Just seen the first episode and really liked the portray of Hannibal. Gentleman serial killers are always strange and hard to play as an actor but so far Mads Mikkelsen doing great job.
First Episode was done pretty well. The figure of Lecter is portayed pretty awesome . This show could be great if it keeps it up . Hopefully they don't drag out the story too much and keep it interesting .
Thought it was pretty good... Did Mads always have a lisp like that or is that part of the act? I don't remember him ever having a lisp in his other movies.
Really enjoyed this first episode. It's got so many interesting factors going for it all at once. It's very similar to the overarching setup of dexter but the tone of the show is much different. It seemed more somber the whole way through whereas dexter oscillates between warm/happy and death/darkness. I'm not entirely sure whether the viewer is supposed to support Mads as a protagonist though? He seems rational and likable enough minus the whole serial killer red flag thing.
Also, I'm curious to know whether there will be a version of doakes in this, so to speak, who saw through to the serial killer/dark part of dexter. Mads seems to have a bit of an odd persona so I wonder whether anyone will start to pick up on it and begin suspecting anything.
This show was tense and turgid. Engorged and reddened by blood. Mads Millkensin was a German lover, caressing, massaging the scenes of the show; while Mr. Claire Danes had the same energy of a skittish nubile milk maid.
I watched the pilot episode today and my god i loved it ahah. Mads Milkensin man, just love him so far inthe show. I think im hooked to a new tv show. god cant wait for next week's episode.
Really liked it. I hope they don't overdo the "backtrack and re-enact crime scene" kinda thing. Where it goes slow-mo and that beam of like oscillates back and forth while the set backs up so he can re create the crime.
I feel if they keep using it a lot, it'll just get annoying.
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.
Have you ever watched / read anything Hannibal?
I have watched two of the movies and i knew what was gonna happen. I am not saying this show is bad or anything like that. This is not my type of show, i just couldn't bear watching some scenes.
On April 08 2013 10:25 Kenpark wrote: Good show, but I think it moved way too fast. Do we get some new serial killer in every episode now ? Liked the pacing of the killing much more.
Hannibal will most likely be one/the one they are hunting without knowing it. He wants the main character to go full psycho serial killer so he will try to affect him as much as possible.
i tried to like this and i'll give it a few more episodes, but i feel like it's trying very hard to fill the gap that dexter will be leaving, but they haven't created any likable characters.
The main guy is too weird, and he lacks any human emotion that people can relate to. Hannibal is unlikable because well he's Hannibal and you know he's ultimately a bad guy, and Lawrence Fishburne is just your stereotypical cop.
I feel like they gave up true character development and good writing (letting you fill in the gaps for obvious stuff, and not having them DETAIL EVERYTHING) in exchange for some 'horror' special effect scenes.
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.
it was pretty gruesome. However, I feel like Dr. Lecter is gonna be like the main genius-gentleman serial killer and hannibal will be helping the feds to get lecter, just my thoughts on where the tv series is going
On April 09 2013 05:46 Kazeyonoma wrote: i tried to like this and i'll give it a few more episodes, but i feel like it's trying very hard to fill the gap that dexter will be leaving, but they haven't created any likable characters.
The main guy is too weird, and he lacks any human emotion that people can relate to. Hannibal is unlikable because well he's Hannibal and you know he's ultimately a bad guy, and Lawrence Fishburne is just your stereotypical cop.
I feel like they gave up true character development and good writing (letting you fill in the gaps for obvious stuff, and not having them DETAIL EVERYTHING) in exchange for some 'horror' special effect scenes.
That's not fair - it's a freaking pilot episode. Don Draper didn't develop in episode one, neither did Walter White or Tony Soprano. The first episode introduces premise, tone and characters. It's a beautiful show, aesthetically. The colors are deep and it's filmed in a visceral angry way. The premise is at least intriguing, it is Hannibal, after all.
You said you don't like the characters but I think the leads are excellent. Will is twitchy, tormented. Hannibal is cold and magnetic. Their chemistry is good. I do think there's some murder-porno issues but that's just kind of a thing they do. Not my favorite either but I do give them credit for being so....direct on network television.
This show has got some potential, but for me it's all going to be about if they keep emphasizing these supernatural and unscientific things like the re-living crimes, despite trying to be a rather scientific show.
On April 09 2013 16:33 TigerKarl wrote: This show has got some potential, but for me it's all going to be about if they keep emphasizing these supernatural and unscientific things like the re-living crimes, despite trying to be a rather scientific show.
It doesn't have anything to do with supernatural, it's about overuse of emphaty and lack of psychological stability.
On April 09 2013 16:33 TigerKarl wrote: This show has got some potential, but for me it's all going to be about if they keep emphasizing these supernatural and unscientific things like the re-living crimes, despite trying to be a rather scientific show.
It doesn't have anything to do with supernatural, it's about overuse of emphaty and lack of psychological stability.
On April 09 2013 16:33 TigerKarl wrote: This show has got some potential, but for me it's all going to be about if they keep emphasizing these supernatural and unscientific things like the re-living crimes, despite trying to be a rather scientific show.
It doesn't have anything to do with supernatural, it's about overuse of emphaty and lack of psychological stability.
nope
The reimagining the scene stuff is just a juice to spice up the show and make pilot more desirable.
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.
it was pretty gruesome. However, I feel like Dr. Lecter is gonna be like the main genius-gentleman serial killer and hannibal will be helping the feds to get lecter, just my thoughts on where the tv series is going
Not sure if i understand u but Hannibal and Dr Lecter = the same guy.
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.
it was pretty gruesome. However, I feel like Dr. Lecter is gonna be like the main genius-gentleman serial killer and hannibal will be helping the feds to get lecter, just my thoughts on where the tv series is going
Not sure if i understand u but Hannibal and Dr Lecter = the same guy.
I think that what he meant to say is that Lecter's going to be helping the Feds in the investigation into a serial killer that is actually, secretly himself.
It will be interesting to see how long they can stretch the story out. It's rather tough to make a compelling long term show when the fate of the main characters has already been resolved in other movies/books. Seems more like a mini-series than a show that could go on for multiple seasons.
Watching dr. lecter slice the lungs of the girl and make a meal out of it felt incredibly weird. I can't watch this show.
it was pretty gruesome. However, I feel like Dr. Lecter is gonna be like the main genius-gentleman serial killer and hannibal will be helping the feds to get lecter, just my thoughts on where the tv series is going
Not sure if i understand u but Hannibal and Dr Lecter = the same guy.
I think that what he meant to say is that Lecter's going to be helping the Feds in the investigation into a serial killer that is actually, secretly himself.
thats what i meant. names never stick with me for the first season xD
On April 09 2013 23:40 xAshCanaaNx wrote: I don't watch this show but damn, I wish there was a TV series with Jodie Foster as Clarice Starling and Anthony Hopkins as Lecter
So I watched the Pilot, and it was kinda obvious that Lector was the copycat killer who took the lungs out.
I hope that I'm right with the facts, but the girl before that, the one that put back in her bed as a "apologize". Her liver got pulled out, and put back in because she had cancer by the real serial killed, and was uneatable, does that mean the real serial killer was a cannibal as well?
Yes, the real serial killer was a cannibal as well. At the beginning of the show, Jack Crawford mentioned that no body parts were found from the victims, thus the assumption is that the serial killer was eating them. Will Graham and most viewers didn't come to this conclusion until they found the actual body of the "Apologized" girl and was conducting the autopsy.
I think the show will feature the capture of Hannibal soon. The show will then be diverted into two story arcs.
-Hannibal as the consultant for the FBI on future serial killer files ala "Buffalo Bill" or "Red Dragon" cases.
-Hannibal tormenting Will Graham into a sociopath and Will's eventual demise via the "Red Dragon" movie.
On April 10 2013 01:37 placebo guy wrote:I think the show will feature the capture of Hannibal soon. The show will then be diverted into two story arcs.
-Hannibal as the consultant for the FBI on future serial killer files ala "Buffalo Bill" or "Red Dragon" cases.
-Hannibal tormenting Will Graham into a sociopath and Will's eventual demise via the "Red Dragon" movie.
Season 2 will then feature Clarice Starling.
Hope I'm right.
Nah man, I don't think so. There is a whole lot of plot and action they could potentially utilize before that point. What you suggest may happen but I think it would make much more sense as a major game-changer after 2-4 seasons, kind of reinventing the show and turning over a new leaf/giving it a new life. If they go ahead down that road right away then they miss out on a lot of dramatic irony where the viewers can yell at the characters for not realizing the truth sooner. Its a big gap right now that could be filled with a lot of quality story telling. Moments where he narrowly escapes detection, lucks out, or subtly hints through doublespeak to the police that he is a killer.
That first case did seem quit rushed though for there to be such a buildup of months of unsolved killings so who knows.
On April 09 2013 05:46 Kazeyonoma wrote: i tried to like this and i'll give it a few more episodes, but i feel like it's trying very hard to fill the gap that dexter will be leaving, but they haven't created any likable characters.
The main guy is too weird, and he lacks any human emotion that people can relate to. Hannibal is unlikable because well he's Hannibal and you know he's ultimately a bad guy, and Lawrence Fishburne is just your stereotypical cop.
I feel like they gave up true character development and good writing (letting you fill in the gaps for obvious stuff, and not having them DETAIL EVERYTHING) in exchange for some 'horror' special effect scenes.
That's not fair - it's a freaking pilot episode. Don Draper didn't develop in episode one, neither did Walter White or Tony Soprano. The first episode introduces premise, tone and characters. It's a beautiful show, aesthetically. The colors are deep and it's filmed in a visceral angry way. The premise is at least intriguing, it is Hannibal, after all.
You said you don't like the characters but I think the leads are excellent. Will is twitchy, tormented. Hannibal is cold and magnetic. Their chemistry is good. I do think there's some murder-porno issues but that's just kind of a thing they do. Not my favorite either but I do give them credit for being so....direct on network television.
Like I said, I'll give it a few more episodes because I know the pilot episodes are always a bit more... dumbed down. So i'm curious to see how they'll take this.
Will being twitchy and tormented isn't a trait that I find interesting. He's almost TOO stereotypical serial killer. Like they went into the psychology books, looked up Serial Killer, and had him study it ad nauseum. Like I said, i find Hannibal cool, and their interesting chemistry will be the driving part of the story to me, but the role being played for Will is just too weird to me, too stereotypical, and he's unlikeable. He's isn't showing his humanity by being a weirdo, he's alienating himself from the viewership more that way. Think of all of the great shows you listed, the main characters were either likeable, respectable, worshippable, or endearing. All of which are things that we can relate to, that boss you hate but wish you could be, that guy who just wants to do right by his family and will make poor decisions to do so. The tough guy who deep down inside just wants whats best for his family (again). I mean if you come out with a show like this you KNOW they're gonna compare it to Dexter, and Dexter had wit, and showed that he at least pretended to act normal around people because he KNEW he was weird, and it was that fakeness that people could attach themselves to, because we ALL act fake.
Will on the other hand, is just weird, he's annoying, he's twitchy, he's in pain, he's that awkward guy that we all work with, but no one likes him because not only is he vastly more intelligent than us, he makes it KNOWN to everyone that he is. no one wants to be friends with that guy.
I hope they do something wiht the characters, especially Fishburne, he deserves more than just being the Cop who is the leash to some twitchy man.
On April 10 2013 08:38 Kazeyonoma wrote: Will on the other hand, is just weird, he's annoying, he's twitchy, he's in pain, he's that awkward guy that we all work with, but no one likes him because not only is he vastly more intelligent than us, he makes it KNOWN to everyone that he is. no one wants to be friends with that guy.
That's quite a lot to write about a character after seeing him in one episode. Why were you complaining about him being underdeveloped?
You don't necessarily need to have likeable characters you can relate to in the movies (all of them being bad guys for example). Sometimes it's enough if they're interesting and you turn into someone who's watching it with interest while not being as strongly attached to the characters - you become the observer as the story unfolds in front of you. Personally, I didn't like Will as a person either, but as a character he's got a lot of potential. I consider him a Pandora's Box when it comes to the development.
And to all who are worried about it going into "Red Dragon", well, it's based on the book, says so right at the start of the show. But there are going to be some (hopefully) interesting mindgames going on between Will and Hannibal; Will slowly succumbing to the darkness, desperately trying to fight it (most likely with the help of the psychiatrist girl) and Hannibal silently manipulating him from the shadows all the time.
Two pretty good episodes so far BUT i hope it doesn't become a we catch a new wierd psychotic badguy every Episode while we set-up the overarching plot with Hannibal too much . Could get dull after a while.
so at what point (in terms of the books) does this series take place? Before Red Dragon or after Silence of the Lambs?
I don't know if Mads Mikkelsen is the right person for the role. He's too stereotypical creepy. It'll be really hard to relate him to Anthony Hopkin's Hannibal.
On April 13 2013 05:36 EpiK wrote: so at what point (in terms of the books) does this series take place? Before Red Dragon or after Silence of the Lambs?
It's set "before" Red Dragon. However, with everything being set ~30 years later, Crawford being black, Lounds being a woman and Will Graham being more eccentric than ever before, I think it's better to view it as a separate universe; this is Ultimate Hannibal.
Stammets was a nod to Tom Noonan, right? They look a lot alike and Stammets even wore the same glasses as I have seen Noonan wear. Also, and hold onto your hats, Tom Noonan played Francis Dollarhyde in the original movie about Hannibal Lecter, Manhunter.
Conclusion: Francis Dollarhyde aka Red Dragon will be the final enemy (not counting Mads, of course).
I preferred the second episode to the first, even though it was a very strong pilot. Hope they maintain or exceed this level, assuming it gets picked up for another season.
I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common. The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk. Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common. The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk. Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.
This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.
Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common. The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk. Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.
This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.
Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?
Thats the thing with Lecter. You never know. Hes not eating human flesh every time he eats. But somehow it adds suspension to the scenerie. I like it.
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common. The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk. Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.
This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.
Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?
It did happen when they were first analyzing the bodies in the lab.
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common. The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk. Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.
This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.
Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?
I think it's suppose to be up in the air. I don't think it is human flesh; but similar to the opening of Dexter. That knowing he's a serial killer everything looks far more sinister; such as the sauce on the loin in episode 2.
As long as this show doesn't devolve into a daily routine of "bad-guy-of-the-day", I'm convinced the story will do well. Understandably, you can't stick with one serial killer for a whole season or two, and I'm all for variety, but if they just filter through serial killers like Scooby Doo does with monsters, it just gets formulaic and we don't get to see the interactions between Graham and Lecter as much, which is the whole basis of the story imo.
I dont think Will is convincingly autistic, at all. It seems more like an assertion than an actual aspect of his character, doubly so given they continuously hammer home his analytical skills are predicated on empathy. You mean that thing Autistics are suppose to be bad at? Yeahhh...
Otherwise I like the show and the characters, and I think this Hannibal fits the character far better than Anthony Hopkins ever did. The only downside is I find him a bit hard to understand at times. Oh well.
On April 13 2013 06:55 Jockmcplop wrote: I've seen alot of US cop shows and they all have one thing in common. The playing out of a scenario by a group of 3-5 people where they each take it in turns to talk. Its so fucking annoying once you notice it.
This wouldn't appear to be the case with Hannibal, then.
Also, when Lecter brings Will breakfast and eats with Crawford, is the implication that he's feeding them human flesh?
I think it's suppose to be up in the air. I don't think it is human flesh; but similar to the opening of Dexter. That knowing he's a serial killer everything looks far more sinister; such as the sauce on the loin in episode 2.
When he had meal with Crawford my immidiate thought was the annoying journalist he just had a creepy talk ended up on the plate.
On April 13 2013 07:25 Dazed_Spy wrote: Otherwise I like the show and the characters, and I think this Hannibal fits the character far better than Anthony Hopkins ever did. The only downside is I find him a bit hard to understand at times. Oh well.
That's what they were going for. English accent you can't put to a specific location. Seeing how Lecter is Lithuanian, most likely schooled in England and with lots of pretty obscure past it makes sense, although I agree that the way Mads is speaking seems a bit slurred, probably due to his "stiff upper lip" (which helps him play all those bad guys devoid of emotion, take Le Chiffre for example).
On April 13 2013 07:12 wei2coolman wrote: Criminal Minds have been doing that forever.
I dont know Criminal Minds, but I guess its just a regular murder case every episode kind of show ? That is completely fine with me. But here we have a crazy criminal case every episode with multiple victims. I mean how many cases of serial killers there even have been in lets say the last 5 years in the US ? I dont know for me it seems rly implausible. I really really want to like this show, as I very much enjoyed all the Hannibal movies, but if this continues in this pace I´m gonna abondon it.
On April 13 2013 07:25 Dazed_Spy wrote: I dont think Will is convincingly autistic, at all. It seems more like an assertion than an actual aspect of his character, doubly so given they continuously hammer home his analytical skills are predicated on empathy. You mean that thing Autistics are suppose to be bad at? Yeahhh...
Otherwise I like the show and the characters, and I think this Hannibal fits the character far better than Anthony Hopkins ever did. The only downside is I find him a bit hard to understand at times. Oh well.
I don't think Will is supposed to be autistic, he just said that's what he's closest to when the chief asked him a question about his mind. I haven't read the books though, so someone please enlighten me if it is explicit that he is autistic in the books.
Also, yeah sometimes I don't understand what Mads says, but I don't really care cause he's Mads.
I love the scene where Hannibal tells Lounds that she´s been a naughty girl and then immediately after we see Jack and Hannibal eating some kind of exotic pork. Are they eating her?!
However I am not really liking the Will Graham guy.
On April 13 2013 15:24 Flingoko wrote: I love the scene where Hannibal tells Lounds that she´s been a naughty girl and then immediately after we see Jack and Hannibal eating some kind of exotic pork. Are they eating her?!
However I am not really liking the Will Graham guy.
No, Lounds is to appear in all 13 episodes, according to IMDB.
On April 13 2013 07:12 wei2coolman wrote: Criminal Minds have been doing that forever.
I dont know Criminal Minds, but I guess its just a regular murder case every episode kind of show ? That is completely fine with me. But here we have a crazy criminal case every episode with multiple victims. I mean how many cases of serial killers there even have been in lets say the last 5 years in the US ? I dont know for me it seems rly implausible. I really really want to like this show, as I very much enjoyed all the Hannibal movies, but if this continues in this pace I´m gonna abondon it.
It's about group of fbi agents that deal with catching serial killers/rapists/spree killers/etc.etc., most of the bad guys are usually psychopaths or sociopaths.
There's a real life stat though that estimates that there a lot of active serial killers in america,. Not totally unrealistic, but it definitely dulls the story a bit.
On April 09 2013 05:46 Kazeyonoma wrote: i tried to like this and i'll give it a few more episodes, but i feel like it's trying very hard to fill the gap that dexter will be leaving, but they haven't created any likable characters.
The main guy is too weird, and he lacks any human emotion that people can relate to. Hannibal is unlikable because well he's Hannibal and you know he's ultimately a bad guy, and Lawrence Fishburne is just your stereotypical cop.
I feel like they gave up true character development and good writing (letting you fill in the gaps for obvious stuff, and not having them DETAIL EVERYTHING) in exchange for some 'horror' special effect scenes.
