alive all this time? Did he feel some sort of father figure to her?


Yes, he identifies Abigail with his dead sister Mischa. But more importantly he understood how important she was to Will.

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote:
Interesting. Please talk about that.

Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.


Hannibal is under the impression that they share the highest level of philia (Fuller includes a fair bit of queer baiting but their relationship is not sexual at all) although it's a relationship that necessities his...um, direct involvement. Throughout the series Hannibal's idea of true friendship is to spur people to be their best selves. His conception of "best self" is a twisted version of his obligation as a psychiatrist: to help people recognize and embrace their true nature. In his conceited fashion he pushes people to act upon their darkest aspects, fancying himself as possessing the same prerogatives as God. Hannibal sees no problem in manipulating others to commit horrible acts if said acts are internally motivated. He never lies to get his way except if it would directly harm him.

To Hannibal, Will was the closest thing to he will ever have to a true friend. Will could both see Hannibal as his true self and accept him: unlike Randall, he would never be a puppet or a slave to Hannibal's manipulation. Hannibal wants to mold Will into something similar to himself (obviously the good doctor thinks he is a superior version of man) but he equally admires other traits such as his responsibility he feels towards Abigail. So he goes out of his way to "reverse the teacup" and set up a scenario where Will would have everything he theoretically wants: a friend who intimately understands and accepts him and a substitute daughter bonded through shared experience (although terrible) and mutual need. A family with no secrets and no need to keep them. As it turns out it's Hannibal's projection all along.

Show nested quote +
On May 27 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote:
Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.


I would say the better comparison is Hannibal sacrificing his old life to Achilles' death wish after Patrocles dies.


I read that with Hannibal's voice.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 20:54:08
June 01 2014 20:51 GMT
#604
just watched it, and holy fuck!! Wish I could remember what the tenor aria was, atm it escapes me.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-01 21:45:21
June 01 2014 21:41 GMT
#605
I think you're referring to Bach's Aria of the Goldberg Variations.

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Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 29 2014 21:10 GMT
#606
I just started watching this show, so for no spoilers, I didn't read the thread yet, but damn. This is pure genius.

I chain-watched the first five eps, and took a break even though I wanted to keep going. It's great, but it's also kind of heavy on the mind, I can't explain it. In any case, I absolutely love it. Will watch it all very quickly.
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
August 19 2014 15:50 GMT
#607
I'm on S1 Ep10 and this is some weirdly addictive stuff.
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Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
August 19 2014 17:47 GMT
#608
On May 29 2014 22:53 Eshra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2014 06:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On May 27 2014 15:19 Sterlymobile wrote:
Why did Hannibal keep Abigail alive all this time? Did he feel some sort of father figure to her?


Yes, he identifies Abigail with his dead sister Mischa. But more importantly he understood how important she was to Will.

On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote:
Interesting. Please talk about that.

Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.


Hannibal is under the impression that they share the highest level of philia (Fuller includes a fair bit of queer baiting but their relationship is not sexual at all) although it's a relationship that necessities his...um, direct involvement. Throughout the series Hannibal's idea of true friendship is to spur people to be their best selves. His conception of "best self" is a twisted version of his obligation as a psychiatrist: to help people recognize and embrace their true nature. In his conceited fashion he pushes people to act upon their darkest aspects, fancying himself as possessing the same prerogatives as God. Hannibal sees no problem in manipulating others to commit horrible acts if said acts are internally motivated. He never lies to get his way except if it would directly harm him.

To Hannibal, Will was the closest thing to he will ever have to a true friend. Will could both see Hannibal as his true self and accept him: unlike Randall, he would never be a puppet or a slave to Hannibal's manipulation. Hannibal wants to mold Will into something similar to himself (obviously the good doctor thinks he is a superior version of man) but he equally admires other traits such as his responsibility he feels towards Abigail. So he goes out of his way to "reverse the teacup" and set up a scenario where Will would have everything he theoretically wants: a friend who intimately understands and accepts him and a substitute daughter bonded through shared experience (although terrible) and mutual need. A family with no secrets and no need to keep them. As it turns out it's Hannibal's projection all along.

On May 27 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote:
Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.


I would say the better comparison is Hannibal sacrificing his old life to Achilles' death wish after Patrocles dies.


I read that with Hannibal's voice.


Rofl! I did too but I didn't think anything of it until I read your comment hahaha.

Honestly though I thought that season was amazing. I think it easily takes #1 on my TV 2014 list.
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
August 20 2014 21:14 GMT
#609
JUST finished S2. All I can think is "what the hell with that ending?" that made me scramble to see if there would be a third season. This is one of the few movies / tv-series that has successfully made me somewhat uncomfortable.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 20 2014 23:32 GMT
#610
On August 21 2014 06:14 ObviousOne wrote:
JUST finished S2. All I can think is "what the hell with that ending?" that made me scramble to see if there would be a third season. This is one of the few movies / tv-series that has successfully made me somewhat uncomfortable.