That's incredibly curious to me - because I feel that in the first two season (which is all I could force myself to sit through of dexter) they didn't form a single interesting character, let a lone a likeable one.
In contrast, I find Will Graham to be a character that I can..... empathize with. Incredibly well. If the rest of the show continues as the first two episodes have gone, then dexter ought to be thought of as nothing more than a joke that went on way too long.
Well, seems like they decided to limit the esoteric crime re-living trash to once per episode. I'll give it some more time then. The dialogue writing is occasionally intelligent, but overall lacking. So far it's a 6-7/10. Let's see how it developes.
On April 13 2013 16:11 Flingoko wrote: Yeah, i know. But I was unaware when i saw the scene
Ah ok, I missinterpreted your post then, sorry .
Well over all till now the series did good in my oppinion. Lets wait and see how the Season turns out. Pinning a series down on 1 or 2 episodes is sometimes not giving a series the justice it deserves. Until now though, and judying by the trailers I think its going to get better in the later episodes.
On April 13 2013 15:42 Dekker wrote: Besides the IMDB hint, we saw her that very same episode again, too... She called the police after the fungus guy shot the officer...
Plus she's Lounds. She's not going to die unless Francis Dolarhyde is introduced and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.
On April 13 2013 15:42 Dekker wrote: Besides the IMDB hint, we saw her that very same episode again, too... She called the police after the fungus guy shot the officer...
Plus she's Lounds. She's not going to die unless Francis Dolarhyde is introduced and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.
Dollarhyde is apparently going to show up in Season 4.
So if the TV producers are going to bring back Dolarhyde, Buffalo Bill is almost certain, as well as Clarice Starling as a supporting or even a main character (like main POV) if they try to stick with the book canon.
On April 13 2013 15:42 Dekker wrote: Besides the IMDB hint, we saw her that very same episode again, too... She called the police after the fungus guy shot the officer...
Plus she's Lounds. She's not going to die unless Francis Dolarhyde is introduced and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.
Dollarhyde is apparently going to show up in Season 4.
On April 14 2013 13:13 PhoenixVoid wrote: So if the TV producers are going to bring back Dolarhyde, Buffalo Bill is almost certain, as well as Clarice Starling as a supporting or even a main character (like main POV) if they try to stick with the book canon.
that's actually pretty neat. I'd also like to see a young Verger when he was just a patient of Hannibal's, which isn't too inconceivable if they're having the characters you mentioned make appearances.
Just watched the first two episodes. Hannibal's character is just not doing it for me. I mean he's doing everything that's expected of the role but it still just feels a bit stale. I guess it's still a bit early.
Also, Graham is not at all like how I pictured him in the books lol.
Well I finally got a chance to watch the first two episodes and while its certainly an interesting concept and kept me entertained (also WTF is Scott Thompson doing in this show, LOLOLOLOL), it raises questions about the longevity of this show. If this is a 2-3 season affair I can see this being a potentially very good show, but beyond that I'm not sure that they could effectively drag it out and maintain audience interest.
On April 13 2013 15:42 Dekker wrote: Besides the IMDB hint, we saw her that very same episode again, too... She called the police after the fungus guy shot the officer...
Plus she's Lounds. She's not going to die unless Francis Dolarhyde is introduced and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.
I'm confused as to why they needed this character to be Freddie/y Lounds . Just to fit in someone that is in the books/movies ? Not to mention Lounds was a guy originally.
The acting most of the time was garbage, the characters are total garbage and speak and behave in totally unrealistic ways except of course Mr. Hannibal himself which is the main character really and looked like a worthy succesor of the original portray of Hannibal, (well not really but it's tv, so...) a sophisticated sociopath, he was totally macabre, except the exagerated accent, but whatever. It looked totally fairy talish the way they make assumptions about criminal profiling like how they came to the conclusion that it was a father trying to kill his daughter or whatever, it was totally unreasonable, now I know it's only entertainment but they streched that a way too much, the only real good part of the first episode was the ending, where the guy slices the girl's throat and what happened after that, that was worth the watch.
The many one liners and bad acting before getting there almost sent me to sleep early, the scene in the bathroom where Fishbourne screams "go to the ladies room", or when he meets Hannibal and confuses the Dr. with the patient leaving the room while the real doctor was standing in the door, I don't see how you would not recognize the owner of the office when one is leaving and one is standing by the door saying good bye... or when Fishbourne refers himself as a layman in a rather odd way, w/e, or how they portrait the professor turned detective, he's not supposed to be a pussy from what I remenber of the original movies, which I'm a huge fan of, he seemed like a total pussy while in the movie he was a shady smart dude but with a lot of ballz and imagination and not some nerd professor that seemed to teach art instead of forensics. Ok I have to repeat, the way they portrayed the 'psicological profiling' was the worse, it was total garbage how they made so many unreasonable asumptions, it makes the series dumb and not smart like they try to, they try to portray the characters as super men super smart but it's so unrealistic that I cannot see anyone feeling identified with such hollywoodesque characters, the whole point of Hannibal is that he is this super smart doctor that is sophisticated but likes to eat people but that you would never know if you met him, but you would suspect he's hiding something.
On April 15 2013 08:51 Nevermind86 wrote: The acting most of the time was garbage, the characters are total garbage and speak and behave in totally unrealistic ways except of course Mr. Hannibal himself which is the main character really and looked like a worthy succesor of the original portray of Hannibal, (well not really but it's tv, so...) a sophisticated sociopath, he was totally macabre, except the exagerated accent, but whatever. It looked totally fairy talish the way they make assumptions about criminal profiling like how they came to the conclusion that it was a father trying to kill his daughter or whatever, it was totally unreasonable, now I know it's only entertainment but they streched that a way too much, the only real good part of the first episode was the ending, where the guy slices the girl's throat and what happened after that, that was worth the watch.
The many one liners and bad acting before getting there almost sent me to sleep early, the scene in the bathroom where Fishbourne screams "go to the ladies room", or when he meets Hannibal and confuses the Dr. with the patient leaving the room while the real doctor was standing in the door, I don't see how you would not recognize the owner of the office when one is leaving and one is standing by the door saying good bye... or when Fishbourne refers himself as a layman in a rather odd way, w/e, or how they portrait the professor turned detective, he's not supposed to be a pussy from what I remenber of the original movies, which I'm a huge fan of, he seemed like a total pussy while in the movie he was a shady smart dude but with a lot of ballz and imagination and not some nerd professor that seemed to teach art instead of forensics. Ok I have to repeat, the way they portrayed the 'psicological profiling' was the worse, it was total garbage how they made so many unreasonable asumptions, it makes the series dumb and not smart like they try to, they try to portray the characters as super men super smart but it's so unrealistic that I cannot see anyone feeling identified with such hollywoodesque characters, the whole point of Hannibal is that he is this super smart doctor that is sophisticated but likes to eat people but that you would never know if you met him, but you would suspect he's hiding something.
Well you are being overly harsh tbh. There are a few things that bug me however:
1. The support cast is crap, like i hate all of them and it feels like they have 0 purpose, i´m talking about the FBI team with the asian girl in the lead. 2. Fishburne is immediately overly weirdly friendly with Hannibal, even more so in the later episodes. I get that they want to show Hannibal as someone people somehow are drawn too, but they´re overdoing it.
Other then this you also seem to be rambling and demand a lot more of a show then i would guess from someone complaining a character is "too much of a pussy" and "had a lot of ballz" and so on. It's a TV show, on a TV budget. You won´t get Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal. And the whole point of the re-enactments as people whine about, is to show how he thinks. "Takes one to know one" sort of way, it´s hard to portray thoughts out in the open on film unless you do some inner monologue, they chose to show it instead with imagery. It would be better however if he was wrong sometimes, this would make the point across that this is how he theorizes instead of magically knowing how everything went down as many people interprets these segments.
On April 15 2013 09:14 wei2coolman wrote: I liked the whole "laymen" part though; it shows much respect hannibal lecter deserves, in terms of his expertise.
Respect, yeah, but I feel that there's even more present than that. I interpreted it as Lawrence being modest and using the phrase somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Sort of like he's probing Hannibal to see how he responds to praise. Kind of sizing him up through banter to help him form an opinion. But Hannibal is very aware of the conversation beneath the conversation so the gleaned insight is limited.
I agree that the support cast is garbage but Fishbourne he is a really really good actor, so I find it strange that he acts bad but I don't know I haven't see him on his other tv shows, as long as he and the guy that portrays Hannibal bring good acting then the show will be good (if they keep a macabre plot, hopefully).
This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.
Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.
On April 15 2013 08:51 Nevermind86 wrote: or when Fishbourne refers himself as a layman in a rather odd waysomething.
This is a near direct reference to Red Dragon the novel, so it wasn't intended to be a real description of Crawford's thoughts to Lecter. I take it as fanservice to fans of the book.
What I appreciate about Mads playing Lecter is how he actually looks like a person who could be a serial killer, unlike Hopkins who appears more like the kindly grandfather. Mads has a foreboding horror to him, and his accent adds to his European origins at least.
I finally watched The Silence of the Lambs yesterday, I think that Hopkins and Mikkelsen are both extremely strong actors, but the difference is that Mikkelsen feels intimidating without necessarily being confined in a cell with bars and constant reminders that he's a deadly killer.
This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.
Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.
Are you for real? There's a lot of dumb opinions on this thread (No offense all you wrong people!) But are you seriously comparing Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal positively to Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs?
Really, Mark Wahlberg's portrayal of George Taylor is just so much more honest than Charlton Heston's myopic one-note performance. And he really blew Michael Caine out of the water as Charlie Coker - much more dynamic. Media criticism, ladies.
Sir Anthony Hopkins played an amazing Hannibal and he was creepy as fuck. I love Mads Mikkelsen thou and he does his own very scary and intimidating version quite well, the shows Will Graham is quite likable and awkward too. Looking forward to seeing more of this show.
No, I agree. I admire Mikkelsen for even taking the role - even better, he doesn't try to do a Hopkins impersonation. He has is own sort of treacherous charisma. It's very good, but it's not one of the best male performances in ever captured on camera?
Watched the first episode yesterday and was kinda disappointed. I wasnt excited or scared at any point at all. Everything just goes way too fast and doesnt build up any tension.
This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.
Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.
Whaat is this blasphemy you utter? I think you're probably trolling and you hit the subtlety perfectly, but nevertheless..
Hannibal is Hopkins. Hopkins is Hannibal. That's one of the most iconic performances in modern cinema, and Silence of the Lambs may be the last movie to ever win the big 5. Maybe the movie just didn't age well with you, but there's no way you can tell me you saw it in 1991 and thought he was 'never scary'. That role is objectively measured by any criteria one of the greatest of all time. So it doesn't sit well that you describe Mikkelsen as blowing an S-class actor's undefeated OSL victory out of the water in 2 episodes of TV.
This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.
Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.
Whaat is this blasphemy you utter? I think you're probably trolling and you hit the subtlety perfectly, but nevertheless..
Hannibal is Hopkins. Hopkins is Hannibal. That's one of the most iconic performances in modern cinema, and Silence of the Lambs may be the last movie to ever win the big 5. Maybe the movie just didn't age well with you, but there's no way you can tell me you saw it in 1991 and thought he was 'never scary'. That role is objectively measured by any criteria one of the greatest of all time. So it doesn't sit well that you describe Mikkelsen as blowing an S-class actor's undefeated OSL victory out of the water in 2 episodes of TV.
I'm not talking about performance here. I merely stated that Mads' portrayal of Hannibal is way more fear-inducing than that of Hopkins'.
I really like this show. I think Mikkelsen fits very well in the role as Hannibal. I think the characters will develop more and more. For me its becomming better and better.
Finally got the internet back at home, can't wait to watch the first episode when I get outta work!
I do agree that in Hannibal and the remake of Red Dragon that Hopkins was a little hammy at times. In The Silence of the Lambs he absolutely killed it. The first time you see his face... in the book he's described as having a head shaped like an otter's, and that description always stuck with me. And Hopkins looks it in the film.
Did you know Hopkins doesn't blink once in silence of the lambs?
Also, I think part of what made Hopkins so good as hannibal is that he didn't look evil on his own accord. He looked like any other guy, which to me is "scarier" in the sense you could sit beside him on a bus and not have any hint of a clue that he eats people.
Love Mikkelsen as hannibal though too, he is definitely much more creepy scary.
Really good impression so far, I absolutely adore Mikkelsen, he has this mystic aura around him, and when he made that redheaded woman sit beside him, he really had you anticipating all sorts of outcome. Such an awesome actor.
This is something I'm actually glad about. Hopkins' Hannibal was never scary. This barrel-built man, with his gentle, round face just can't look scary for me. Hopkins' appearance and demeanor while playing his character wasn't really fitting in my opinion. Put it together with some ridiculously bad scenes in the movies (eating live victim's brain) and you get your serial killer grotesque to the point of being actually funny and moving away from criminal thriller to dumb comedy.
Mikkelsen is on another level here. He might look gentlemantly but everything about him just exudes the aura of dread. In the single scene where he invites Lounds to sit by him on the couch he is way more terrifying than Hannibal scenes in all of the movies combined.
Are you for real? There's a lot of dumb opinions on this thread (No offense all you wrong people!) But are you seriously comparing Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal positively to Anthony Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs?
Really, Mark Wahlberg's portrayal of George Taylor is just so much more honest than Charlton Heston's myopic one-note performance. And he really blew Michael Caine out of the water as Charlie Coker - much more dynamic. Media criticism, ladies.
Anthony Hopkins is neither as refined, creepy, or intimidating as the subtlety of Mikkelsens hannibal.
Comparing the Mikkelsen and Hopkins interpretations of Hannibal is a bit ridiculous. Both have their merits and faults, yet portray both sides of the same character superbly in their own way. Hopkins's portrayal is more disarming and creepy because he doesn't look like a serial killer or even an evil, sociopath in many ways, looking more like a kind grandfather. Mikkelsen has the more sharp tone that accompanies the typical serial killer, and appears more terrifying because he is terrifying. They might conflict, but each actor gives one side of Hannibal that is divorced in the other, and watching both, you get the full impression of who Hannibal really is.
I love Hopkins portrayal, Mikkelsen's is also pretty good.
What is nice about the TV serial format is that they can really develop how Lecter is perceived by other people. We're seeing already that Fisburne's character is very impressed with this intelligent, erudite fellow, and perhaps how it may at some later stage cloud his judgement as to Hannibal's other proclivities.
The films couldn't have really developed the kind of 'monster within our midst' theme due to both the constraints of the medium, and indeed the source material that they were based on.
New episode in a few minutes. Plot summary is apparently the Minnesota Shrike's daughter is suspected to be an accomplice in the murders and Graham investigates the allegations. A copycat killer emerges, which causes more issues. Some more stuff with Graham and Lounds, mostly Graham threatening stuff on Lounds.
I thought it was a good episode until random guy comes in and gets stabbed...a little over the top, but I guess Lector needed to get more heavily involved in conflict. Is Abigail going to be a re-occuring character? or Lector's dinner?
I would say this episode ranks just as good as the second one. Was enjoyable seeing the story develop, and the characters show more of their true colors.
I thought it was a good episode until random guy comes in and gets stabbed...a little over the top, but I guess Lector needed to get more heavily involved in conflict. Is Abigail going to be a re-occuring character? or Lector's dinner?
I get the feeling that Lector is going to push her more towards being a killer/killing. I could sort of see it in this episode, where he's telling her that she gutted that guy, and that people wouldn't see it as self defense. I think he's going to keep insinuating to her that she isn't normal and that she's subconsciously a killer and become her mentor or something. I think we'll be seeing her more this season.
I'm not sure what's up with the journalist though. I got the feeling that Lector was manipulating her and told her to contact that guy, but then outside the house he's asking her about it like he doesn't know, so it seems sort of weird if that were the case. I don't think he would play that he doesn't know either, it's not like anyone was listening, and doesn't really fit him in my view. So, I'm wondering why she contacted the brother.
I believe Kacey Rohl is only signed for 3 episodes, so I think that's the end of that story line. Which is a nice way to end the first arc. I will say that the mushroom pharmacist was clearly a mis-step for the show, clearly a C story masquerading as the A story - but the conclusion was good.
On April 16 2013 12:04 PhoenixVoid wrote: Comparing the Mikkelsen and Hopkins interpretations of Hannibal is a bit ridiculous. Both have their merits and faults, yet portray both sides of the same character superbly in their own way. Hopkins's portrayal is more disarming and creepy because he doesn't look like a serial killer or even an evil, sociopath in many ways, looking more like a kind grandfather. Mikkelsen has the more sharp tone that accompanies the typical serial killer, and appears more terrifying because he is terrifying. They might conflict, but each actor gives one side of Hannibal that is divorced in the other, and watching both, you get the full impression of who Hannibal really is.
Of course you can compare them, they're actors acting as the same character: Hannibal Lecter. I fail to see how this comparison is ridiculous? Hopkins' performance had no faults except one: he was in the movie for maybe 25 minutes. I'm convinced this hedging of his performance stems from an unfamiliarity of Silence of the Lambs and a blinding respect for Mad Mikkelsen because he's cool. But no, it's not even close - especially after 3 episodes of some network television show.
On April 16 2013 11:59 Dazed_Spy wrote: Anthony Hopkins is neither as refined, creepy, or intimidating as the subtlety of Mikkelsens hannibal.
What universe is this? Is this the one where Vince Vaughn was the better Norman Bates?
Hannibal's actions in episode 3 certainly push the realm of believeable in how much he is risking getting caught with no other apparent motive other than so he can mess with Will's head. Knocking out the other therapist with one blow when he was behind her was such a typical "TV/movie" action to get away with. Risking his secret by not only leaving her as a witness, but getting caught moving the body, and sharing his secret that he was the one who called with the girl all stretched the believeablity to the limit for me. With the girl it's still not 100% clear on whether she was in on her father's killings. The flashback/dreams suggest she was, but then she seemed genuinely freaked out when she found the girl's hair inside the pillows. I wasn't even 100% sure that she butchered the guy she stabbed, or if some how Hannibal had made it in there and altered it when she was out of the room to mess with her mind.
Ok, this episode is kinda stretching the realm of believeability.
I understand that Lecter's a crazy brilliant serial killer, but his ability to just go around murdering people without a trace is getting silly.
Edit: Also, this is totally out of character for Lecter. I mean, the Lecter in the film and books knew and talked with other serial killers and sociopaths, but didn't have any sympathy for them or encourage them to kill in any way that they didn't come up with on their own.
This Lecter is just absurd. It's not even a new take n the character at this point, it's more like they've rewritten him altogether.
Mikkelsen is a brilliant actor in an otherwise awful show. The new portrayal of aspergers as a superpower like in other TV shows is just silly, and its not even done properly. The red head just walking in on a girl in a psychiatric ward with no one stopping her and then just being all "oh drat, you beat us to her" about it. Also the girl in the cabin, obvious blood coming from the celling, you don't just let a teenager who's just lost her family walk up and see a potential death scene to traumatise her further, if that was real life she could probably sue for severe mal-practice and life changing avoidable trauma. Instead shes just cool with it, you know. And then there the hollywood head hit, always causes temporary blackout, with memory loss of the cause, with no other health problems, first time.