The producers made this season with the mindset of not being able to renew the series.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
January 23 2015 03:11 GMT
#611
Hannibal season 3 trailer has been released. Don't know if this video will be blocked eventually or not so I'll provide a second link but it only works for people in the US.



http://insidetv.ew.com/2015/01/22/hannibal-season-3-trailer/?hootPostID=8c520aac9b59a8be1565aaf928975ba4
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-23 21:01:38
January 23 2015 04:18 GMT
#612
Looks like a William Blake reference at 0:53. Doesn't seem like The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed in Sun though. It could just be a distortion of the image due to use of a projector.

Excuse me, not William Blake.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
January 23 2015 19:19 GMT
#613
Trailer for the show that got delayed to Summer season. NBC you suck.
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URfavHO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States514 Posts
January 23 2015 21:29 GMT
#614
I still can't believe how much stuff this show gets away with. If I recall correctly, the censorship peeps at the FCC wouldn't let the production show a butt crack or something... so the production proposed, "what if we have it covered thickly in blood?" and for some reason that was acceptable.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-23 21:41:03
January 23 2015 21:39 GMT
#615
On January 24 2015 06:29 URfavHO wrote:
I still can't believe how much stuff this show gets away with. If I recall correctly, the censorship peeps at the FCC wouldn't let the production show a butt crack or something... so the production proposed, "what if we have it covered thickly in blood?" and for some reason that was acceptable.


It was NBC who took offense not the FCC (although likely because it could have been an FCC violation). The bodies were flayed so the blood/butt cracks weren't even the worst part imo
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
June 03 2015 04:22 GMT
#616
Season 3 premieres in just two days! I'm curious where they're going to take things now that Hannibal's been fully outed.

Obligatory warning of potential spoilers, etc. in trailer.
+ Show Spoiler +


I'm also waiting to see who, if anyone, made it out of the bloodbath at the end of last season.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
June 04 2015 22:55 GMT
#617
Reminder that today is the premiere of season 3. Won't be able to watch it today but I will certainly look forward to it.
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Oldfool
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia394 Posts
June 05 2015 13:32 GMT
#618
I had forgotten how exquisite the cinematography in the show is; what a beautifully crafted start to the season.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
June 05 2015 14:13 GMT
#619
On June 05 2015 22:32 Oldfool wrote:
I had forgotten how exquisite the cinematography in the show is; what a beautifully crafted start to the season.

I agree that the cinematography was excellent and I was really taken aback by how stunning it was, especially the recurring drops of water and blood. Unfortunately I thought the episode itself was rather boring and didn't do much to develop the plot of the season. The second episode looks really promising though.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 17:09:23
June 05 2015 17:08 GMT
#620
Why isn't Hannibal on hulu this season? Apparently NBC wants you to use their video service.
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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
June 05 2015 19:25 GMT
#621
ITS FREE ON NBC? I think it was a pretty strong opening
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 19:42:32
June 05 2015 19:38 GMT
#622
On June 06 2015 04:25 Aocowns wrote:
ITS FREE ON NBC?

Yes. I doubt they'll let you watch it there from Europe though.
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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
June 05 2015 20:04 GMT
#623
On June 06 2015 04:38 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 04:25 Aocowns wrote:
ITS FREE ON NBC?

Yes. I doubt they'll let you watch it there from Europe though.

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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9132 Posts
June 05 2015 21:55 GMT
#624
It was a very pretty and uneventful episode. I am disappointed.
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Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
June 11 2015 12:40 GMT
#625
Loved the 1st episode wow. Blown away.
*burp*
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
June 11 2015 17:02 GMT
#626
On June 11 2015 21:40 Parcelleus wrote:
Loved the 1st episode wow. Blown away.


You may have loved it while I was confused to hell.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
June 11 2015 17:07 GMT
#627
Such beautiful pilot of the season. Just chill guys Hannibal has always been like that, the tempo is slow as fuck is the kind of show that you sit back and have a glass of nice whisky in your hands and enjoy it

That said, I think the cinemagraphy is over the top in this episode lol
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
June 11 2015 20:42 GMT
#628
On June 12 2015 02:02 lethal111 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 21:40 Parcelleus wrote:
Loved the 1st episode wow. Blown away.


You may have loved it while I was confused to hell.