Well that was a weird episode. I totally understood why Lecter killed Miranda: She said to her mother "Stop being such a bitch" and Lecter is known for killing people he finds rude, also it was clever for him to do it the same way he did with Cassey Hobbs, because he heard Will Graham saying he wouldn't kill in the same way again.
But then, what the fuck ? Guy breaking into the house, got stabbed, and the fuck ensued? It was pointless. If the goal was to Abigail falling into Lecter's grasp, then it should have been in a long, subtle mind game, over at least 3 episodes. This was messy and way too action packed to be really convincing.
Yeah, basically nothing in that episode had any plausibility to it. I mean obviously we suspend our sense of disbelief but that was over the top. I dont mind Jack, Will, or Hannibal, but the script for that episode was just...ridiculous. And the B characters are bland and entirely forgettable. Who was that asian chick from last episode? I dont even know what her job was, she just popped in and out and I slept through every one of her lines.
On April 20 2013 06:40 UdderChaos wrote: The red head just walking in on a girl in a psychiatric ward with no one stopping her and then just being all "oh drat, you beat us to her" about it.
This is actually the part I hated the most. I was also a little confused as to how they hid the body at the end without a trace with all the cops around.
On April 20 2013 06:40 UdderChaos wrote: The red head just walking in on a girl in a psychiatric ward with no one stopping her and then just being all "oh drat, you beat us to her" about it.
This is actually the part I hated the most. I was also a little confused as to how they hid the body at the end without a trace with all the cops around.
Well actually, the murder and the crime scene were at the cabine, whereas the murder of the brother guy was at Hobbes house. It was confusing, it took me time to realize that too.
I dont know what to think about it, sure its a familiar reaction to such tragedies. But in the long run it could really hurt the series, seeing as the ratings are okay-ish but not great, on NBC with its history of failing tv shows...
Just quoting the article i linked:
NBC sent five episodes to critics for advance review, but they weren't the first five. Instead, we got episodes 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6, with 4 skipped. And it was clear in watching the fifth episode (and the "Previously, on 'Hannibal'" clips before it) that some notable character and plot arc things had happened in between the hours I'd seen. It's not enough that you'll feel lost in what happens — particularly since the fifth episode is one of the strongest NBC sent — but you'll definitely feel like you're missing out on a few notable beats, particularly in the relationship between Will Graham and Jack Crawford.
On April 21 2013 00:28 Reason wrote: I'm enjoying it so far, definitely going to keep watching it if they keep putting it out, only for Mikkelsen though.
I actually quite like it that the other characters kind of suck and he is the only interesting person, it makes it so much better when he is involved.
Main character is kind of annoying though...
This exactly^ However, It is so easy to hear Mikkelsens danish accent (I am danish) and that sounds awful sometimes :D Maybe only danish people I guess we are not proud of our terrible english skills
Morpheus looks like his bagged a good role too, but I have no idea why they'd put someone in there who, even with a beard, still looks like he'll burst into tears any moment. I know it's his part, but why do you have to make it so unsightly.. he will NOT be able to convince anyone.
I might still check this out for Mikkelsen.
edit: Haven't actually watched a single episode.. Any thoughts on where I can get this? Just NetFlix for outside of the US? edit2: Probably nowhere.
On April 21 2013 03:02 Kontys wrote: Mads Mikkelsen :D
Has to be the greatest villain actor of our time.
Morpheus looks like his bagged a good role too, but I have no idea why they'd put someone in there who, even with a beard, still looks like he'll burst into tears any moment. I know it's his part, but why do you have to make it so unsightly.. he will NOT be able to convince anyone.
I might still check this out for Mikkelsen.
edit: Haven't actually watched a single episode.. Any thoughts on where I can get this? Just NetFlix for outside of the US? edit2: Probably nowhere.
It's a shame they won't have the whole episode available online in the US. I understand the negative publicity causing it to be cut from network TV, but if you actively search out a show online about serial killers and they have a warning on the page about the possible offensiveness in relation to the Boston bombings, then you went out of your way to ignore the warnings and don't have much room to complain. Anyway at least they put the long term story elements up in the webisode before they skip to episode 5 tonight.
That's about 20 minutes must be all the scenes that don't involve the child brainwasher.
Episode 5 is my least favorite episode so far it's still good but the angelmaker was just a vehicle to show us that Will Graham is continuing to lose it.
Mushroom man and angelmaker and Garrett Jacob Hobbs only Hobbs felt like a real character not a device. Probably because he's the only one actually from Red Dragon. A new serial killer every week is too much. The previews for episode 5 definitely set up Hannibal to be the hidden main antagonist for the rest of the season so hopefully no more new psychopath each episode.
But Madds Mikkelsen is playing Dr. Lecter so well. I don't want to gush about it but damn he is doing exactly what I think he should do.
And Morpheus actually acted some in episode 5! Getting real acting out of post-Morpheus Laurence Fishburne, pretty good. It was only for about a minute, but still.
Put the "copycat killer" front and center and a good first half of the season could turn into a great second half. I'd love to see them do a full remake of Red Dragon (a re-remake of Manhunter haha) for TV eventually through this series. Madds Mikkelsen as Hannibal in the cage that'd be cool.
What emotional acting are we talking about for Morpheous? His scream at Will Graham or his heart to heart with his wife? The latter felt really hollow to me, and the former was only like 3 seconds.
A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote: A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote: A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.
it makes as much sense as dexter.
At least dexter is every season. Only a few of them were geniuses as well.
Also with dexter, the villains are characterized very well, same can't be said for this.
It's a new super serial killer with no background/motive just for the Hannibal circle jerk.
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote: A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.
it makes as much sense as dexter.
At least dexter is every season. Only a few of them were geniuses as well.
Also with dexter, the villains are characterized very well, same can't be said for this.
It's a new super serial killer with no background/motive just for the Hannibal circle jerk.
You realize the real villain is Hannibal right? Who's likely to get a lot more characterization then any of the villains from Dexter, not to mention that, despite how much I love old HBO actors (pretty sure the creators watched a lot of Oz), Hannibal has a better cast.
Dexter also had the random serial killers he spends a couple of lines of inner monologue on before killing him to satisfy the whole dark passenger shtick, in that respect the episodic killers from Hannibal actually tend to have more screentime and background.
Mind you I did enjoy Dexter for the first couple seasons, but despite the execellent serial killer of whatever season the Trinity killer was, the staleness of the series soon became an issue, and I don't know if it's the writers failing, me being more naive when I watched the earlier seasons or just a matter of personal taste, but Dexters inner monologue makes no sense to me anymore, all the whining about how hard it is to be him, never showing any progress and constantly emotionally retarded behavior.
Anyway, greatly enjoying Hannibal, it feels fresh, and the acting talent is really what pulls you into what is a very character driven crime series, pretty irked about the missed episode 4, but I believe it will be broadcast on some Asian/American network (NBC Asia or something like that) on the 30th of April, so I as long as you can do some basic googling to find a stream or download, watching it should'nt be difficult. Mind you I'd be fine with providing a link here when it's released, but I'm fairly sure TL has some policy against that.
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote: A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.
it makes as much sense as dexter.
At least dexter is every season. Only a few of them were geniuses as well.
Also with dexter, the villains are characterized very well, same can't be said for this.
It's a new super serial killer with no background/motive just for the Hannibal circle jerk.
You realize the real villain is Hannibal right? Who's likely to get a lot more characterization then any of the villains from Dexter, not to mention that, despite how much I love old HBO actors (pretty sure the creators watched a lot of Oz), Hannibal has a better cast.
Dexter also had the random serial killers he spends a couple of lines of inner monologue on before killing him to satisfy the whole dark passenger shtick, in that respect the episodic killers from Hannibal actually tend to have more screentime and background.
Mind you I did enjoy Dexter for the first couple seasons, but despite the execellent serial killer of whatever season the Trinity killer was, the staleness of the series soon became an issue, and I don't know if it's the writers failing, me being more naive when I watched the earlier seasons or just a matter of personal taste, but Dexters inner monologue makes no sense to me anymore, all the whining about how hard it is to be him, never showing any progress and constantly emotionally retarded behavior.
Anyway, greatly enjoying Hannibal, it feels fresh, and the acting talent is really what pulls you into what is a very character driven crime series, pretty irked about the missed episode 4, but I believe it will be broadcast on some Asian/American network (NBC Asia or something like that) on the 30th of April, so I as long as you can do some basic googling to find a stream or download, watching it should'nt be difficult. Mind you I'd be fine with providing a link here when it's released, but I'm fairly sure TL has some policy against that.
Won't be hard to find.
I think he's wrong too I don't think any of the serial killers except Hannibal have been presented as geniuses. The mushroom man was a pharmacist obsessed with the fungus. Garrett Jacob Hobbs was a welder or something. Angelmaker had a brain tumor maybe.
It's funny that the child brainwasher from the pulled episode does possibly fit the crazed visionary serial killer stereotype. Or, as Will has to say every episode, the brainwasher thinks she's a genius in some way.
Very little has been shown of the investigation into the Hobbs "copycat killer" we all know is Hannibal. That's definitely going to pick up in the second half of the season.
I really enjoy this show! It is pretty macabre, but in a sort of gothic artistic way. Really neat sets, and good acting. I do not care if it is unlikely with the serial killers. It works for the series, and is inconsequential. If you want to you can just assume that they work nationwide and that there is more than a week between every episode. Problem solved.
Lol, so from what I understand after watching the 4th episode is that the reason it wasn't aired in the US is because of the doing drugs thing? Way to go America....
On April 27 2013 11:12 Nevermind86 wrote: A new super serial killer in the same area every weak. Not only that, every single one of them is some sort of genius, Hollywood stupidness doesn't know any boundaries.
it makes as much sense as dexter.
The first season of dexter wasn't like that and It was actually decent, the villain was dexter and his brother and that's it, the other people were rather normal people that killed somebody or something but not genius serial killers, I stopped watching dexter because I knew that after season 1 it was going to go downhill and from the bits I've seen I know it went. It was infected with hollywood bullshit after season 1, as far as I know, maybe some episodes are 'fun' but sure are intellectually challenging to watch, considering how unreal they can be, that means they are not worth to rewatch, which says a lot about art.
On April 27 2013 21:54 wo1fwood wrote: Lol, so from what I understand after watching the 4th episode is that the reason it wasn't aired in the US is because of the doing drugs thing? Way to go America....
On April 27 2013 21:54 wo1fwood wrote: Lol, so from what I understand after watching the 4th episode is that the reason it wasn't aired in the US is because of the doing drugs thing? Way to go America....
where did you go to watch the 4th episode?
Oh I guess I didn't see the whole episode then. I watched the online stuff (so I saw parts of it then)
On April 27 2013 21:54 wo1fwood wrote: Lol, so from what I understand after watching the 4th episode is that the reason it wasn't aired in the US is because of the doing drugs thing? Way to go America....
where did you go to watch the 4th episode?
Oh I guess I didn't see the whole episode then. I watched the online stuff (so I saw parts of it then)
Well, there's your problem, the web series is episode 4 with 20 minutes cut out so they wouldn't have to show this weeks case, which involved brainwashing children to kill other children. Not that that has anything to do with the Boston bombings, but when something bad happens in America everybody has to be treated like overemotional babby's?
i don't know why people would watch a show about serial killers if they couldn't watch the gore. Honestly, the only thing that makes me squeamish in the show is when hannibal is eating food. All the food they serve is usually peachy in color, and it always seems like it could come from a human
Can't see a reason to why they decided to pull/delay the fourth episode (it might be the least violent/"graphical" one of the five) other than the timing, but then I don't see the logic in why the fifth got aired instead. I just don't get it. :/
Man the scene where Hannibal serves food to Chilton and Bloom and he says it's good to have old friends for dinner . It sounded kinda strange to me .Did he just serve the missing trainee to them ? . Turns out he actually was and had parts of her still stored in a freezer somewhere .
I hope this doesn't get dragged out now with too many cases that don't have anything to do with the main story.
They deny pulling the 4th episode because of the Boston marathon, but I suspect it had to do with the similarity of boy-killers and recent events. It was the right move to make with Hannibal, with lack of known motives for the bombing.
There is no mention of the time span between episodes, or even between scenes, and it's apparent at times that what may appear to be fifteen minutes, due to fast paced scenes, may be as much as a day, especially when travel around the country is involved. Episodes may be months apart.
Episode 4 was very very good, a class apart from the rest of the series, I understand though that they had to introduce some situations and people before making this one (Abigail, etc) but this is how the series should have been, that whole mushroom killer guy was pathetic and unnecessary.
There are occasional plotholes, or strange things, but wow I love the show's suffocating, almost palpable bleakness that casts a shadow over everything. Atmosphere is rather unlike anything I've seen in quite a while
On May 10 2013 04:21 Assault_1 wrote: wat was the reason? I must've ignored that part
He kills either to protect himself (the Agent Crawford has lost) or to show the world that the persons were unworthy of their organs. He kills people he despises. He tells this to Will pretty close to the end. Well he says it like this: "Maybe the killer wanted ..." but you can tell that is his real reasoning.
I've just finished episode 3, and I agree with the mushroom episode being kind of silly comment, but the rest of what I've seen so far is pretty fantastic. Excited to catch up this weekend.
A nice cameo from Eddie Izzard, as ever. He appears to be quite a called-upon character actor over stateside, I've seen him in a few things now. Quite enjoy how such a cheerful and gregarious man can play characters at the very opposite of the spectrum pretty well
On May 10 2013 04:22 malcram wrote: I'm curious to know if ALL the food he prepares for his guests are actually of human origins.
It was implied in previous episodes, but the most recent one definitely straight up showed us.
Implied isn't enough! I need to know if Jack, Alana et al. ate human organs. Would be interesting to see their reaction if it is true, coming to grips with it once they find out.
Actually, I think its implied they havent been eating human. He feeds his human kills in large dinner parties, he evidently hasnt held in a while [i.e the last time the chepasaeka killer struck, or whatever it was].
On May 10 2013 08:38 unkkz wrote: Well i wonder where the Tobias + stalking patient will lead. Loving the show so far.
I'm kinda thinking hes gonna like...turn him into an obsequious slave and use him to kill someone as a diversion for himself, in the future.
On May 10 2013 17:30 Dazed_Spy wrote: Actually, I think its implied they havent been eating human. He feeds his human kills in large dinner parties, he evidently hasnt held in a while [i.e the last time the chepasaeka killer struck, or whatever it was].
On May 10 2013 08:38 unkkz wrote: Well i wonder where the Tobias + stalking patient will lead. Loving the show so far.
I'm kinda thinking hes gonna like...turn him into an obsequious slave and use him to kill someone as a diversion for himself, in the future.
Nah we've seen Hannibal prepare human meat before. The "Chesapeake ripper" killings are for his dinner parties, or feasts, sure. But the "rabbit" that wasn't fast enough wasn't really a rabbit, and we've seen him prepare the lungs from the Shrike copycat victim (I think).
On May 10 2013 17:30 Dazed_Spy wrote: Actually, I think its implied they havent been eating human. He feeds his human kills in large dinner parties, he evidently hasnt held in a while [i.e the last time the chepasaeka killer struck, or whatever it was].
On May 10 2013 08:38 unkkz wrote: Well i wonder where the Tobias + stalking patient will lead. Loving the show so far.
I'm kinda thinking hes gonna like...turn him into an obsequious slave and use him to kill someone as a diversion for himself, in the future.
Nah we've seen Hannibal prepare human meat before. The "Chesapeake ripper" killings are for his dinner parties, or feasts, sure. But the "rabbit" that wasn't fast enough wasn't really a rabbit, and we've seen him prepare the lungs from the Shrike copycat victim (I think).
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote: Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote: Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.
It did and it didn't, can't really put my finger on it but it felt like he was indeed thinking of something, but not like he had some form of "OMG HE COULD BE A KILLER" epiphany.
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote: Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.
It did and it didn't, can't really put my finger on it but it felt like he was indeed thinking of something, but not like he had some form of "OMG HE COULD BE A KILLER" epiphany.
You have to remember Will has the ability to empathize with others much more than the average person. I don't think he knew from that moment that Hannibal is a killer, but perhaps Will noticed that he felt way too comfortable and calm while his hand was inside of someone.
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote: Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.
It did and it didn't, can't really put my finger on it but it felt like he was indeed thinking of something, but not like he had some form of "OMG HE COULD BE A KILLER" epiphany.
You have to remember Will has the ability to empathize with others much more than the average person. I don't think he knew from that moment that Hannibal is a killer, but perhaps Will noticed that he felt way too comfortable and calm while his hand was inside of someone.
I thought it was the way Lecter was looking at Will that had tipped Will off. He's playing games with Will, almost as if to remind Will of the "what do you see?" note or something.
I personally think Will became suspicious of Lecter the moment Lecter smelled him. He'll probably make a connection of Lecter smelling him with acts of cannibalism next episode.
On May 11 2013 19:33 une_certaine_verve wrote: Honest question: Wouldn't people become ill after eating human flesh? Especially Hannibal, who hypothetically consumes it fairly often.
On May 11 2013 19:33 une_certaine_verve wrote: Honest question: Wouldn't people become ill after eating human flesh? Especially Hannibal, who hypothetically consumes it fairly often.
Is human meat special in some way?
you can get a certain disease (dont know what its called) but its very similar to mad cow disease when you eat human meat
On May 11 2013 19:33 une_certaine_verve wrote: Honest question: Wouldn't people become ill after eating human flesh? Especially Hannibal, who hypothetically consumes it fairly often.
Is human meat special in some way?
you can get a certain disease (dont know what its called) but its very similar to mad cow disease when you eat human meat
From what I read eating people who were sick (more specifically eating their brain) caused the disease, but not the consumption of human flesh in general... Kinda like mad cow. You won't catch it from eating a cow.
On May 10 2013 17:17 czylu wrote: Next week looks awesome! Something about watching hannibal makes me want to stop eating meat
And I feel like joining his table. The presentation is just so good.
Me too, the presentation is so damn good, it makes me want to learn to cook like that and bring some girls in like that hot psiquiatrist that wants to fuck Hannibal's brains out.
On May 11 2013 09:39 Kamedience wrote: Anyone else notice the way Will looked at Hannibal at the end of last episode? It looked like something clicked.
It did and it didn't, can't really put my finger on it but it felt like he was indeed thinking of something, but not like he had some form of "OMG HE COULD BE A KILLER" epiphany.
I think it was just that Hannibal was a skilled surgeon and he knows the shrike has the same skills, nothing beyond that just yet.
Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.
Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3
Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...
Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.
Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.
PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote: Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.
PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.
That's too bad TRD it's really good!
Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote: Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.
PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.
That's too bad TRD it's really good!
Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...
Maybe I will try and stick out another episode or two and see if there is an underlying theme compelling enough to make me stick around. I just generally am not a fan of excessively creative and gross things (I cant stand the saw series).
On May 16 2013 08:19 teapot wrote: Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.
Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3
Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...
Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.
You just compared Silence of the Lambs to Twilight? Get. Out. Now.
Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3
This is exactly the way the books portray Hannibal before and his after his imprisonment.
Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...
The series is named Hannibal, not FBI Behavioral Science.
Doubt anything will happen to Dr. Bloom this season and I really doubt she'll be killed off. Might be kidnapped someday for sure.
Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.
It seems to me Hannibal has a very intense moral code about who he is comfortable in murdering. Also note that yearning gleam in his eyes for Will's friendship.
Very intense, and the music was kicked up a notch. I couldn't sit still watching it.
On May 16 2013 08:19 teapot wrote: Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.
Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3
Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...
Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.
You just compared Silence of the Lambs to Twilight? Get. Out. Now.
Reading comprehension? I compared 50 Shades of Grey to Twilight. Learn to read, please.
On May 16 2013 08:19 teapot wrote: Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.
Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3
Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...
Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.
You just compared Silence of the Lambs to Twilight? Get. Out. Now.
Reading comprehension? I compared 50 Shades of Grey to Twilight. Learn to read, please.
To his defense i don't quite get your comparison either.
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote: Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.
PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.
That's too bad TRD it's really good!
Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...
Maybe I will try and stick out another episode or two and see if there is an underlying theme compelling enough to make me stick around. I just generally am not a fan of excessively creative and gross things (I cant stand the saw series).
Um, it's a show about the most famous fictitious cannibal. Of course there will be gross things. Spleens, intestines, lungs....
Stick with it, turn away and hug your teddy bear during the gross scenes. The latest episode was kinda funny - Hannibal was oh so deliciously naughty.
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote: Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.
PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.
That's too bad TRD it's really good!
Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...
Maybe I will try and stick out another episode or two and see if there is an underlying theme compelling enough to make me stick around. I just generally am not a fan of excessively creative and gross things (I cant stand the saw series).
Um, it's a show about the most famous fictitious cannibal. Of course there will be gross things. Spleens, intestines, lungs....
Stick with it, turn away and hug your teddy bear during the gross scenes. The latest episode was kinda funny - Hannibal was oh so deliciously naughty.
Um, I enjoyed Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon, and Hannibal was alright. It isnt the gross things necessarily, it is the concept and idea behind some things that gets me.
On May 16 2013 08:25 TheRabidDeer wrote: Watched the first two episodes, and it is kinda hard to stomach. Particularly the second episode. You dont really see a ton, but the image that it creates in your mind is... disturbing. I dont think that this show is for me.
PS: The internet fandom for this show is definitely bizarre. Fangirls seem to looooooooooooove it.
That's too bad TRD it's really good!
Fangirls lovin that Madds Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy...
Maybe I will try and stick out another episode or two and see if there is an underlying theme compelling enough to make me stick around. I just generally am not a fan of excessively creative and gross things (I cant stand the saw series).
Um, it's a show about the most famous fictitious cannibal. Of course there will be gross things. Spleens, intestines, lungs....
Stick with it, turn away and hug your teddy bear during the gross scenes. The latest episode was kinda funny - Hannibal was oh so deliciously naughty.
Um, I enjoyed Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon, and Hannibal was alright. It isnt the gross things necessarily, it is the concept and idea behind some things that gets me.
The gore is starting to take less of a first place, you should try to stick to it cuz there's some really interesting arcs.
Wow just saw ep6, Hannibal is such an amazing show so far. But this episode raised a few questions : didn't Hannibal took huge risk killing/abducting Miriam Lass ? She said that she was with the FBI, what if she had written down/told someone where she was going ? (I guess she didn't since it happened a long time ago). Another question is why no one followed her leads ? No one wondered why she was abducted ? They didn't think she discovered the killer ? She clearly said to Crawford that she was investigating on the doctors who took care of the Chesapeake Ripper victims.
On May 17 2013 16:24 Lylat wrote: didn't Hannibal took huge risk killing/abducting Miriam Lass ? She said that she was with the FBI, what if she had written down/told someone where she was going ? (I guess she didn't since it happened a long time ago). Another question is why no one followed her leads ? No one wondered why she was abducted ? They didn't think she discovered the killer ? She clearly said to Crawford that she was investigating on the doctors who took care of the Chesapeake Ripper victims.
Well of course he took a risk, but what was the other option? She already figured out it was him - he did not have another option.
About following her leads: Didnt Crawford tell her that that her evidence wouldnt hold, and therefore she cant do it in official FBI-capacity. I guess that wouldve been why she didnt keep any records of her suspicions.
Sure somebody could still make the connenction between his time as a ER-doctor and this one victim, but maybe ER-duty on a single night which coincides remotely with one victim already was a stretch for Lass (she didnt seem particular suspicious in that scene in his office right until the point where she found those sketches with the exact wound-pattern) so someone else would not find the clue about him in the ER that night.
I've known a few dudes like the short fat guy that got his neck snapped, those annoying people always trying to be everybody's friends and always insecure and bragging about material things they have like if for those things one would be their friends, I've always wanted to snap their necks too, it felt pretty good seeing Hannibal do it.
What I dislike about this series though is, how many serial killers can be at Baltimore at the same time? Oh come on, it would have been so much better if they at least said the dudes were in a different city, oh well Hollywood.
I watched the first 4 episodes and I'm kind of disappointed.
First of Hannibal isn't even trying to be smart in his manipulation (Every averagely intelligent individual would notice that something is wrong and that he is probably trying to manipulate him in whatever way and for whichever reason)
Secondly the show doesn't even try to be scientific and accurate to criminal profiling
And lastly I really don't see either of the main characters as being intellectuals making so many counterintuitive decisions.
I'll probably keep watching though because I'm extremely lazy.
On May 11 2013 19:33 une_certaine_verve wrote: Honest question: Wouldn't people become ill after eating human flesh? Especially Hannibal, who hypothetically consumes it fairly often.
Is human meat special in some way?
you can get a certain disease (dont know what its called) but its very similar to mad cow disease when you eat human meat
From what I read eating people who were sick (more specifically eating their brain) caused the disease, but not the consumption of human flesh in general... Kinda like mad cow. You won't catch it from eating a cow.
Kuru is mostly from eating human brains; similar prion disease such as vCJD (mad cow~human variant) can be gotten from consuming a cow who's had BSE (mad cow).
Also; the fight scene between tobias and hannibal. Really enjoyed the audio track they had during the fight scene. It created a very heightened tension.
On May 16 2013 08:19 teapot wrote: Ugh. Just watched some of this. Boy is this show repellent.
Hannibal TV series is to Silence of the Lambs/Manhunter as 50 Shades of Grey is to Twilight. It seems to be scripted by some massive Lecter fangirl. LOL, Oooh, he's so sophisticated, he wears tailored suits. Ooooh, he recognizes perfume. Squeeeeeee. Can I make a cannibal joke now? <3
Everything is hollow and emotionless. All the weirdos on the Force seem to have teleported in from Bizarro land, and do not behave in any way reminiscent of Human Beings. A pity for Hugh Dancy who is playing the only interesting character on the show. But even he seems to be descending into madness like one of those spiral optical illusions that always seems to be moving but not going anywhere. I wonder how long they will drag that out for, well presumably until his beautiful female colleague goes missing...
Yeah, it has nice production values, but that doesn't make up for gazing into the heart of darkness. Its not really funny enough to be a Black Comedy. Its just Torture Porn.
You must be a fucking sheltered fairy to call it Torture porn.
On May 18 2013 05:43 Nevermind86 wrote: I've known a few dudes like the short fat guy that got his neck snapped, those annoying people always trying to be everybody's friends and always insecure and bragging about material things they have like if for those things one would be their friends, I've always wanted to snap their necks too, it felt pretty good seeing Hannibal do it.
What I dislike about this series though is, how many serial killers can be at Baltimore at the same time? Oh come on, it would have been so much better if they at least said the dudes were in a different city, oh well Hollywood.
doesn't baltimore have the 2nd highest murder rate in the US?
I don't even get how its considered torture porn? We actually don't see any torture... We just see the results of the killings; but not really the killing.
I've really been enjoying Mads portrayal of Hannibal. Also supposedly he does all the cutting cutscenes for the food prep. Pretty legit stuff.
Damn he has much time on his hands to be able to cook all that food, not to mention he is getting the ingredients in a very difficult way. I hate making sausage, cause it means more stuff to wash, while Hannibals kitchen is incredible clean at all times, while I see him having a spoon of some sort of sausage too just top his desert with. Wish making food was as gloriously easy. Im sitting watching WCS, and I ponder wheter I should spend 5 minutes making a simple burger ..
Episode after episode, this show hits the highest highs and the lowest lows. Hannibal's relationship with pretty much every relevant character is absolutely amazing ('cept for the cancer stuff, out of nowhere (as much a s I like Gina Torres)), but my god can it become ridiculous. The "mind if I kill you ?" "Pray go ahead" stuff with Tobias was specially annoying, the serial killers, and this fucking supporting cast. Could have been an amazing show. Just decent ):
Gina Torres is an average actor. Nothing on the supporting/starring cast. Tobias and Hannibal were talking to each other like psychopaths feeling each other out. Because psychopathy is a mental disorder and they are both lunatics who deal with being human, they still want friendship.
I could agree that the editing/effects can be overplayed, but since I think suppressed pain will definitely manifest itself physically, I find the psychological aspects of the show fascinating. I like how it doesn't waste any time in procedural aspects, but the show could do with a little more exposition. It's very cerebral and enjoyable for what it is, but it might find more than just a niche market if it did more tell and less show. Personally, I hope it does well the way it is now, and I'm hesitant to criticize it.
After episode 5, I can see myself disappointed. They reduced it to a typical serial killer/hero per episode action format. Something like Dexter or Criminal Minds. I'm not saying the latter is bad (both are good). What I'm trying to say is, the Hannibal Series cannot move this way. We need more clever forensic evidence, longer serial killer periods I have read all the Hannibal books by Thomas Harris so maybe I have high expectations.
TLDR: (why i dont like it) 1. New Serial Killers in every episode. caught or killed, and then there's a new one. 2. Nonsense and boring side-scenes (like Jack Crawford's wife having cancer or Will Graham's personal struggles) 3. Most actors chosen for each of the characters are very wrong based on the books.
It feels like the one who made these series just read 'Red Dragon' and not the other books.
I wanted them to focus on Hannibal POV, not Will Grahams POV. This story will be hard to expand as well.
I want to see early episodes with Margot and Mason Verger. Some rude or incompetent people that Dr. Lecter meets. I want this show to focus on Hannibal.
in episode 9, but I'm loving the Abigail Hobbs storyline. I can't believe how subtly but very powerfully Hannibal is manipulating Will, it's awesome (not for Will of course).
Watching Mikkelsen playing Hannibal out of the cage is something else. He is caring and sympathetic and really helps people, but only as long as doing so is unconnected to his agenda or is a part of it. And you can tell he is having so much fun, getting so much pleasure, doing it and being the only one who knows what is truly going on. His mask is almost perfect.
Good writing and great acting = great television. It's hard to get both in one show consistently. Hannibal doesn't have the best writing but it's pretty good and the actors don't drop the ball.
On May 25 2013 05:11 DeepElemBlues wrote: I don't like the + Show Spoiler +
obelisk of bodies
in episode 9, but I'm loving the Abigail Hobbs storyline. I can't believe how subtly but very powerfully Hannibal is manipulating Will, it's awesome (not for Will of course).
Watching Mikkelsen playing Hannibal out of the cage is something else. He is caring and sympathetic and really helps people, but only as long as doing so is unconnected to his agenda or is a part of it. And you can tell he is having so much fun, getting so much pleasure, doing it and being the only one who knows what is truly going on. His mask is almost perfect.
Good writing and great acting = great television. It's hard to get both in one show consistently. Hannibal doesn't have the best writing but it's pretty good and the actors don't drop the ball.
EDIT: OMG THAT PREVIEW
Actually the writing is good, but the director seems to have this idea that making something overly slow will make it look smarter. Horrible pacing of good dialogue.
And point goes to the old dude for being the most anecdotical serial killer of all the episodes so far. Please just drop this already and focus the show on the interesting characters.
Hannibal is getting better and better. Seeing the plot center more and more around him feels good, since he's the only really multifaceted character of the show.
I'm rather enjoying Hannibal. It's teetering between being really good or quite bad. It can go either way. I really dislike Will. Not the actor, just the character. I thought he was going to be interesting because he was supposed to be 'to the autistic side of the spectrum' and that sort of character is rare on tv. Having a brain with poor social skills who grows to admire the killer he's trying to capture is an interesting line. Instead he is some super empathetic dude who is quite emotional. He's not someone I can relate.
Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?
On May 26 2013 06:41 Lylat wrote: Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?
Yes! It's these subtle little things that I think a lot of people don't notice.
Loving this show. Mads Mikkelsen (Hannibal) is so good, nails every scene. Will is a bit too awkward for my liking. I know they did this on purpose because he's supposed to be unstable and weird, but still, it's too much imo.
On May 26 2013 06:41 Lylat wrote: Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?
Yes! It's these subtle little things that I think a lot of people don't notice.
i think it was less her reacting to the meat, and more reacting towards her realization that will knows.
On May 26 2013 06:41 Lylat wrote: Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?
Yes! It's these subtle little things that I think a lot of people don't notice.
i think it was less her reacting to the meat, and more reacting towards her realization that will knows.
I don't think that was the moment of realisation, was it?
On May 26 2013 06:41 Lylat wrote: Did some of you guys notice the weird face Abigail does when she tasted Hannibals meat ? Do you think she recognized human meat taste since her father made them eat his victims ?
Yes! It's these subtle little things that I think a lot of people don't notice.
i think it was less her reacting to the meat, and more reacting towards her realization that will knows.
I don't think that was the moment of realisation, was it?
Firstly the look Will gives her makes her realize he knows after Freddie was just talking about everyone has something to hide. Then right after she tastes the meat and her eyes get really big and she looks at Hannibal because she knows it's people.
Then again...I'd actually be really happy with this done in 1 season, maybe 16 episodes-ish.
It's not the type of progam that should run on for seasons and seasons imo, I like the story but I feel it would benefit from being short and sweet.
Sometimes I watch a new program and it seems awesome but they want to make more money and just keep dragging it out and out, they lose focus of the original thing and it's sort of insulting, it would be nice if they stopped milking shows that are successful and instead make them as good as possible then conclude them before they become tired.
I'm really enjoying the show. It's nice to see something as graphic as the killings once in a while, yeah there's no way to read this without sounding weird but whatever. The way they're presenting the criminal psychology is really out there sometimes, but at least they're trying. Will's interpretations sometimes just sounds like a bunch of baseless assumptions.
Hannibal Lector is played so well I just can't get enough of this guy. The only complaint I can make though is the way he's going with this, if I was someone who didn't know jack about the character I could tell he will surely get caught.
On May 27 2013 19:36 PSdualwielder wrote: I'm really enjoying the show. It's nice to see something as graphic as the killings once in a while, yeah there's no way to read this without sounding weird but whatever. The way they're presenting the criminal psychology is really out there sometimes, but at least they're trying. Will's interpretations sometimes just sounds like a bunch of baseless assumptions.
Hannibal Lector is played so well I just can't get enough of this guy. The only complaint I can make though is the way he's going with this, if I was someone who didn't know jack about the character I could tell he will surely get caught.
I don't remember the previous films (though I think at one point or another) I've seen all of them, I'm treating this as a fresh experience and technically someone who doesn't know jack about the character.
I hope the series is as good for those of you who have an image of him in your heads.
Mads Mikkelsen is amazing, but the plot is terrible and the rest of the actors either don't have convincing characters, or are just not interesting at all. Lawrence Fishburn got the worst of the bunch: his character is both uninteresting AND unconvincing.
Also, the number of serial killers running around the Baltimore area is retarded.
On May 28 2013 04:48 Acrofales wrote: Also, the number of serial killers running around the Baltimore area is retarded.
Haha, this indeedilydo. What the fuck are writers thinking you wonder! Anyway, Mads 4 president. Still enjoy it although it has become less and less in my opinion.
On May 28 2013 05:17 AlternativeEgo wrote: Eh, that's nothing. Ever watched Midsomer Murders? :D
I did actually. Holy shit that serie is soooooooooooooooo incredibly sloooooooooooooooow it makes me want to cut my eyes out xD And yeah the entire village murdered another person ~~
I like the new scandinavian uprising quite a lot actually. Beck, Winter, Wallander, Varg Veum and ofcourse Forbrydelsen, Broen and others. Nothing beats Luther (and to a certain extend White Chapel) though. What an awesome serie, though short, that is!
On May 28 2013 04:48 Acrofales wrote: Also, the number of serial killers running around the Baltimore area is retarded.
Haha, this indeedilydo. What the fuck are writers thinking you wonder! Anyway, Mads 4 president. Still enjoy it although it has become less and less in my opinion.
It's to get more people watching the show. They could very well made it just talk, everything played out in the same room for the entire season with Will telling Hannibal about his work etc. but I doubt many people would actually watch it. As it is the show can gather more audience and get a chance of surviving until the end of the season in commercial television, unlike Firefly.
On May 27 2013 01:27 levelnoobz wrote: Might be half consciously what led her to + Show Spoiler +
tell him she helped her dad
. She realizes he's like her, so she knows she can tell him.
ooooooh shit maybe! when she told him, he said "i was wondering when you'd tell me". maybe she told him now cuz she realizes he's a killer too. good insight i totally missed that.
this is my fav show atm. hannibal is just so badass.
I think Hugh Dancy's performance is a bit too much for this show. This is ultimately a network procedural and Will has too much nuance. The show also has not alleviated my murder porn fears. Also not a huge fan of the encephalitis story line. But I'll still probably end up watching every single episode because it's a good show.
This series is a diamond in the mud, people will quickly forget it unlike Dinasty or some blockbuster trash but it's movie-like quality is unmatched, unless of course you go back to Twilight Zone or Alfred Hitchcock sort of thing, and even then I like this one more. It's really really really good, it's artistic, the colour themes and music fit perfectly and I only can complain about the first episodes, the pilot and the mushroom killer one were bad but the latest ones have been absolutely brilliant, it really seems like a movie rather than a tv series, even more entertaining than some of the Hannibal movies and that is me saying a lot because it's probably one of my favorite movie series. Mikkelsen's acting is superb.
This show makes Dexter look real bad, I liked the first season of Dexter but I can't rewatch it, because it's not that good, this one though it's for the ages.
By the way Hannibal killed the doctor because he called Will a pig, I knew he would because he felt very offended and that is how Hannibal selects his victims, people that offend him, because he considers Will a friend. Sadly the doctor won't be on the dinner table.
I wonder if Hannibal will kill Abigail Johnson, that is gonna be very interesting, how that one plays out.
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote: So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.
I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote: So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.
I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote: So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.
I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.
Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita
I know but Dexter after season 1 sucked big time. I wonder though if such a thing is true, probably not.
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote: So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.
I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.
Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita
Generally people who do not experience emotion have a difficult time when they are having sex, as it would be purely physical for them. Their partner on the other hand generally sees sex as something very intimate and emotional. Its not that it's already "been done", it is a common trait of the psychopath.
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote: So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.
I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.
Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita
Generally people who do not experience emotion have a difficult time when they are having sex, as it would be purely physical for them. Their partner on the other hand generally sees sex as something very intimate and emotional. Its not that it's already "been done", it is a common trait of the psychopath.
Psychopaths do have emotions. They just can't appreciate the fact that anyone else's emotions matter in the slightest. They also often have a very high sex drive. Combined with their lack of inhibitions that makes for one helluva passionate "bad boy" in bed. Dexter is a fictional character and not at all representative of real psychopaths.