Embrace it. You won't know what is going on until Hannibal wants you to.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 23:00:10
June 12 2015 23:00 GMT
#629
This episode was like mindfucks, mindfucks everywhere. I liked it
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4536 Posts
June 13 2015 01:46 GMT
#630
Hard to follow :D but this episode was clearer.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
June 13 2015 01:56 GMT
#631
Agreed. I'm interested to see what Will's motive/relationship is like with Hannibal moving forward. I don't know if he resents Hannibal after all that's been done, or if he understands that Hannibal did what he had to and moving forward has a new-found trust/respect for him. I think when he was shuddering at the moose it may have represented his fear of how he truly feels about Hannibal. I think it's interesting that Will is still dealing with some form of dissociative personality disorder possibly. It kind of calls into question whether he was hallucinating that Abigail was with him or if he was just trying to repress his anger/sadness in an effort to find some reason not to hate Hannibal for taking everything away from him.

After reflecting on the episode for a little bit I definitely had a greater appreciation for it. I really hope that if this show doesn't get renewed after this season it is picked up by Netflix, Amazon, or Hulu.
Oldfool
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia394 Posts
June 13 2015 07:00 GMT
#632
If hannibal was on Netflix imagine that next level of graphic gore they could get away with!
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iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
June 22 2015 21:26 GMT
#633
Season 3 will be the last.

http://tvline.com/2015/06/22/hannibal-cancelled-nbc-season-4/
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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
June 22 2015 21:37 GMT
#634
god fucking fuckass shit what the fuck is this the pain every Firefly fan ever felt? fuck this gay earth
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deth
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia1757 Posts
June 22 2015 21:49 GMT
#635
On June 23 2015 06:37 Aocowns wrote:
god fucking fuckass shit what the fuck is this the pain every Firefly fan ever felt? fuck this gay earth


Don't freak out, it will almost surely get picked up very quickly by a cable or streaming network.

NBC doesn't own the entirety of the rights like Fox did with Firefly and we're living in a very different age of television.

I'll look forward to seeing Season 4 on Netflix or Amazon and I'm both surprised and impressed that NBC funded 3 seasons of a show that was actually good!
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
June 22 2015 21:50 GMT
#636
On June 23 2015 06:49 deth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2015 06:37 Aocowns wrote:
god fucking fuckass shit what the fuck is this the pain every Firefly fan ever felt? fuck this gay earth


Don't freak out, it will almost surely get picked up very quickly by a cable or streaming network.

NBC doesn't own the entirety of the rights like Fox did with Firefly and we're living in a very different age of television.

I'll look forward to seeing Season 4 on Netflix or Amazon and I'm both surprised and impressed that NBC funded 3 seasons of a show that was actually good!

I'll put my faith in this
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
June 22 2015 22:15 GMT
#637
Really hope some other channel picks up Hannibal it's an absolute travesty this is being canceled while garbage sitcoms and dramas are allowed to live on.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 22 2015 22:37 GMT
#638
On June 13 2015 16:00 Oldfool wrote:
If hannibal was on Netflix imagine that next level of graphic gore they could get away with!

they don't really need more gore as Hannibal is a precise killer
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Lordanubis
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom198 Posts
June 22 2015 22:40 GMT
#639
Horrible horrible news

Really hope for a quick pickup by either Hulu, Netflix or Amazon. The show definitely deserves it.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-22 23:33:04
June 22 2015 23:18 GMT
#640
I dont get why would they announce the cancellation so early, it's like they know the rest of s3 is hopelessly bad
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
June 22 2015 23:37 GMT
#641
On June 23 2015 08:18 Sent. wrote:
I dont get why would they announce the cancellation so early, it's like they know the rest of s3 is hopelessly bad


The ratings of the first or second episode is almost always an accurate sign of the ratings for the rest of the season.
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MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
June 23 2015 01:24 GMT
#642
On June 23 2015 08:18 Sent. wrote:
I dont get why would they announce the cancellation so early, it's like they know the rest of s3 is hopelessly bad

It's not that it's probably bad, it's that the ratings have been so low up to this point that they probably don't see any reason to play games and are just going to outright cancel it.

I won't lie, I didn't watch episode three yet because I haven't had the chance. I'm very disappointed, although not at all surprised, that NBC is cancelling it, but I hope it gets picked up by Netflix (although Hulu seems more likely). I feel like Bryan Fuller picked the worst possible way to open up season three. Artsy episodes are great and all, but they're awful for attracting new viewers and can possibly even turn casual viewers away from the show. Poor move on his part, although he may have already known it would be cancelled and wanted to get to play around with more stylistic episodes before the show ended.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
June 23 2015 03:43 GMT
#643
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo pls someone pick it up
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 23 2015 06:08 GMT
#644
I am very sad to hear this.

I just recently finished season 2 and started season 3, and this show is simply outstanding. It's exactly what I want: a slow, psychological drama with matchless cinematography.