That said.. another Hannibal when I wake up tomorrow. Weeee! :D
I still think Mads has the only interesting role in the series... and even that is getting a bit repetitive. When Will woke up alone and found blood on the door I already suspected it was Hannibal who had killed the doctor. I thought the twist would be that everybody thought Will had snapped and done it, but I guess they're leaving that for later.
EDIT: in comparison with Dexter, Dexter is simply a far more engaging series. Sure, it had its problematic seasons (and characters), but at least it is easy to root for Dexter despite knowing that what he is doing is despiccable. Additionally they had some really excellent other characters. Mads Mikkelson has the only interesting character in Hannibal and you aren't supposed to empathize with him. Will is a douche and I keep hoping he snaps and actually DOES kill someone. Jack is a ruthless asshole and while he could be interesting, he just isn't. In Dexter S1, both Dexter and his brother were awesome, and some of the supporting cast were interesting as well.
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote: So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.
I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.
Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita
Generally people who do not experience emotion have a difficult time when they are having sex, as it would be purely physical for them. Their partner on the other hand generally sees sex as something very intimate and emotional. Its not that it's already "been done", it is a common trait of the psychopath.
Psychopaths do have emotions. They just can't appreciate the fact that anyone else's emotions matter in the slightest. They also often have a very high sex drive. Combined with their lack of inhibitions that makes for one helluva passionate "bad boy" in bed. Dexter is a fictional character and not at all representative of real psychopaths.
That said.. another Hannibal when I wake up tomorrow. Weeee! :D
I thought psychopaths lacked emotions were as sociopaths only cares about their own? Haven't looked into the excact defintions, that was just my impression
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote: So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
As a big Hannibal fan I think I can guess these ones: He is afraid Will caughts him because he does have the skills to do it, and it's even implied in the series a couple of times when Will stares at Hannibal thinking that something just doesn't fit, but also Hannibal is insane, don't forget that, it seems to me that he likes to experiment with people to see how much he can push them, that's why he murdered Abigail Johnson's best friend, because she said she didn't care too much about her family but that she loved her friend like a sister (something common in teenagers), so he murdered her friend to see her suffer, even though he likes her.
I wonder what happened when the hot psiquiatrist was alone with Hannibal in his house, and Hannibal said they should have an affair, because after that she seems pretty cold about Hannibal. I think they fucked and she didn't like it and will be revealed later on. I'm guessing the series will say that women can see Hannibal's true nature when having sex or something.
Eeeeh it was already done in Dexter, besides Rita
Generally people who do not experience emotion have a difficult time when they are having sex, as it would be purely physical for them. Their partner on the other hand generally sees sex as something very intimate and emotional. Its not that it's already "been done", it is a common trait of the psychopath.
Psychopaths do have emotions. They just can't appreciate the fact that anyone else's emotions matter in the slightest. They also often have a very high sex drive. Combined with their lack of inhibitions that makes for one helluva passionate "bad boy" in bed. Dexter is a fictional character and not at all representative of real psychopaths.
That said.. another Hannibal when I wake up tomorrow. Weeee! :D
I thought psychopaths lacked emotions were as sociopaths only cares about their own? Haven't looked into the excact defintions, that was just my impression
The terms psychopath and sociopath are interchangeable. They are used in different fields of study, but they refer to the same entity. As to a human completely lacking emotion.. just think about it for a bit. What would motivate such a person? Without emotion there is zero motivation. You can't use pure reason to really want anything, and you sure as hell wouldn't be able to manipulate anyone (or want to) if you couldn't understand what feelings were or how they motivate people.
Psychopath/sociopath are often interchangable but a lot of psychologist use them to differentiate between neurological and psychological manifestations. For example a Psychopath as per Hares definition is neurologically, at birth [as near as we know] incapable of empathy, shallow emotional affect etc. Theres also some othere interesting cognitive defects such as inability to comprehend long term consequences, and language difficulties. A sociopath is more akin to anti social personality disorder. They feel guilt and so on, but are bastards due to upbringing. But as Helvete says there interchangeable a lot, it really depends on the individual psychologist.
On June 08 2013 04:23 Dazed_Spy wrote: Psychopath/sociopath are often interchangable but a lot of psychologist use them to differentiate between neurological and psychological manifestations. For example a Psychopath as per Hares definition is neurologically, at birth [as near as we know] incapable of empathy, shallow emotional affect etc. Theres also some othere interesting cognitive defects such as inability to comprehend long term consequences, and language difficulties. A sociopath is more akin to anti social personality disorder. They feel guilt and so on, but are bastards due to upbringing. But as Helvete says there interchangeable a lot, it really depends on the individual psychologist.
I wrote a paper last year in university on the effects trauma has on developing brains, and one conclusion I seemed to find universally is that children's brains are physically altered when they experience/witness/ traumatic events. Both singular (most often a physical event) and recurring events can cause "damage". The brain scans of many infamous crazies who we know were abused, etc. during their childhood showed abnormalities in similar regions every time. There seem to be mark-able differences from the scans of so called "evil children" who seemed to be on the wrong path from birth.
Edit: Although overall the scans show a very similar picture.
On June 02 2013 21:42 karpotoss wrote: So what is ultimately Hannibal's motive when it comes to Will? If he is aprreciating their 'friendship" why does he want will to go insane?
Also why was Abigail so freaked out when she noticed pillows were filled with hair couple episodes back? Didn't she know everything her dad was doing?
Cultivating Will's brain till Will is so insane or unhinged that he will willingly accept Hannibal as the serial killer cannibal who he really is-a true friend.
That's why he has been teasing Will's mind with copycat killings, his counselling sessions, and most recently sending Will to kill off Gideon.
He's throwing everyone under the bus just for Will, maybe not Abigail or Alana however.
Seems like i am the only one that really likes Hugh Dancy as Will.
I mean yeah, Mikkelsen as Hannibal is great without a doubt - still, I find myself more intrigued by Dancys portrayal of Will. He does an outstanding job conveying Wills struggle with his situation.
On June 10 2013 00:39 Mattes wrote: Seems like i am the only one that really likes Hugh Dancy as Will.
I mean yeah, Mikkelsen as Hannibal is great without a doubt - still, I find myself more intrigued by Dancys portrayal of Will. He does an outstanding job conveying Wills struggle with his situation.
The last episode, he played excellently. Too bad that the scriptwriters dropped the ball even harder on this one than usual.
Aside from Alana as an almost eye witness, there are 2 tracks in the snow, showing they stood next to each other. Then Will shot an unarmed guy in the face at point-blank range.
Now I'm not too knowledgeable about the law in the US, and have no idea what protection you get as a special agent for the FBI, but there has to be at least some inquiry in which Will is under serious scrutiny. This is the third time in a short time he has gunned somebody (albeit all serial killers) down. This time, insofar as anybody can tell, there was no acute life-or-death situation. This has to merit some serious inquiry, right?
On June 10 2013 00:39 Mattes wrote: Seems like i am the only one that really likes Hugh Dancy as Will.
I mean yeah, Mikkelsen as Hannibal is great without a doubt - still, I find myself more intrigued by Dancys portrayal of Will. He does an outstanding job conveying Wills struggle with his situation.
The last episode, he played excellently. Too bad that the scriptwriters dropped the ball even harder on this one than usual.
Aside from Alana as an almost eye witness, there are 2 tracks in the snow, showing they stood next to each other. Then Will shot an unarmed guy in the face at point-blank range.
Now I'm not too knowledgeable about the law in the US, and have no idea what protection you get as a special agent for the FBI, but there has to be at least some inquiry in which Will is under serious scrutiny. This is the third time in a short time he has gunned somebody (albeit all serial killers) down. This time, insofar as anybody can tell, there was no acute life-or-death situation. This has to merit some serious inquiry, right?
Will will already be under serious scrutiny since Jack told him to stay in the car and he ended up with the serial killerfugitive at his girlfriends house. There are more what the hell happened than merely him shooting the serial killer at the house. How did he get there in the first place, especially in his current condition? Shooting a fugitive who was considered armed and dangerous is the least of his worries right now.
Loving this show. Will and Mad are both putting some awesome spins on the characters. Im a sucker for some gruesome crime drama but the sinister nature of this show has me hooked! God those evil death stares from Hannibal that go un-noticed by the simpletons around him are so amazing!
damn the end of the last episode, the fear on that girls face once she knew...and hannibals "curious" dialogue crazy good acting im starting to like him even more then anthony hopkins
This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
I know Will is all crazy and fucked up most of the time, specially the last few episodes, but this episodes he was more clear than ever and even said it must be someone with inside info. How does he not link the Elk in his dreams even making the same pose as the Elk statue of Hannibal. It looks like they make it so clear that the brain of Will is trying to say it's Hannibal, but he just doesn't get it. I find this a big plot hole.
also:
On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote: This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
I't your opinion of course, but I think most of us actually think he is pretty good.
On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote: This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
You are insane, the actor playing Hannibal is the single biggest thing carrying the entire damn show.
On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote: This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
On June 16 2013 00:54 Tiwo wrote: I know Will is all crazy and fucked up most of the time, specially the last few episodes, but this episodes he was more clear than ever and even said it must be someone with inside info. How does he not link the Elk in his dreams even making the same pose as the Elk statue of Hannibal. It looks like they make it so clear that the brain of Will is trying to say it's Hannibal, but he just doesn't get it. I find this a big plot hole.
On June 16 2013 00:48 Orangered wrote: This show could have been much better, if only they changed the actor for Hannibal. He is so unconvincing for this part. He looks more like an old socially awkward man than the savvy sophisticated one in the movies. There is no finesse to him, no spark of lunacy, and even hit overall tone is very dry. Such a waste of a good script.
I't your opinion of course, but I think most of us actually think he is pretty good.
Blinded by his friendship and such, I suppose. I dont think its such a plot hole that Will in a fairly delusional state didnt notice a psychopath that befriended him until it was too late. Great first season, Will and Hannibal are clearly the only interesting characters and actors [besides the occasional serial killer], hopefully that will change next season. Really hoping Will doesnt stay in jail, or become disfigured-- i want the hero to win!
wow i cant wait for the next season. this is my fav tv show. the acting of will and hannibal is really good, the script is amazing, and the artistic way it's shot/directed is a pleasure to watch.
definitely going to rewatch this series. it seems so complex and with so many subtleties.
i was a bit confused about the plot and why hannibal did what he did, so i tried to write it out. im probably wrong in some parts but now it all makes more sense to me:
it's clear that hannibal was doing manipulative psychological experiments on will and abigail "because he was curious". and he was planning to dispose of them when he was done from the beginning. his experiments are based on trying to turn them into killers.
right up into the climax, hannibal is still trying to convert will to become a psychopath, to make him believe that he is actually a killer like hannibal. "look at what you've done. see how you feel. are you a killer, will?"
even though at the end, will is imprisoned and hannibal gets away free, imo will is victorious. he says "i know who i am. i am not a killer." he overcomes his self-doubt, illness and hannibals meticulous season-long attempts to change him.
just imagine the opposite, right before will gets shot he could have said "you're right, i'm just like you" and then they'd be friends and it would have been a very different ending.
i guess hannibal didn't expect that during his experimentation he would grow to like will and abigail. but he had to sacrifice abigail in his attempt to "solve/save" will. but that didn't work so i see why he said he "utterly failed them both".
I think the reason he likes Will is that will is so empathetic that he represents the capacity for an end to his lonliness, so its more of an abstract fondness. as to the 'utterly failed', I'm feeling that was more about tricking the psychologist into thinking he had feelings just incase. Perhaps not, and if not, the failure might of been the realization that he would have to virtually destroy will [by getting him arrested] into to complete his transformation.
To me it seems bright as day that the psychologist is fully aware of who Hannibal really is. A few episodes ago it was very strongly implied that the patient who attacked Hannibal's psychologist died not because he slipped, but because Hannibal killed him and his psychologist covered it up.
In the finale, there is an even stronger point supporting this view: the moment where the psychologist tells Hannibal something along the lines of "They will soon discover your pattern" "What pattern?" "You get involved with patients who have a history of violence".
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote: I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.
Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
On June 22 2013 22:39 Jago wrote: Am I completely misunderstanding the relationship between Hannibal and his psychologist or is everyone else missing it?
To me it seems bright as day that the psychologist is fully aware of who Hannibal really is. A few episodes ago it was very strongly implied that the patient who attacked Hannibal's psychologist died not because he slipped, but because Hannibal killed him and his psychologist covered it up.
In the finale, there is an even stronger point supporting this view: the moment where the psychologist tells Hannibal something along the lines of "They will soon discover your pattern" "What pattern?" "You get involved with patients who have a history of violence".
No, it heavily implies that. All the more reason to doubt it!
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote: I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.
Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
Oh and one very obvious giveaway was when it was mentioned that Bedelia (I had to actually look up her name now instead of calling her Scully) went out of her way to avoid Hannibal's dinner parties and that Hannibal bringing the food TO her was the only way they'd be able to have dinner together. She was absolutely aware that she was eating human and the reason she didn't decline when Hannibal showed up at her door is because Hannibal would find it very rude. It all makes sense now.
On June 23 2013 01:52 Jago wrote: Oh and one very obvious giveaway was when it was mentioned that Bedelia (I had to actually look up her name now instead of calling her Scully) went out of her way to avoid Hannibal's dinner parties and that Hannibal bringing the food TO her was the only way they'd be able to have dinner together. She was absolutely aware that she was eating human and the reason she didn't decline when Hannibal showed up at her door is because Hannibal would find it very rude. It all makes sense now.
It's possible that she just wants to keep the whole doctor/patient thing seperate from friendship though. She's been talking a bit about that concerning Hannibal and Will. I don't necessarily disagree, but we should look at all the options :D
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote: I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.
Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I was thinking that too, but it just doesn't make sense given the little psych talks they keep having. Hannibal is clearly keeping up appearances (or he'd just tell her that he was fucking with Will's brain, rather than keep lying about all that). So she probably doesn't know the full extent of his crimes.
Which brings me to: hey guys, it's TV, we can do whatever the fuck we want! And it was a wink to the viewer, to make it clear that the viewer knows they're eating Abigael, without Scully actually knowing. It's terrible direction, but seems to be the only way the look of disgust can be combined with:
1. Her actually eating it (or she is incredibly afraid of Hannibal, which doesn't seem to be the case) 2. The keeping up appearances deal
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote: I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.
Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote: I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.
Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.
or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote: I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.
Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.
or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
His question to her makes no sense in that context, because it was all about how she perceives him as a person. In light of recent circumstances, it would do nothing but reinforce her idea that he was a psychopathic murderous cannibal, and she also doesnt seem nervous around him at all.
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote: I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.
Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.
or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
His question to her makes no sense in that context, because it was all about how she perceives him as a person. In light of recent circumstances, it would do nothing but reinforce her idea that he was a psychopathic murderous cannibal, and she also doesnt seem nervous around him at all.
Her profession gives her the means to distort her emotions. I wouldn't trust any emotions or lack there of that a psychiatrist displays. Personally if feels like a matter where she is more dense than the FBI if she doesn't know what Hannibal really is. Her motives for keeping it a secret are far more interesting.
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote: I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.
Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.
or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
His question to her makes no sense in that context, because it was all about how she perceives him as a person. In light of recent circumstances, it would do nothing but reinforce her idea that he was a psychopathic murderous cannibal, and she also doesnt seem nervous around him at all.
Her profession gives her the means to distort her emotions. I wouldn't trust any emotions or lack there of that a psychiatrist displays. Personally if feels like a matter where she is more dense than the FBI if she doesn't know what Hannibal really is. Her motives for keeping it a secret are far more interesting.
Not really, how could she know he kills people as a hobby? You might discern he has no emotions but unless he makes clear implications that he enjoys murder, there shouldnt be a reason to think it. The only way her character will be interesting if shes related to the slow discovery of who hannibal is, otherwise shes just the blonde chick who talks in an annoyingly low tone in various cut scenes. No progression.
On June 21 2013 22:00 karpotoss wrote: I still feel like the entire fucking fbi is retarded for their inability to connect couple of dots concerning hanniball. He is tagging along Will all the time, knows details of every crime, two patients were killed in his cabinet, he is extremely adept at human anatomy, the doctor and aquitance of hanniball that gave the diagnosis of Will's brain is dead two days later, and i guess you could nitpick much more. Overall i won't be watching next seasons because it felt stale already. But it seems i am in minority.
Pretty much this. They could have replaced Jack Crawford with a sack of cement and it would have done a better job, both in the series and as the head of the FBI. That really is a parody of the character.
Regarding Hannibal and Scully: I don't know the extent to which Scully knows what Hannibal does, but she clearly knows more than anybody else. Question: does she know she's eating Abigael when Hannibal brings her dinner?
I thought it was implied when she made that face after the first bite. At the very least she knew it wasn't veal.
I think were reading into a situation they want us to read into, but in reality its far more innocent. He saved her from her attacker, yes, and I believe she thinks hes psychopathic or very close to it, but I dont think she knows hes a murderer or a cannibal, just as matter of a hobby.
or she knows and won't cross him because she values her life.
His question to her makes no sense in that context, because it was all about how she perceives him as a person. In light of recent circumstances, it would do nothing but reinforce her idea that he was a psychopathic murderous cannibal, and she also doesnt seem nervous around him at all.
Her profession gives her the means to distort her emotions. I wouldn't trust any emotions or lack there of that a psychiatrist displays. Personally if feels like a matter where she is more dense than the FBI if she doesn't know what Hannibal really is. Her motives for keeping it a secret are far more interesting.
Not really, how could she know he kills people as a hobby? You might discern he has no emotions but unless he makes clear implications that he enjoys murder, there shouldnt be a reason to think it. The only way her character will be interesting if shes related to the slow discovery of who hannibal is, otherwise shes just the blonde chick who talks in an annoyingly low tone in various cut scenes. No progression.
The fact that anyone who speaks ill of him dies is a good indication (or his friend; Hannibal also killed people who spoke ill of Will). I suppose she wouldn't have easy access to this information, but I get the picture that Hannibal has killed at least a hundred people. You've gotta pick up the pattern at some point or another.
What would be more interesting is if she knows he is a killer and actively helps him. Her slowly discovering he is a killer is pretty boring to me. She isn't into the whole cannibal thing and we don't know what motivates her to kill yet. Maybe Hannibal saving her from death gave him control similar to Abigail? Maybe they were both killers before said event and that connected them because they discovered each others secret. The possibilities are endless.
I guess "Scully" will play a bigger role in season 2. The series did not have any big cliffhangers like your typically used to in drama series. Gonna see how this plays out. We only had a few little glimpses of mysteries that will at some point be solved.
I'm excited to see how Hannibal is able to turn Will around again to beeing his friend. If I remember right, the series is supposed to be before Red Dragon, and there Will was realizing Hannibal was the killer they were searching for for quite some time. In the state we are now, Will is already aware of Hannibal as the Killer. I'm wondering how they will play this one out.