I do hope it gets picked up. It's well-loved by the fanbase and universally praised as a great show, so no reason not to. But we never know...
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0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4536 Posts
June 23 2015 07:59 GMT
#645
It can be for various reasons.
Maybe they did want to cancel it so the scenario can be tight.
Maybe the main actor don't want to continue anymore.
Dexter would have been better cancelled quite early too.

It's hard to make the suspension of disbelief work over the years, sitcoms rely less on that and cost less.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
June 23 2015 08:00 GMT
#646
On June 23 2015 08:18 Sent. wrote:
I dont get why would they announce the cancellation so early, it's like they know the rest of s3 is hopelessly bad


Something i read on Reddit, which makes sense.

Here is why I believe this move was made now: television contracts for cancelled shows expire on June 30 every year. Assuming Hannibal is on the same cycle as normal fall/spring shows, NBC made this move now instead of in Aigust at the end of the season to allow Hannibal to find a new home before the cast contracts expire. Remember when Community was picked up on June 30 last year by Yahoo? That was as last minute as it gets. Hannibal is now on the clock.


Source

I don't think this is the last we see Hannibal.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-23 11:18:16
June 23 2015 10:58 GMT
#647
I'm not in the slightest worry at all, maybe i would if this was a couple years back but the industry works differently now with online streaming, hope Netflix snatched it already
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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 25 2015 22:18 GMT
#648
I watched some of this show and felt compelled to post a good/bad/ugly list:

The good:
  • Whatever chef(s) are consulting for this show, the decisions he/she/they are making, and all of the food scenes. This is the best and scariest part of the show. I read a blog somewhere that goes into detail about the decisions that were made with the food scenes and it was awesome.
  • Mads Mikkhelsen. Hannibal is the only consistently good and likeable character in the show imo. I don't think Mads's performance could have been better.
  • Wardrobes.
  • There is good cinematography in this show at points.
  • Casting Lawrence Fishburne and Gina Torres as husband and wife in the series (they are husband and wife irl).

The bad:
  • Pretty much everything else unfortunately.

The ugly:
  • Dialog. The dialog in this show is bad and poorly paced. Mads Mikkhelsen is an exception; he is a talented performer and makes his lines compelling in spite of how awful they would otherwise be without him. Lawrence Fishburne is also a talented performer and has his moments in the show. Guest star Eddie Izzard is good too.
  • The protagonist, Will Graham. Terrible nonsense character. Why. Does. He. Talk. So. Slow? This character almost ruins the show for me. He (1) is a professor (2) is an FBI consultant/criminal profiler (3) an avid fly fisherman (4) has ~10 stray dogs, all different breeds (5) has severe mental health problems. Any one of those things is a full time job. Will Graham is trying to be 5 different characters, more if you count his "empathic abilities" (lazy writing), and the result is still somehow boring.
  • The show needed better medical and forensics consulting. There are people in this show who we are supposed to believe are doctors frequently using words like "sociopath," "psychopath," etc. Will Graham could have been an awesome character if instead of "empathic abilities" he was just highly dedicated to his field of study and spent all of his free time pursuing it instead of e.g. teaching classes or taking care of 10 stray dogs.

The good in this show is really good btw, but the ugly is really, really ugly. I wish the dialog had better pacing and less. talking. like. this. trying. to. be. dramatic. I wish Will Graham was written completely differently. No human being has time for 5 full time jobs much less someone suffering from autism/aspergers/whatever mental illness Will Graham is supposed to have.
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 00:15:24
June 26 2015 00:15 GMT
#649
On June 26 2015 07:18 batsnacks wrote:
I watched some of this show and felt compelled to post a good/bad/ugly list:

The good:
  • Whatever chef(s) are consulting for this show, the decisions he/she/they are making, and all of the food scenes. This is the best and scariest part of the show. I read a blog somewhere that goes into detail about the decisions that were made with the food scenes and it was awesome.
  • Mads Mikkhelsen. Hannibal is the only consistently good and likeable character in the show imo. I don't think Mads's performance could have been better.
  • Wardrobes.
  • There is good cinematography in this show at points.
  • Casting Lawrence Fishburne and Gina Torres as husband and wife in the series (they are husband and wife irl).

The bad:
  • Pretty much everything else unfortunately.

The ugly:
  • Dialog. The dialog in this show is bad and poorly paced. Mads Mikkhelsen is an exception; he is a talented performer and makes his lines compelling in spite of how awful they would otherwise be without him. Lawrence Fishburne is also a talented performer and has his moments in the show. Guest star Eddie Izzard is good too.
  • The protagonist, Will Graham. Terrible nonsense character. Why. Does. He. Talk. So. Slow? This character almost ruins the show for me. He (1) is a professor (2) is an FBI consultant/criminal profiler (3) an avid fly fisherman (4) has ~10 stray dogs, all different breeds (5) has severe mental health problems. Any one of those things is a full time job. Will Graham is trying to be 5 different characters, more if you count his "empathic abilities" (lazy writing), and the result is still somehow boring.
  • The show needed better medical and forensics consulting. There are people in this show who we are supposed to believe are doctors frequently using words like "sociopath," "psychopath," etc. Will Graham could have been an awesome character if instead of "empathic abilities" he was just highly dedicated to his field of study and spent all of his free time pursuing it instead of e.g. teaching classes or taking care of 10 stray dogs.