On June 22 2013 16:14 MadProbe wrote: wow i cant wait for the next season. this is my fav tv show. the acting of will and hannibal is really good, the script is amazing, and the artistic way it's shot/directed is a pleasure to watch.
definitely going to rewatch this series. it seems so complex and with so many subtleties.
i was a bit confused about the plot and why hannibal did what he did, so i tried to write it out. im probably wrong in some parts but now it all makes more sense to me:
it's clear that hannibal was doing manipulative psychological experiments on will and abigail "because he was curious". and he was planning to dispose of them when he was done from the beginning. his experiments are based on trying to turn them into killers.
right up into the climax, hannibal is still trying to convert will to become a psychopath, to make him believe that he is actually a killer like hannibal. "look at what you've done. see how you feel. are you a killer, will?"
even though at the end, will is imprisoned and hannibal gets away free, imo will is victorious. he says "i know who i am. i am not a killer." he overcomes his self-doubt, illness and hannibals meticulous season-long attempts to change him.
just imagine the opposite, right before will gets shot he could have said "you're right, i'm just like you" and then they'd be friends and it would have been a very different ending.
i guess hannibal didn't expect that during his experimentation he would grow to like will and abigail. but he had to sacrifice abigail in his attempt to "solve/save" will. but that didn't work so i see why he said he "utterly failed them both".
I'm not as enthousiastic as you are about the show, for me it's a bit of a letdown compared to Silence of the Lambs (the movie) and the whole book serie, but those were so good it's probably hard to live up to those standards. I like the work of Mikkelsen as Hannibal, the guy acting as Will is so-so (I find his acting monotonous/repetitive/rather flat - it might not be his fault, maybe it's the director's), the relationship between H and W is at times interesting but the 1 serial killer per episode format in season 1 is just too much for me, a lot of graphical violence that doesn't add much to the plot, and murder cases that get solved before I could even start caring about them is ok for 2-3 episode, not for a full season. The red thread/abigail story is interesting but could have taken much more of the show time in my opinion.
Now to your other point, you might be right, my interpretation is somewhat different. I don't think Hannibal is trying to convert Will to become a psychopath. I think he genuinely cares about Will, just like he does care about Clarice in the books, and actually tries to protect him. He's found a good person / a person he likes and would never try and hurt them (spoiler inside the spoiler - at least at this point of the story,for those who read Red Dragon, we all know there's a twist there / end of spoiler inside the spoiler).
I don't know what to think about Abigail yet. We only saw one ear and assumed he killed her, I actually wonder if she's really dead or if it's just another future plot twist (I'd go for the latest, I'd be surprised if they made an important character disappear just like that, just for the sake of Hollywood drama standards). And even if he killed her, her role in the killings was ambiguous, so it might be that Hannibal knew it and therefore didn't care about her that much.
Now all of my reasoning might be wrong just because I interpret this / the Hannibal character based on all the previous novels/movies and in those he never seems to be experimenting on people he likes/good people (I assume Will is one of them - that might be my mistake but I definitely think he is based on vague moral standards), whereas Hannibal loves to play around with people/has no problem hurting anyone who have obvious morality issues (pardon my french, I'm struggling with english for this bit) - what is moral and what isn't having to be defined but that's a longer discussion. Maybe he's just a young Hannibal, and still does mistakes about his moral/personality judgments but the "old" one never seemed to change his mind about anyone and I'd rather think this is a personality trait he developed very young.
I think Will ends up in prison despite Hannibal's attempt to help him, Hannibal probably will try and help him get out of it in the future, but not at the price of his own freedom, which was the bargain at the end of this season, one of them had to go to jail, and I don't think Hannibal would sacrifice his freedom for anyone (or at least anyone we know) so far....
Well I could write pages about it but I'll stop there, gotta go watch HSC! I hope season 2 really develops the Will/Hannibal relationship and focus heavily on it (i.e. dialogues, character development), and spare us all the silly mass murdering/graphical filling (leave that to CSI or whatever), then I could get really enthousiastic about it
On June 23 2013 05:57 Dekker wrote: I guess "Scully" will play a bigger role in season 2. The series did not have any big cliffhangers like your typically used to in drama series. Gonna see how this plays out. We only had a few little glimpses of mysteries that will at some point be solved.
I'm excited to see how Hannibal is able to turn Will around again to beeing his friend. If I remember right, the series is supposed to be before Red Dragon, and there Will was realizing Hannibal was the killer they were searching for for quite some time. In the state we are now, Will is already aware of Hannibal as the Killer. I'm wondering how they will play this one out.
I don't think it's in their highest priorities to make the series conclude just before the events of Red Dragon. I think they're taking their own direction. For example, it's 2013 and not 1960s. Although this is quite interesting, to find out where they're going with it. I hope I'm right, because otherwise we'd know that + Show Spoiler +
in the series Hannibal is never caught, or suspected in anything (which is already turning out to be not the case), so we shall see.
imo, if you're reading this far into the thread you should expect spoilers. like this one:
scully knew she was eating abigail. that was the beauty of the scene. she clearly didn't want to but took a bite out of fear and respect for hannibal. and after she reluctantly took that first bite, hannibal smiled.
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote: scully knew she was eating abigail
What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.
Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote: scully knew she was eating abigail
What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.
Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].
Ok but then, what to think of a psychiatrist that never shows emotions but whose eyes get slightly larger during a human meat dinner ? Are the writers just trying to play with our brains ?
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote: scully knew she was eating abigail
What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.
Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].
Ok but then, what to think of a psychiatrist that never shows emotions but whose eyes get slightly larger during a human meat dinner ? Are the writers just trying to play with our brains ?
Yeah, they are trying to play with our brains. I think her eyes widened because the meat tasted good [as everyone has remarked, it is after all a gourmet meal].
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote: scully knew she was eating abigail
What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.
Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].
I'm gonna assume that last bit was directed at me from my comment earlier. Psychiatrists are not trained to never show emotion. They know how you'd expect them to feel and can cherry pick their emotions based on that to manipulate you; like Hannibal does throughout the entire show. Naturally not all psychiatrists are manipulative psychopaths, but I don't trust her personally.
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote: scully knew she was eating abigail
What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.
Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].
I'm gonna assume that last bit was directed at me from my comment earlier. Psychiatrists are not trained to never show emotion. They know how you'd expect them to feel and can cherry pick their emotions based on that to manipulate you; like Hannibal does throughout the entire show. Naturally not all psychiatrists are manipulative psychopaths, but I don't trust her personally.
Theres few psychiatrists who are capable of that kind of emotional manipulation. Its a massive stretch, and its too obvious an interpretation, just like lounds being murdered by hannibal, which was heavily implied given the scene directly after he first met her.
On June 24 2013 17:23 MadProbe wrote: scully knew she was eating abigail
What are you basing this on?
Apparently if someones eyes go slightly larger [like you do whenever your interested in something, i.e tastey meat] its a clear, unequivocal sign that you know your eating human meat and are complicit in a serial killer/cannibals plans.
Or something. Oh, and psychiatrists are trained never to show emotion [never heard of that before, but im sure its true!].
I'm gonna assume that last bit was directed at me from my comment earlier. Psychiatrists are not trained to never show emotion. They know how you'd expect them to feel and can cherry pick their emotions based on that to manipulate you; like Hannibal does throughout the entire show. Naturally not all psychiatrists are manipulative psychopaths, but I don't trust her personally.
Psychiatrists are doctors who specialize in medicating the brain. They are not psychologists. That's not how they are trained.
Is the ending scene for the last episode that Wil remembers what happened in the house before he got shot and he realizes who Hannibal is, and now will have to play a game while incarcerated?
One thing that bugs me was how they could not check his brain for inflammations one more time... Even after his doctor got killed and his was in hospital multiple times... I feel like they should still be able to figure out that something is wrong and worth checking....
On June 25 2013 23:13 Am0n3r wrote: Is the ending scene for the last episode that Wil remembers what happened in the house before he got shot and he realizes who Hannibal is, and now will have to play a game while incarcerated?
One thing that bugs me was how they could not check his brain for inflammations one more time... Even after his doctor got killed and his was in hospital multiple times... I feel like they should still be able to figure out that something is wrong and worth checking....
On June 25 2013 23:13 Am0n3r wrote: Is the ending scene for the last episode that Wil remembers what happened in the house before he got shot and he realizes who Hannibal is, and now will have to play a game while incarcerated?
One thing that bugs me was how they could not check his brain for inflammations one more time... Even after his doctor got killed and his was in hospital multiple times... I feel like they should still be able to figure out that something is wrong and worth checking....
Hannibal made everyone trust his words.
That is true, but does the ending shot shows that Wil got him figured out and he remembers what happened before he got shot?
Also... I really hate this ended to the season, there is absolutely no conclusion to anything
On June 25 2013 23:13 Am0n3r wrote: Is the ending scene for the last episode that Wil remembers what happened in the house before he got shot and he realizes who Hannibal is, and now will have to play a game while incarcerated?
One thing that bugs me was how they could not check his brain for inflammations one more time... Even after his doctor got killed and his was in hospital multiple times... I feel like they should still be able to figure out that something is wrong and worth checking....
Hannibal made everyone trust his words.
That is true, but does the ending shot shows that Wil got him figured out and he remembers what happened before he got shot?
Also... I really hate this ended to the season, there is absolutely no conclusion to anything
Personally I think that the ending is great: first of all there's a conclusion to the series, since Hannibal tecnically won. But I believe that the "real" conclusion is more subtle... it's about Hannibal finding an equal, a friend.
The last episode is a masterclass about things left unsaid, but still very present. Scully knows about Hannibal's alimentary habits (she refuses to go eat at Hannibal's so he has to take the dinner to herself, plus the look on her eyes is great) and she knows he's a killer: interesting to know that at first she is scared because Hannibal doing something unexpected may be bad news for her, but the moment he mentions Will she immediately relax and even starts to play quirky. Hannibal states that it will be his goodbye to Will, "more or less". That's because he can't understand what Will's reaction after seeing the one who framed him will be.
Then, Hannibal goes to the prison and feels at peace, since he avoided the capture and even better... he just won. But the thing that makes the ending great is that simple exchange between the two opponents: have you noticed how many times the "hello Will" - "hello, Doctor Lecter" mantra is repeated through all the series? It's not only a matter of Will not rushing to the cell's door and screaming his rage at his nemesis. Will realises what happened, he is destroyed... he was even about to kill Hannibal if not stopped (thus giving Hannibal the answer he was searching for: "are you a killer?"). But what does he do? He raises up, takes a good look before answering and then answers back.
It means that after all nothing has changed: it's a confirmation of roles. And that's exactly why Hannibal cannot contain his smile, because he's happy like that. Can't wait for another season, it's going to be brutal.
For those who didn't pick it up: interesting number on Will's jail suit, right? B 5160 - 8... I wonder if any other movie with a certain doctor in jail feature a number like that ^^
if you hannibal fans are bored check out 'the fall'. its a bbc show, also on netflix, starring gillian anderson as a detective hunting a serial killer. i thought it was quite good. i seached and didnt see it mentioned. if you guys have been over this, then i apologize.
that second episode opener was the most gruesome thing ive ever seen. i havnt looked away from a tv show in a long time but i literally couldnt watch that. damn
On March 09 2014 08:10 Entertaining wrote: that second episode opener was the most gruesome thing ive ever seen. i havnt looked away from a tv show in a long time but i literally couldnt watch that. damn
My girlfriend almost stopped watching the whole episode after that
This show just keeps getting better and better though, oh man. & the cinematography is really something special
Yeah haha, I am consistently shocked at what NBC gets away with.
To me this is a sick mans masterpiece I guess I am okay with the fact it will never be a ratings monster, I just hope they can at least get to Silence of the Lambs before cancellation.
On March 09 2014 12:40 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Yeah haha, I am consistently shocked at what NBC gets away with.
To me this is a sick mans masterpiece I guess I am okay with the fact it will never be a ratings monster, I just hope they can at least get to Silence of the Lambs before cancellation.
They might not be able to get to Silence of the Lambs at all Bryan Fuller has stated multiple times that they have been unable to get the rights to Silence of the Lambs. He still is trying to though so if given time it might happen but so far nothing.
So i've watched Silence of the Lambs and been following this show for quite a while, and I'm quite confused. Is the show supposed to portray the book (Red Dragon) like Game of Thrones with a song of ice and fire? Or where should I look chronologically? I know there's three books who I think have all been made a film out of aswell, but where is the show supposed to take place?
Also, the last two episodes have been masterful. the CGI is really good (always has been), tension's rising and everything comes closer together. Really well done.
On March 09 2014 22:31 BurningSera wrote: Not sure how did i miss this show but i am enjoying it tremendously. A very beautiful show. Damn.
I am not sure "beautiful" is the right word to describe it. ;p
I bet you wouldn't say that if you were invited to Hannibal's dinner party... :p
But ya, some people (including me) may think that this can be another bad spin off of The Silence of the Lamb (love that movie!!!) by giving it a miss, but so far this show has showed alot of top notch qualities. They spent alot of effort in the consistency of ensuring the atmosphere and soundtracks to blend in nicely with the pacing of the story, not to say the amazing cinematography they have showed us so far (i am near the end of S1 now). The texture and the liquidity in every meals (and cases) are very beautiful.
Damn. If i was invited to his dinner party I would hesitate to say no.
And that goddamn teaser of taunting us whether did he serve the meat to all these people...
Really messes with my appetite, as I tend to have food prepared before watching a show. But this show is really great, such a fucked up atmosphere that gets to me every time.
On March 09 2014 23:56 Thalandros wrote: So i've watched Silence of the Lambs and been following this show for quite a while, and I'm quite confused. Is the show supposed to portray the book (Red Dragon) like Game of Thrones with a song of ice and fire? Or where should I look chronologically? I know there's three books who I think have all been made a film out of aswell, but where is the show supposed to take place?
Also, the last two episodes have been masterful. the CGI is really good (always has been), tension's rising and everything comes closer together. Really well done.
The show is set pre-Red Dragon. Their version of Red Dragon is planned for season three or four.
I swear when he was preparing that guy's leg, the cracking of the pepper sounded like spider mines to me. Overall I really enjoyed the two episodes so far.
Just watched the first season finally, and it's an awesome show. I even watch it right before sleep. Doesn't give me nightmares. Cause, you see, I know my time. Clock.
Starting season 2 now and I'm really hoping this turns out to be more than that.
How many seasons planned? What day of the week does episodes come out on tpb, monday? Cheers
Not a good show to watch while eating, and I usually have no problem. That guys skin peeling off though.. *shudder*
On March 13 2014 18:43 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Just watched the first season finally, and it's an awesome show. I even watch it right before sleep. Doesn't give me nightmares. Cause, you see, I know my time. Clock.
Starting season 2 now and I'm really hoping this turns out to be more than that.
How many seasons planned? What day of the week does episodes come out on tpb, monday? Cheers
No word on a Season 3 yet, though I think the chances are good. It airs Friday 10pm EST here, so probably up on tpb early Sat. morning for you
On March 13 2014 18:43 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Just watched the first season finally, and it's an awesome show. I even watch it right before sleep. Doesn't give me nightmares. Cause, you see, I know my time. Clock.
Starting season 2 now and I'm really hoping this turns out to be more than that.
How many seasons planned? What day of the week does episodes come out on tpb, monday? Cheers
No word on a Season 3 yet, though I think the chances are good. It airs Friday 10pm EST here, so probably up on tpb early Sat. morning for you
Unless the numbers pick up there is no way there is going to be a season 3.
On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote: Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess.
Bryan Fuller In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.'
no, i havent seen thatactually lol. i watched the one with the voldermort dude.
ok, then i agree with you.
I have heard alot of good thing about that 1986 version, basically some people are saying the old version is Rolls Royce and the new one is rubbish. But I never get the chance to watch it, it is just not the kind of movie that i would go find it and watch it, much like I treat most of the movies from that era, like Aliens, I absolutely love it since i watched it when i was very young but I would not rewatch it on purpose, unless it is showed on tv or some friend somehow got a copy of it.
seriously this show is very well crafted, cant remember the last time i saw a crime show at this caliber, probably since the lambs and Seven.
Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.
Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.
Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.
Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.
On March 14 2014 08:45 Leporello wrote: Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.
Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.
Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.
Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.
That scene where he stroked Julianne moore's hair when he was riding carousel.....mygod....
I only see the lambs as the only worthy Hannibal movie out there, Hopkins was perfect in that but yes his role in the other two were awful (and how strangely they did quite well at their box office...), he was more like a creepy old perv to me in them + Show Spoiler +
(how am i supposed to be convinced that Clarice will end up with him)
. And Hugh is a much better Will graham (partly thanks to the cinematography of handling his mental state, the transformation of that stag into a horned demon/humanoid is indeed excellent).
Mads's Hannibal is the modernized version Hannibal that i'd say is a much needed modification for modern viewers while the gruesomeness and gore were beautifully portrayed - i have no complaint whatsoever. Well, the pacing can be abit slow for some impatient viewers i guess lol.
On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote: Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess.
Bryan Fuller In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.'
I call this ambitious planning.
Agree on that thought.
Hannibal was actually pretty close at getting canned while other shows were getting green lighted for following seasons left and right.
BUT
I still remember that Bryan Fuller said that even if NBC decided to cancel the show, there are about 5 other networks that showed interests in renewing seasons so you can also say that those plan were rather conservative.
On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote: Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess.
Bryan Fuller In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.'
I call this ambitious planning.
Agree on that thought.
Hannibal was actually pretty close at getting canned while other shows were getting green lighted for following seasons left and right.
BUT
I still remember that Bryan Fuller said that even if NBC decided to cancel the show, there are about 5 other networks that showed interests in renewing seasons so you can also say that those plan were rather conservative.
Can those networks actually afford to pick it up though? I have no idea what the production budget of this show is, but I am pretty sure it isn't cheap. The show isn't getting the numbers to survive on any of the big networks.
Hopefully netflix will pick it up and NBC airs the whole second season.
On March 14 2014 03:26 BurningSera wrote: Pretty sure i heard it somewhere that season 3 will be their version of 'silence of the lambs'. but nothing is set yet i guess.
Bryan Fuller In the first season we have this weird bromance between Will and Hannibal, season two is the nasty break up and the third season would have a fugitive angle to it, the fourth season would be 'Red Dragon,' the fifth season would be in the realm of 'Silence Of The Lambs,' the sixth season would be 'Hannibal.'
I call this ambitious planning.
Agree on that thought.
Hannibal was actually pretty close at getting canned while other shows were getting green lighted for following seasons left and right.
BUT
I still remember that Bryan Fuller said that even if NBC decided to cancel the show, there are about 5 other networks that showed interests in renewing seasons so you can also say that those plan were rather conservative.
Can those networks actually afford to pick it up though? I have no idea what the production budget of this show is, but I am pretty sure it isn't cheap. The show isn't getting the numbers to survive on any of the big networks.
Hopefully netflix will pick it up and NBC airs the whole second season.
The entire show is shot in Montreal, Canada.
But I get what you are saying, the special effect of this show have outdone itself over and over again.
I think that in terms of the budgeting though, one Hannibal episode would be just as much as it would cost to shoot an episode of CSI.
And over there in Asia, Hannibal is gaining HUGE momentum. Nearly everybody on Weibo (China's FB) have been quoting the show ad nauseum.