The good in this show is really good btw, but the ugly is really, really ugly. I wish the dialog had better pacing and less. talking. like. this. trying. to. be. dramatic. I wish Will Graham was written completely differently. No human being has time for 5 full time jobs much less someone suffering from autism/aspergers/whatever mental illness Will Graham is supposed to have.

I would like to say that you should remember this is based on novels that have already been written and characters that already existed. The writers didn't choose who Will Graham is and create the world that he's in, They are simply portraying him and how they think he should be.

I disagree with your analysis of Will's abilities, however. Without his "gift" he wouldn't really be able to get into the mind of his killers, which is one of the most important aspects of the show. It's one of the main reasons that he's a suspect in the first season and it's why he feels such a deep connection to Hannibal and his murders.

I am not sure why you think Will Graham has too many aspects. It's not really uncommon for people who are world renowned in their field to also be working as consultants, and the dogs help show that he has a hard time relating to other people and prefers the company of his stray dogs. I don't think either of those are complete nonsense. The fishing is somewhat unnecessary, but it's used in a lot of dreamlike scenes for symbolism and is more of a recurring theme than an overarching plot line. The show could probably do without it, but it's not awful. Maybe it's a lot to juggle for a TV character, but I don't think the dogs and the fishing are meant to be really significant plot devices. They're just minor aspects of Will that help develop him and his personality.

I agree that some of the dialog is kind of belabored and a lot of the show (especially in the third season, if you're up to that) is self-indulgent. I don't think that the show has the most realistic characters or even tries to make them realistic, but I can understand that it would frustrate some people.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 26 2015 00:41 GMT
#650
On June 26 2015 09:15 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2015 07:18 batsnacks wrote:
I watched some of this show and felt compelled to post a good/bad/ugly list:

The good:
  • Whatever chef(s) are consulting for this show, the decisions he/she/they are making, and all of the food scenes. This is the best and scariest part of the show. I read a blog somewhere that goes into detail about the decisions that were made with the food scenes and it was awesome.
  • Mads Mikkhelsen. Hannibal is the only consistently good and likeable character in the show imo. I don't think Mads's performance could have been better.
  • Wardrobes.
  • There is good cinematography in this show at points.
  • Casting Lawrence Fishburne and Gina Torres as husband and wife in the series (they are husband and wife irl).

The bad:
  • Pretty much everything else unfortunately.

The ugly:
  • Dialog. The dialog in this show is bad and poorly paced. Mads Mikkhelsen is an exception; he is a talented performer and makes his lines compelling in spite of how awful they would otherwise be without him. Lawrence Fishburne is also a talented performer and has his moments in the show. Guest star Eddie Izzard is good too.
  • The protagonist, Will Graham. Terrible nonsense character. Why. Does. He. Talk. So. Slow? This character almost ruins the show for me. He (1) is a professor (2) is an FBI consultant/criminal profiler (3) an avid fly fisherman (4) has ~10 stray dogs, all different breeds (5) has severe mental health problems. Any one of those things is a full time job. Will Graham is trying to be 5 different characters, more if you count his "empathic abilities" (lazy writing), and the result is still somehow boring.
  • The show needed better medical and forensics consulting. There are people in this show who we are supposed to believe are doctors frequently using words like "sociopath," "psychopath," etc. Will Graham could have been an awesome character if instead of "empathic abilities" he was just highly dedicated to his field of study and spent all of his free time pursuing it instead of e.g. teaching classes or taking care of 10 stray dogs.

The good in this show is really good btw, but the ugly is really, really ugly. I wish the dialog had better pacing and less. talking. like. this. trying. to. be. dramatic. I wish Will Graham was written completely differently. No human being has time for 5 full time jobs much less someone suffering from autism/aspergers/whatever mental illness Will Graham is supposed to have.

I would like to say that you should remember this is based on novels that have already been written and characters that already existed. The writers didn't choose who Will Graham is and create the world that he's in, They are simply portraying him and how they think he should be.

I disagree with your analysis of Will's abilities, however. Without his "gift" he wouldn't really be able to get into the mind of his killers, which is one of the most important aspects of the show. It's one of the main reasons that he's a suspect in the first season and it's why he feels such a deep connection to Hannibal and his murders.