Regarding the show's pacing, yeah it can be slow sometime but that's what I like about it. Unlike Criminal Minds, CSI, and nowaday Law and Order, everything is like a rush to the next punchline for gag factor. This show properly set up the condition and appropriately drops one liner at impeccable timing such as Hannibal responding to the blond psychiatrist after she said "They don't know how dangerous you are." w/ "Neither do you." in a nonchalant manner that many of the main characters in 'mainstream crime shows' couldn't keep a straight face saying and spoil it w/ that smug face of "That was clever wasn't I? :p ".
And just btw Caroline Dhavernas is pretty yummy and thanks w/e galactic overlord out there that Hetienne Park have wiped that smirk face she have whenever she had a line to say during Season 2 and became more serious in partaking that role. Only thing they have to do is dial the other two forensic doctors down a notch and this show's weakness will be nigh noticeable.
On another thoughts, how amazing are the fights scene in this show? That scene w/ the black serial killer + Hannibal where the choreographer fully pan out the sequence was awesomely down. Many shows that are fast paced can't seem to slow down the action part for the audience to fully immerse ourselves into the action but due to Hannibal's pacing, it allowed us to think "Huh, well this isn't happening is it?" and surprised us all when it takes an active turn.
I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +
(copycat's copycat's copycat lol)
?
and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*
On March 15 2014 22:47 BurningSera wrote: I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +
(copycat's copycat's copycat lol)
?
and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*
The body was killed in every way that Will supposedly killed somebody. Shot hobbs; burned like Georgia; mutilated like Sutcliff; impaled like Boyle; the ear like Abigail
On March 15 2014 22:47 BurningSera wrote: I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +
(copycat's copycat's copycat lol)
?
and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*
The body was killed in every way that Will supposedly killed somebody. Shot hobbs; burned like Georgia; mutilated like Sutcliff; impaled like Boyle; the ear like Abigail
I completely forgot that how she was killed lol. I thought it was about the killer wants to hide something on the corpse.
On March 15 2014 22:47 BurningSera wrote: I am disappointed that they didnt question why did the killer want to burn the corpse. And gun and explosive? Surely this is someone else + Show Spoiler +
(copycat's copycat's copycat lol)
?
and i just noticed that the show had some relatively bad rating. *shrug*
The body was killed in every way that Will supposedly killed somebody. Shot hobbs; burned like Georgia; mutilated like Sutcliff; impaled like Boyle; the ear like Abigail
I completely forgot that how she was killed lol. I thought it was about the killer wants to hide something on the corpse.
The stuff in this show is so subtle that you have to watch it twice to pick everything up ^_^
Also the tv ratings are the number of people who watched the show. The first two weeks had pathetic numbers, but they went up yesterday so things might be good to go for the rest of the season.
On March 16 2014 02:30 Nyxisto wrote: I just watched the first two episodes of Season 2 and I think the show started off really good. The fight in the beginning was really well done.
But the scene where the black guy tore himself free from the stitches.. jesus christ.
hey now red dragon was a pretty good movie, hopkins just mailed his performance as hannibal in
other than that, edward norton as will graham, ralph fiennes as the tooth fairy, philip seymour hoffman as the freddy lounds, harvey keitel as jack crawford... they all delivered good performances particularly fiennes
Fun fact: Hopkins only had 16 minutes of screen time during Silence of the lambs. I always found that really astonishing given how much of an impact his role had on the movie.
On March 16 2014 04:03 Nyxisto wrote: Fun fact: Hopkins only had 16 minutes of screen time during Silence of the lambs. I always found that really astonishing given how much of an impact his role had on the movie.
Waoh that's interesting. Hopkins is all I can remember of the movie :D
On March 14 2014 08:45 Leporello wrote: Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.
Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.
Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.
Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.
That scene where he stroked Julianne moore's hair when he was riding carousel.....mygod....
I only see the lambs as the only worthy Hannibal movie out there, Hopkins was perfect in that but yes his role in the other two were awful (and how strangely they did quite well at their box office...), he was more like a creepy old perv to me in them + Show Spoiler +
(how am i supposed to be convinced that Clarice will end up with him)
. And Hugh is a much better Will graham (partly thanks to the cinematography of handling his mental state, the transformation of that stag into a horned demon/humanoid is indeed excellent).
Mads's Hannibal is the modernized version Hannibal that i'd say is a much needed modification for modern viewers while the gruesomeness and gore were beautifully portrayed - i have no complaint whatsoever. Well, the pacing can be abit slow for some impatient viewers i guess lol.
The bolded parts contradict each other. Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon were great movies in my opinion, both had something in common: amazing and well researched novels. If you read everything of Harris, you might also know Black Sunday - the third really good story (without Hannibal). In comparison to these three Hannibal and Hannibal Rising truely sucked ass, they were simply too much of everything, badly written and made no sense, put the old story arch in a bad light.
Without going too much into detail, Red Dragon (new one) portrayed the novel closely - Hannibal as Psychopath with flaws, Graham as profiler and so on and so forth. The series however adds entirely new characters, changes the books a lot (it's not an accident it's says "based on the novel by"). As a consequence Hannibal has less flaws, Graham is more of an autistic deus-ex-machina super brain, suddenly Lounds matters, there's Gillian Anderson and the other chick comforting Graham. It's a new story entirely, so saying "this is the better Graham" is a bit like saying "Dr. House is the better Sherlock Holmes".
Don't get me wrong, I really love that show and I'd like to see the background of the Ripper, hopefully the Red Dragon and if it's somewhat possible Silence of the Lambs. They do a brilliant job so far.
On March 14 2014 08:45 Leporello wrote: Mads Mikkelson has given more life to Hannibal than Hopkins ever did.
Not really Hopkins fault. He was awesome in Silence of the Lambs -- I especially love his meeting with the Senator.
Unfortunately, that is just one short chapter in the Hannibal story-arc. And the other Hannibal movies Hopkins did were just god-awful. Hannibal with Julianne Moore especially, is probably the worst movie of Hopkins' entire career.
Mikkelson has nailed it, though. I find myself disagreeing with almost every complaint about this show that I read in this thread. It's a hard story to write, full of implausible plot-lines, and impossible characters -- but it's a story, folks, it can be larger than life. This isn't "The Wire", and TV would be really fucking boring if every show were that concerned with authenticity. This is more poetic, dark and disturbing as it may be. I love the stag horn iconography -- very majestic.
That scene where he stroked Julianne moore's hair when he was riding carousel.....mygod....
I only see the lambs as the only worthy Hannibal movie out there, Hopkins was perfect in that but yes his role in the other two were awful (and how strangely they did quite well at their box office...), he was more like a creepy old perv to me in them + Show Spoiler +
(how am i supposed to be convinced that Clarice will end up with him)
. And Hugh is a much better Will graham (partly thanks to the cinematography of handling his mental state, the transformation of that stag into a horned demon/humanoid is indeed excellent).
Mads's Hannibal is the modernized version Hannibal that i'd say is a much needed modification for modern viewers while the gruesomeness and gore were beautifully portrayed - i have no complaint whatsoever. Well, the pacing can be abit slow for some impatient viewers i guess lol.
The bolded parts contradict each other. Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon were great movies in my opinion, both had something in common: amazing and well researched novels. If you read everything of Harris, you might also know Black Sunday - the third really good story (without Hannibal). In comparison to these three Hannibal and Hannibal Rising truely sucked ass, they were simply too much of everything, badly written and made no sense, put the old story arch in a bad light.
Without going too much into detail, Red Dragon (new one) portrayed the novel closely - Hannibal as Psychopath with flaws, Graham as profiler and so on and so forth. The series however adds entirely new characters, changes the books a lot (it's not an accident it's says "based on the novel by"). As a consequence Hannibal has less flaws, Graham is more of an autistic deus-ex-machina super brain, suddenly Lounds matters, there's Gillian Anderson and the other chick comforting Graham. It's a new story entirely, so saying "this is the better Graham" is a bit like saying "Dr. House is the better Sherlock Holmes".
Don't get me wrong, I really love that show and I'd like to see the background of the Ripper, hopefully the Red Dragon and if it's somewhat possible Silence of the Lambs. They do a brilliant job so far.
oh i didnt mean that kind of in-dept comparison between the old and new Graham, it was a very basic (and shallow) preference that i said that i think the new one is better. It is because i actually rewatched the lambs, red dragon and Hannibal recently - i wouldn't feel like comparing them if i didnt do that. See if you would feel the same next time you rewatch red dragon.
And old graham does have a super brain too. I prefer the 'uneasiness' part of acting from the new graham better.
And I get what you are saying but i dont think that i contradicted two of my points, the simplest way to explain is that i appreciate hopkins as Hannibal in the lamb very much while at the same time i appreciate the new/modernized Mads's Hannibal very much as well, they are great in their styles respectively in portraying Hannibal; for graham, I didn't think so.
I am genuinely finding parts of this seasons Hannibal unsettling. The atmosphere is so heavy and there's a really pervasive sense of evil whenever something is even slightly related to Hannibal himself. Mads presence is truly fantastic, and the music is doing huge amounts of work too.
Talk about shit hitting the fan about the end of this weeks episode. RIP Ms Katz I guess.
This. fucking. show. so good. Beautiful pictures again i dont know how the director manage their budget.....
We are getting a body from Hannibal afterall haha, Jack's wife was a lucky girl. But really, if you were a FBI, grab that pack of blood/meat and gtfo man.
On March 22 2014 20:34 Asha` wrote: I am genuinely finding parts of this seasons Hannibal unsettling. The atmosphere is so heavy and there's a really pervasive sense of evil whenever something is even slightly related to Hannibal himself. Mads presence is truly fantastic, and the music is doing huge amounts of work too.
Talk about shit hitting the fan about the end of this weeks episode. RIP Ms Katz I guess.
And it was a homage to the scene where Clarice first meets Lecter in SotL. <3
One thing i've learned watching tv/movies is that when you're searching through someones house while you think they are away somewhere you end up dead... they never learn
Good episode. Striking how Bella just made a truly gruesome decision and confides in Hannibal by choosing his office to die in, as well as telling him he made her realize death could be a cure instead of something dreadful - and he responds by casually flipping a coin to decide whether to let her have her peace or not. LOL, this guy.. Such a beastly performance by Mikkelsen
Hannibal is giving me chills. Just an incredible show all around. The atmosphere, the music and the writing are all just so.. well done. Very scary, very unsettling and very foreboding. This last episode was.. oh man. So twisted. Love it.
On March 30 2014 00:22 BurningSera wrote: omg lol that trailer for next week. Another A episode indeed. This is how CG is supposed to be used for, this show is so damn beautiful....
I love the second Season two far. The first season had that 'one crazy murder case per episode' typical tv show feel, but the second season is really plot and character driven so far.
God this show is seriously becoming one of the best I've watched in a long time. Great episode, great season so far, and that preview for next week? I can't wait.
Really hoping this show picks up in viewership, would love to see how this whole series would play out should it get it's full life.
this show is really growing on me, first season was so-so. this season started better but little bit so-so. Now its my favourite show that im watching atm, (behind game of thrones but that is just a few months every year)
On April 05 2014 20:54 Lemonerer wrote: Who was the woman FBI guy found?
Jack found Miriam Lass. She was his star student that came to close to the Ripper when she found a drawing Hannibal had liying around on his office desk.Until this episode she was believed to be dead. Also, the Ripper sent her arm to Jack back in season 1 at some point.
This show. So. Good. But now Miriam will reveal Hannibal unless theres some dumb twist such as the fact that Jack goes at it alone and she dies just before talking etc.
Either way, how come more people dont watch this? I watch so many series, and Hannibal truly is amazing. This thread deserves more posts then the GoT's thread.
On April 06 2014 05:32 unkkz wrote: This show. So. Good. But now Miriam will reveal Hannibal unless theres some dumb twist such as the fact that Jack goes at it alone and she dies just before talking etc.
100% Hannibal left Miriam there to fuck with Jack imo.
We know how super careful and meticulous Hannibal is. I'm pretty sure he mapped Jack to Miriam's location with those clues he left behind in the crime scenes. I don't know whether he's just mentally fucked her up in the years since he abducted her or if there's something else going on entirely, but I am convinced that this is just another step in Hannibal's design.
Personally, I love it even more than GoT. Thing about GoT is the books were great in themselves.
edit: I wonder if Hannibal wants Will released so that they can, in a sense, have an opportunity to oust each other. I don't think Hannibal can resist challenging the rare man who can match (maybe) his intellect.
This show is so tense. I can't eat when I am watching it, not even candy. The atmosphere is top notch, and its both beautiful and gross at the same time.
There is no justice in this world if this show gets cancelled, just none. I mean not even a lot of people on TL are watching it which is weird, since TL is normally way ahead of the general population when it comes to picking up good shows.
And what the poster above me said, the atmosphere in this show is just.. it's just "normal" situations most of the time but since the viewer have some extra information, it just get's so damn eerie with only a few subtleties. The sound and music help a lot here as well, they're just sensational. What does the critics say about this show btw? Breaking bad had poor ratings in the start but the reviews helped a lot.
On April 07 2014 05:30 unkkz wrote: There is no justice in this world if this show gets cancelled, just none. I mean not even a lot of people on TL are watching it which is weird, since TL is normally way ahead of the general population when it comes to picking up good shows.
And what the poster above me said, the atmosphere in this show is just.. it's just "normal" situations most of the time but since the viewer have some extra information, it just get's so damn eerie with only a few subtleties. The sound and music help a lot here as well, they're just sensational. What does the critics say about this show btw? Breaking bad had poor ratings in the start but the reviews helped a lot.
Hannibal really isn't for the "general population of America". It has been getting great reviews from avid critics that can internalize the amount of intensity but for your regular joe that just want a procedural light hearted show for fun-times, I can understand why they are turned away by the show's dramatic moments. This very well attributed to Hannibal's low Nielsen ratings.
I've heard that Bryan Fuller said that there were some other networks that were willing to pick up Hannibal if NBC's deal doesn't fall through so there is always that insurance nets. But I've also heard that STX Soul's president saying that they will most certainly keep sponsoring that team after they won PL so that's something else to consider.
A- grade this week. The mandatory retard ball is starting to get excruciating, but damn if Hannibal doesn't know how to pull off a coup. Shout out to Anna Chlumsky for a great performance. She and Raul Esparza deserve Supporting Actor nominations this year (and give one to Gina Torres for getting robbed last season).
No!!! They killed off the comedy relief character!
That line about Chilton wanting to stay alive as his personal agenda and that he would want to remain alive for any foreseeable future got 10/10 of my chuckle points.
What I like is that Hugh Dancy stepped up his game to be more aggressive and proactive in his acts nowadays, now that's some character development.
But seriously, I sincerely hope that Chilton isn't dead. In SotL, he is suppose to make it till then.
The moment Crawford caught Chilton i think he realised that he isn't the killer, you could see it in his face after he saw Chilton pretty much shit himself.
I'm hoping beyond reason that Chilton is still alive despite Will saying otherwise. The shot went through the cheek rather than the more classic TV lethal headshot choices so there's a small chance that Will is trying to manipulate Hannibal with that info.
WHAT. Chiltern is dead lol??? Who would be the doctor in SotL then?? That comical moment of seeing him died by meriam's hand >_> Don't quite like the direction they are going but high quality as always. Goddamn that murder scene in Childtern's house is beautiful.....
On April 12 2014 13:58 Daray wrote: The moment Crawford caught Chilton i think he realised that he isn't the killer, you could see it in his face after he saw Chilton pretty much shit himself.
Basically my thoughts. Chilton seemed so scared, so deathly afraid. The characteristics and the personality they've built for the ripper hardly fits with a coward.
Really hoping for Chilton to not be dead. And really hoping this gets renewed for a third season.
There is like a zero chance that this gets cancelled.
If i recall correctly Fuller said that after seasons one he had multiple networks interested in continuing the series if NBC decided to drop it, and with it still receiving praises left and right it should be a no brainer, especially for a premium cable channel that does not have to worry about live-numbers at all.
Really interested in the upcoming episodes. Would be a shame if Chilton is dead, but a with a Will who wants to beat Hannibal at his own game rather than just killing him - this should be interesting.
I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote: I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?
He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote: I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?
He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?
Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.
The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.
The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.
The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption.
^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).
Then I think SotL is the fifth season where Clarice gets introduced?
then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.
And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote: I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?
He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?
Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.
The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.
The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.
The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.
^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).
Then I think SotL is the fifth season?
then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.
And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote: I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?
He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?
Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.
The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.
The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.
The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.
^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).
Then I think SotL is the fifth season?
then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.
And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.
Howcome fuller gives out so many spoilers?
Most of this isn't really spoilers just Fuller stating what he thinks the direction of the show. The only time he really spoils the show is when he does an interview with A.V. Club the day after new episodes premiere.
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote: I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?
He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?
Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.
The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.
The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.
The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.
^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).
Then I think SotL is the fifth season?
then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.
And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.
Did he say that Clarice Starling would be introduced in the fourth season? If season 4 is the Red Dragon season, then there is zero need to introduce her; aside from a brief mention at the end of the 2002 adaptation (and only that one), she isn't involved in the events of Red Dragon at all.
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote: I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?
He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?
Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.
The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.
The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.
The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.
^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).
Then I think SotL is the fifth season?
then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.
And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.
Howcome fuller gives out so many spoilers?
I don't watch for the destination anyways.
I watch it because of the euphoric atmosphere it emerges me.
If Hitchcock and David Lynch collaborated together, this would be their product.
On April 13 2014 11:04 trifecta wrote: I don't think Chilton's dead. If you watch the scene in slow motion, the bullet enters the cheek and exits at the neck. Plus Fuller alludes that he's not dead. Maybe brain damaged or paralyzed?
He should be quite dead. This episode was way too farfetched for me, its like the forensics team is a bunch of idiots. Why would Chilton run, he could've told the story of how he was framed. Why is hannibal still involved in all the investigations, hes a suspect yet crawford lets him hypnotize mariam?
Its keeping Hannibal in the dark.
The end of this season is suppose to lead to Hannibal's running away from the police.
The next season is about his run from the cops as a refuge to his capture.
The 4th season is suppose to be Red Dragon''s TV adaption where Clarice gets introduced.
^According to Bryan Fuller (show's director).
Then I think SotL is the fifth season?
then finally Hannibal eventually escapes from the prison which would be the 6th season.
And the 7th one is all new original storyline by Fuller.
Did he say that Clarice Starling would be introduced in the fourth season? If season 4 is the Red Dragon season, then there is zero need to introduce her; aside from a brief mention at the end of the 2002 adaptation (and only that one), she isn't involved in the events of Red Dragon at all.
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.
On April 19 2014 08:26 Thalandros wrote: Hahah yeah. :D God darn its a pity i dont live in the US sometimes, debating whether to stay up for the episode or not to...
That makes me wondering ... They are multiple timezones in the US, so when an episode gets released, which timezone gets the release first? And do channels rerun the episode multiple times a day so people can watch it at the same hour the same day?
On April 20 2014 05:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Man, I feel like I get the opposite reaction to a lot of people here. Whenever I watch this show, I end up getting hungry.
I'd love a 'Cooking With Hannibal' book. One that uses normal meats though, not literally cooking with Hannibal.
On April 21 2014 04:09 Assault_1 wrote: Did anyone notice the weirdo from last episode also played the weirdo guy from Lost? At least he looked like him..