I am not sure why you think Will Graham has too many aspects. It's not really uncommon for people who are world renowned in their field to also be working as consultants, and the dogs help show that he has a hard time relating to other people and prefers the company of his stray dogs. I don't think either of those are complete nonsense. The fishing is somewhat unnecessary, but it's used in a lot of dreamlike scenes for symbolism and is more of a recurring theme than an overarching plot line. The show could probably do without it, but it's not awful. Maybe it's a lot to juggle for a TV character, but I don't think the dogs and the fishing are meant to be really significant plot devices. They're just minor aspects of Will that help develop him and his personality.

I agree that some of the dialog is kind of belabored and a lot of the show (especially in the third season, if you're up to that) is self-indulgent. I don't think that the show has the most realistic characters or even tries to make them realistic, but I can understand that it would frustrate some people.


The only Thomas Harris novel I've read is Silence of the Lambs so I didn't have any background on Will Graham before going into this show. His "gift" is my biggest problem with the character though, the hobbies are just slightly irritating and seem unnecessary. His gift seems like a really lazy narrative device to me. I can imagine a different version of Will Graham who is a scholar in his field and spends all of his free time immersing himself in medical/forsensic/criminal data; who can also (inadvertently) get too far into the minds of the killers. I think this would be a much more interesting approach to the character because instead of some vague "gift" that allows Will to instantly understand every crime he sees, we get to see logical explanations and motives. I think it's easy to believe that someone who studies crime constantly would have trouble not letting it get to them, especially if they are pushed like Will Graham is.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
June 26 2015 01:31 GMT
#651
Actually, that was possibly not fair. The character Will Graham as is could be a good character. The dialog in this show is bad and doesn't allow for this though. As an example:

Situation 1
<no build-up to this scene>
Will Graham is talking -very- slowly with long awkward pauses between his words. The audience wonders why he isn't talking normal. Yes he has issues but these issues do not explain why he is annunciating his words like an idiot. Also, he maintains the same slightly furrowed eyebrows facial expression 100% of the time. Why? The audience assumes it is because the actor Hugh Dancy is trying to be dramatic, since there is no logical plot related reason for Will Graham to be talking like an idiot in this way. Will Graham is a highly educated man; Hugh Dancy is an actor wrestling with a bad script. The way he speaks kills my suspension of disbelief.

Situation 2
<immediately prior to this scene Will Graham experienced something highly traumatic>
Will Graham is talking -very- slowly with long awkward pauses between his words. This makes sense because prior to this scene Will Graham experienced something highly traumatic.

This show has a lot more of situation 1 than situation 2.
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 02:09:03
June 26 2015 02:07 GMT
#652
Bleh.

For shows like this, I like to watch the entire season at once, couple episodes per day, instead of waiting weekly for the next feast. Sorry to contribute to the low ratings. I actually forgot it was on. Just like I forgot NBA finals was on. (curse you, dota tournaments!)

Frankly I watch the show for the cinematography, art direction, and mind-fucks more than anything. The food photography especially, the frozen "Beverly slides" etc - sublime eye candy! The classical music too.

I don't see how a bad script has anything to do with slow speech delivery. I'm sure Hugh can read his lines 30% quicker, but for some reason he acts like he has to burn 8000 calories just to speak on this show. Is it the accent? Or perhaps it's the director's decision?
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
June 27 2015 04:22 GMT
#653
I always got the impression that Will Graham just chooses his words carefully. To use a metaphor, the way he talks reminds me of watching someone wade across a river; every step is chosen carefully and deliberately, while making slow, steady, progress. When he talks, he sort of picks his way across the conversation.

As for other points made, I've always treated the show as some sort of dark surrealist fantasy, so I gloss over a lot of things that wouldn't fit in well if I cared about realism.
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JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2517 Posts
June 27 2015 07:14 GMT
#654
Last year I watched the first season for the first time and it was an up & down of emotions. Some of the episodes were pretty great while others were just average but the overall quality was good enough to keep me interested.
The second season was way better in my opionion. I liked almost every single episode - especially the last one - and could not wait for season three.
After watching the first two episodes of the third season I got to admit that the show became almost unwatchable for me. I have no idea what they are talking about 80% of the time, the dialogues degenerated into random strings of words. Hannibal was always about a rich language and metaphors, yet this season it's way too much for my taste.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-03 17:39:26
July 03 2015 11:03 GMT
#655
MOD EDIT: Put in a spoiler because it was reported as a spoiler and I have no idea if it actually is a spoiler. So it may or may not be a spoiler, click at your own risk

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wow
this episode was pretty rough
morpheus kicking it
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malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
July 03 2015 11:48 GMT
#656


for comparison
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-03 16:37:20
July 03 2015 16:32 GMT
#657
I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I feel like the dialogue volume is so low and slow, which forces me to turn up my volume, but the background volume is perfectly normal which makes my volume super loud, so I'm constantly adjusting the volume every episode. -.-
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-03 22:13:08
July 03 2015 22:12 GMT
#658
Okay I giving up on this show, will watch it till the end but this season has been a huge letdown so far
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Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
July 05 2015 09:10 GMT
#659
I dunno, the ending of the last episode was kind of cathartic. I enjoyed it.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
MicroTastiC
Profile Joined January 2011
375 Posts
July 05 2015 13:35 GMT
#660
same
0x64
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Finland4536 Posts
July 10 2015 11:15 GMT
#661
And how about this ending :D?

The end of the episodes are getting better.
Still the whole episode seems like a psychedelic trip. Very different from other show for sure.
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
July 10 2015 12:27 GMT
#662
Going to save up whole season and watch them in one go, can't sit down to watch show like this in summer lol

Maybe the weather contributes to its rating rofl
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
asron
Profile Joined October 2013
France6 Posts
July 15 2015 10:13 GMT
#663
i can't believe what this show has begun... this is simply the biggest failure or this year (so far)
will watch til the end anyway but i don't care if there's no season 4
in fact, i'd prefer that the show stops here
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
July 17 2015 13:39 GMT
#664
Dunno what everyone's complaining about. While I was a bit let down by the first episode, I feel like each episode after that has gotten better and better. Ep 7 is probably one of my favorite episodes of the whole series. Will be very, very disappointed if no one picks it up for a 4th season.
Long live the King of Wings
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32739 Posts
July 17 2015 14:08 GMT
#665
I can only wish I have a bromance as deep as Hannibal and Will have.
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
July 17 2015 17:11 GMT
#666
Yeah that was a pretty good episode and now it's time for red dragon.
Dekker
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany169 Posts
August 02 2015 19:49 GMT
#667
Must say, I like the red dragon arc until now. First few episode where little bit confusing at times, but right now its back at season 2 awesomeness. Sad to see it go after this season...
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
August 02 2015 21:46 GMT
#668
I've mixed feelings about this season, but it definitely entertains enough that I really don't want to see it cancelled. I'm loving the flashbacks to s2 though
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
August 28 2015 07:54 GMT
#669
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THAT ENDING JESUS CHRIST. 100% makes up for the kinda eh first half of the season.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
malcram
Profile Joined November 2010
2752 Posts
August 28 2015 10:41 GMT
#670
the chills.
prOpSnuffe
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden241 Posts
August 28 2015 10:42 GMT
#671
Couldn't be more happy with the finale, what an amazing 3 seasons and it's a shame it won't continue.
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iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
August 28 2015 10:51 GMT
#672
Really ended on a cliffhanger.
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
August 28 2015 11:21 GMT
#673
i ve just started this show, its pretty good so far (s1ep3) so got some stuff to watch ~
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Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
August 28 2015 19:53 GMT
#674
On August 28 2015 19:42 prOpSnuffe wrote:
Couldn't be more happy with the finale, what an amazing 3 seasons and it's a shame it won't continue.

It was a great way to end it, but I want to believe that they'll get their movie or something.

On August 28 2015 19:51 iHirO wrote:
Really ended on a cliffhanger.

You might even say it hit rock bottom.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
August 29 2015 04:12 GMT
#675
Geez, this season was absolutely awful.

There's a difference between plot holes and absolutely nothing making sense... Sigh.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
August 29 2015 22:59 GMT
#676
I really liked this show, the bromance is beautiful. Just watched s3 finale, and I felt like a good ending of the show. One of the weirdest show I've seen, but in a good way.

Dunno why people give it low rating, but then again most people love Marvel's comicshows
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
August 30 2015 03:29 GMT
#677
On August 30 2015 07:59 crappen wrote:
I really liked this show, the bromance is beautiful. Just watched s3 finale, and I felt like a good ending of the show. One of the weirdest show I've seen, but in a good way.

Dunno why people give it low rating, but then again most people love Marvel's comicshows


It's not that... I would have thought I'd like a show like this, but the unrealism is what was killing me. I like starting with an improbable situation, having a series of unlikely events follow which lead us to explore events that usually in our society we wouldn't get to. However the governing dynamics of how they work need to be similar to ours.

To me, Hannibal felt like a show that tried to be deep and confusing to look sophisticated, yet in the end, it felt like a story that ended up spitting out interesting shit as it went a long. I hate when a story has so little foreshadowing that you couldn't even predict a single thing in the future episode. They reach these absurd conclusions out of nothing, and as such, they can make conclusions about anything to make their story go in whatever direction.

Add to that extremely unrealistic news reporting, police that doesn't even make sense, keeping around Will when he's clearly unstable, and simply having like 4 people calling all the shots about such big things. And then you get a stupid character like the Red Dragon who clearly is not educated, and just manages to do everything miraculously, and of course, there's no form of tracking or lead on him - very unrealistic.

I dunno, I would have preferred the story be more believable, which in the first season it felt more so.
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
August 30 2015 10:33 GMT
#678
The last two episodes were two of the most brutal hours of this whole series. Last season started off slow, but boy did that back end pick up. Everything with Chilton was great, and Richard Armitage was downright scary as Francis Dolarhyde. Brilliant performance.

Also lol asking for realism in a show about Hannibal Lecter.
Long live the King of Wings
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 16:46:19
August 30 2015 16:42 GMT
#679
Why do you think Francis is uneducated? Since he has schizophrenic does that imply he is uneducated or something?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Ronaaldo
Profile Joined September 2015
United States7 Posts
September 05 2015 09:58 GMT
#680
Last night i completed second season of Hannibal tv show and i really like this season.
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
September 15 2015 17:58 GMT
#681
Just finished season 3, what a weird show. and the woman decides to eat her own leg at the end? okay..
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
September 15 2015 18:29 GMT
#682
On August 30 2015 12:29 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 07:59 crappen wrote:
I really liked this show, the bromance is beautiful. Just watched s3 finale, and I felt like a good ending of the show. One of the weirdest show I've seen, but in a good way.

Dunno why people give it low rating, but then again most people love Marvel's comicshows


It's not that... I would have thought I'd like a show like this, but the unrealism is what was killing me. I like starting with an improbable situation, having a series of unlikely events follow which lead us to explore events that usually in our society we wouldn't get to. However the governing dynamics of how they work need to be similar to ours.

To me, Hannibal felt like a show that tried to be deep and confusing to look sophisticated, yet in the end, it felt like a story that ended up spitting out interesting shit as it went a long. I hate when a story has so little foreshadowing that you couldn't even predict a single thing in the future episode. They reach these absurd conclusions out of nothing, and as such, they can make conclusions about anything to make their story go in whatever direction.

Add to that extremely unrealistic news reporting, police that doesn't even make sense, keeping around Will when he's clearly unstable, and simply having like 4 people calling all the shots about such big things. And then you get a stupid character like the Red Dragon who clearly is not educated, and just manages to do everything miraculously, and of course, there's no form of tracking or lead on him - very unrealistic.

I dunno, I would have preferred the story be more believable, which in the first season it felt more so.


I simply appreciated it being absurd and a little over my head. And the Red Dragon has two sides, one the uneducated, and the other, the dragon who can do these amazing things.
Not saying it's perfect, but for me, it was a pretty damn good show, and it ended really well. I actually don't want it to drag out longer, ok maybe a season more but that's it.

For me all this was easy to swallow and just follow all these bizarre directions
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
September 15 2015 18:48 GMT
#683
On September 16 2015 02:58 Assault_1 wrote:
Just finished season 3, what a weird show. and the woman decides to eat her own leg at the end? okay..


I think it is meant to imply that Hannibal is still alive. There are empty seats with dishes at the table with her =)
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 23:06:55
September 15 2015 19:21 GMT
#684
On September 16 2015 03:48 willoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 02:58 Assault_1 wrote:
Just finished season 3, what a weird show. and the woman decides to eat her own leg at the end? okay..


I think it is meant to imply that Hannibal is still alive. There are empty seats with dishes at the table with her =)


She also hides a fork under her napkin implying that there is somebody to stab with it.

I hope that Will is eating her though.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
September 15 2015 21:31 GMT
#685
On September 16 2015 03:48 willoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 02:58 Assault_1 wrote:
Just finished season 3, what a weird show. and the woman decides to eat her own leg at the end? okay..


I think it is meant to imply that Hannibal is still alive. There are empty seats with dishes at the table with her =)

ya makes sense, I'm not very good at picking up on these things. What about where Will and Hannibal jump off the cliff, that was another part that made me go "uhh.. okay, why?"
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-15 22:52:58
September 15 2015 21:42 GMT
#686
On September 16 2015 06:31 Assault_1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 03:48 willoc wrote:
On September 16 2015 02:58 Assault_1 wrote:
Just finished season 3, what a weird show. and the woman decides to eat her own leg at the end? okay..


I think it is meant to imply that Hannibal is still alive. There are empty seats with dishes at the table with her =)

ya makes sense, I'm not very good at picking up on these things. What about where Will and Hannibal jump off the cliff, that was another part that made me go "uhh.. okay, why?"


Will realized that he actually enjoys what Hannibal has tried to turn him into, but he also knows that he can't run around with Hannibal killing people, so he decided to kill them both.
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