On April 19 2014 12:14 CosmicSpiral wrote: Hannibal plays his hand at the end, so chilling.
what do you mean? I wish I was better at figuring out these things
Hannibal straight up admits that he was deliberately manipulating Will to be a killer. This also means he is not afraid that Will would go to the FBI with this information, therefore taking Will into his confidence.
So, not quite what I was looking for, but I found a blog ran by Hannibal's 'food stylist', Janice Poon.
Not really a cookbook, but it's very interesting seeing how some of the food choices are made, and how she decides on how to present the food, or even some things like replacements she has to use for what the food's supposed to be, since the actors need to eat the food a lot of the time. For example, in the very first episode, the lung that Hannibal's preparing is apparently actually food-coloured mortadella.
Even if there's no recipes, it's also cool to see what the dishes are actually called and supposed to be. I also really like the hand-drawn sketches of the dishes.
I'm 3 episodes into the first season and I have to say that this show is incredible. Every episode is super tense so far and I've loved every minute of it. Will is an incredibly interesting character and every actor is absolutely brilliant; Laurence Fishburne isn't even the biggest stand out actor out of all of them. I had heard great things about this show but it's definitely above and beyond my expectations.
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.
Oh god xD You made me laugh so hard
cant stop laughing at this ;D last 4 words made this statement perfect ;D
As someone who aspires to become psychotherapist in the future every time they showed therapy bits I was both angry and confused. I kept thinking "this is not how therapy is supposed to be"
How foolish I was, realizing so late that they never intended to show therapy, nor does Hannibal perform it at any point in the series. It was clearly highlighted in the last episode, more than his "molding" of the beast-boy, but by Will saying he is (Hannibal) a good persuader.
On April 27 2014 05:39 Maand wrote: As someone who aspires to become psychotherapist in the future every time they showed therapy bits I was both angry and confused. I kept thinking "this is not how therapy is supposed to be"
How foolish I was, realizing so late that they never intended to show therapy, nor does Hannibal perform it at any point in the series. It was clearly highlighted in the last episode, more than his "molding" of the beast-boy, but by Will saying he is (Hannibal) a good persuader.
So Hannibal's therapy are just a way to persuade others to kill?
On April 27 2014 05:39 Maand wrote: As someone who aspires to become psychotherapist in the future every time they showed therapy bits I was both angry and confused. I kept thinking "this is not how therapy is supposed to be"
Just watched the entirety of Season 1. Easily the most stressful show I've ever watched, but also the most encapsulating. I've never felt so drawn to any character as I am Mikkelsen's Hannibal and Dancy's Will Graham. The end of the first season was gripping and makes me frustrated with so much, but it also leaves me desiring so much more. I've loved every murder, every crime, and the way that everything is being tied together is lovely.
I also love how they focus on certain things early on in the episode or season and then bring them up later more subtly.
For instance the psychological driving or whatever it's called. Hannibal said how he supports unorthodox methods of treatment, but the driving was only briefly mentioned twice. I started to realize how Hannibal was driving Will early on, but I don't think the fullness of the situation was revealed until the last episode when his psychiatrist says that he is drawn to violent patients.Her hesitation when eating the "veal" also brought into plain sight the relationship between her and Dr. Lecter. It seems more like Stockholm Syndrome or some kind of captor/captive relationship than anything else, like she is scared of him and wishes to basically remain off his dining table.
If I had to guess she will be one of the people killed next season, but I have lots of speculation as to who will be killed and who won't. I've been trying so hard not to spoil the show for myself, and it's been a real treat watching everything unfold.
I have to say that I think this show may have me more interested than any other show. It may not be as good as Breaking Bad was at its finest, but for its first season this show is remarkable. I am absolutely in love with it and have to thank Teamliquid for having a thread about it. Absolutely awesome show and I recommend that everyone who can stomach the violence watch it. I've never been upset by violence or gore, but I'd have to say at least one or two scenes bothered me on at least some level at first. This show is great and really plays to the human fear of insanity and, even worse, being unaware of your own insanity.
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.
You might want to be careful of what you wish for.
Chilton isn't dead Bryan Fuller tweeted it. + Remember what Will said to Jack? That they should bait the prey what he wants in order to catch him in the act (unless he actually is talking about fishing -_-). What I figured is that Will have been feeding the beast guy to Hannibal while hiding Freddie to misdirect Hannibal.
Btw.
Best line of the episode: "You can slice the ginger" - Hannibal.
Such subtleties.
Have we ever got a show where it takes its long sweet time to develop the characters?
Most shows want to jump to the next punchline as quickly as possible but Hannibal is simply maximizing the tension before loading up the next bullet.
Chilton isn't dead Bryan Fuller tweeted it. + Remember what Will said to Jack? That they should bait the prey what he wants in order to catch him in the act (unless he actually is talking about fishing -_-). What I figured is that Will have been feeding the beast guy to Hannibal while hiding Freddie to misdirect Hannibal.
I know but he's probably going to be gone at least until Season 4. He'll come back with a fashionable scar on his cheek, serving spam and week-old stale bread to a locked up Hannibal. But I don't wanna wait that long!
I agree. If Will did cross that line, it would completely destroy the game he's trying to run and it would ruin the fundamental aspect of his character.
I guess I'm the only one who thinks the show has gone downhill in the last few episodes. I feel like the music is old, I don't care about any of the characters any more, I'm tired of WIll's hallucinations, tired of the music, and feel like the director told all the actors to speak in monotone. Now the episodes are 3/4 Will hallucinating while characters that I don't care about any more have pointless conversations. It doesn't feel like there is a sense of danger that Hannibal can get caught now.
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.
Holy shit this episode, I can't believe what's happening. And then there's the preview too. OMG I want to see the next episode of Hannibal more than I want to see the next ep of GoT now.
On May 03 2014 13:20 goswser wrote: I guess I'm the only one who thinks the show has gone downhill in the last few episodes. I feel like the music is old, I don't care about any of the characters any more, I'm tired of WIll's hallucinations, tired of the music, and feel like the director told all the actors to speak in monotone. Now the episodes are 3/4 Will hallucinating while characters that I don't care about any more have pointless conversations. It doesn't feel like there is a sense of danger that Hannibal can get caught now.
We know he's going to get exposed by the end of this season. I think there's been a tonal problem in the last two episodes though.
i am hoping the reporter is not dead, they are eating the meat from the animal guy.
and ya, it is best to kill the economic animals without letting them knowing/fear, the extreme example is ostrich their meat won't even be sell-able if you caused them panic before killing them. That's why hannibal usually eats inside organs of the victim, a good chef who knows his meat.
and then that preview of next episode >_> now next saturday is so far away...
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.
i loled when i read this first time and now i cant stop laughing while watching the show haha.
How can anyone not love this show? Even for the fan service they do it by style and class lol
I have watched a bit of this series because I love the movies and Mads is a fellow Dane and Fishbourne is cool, it's obvious they've also spent a lot of money on this. What I do wish though was that this series had the same quality writing&script, to be honest I find it extremely unintelligent, predictable and without a hint of realism. This is really and truly utterly sad, as they are trying to achieve the opposite. Despite the series having a wealth of acting talent, stylish filming&camera work, money, the only thing they have achieved is a Terminator 3 or 4. In other words, an utterly disastrous abomination on the screen.
Chilton isn't dead Bryan Fuller tweeted it. + Remember what Will said to Jack? That they should bait the prey what he wants in order to catch him in the act (unless he actually is talking about fishing -_-). What I figured is that Will have been feeding the beast guy to Hannibal while hiding Freddie to misdirect Hannibal.
Yeah I'm fairly certain Will fed Hannibal the animal guy. Right before Freddie shot at him, Will said "I'm not going to let you go until you hear what I have to say. This is all a game to bait Hannibal. So much patience from Will, which I guess makes sense considering his love of fishing.
The last few episodes have really gotten my heart racing. So much tension, I can't wait for the next episode. Only three episodes left. Good god. And we still have the Jack vs Hannibal scene coming. So much to look forward to.
On May 04 2014 17:42 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: I have watched a bit of this series because I love the movies and Mads is a fellow Dane and Fishbourne is cool, it's obvious they've also spent a lot of money on this. What I do wish though was that this series had the same quality writing&script, to be honest I find it extremely unintelligent, predictable and without a hint of realism. This is really and truly utterly sad, as they are trying to achieve the opposite. Despite the series having a wealth of acting talent, stylish filming&camera work, money, the only thing they have achieved is a Terminator 3 or 4. In other words, an utterly disastrous abomination on the screen.
I would have to completely disagree, but I guess that you're entitled to your opinion. I personally do not watch TV for realistic shows most of the time, but I could understand why someone would be frustrated that it's unrealistic. It seems futile though; I mean we're watching a show about a freaking cannibal who is a mass murderer and basically pushes his clients to do the same. Of course it's not realistic. It's fun though, and I don't think most of it has been predictable. I think some of the plot points have been predictable + Show Spoiler +
I think most people saw Will having the potential to be a killer from a few episodes away
. but a lot of it has been suspenseful and I thought that they had good twists. Honestly, I can't really think of any popular show on TV that is realistic. Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Dexter -- none of them are realistic. I guess with each show it's just the degree you let its being unrealistic bother you.
On May 04 2014 17:42 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: I have watched a bit of this series because I love the movies and Mads is a fellow Dane and Fishbourne is cool, it's obvious they've also spent a lot of money on this. What I do wish though was that this series had the same quality writing&script, to be honest I find it extremely unintelligent, predictable and without a hint of realism. This is really and truly utterly sad, as they are trying to achieve the opposite. Despite the series having a wealth of acting talent, stylish filming&camera work, money, the only thing they have achieved is a Terminator 3 or 4. In other words, an utterly disastrous abomination on the screen.
I would have to completely disagree, but I guess that you're entitled to your opinion. I personally do not watch TV for realistic shows most of the time, but I could understand why someone would be frustrated that it's unrealistic. It seems futile though; I mean we're watching a show about a freaking cannibal who is a mass murderer and basically pushes his clients to do the same. Of course it's not realistic. It's fun though, and I don't think most of it has been predictable. I think some of the plot points have been predictable + Show Spoiler +
I think most people saw Will having the potential to be a killer from a few episodes away
. but a lot of it has been suspenseful and I thought that they had good twists. Honestly, I can't really think of any popular show on TV that is realistic. Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Dexter -- none of them are realistic. I guess with each show it's just the degree you let its being unrealistic bother you.
In real life, Walter wouldn't even make it pass season 1 without getting caught.
However said, Mad Men is probably the "most" realistic show out of the list.
I was typing something to reply Evil monkey post but i decided to not be bothered. I work closely with lab and patients' tissues/bodies so I am pretty sure I know what is 'realism' if he meant the technical stuffs in the show; otherwise his points are pointless because the law enforcement related plots etc are unreal in any show/movie anyway.
Realism is a plague that has ruined television for me over the last decade. So I'm pretty happy that this show decides to completely forgo it. Unlike many shows I could name, it's not guilty of being pretentious in attempting to imitate real life for its own sake. Hannibal does have issues but they are unrelated to the portrayal of its fictional world.
Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies.
When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew.
On May 05 2014 02:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies.
When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew.
While I agree about the amount of serial killers they show all being live and operating at the same time gets a bit ridiculous at times that's not the point of the show. The show isn't trying to be plausible it gives up plausibility to try to be more atmospheric. Think of the show as a really dark fairy tale instead of a realistic serial killer thriller. And in response to them messing with the movies and books Bryan Fuller has said that he wants to use those more for inspirations instead of having to follow them religiously. Also I'm curious as to what you consider great original movies. I would argue only Silence of the Lambs and Manhunter are really worth watching with the former being the only movie that really can compete in quality with the show.
On May 05 2014 02:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies.
When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew.
While I agree about the amount of serial killers they show all being live and operating at the same time gets a bit ridiculous at times that's not the point of the show. The show isn't trying to be plausible it gives up plausibility to try to be more atmospheric. Think of the show as a really dark fairy tale instead of a realistic serial killer thriller. And in response to them messing with the movies and books Bryan Fuller has said that he wants to use those more for inspirations instead of having to follow them religiously. Also I'm curious as to what you consider great original movies. I would argue only Silence of the Lambs and Manhunter are really worth watching with the former being the only movie that really can compete in quality with the show.
Bryan Fuller also said that he wants this show to be what if Hitchcock and Lynch collaborated together.
Hitchcock for the suspense induction and Lynch for the fantastical and surrealistic graphics.
I think this show fulfill exactly those two criteria.
what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter. And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases.
Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes*
On May 05 2014 09:19 Assault_1 wrote: what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter. And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases.
Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes*
Do you even get any of this show, at all? Seriously..
On May 05 2014 09:19 Assault_1 wrote: what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter. And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases.
Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes*
Finally, someone who shares some of my sentiments about the writing. Anyway, all in all I just think they could've done better with the resources available to them.
As has been mentioned the show isn't trying to be realistic at all. The goal of the show is to be more atmospheric and the decisions made are to create a certain feel and experience while watching. If you keep watching expecting the show to be super realistic you're going to be disappointed. Also I'm curious if you hate this so much how do you feel about Hannibal and Hannibal Rising?
On May 05 2014 02:41 Evil_Monkey_ wrote: Come on, the amount of serial killers in an area with few people is too high, with an insanely high percentage of them being treated by Hannibal. In addition, they even do an episode where they have a 'black' Hannibal, as if one Hannibal wasn't enough and for some crazy reason psychiatrists & violinists also know Kung Fu like battle techniques. Both make very illogical and risky decisions, so we can have a black Hannibal vs white Hannibal fight which white of course wins. The plausibility & the writing in this show are really really a lifetime low for actors like Fishbourne and Mikkelsen. Simoultaneously, they are butchering great books & great originial movies.
When a tv-series tries to take itself seriously, it should have something like a semi-intelligent plot & a little grain of plausibility. Hannibal the series is trying to be something it's not and it's a shame because it could have been good, they've got the actors, money & Film Crew.
No! Shut up! The show is great! We don't need your gritty realizmzzz in here! Get out!
Seriously though, the show's atmosphere does a good enough job for me that I don't thin about how utterly insane it is.
On May 05 2014 09:19 Assault_1 wrote: what a fucking stupid episode, I'm supposed to believe Will killed that hydraulic beast with his fists? LOL. Will has a shotgun in his hand and just drops it, cuz we all forgot, 100 pound nerd Will Graham is actually a pro MMA fighter. And then Will sets up a display of the guy he killed in the middle of a museum? ya that really sounds like something Will would do, how in-character of him. Whatever, of course there's no guards or security cameras in the museum. The investigating teams of these "gruesome displays" is basically morpheus asking will/hannibal their opinion on what happened, and of course nobody suspects them. Any amateur forensic team can solve any of these cases.
Remember when hannibal got gideon out of a secured hospital room without anyone noticing? Instead of checking security footage and asking for witnesses, lets bring Will and Hannibal over to ask their opinions about what happened. This joke forensics team also came to the conclusion that Chilton was the chesapeake ripper, case closed! *rolls eyes*
I find it funny that it looks like we are watching entirely different show lol (no offense here).
I think I can see why some people say it is unreal/stupid etc, and the key point here is that, Hannibal doesn't spoonfeed the viewers like most of the entertainment products out there nowadays.
About that part where Will owned the beast guy, oh yes we are pretty surprised that he crushed the mechanical bone mask but that only shows that how powerful and smart he is, that he knew that he can still own the beast guy without the gun (the meaning is actually bigger than what i wrote here), and when the demon/killer/sociopath side inside takes control over him he can be a mad MMA fighter yes. Too far-fetched? Well, if 'far fetched' is the word showed up in your mind after watching Hannibal episodes, i don't think it is a right show for the person.
And on a rather scientific point of view, fight or flight effect definitely possible to allow Will to do so (i am actually very nitpicking when it comes to human science etc) while i wouldn't mind to see bigger wound on Will's hands but that will give him straight away to morpheus so it is understandable...
And no, we don't know 100% if will set up the beast guy in the museum....(but i think it is quite obvious that it is the work of Hannibal, caused he told will to go rest etc...). And when you do something like that in a place with cctv, we automatically assume that hannibal is wearing something that won't show his identity (obviously something more than that killer suit) or he used some other method to achieve the same purpose (turning off cctv etc).
The team did suspect them, thats what the last few episodes of season1 and more than half of this season2 about lol. We get episodes to clear out Will and then now they are setting a trap for Hannibal since 2-4 episodes ago, and then we know that Morpheus will have a fight with Hannibal later.
About the Chilton is the ripper part, the team was rather unsure about that (i thought it is pretty obvious...) and that's why alana was asking him questions but then the intern girl shot him. Suspect died, what can you do about it. Plot twist, Chilton might not be dead. Now back to my point again, this show doesn't spoon feed everything to the viewers.
and about the secured hospital part...I'll tell you why it didn't bother me. 1.Hospital doesn't have that high level of cctv, for patient's privacy/confidentiality etc. You can argue that well they should have one or two for Gideon's room, 2.Hannibal found a way to overpass them anyway, and then he overpowered the guards (or was it just one guard/police) and made a scene. How did he do that? We don't know. Maybe he used a blindspot, maybe he cut off the cctv temporary etc. Why did that bother you lol this dude is a professional killing machine. 3.He has showed us many times what is he capable of, like he just walk up and open the door facing 2 police officers and he massacred them in Chilton house. Just because the dude wears smartly 24/7 doesn't mean that he can't have some assassin-like skills while not to say that he is a brainy guy (i think the last book of hannibal explained how did he gain his killing techniques through experience/childhood).
anyway, compare to a supposedly realistic show like CSI, i can point out at least 10 technical 'unreal'/annoying flaws/plotholes in almost every episode but i still enjoyed it nonetheless (oh the show was excellent until Gil left ).
I guess it highly depends on the viewer choosing to watch the right show in the end of day. And, you know, this is a tvshow, I have never seen this quality of writing to cover so many episodes so well, most directors cant even put the story together in a 2.5 hours movie.
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.
What we all took as a joke somehow came true hahaha. I could not stop thinking about this comment when I watched this past episode. Just when you thought it was bizarre for Hannibal, Will and Alana to be in the same bed, Fuller decides to blow your mind by including Margot and Stagman to the party. What is better than a psychological threesome? a five-some :D
In regards to some people finding the show to be bad or too unrealistic, you are all entitled to your opinion. Of course everyone is different so the enjoyment each person gets from watching this show (or any other for that matter) will always differ. I honestly love this series though. There may be some unrealistic moments but overall I would have to disagree and say the show is far from being a poorly written story. I will be incredibly sad when season two ends.
The scene where Will kills the beast with his bare hands was to show Will's inner beast or how he awoke it. I'm curious about him going full Hannibal though. Has he given up on himself and trying to become Hannibal (or something greater than Hannibal) to beat him in his own game or what. If you can't beat Hannibal Lecter, join him.
On April 18 2014 23:39 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: I want to see Alana Bloom in bed with Hannibal and Graham. I can puke and cry at the same time. This is my design.
What we all took as a joke somehow came true hahaha. I could not stop thinking about this comment when I watched this past episode. Just when you thought it was bizarre for Hannibal, Will and Alana to be in the same bed, Fuller decides to blow your mind by including Margot and Stagman to the party. What is better than a psychological threesome? a five-some :D
In regards to some people finding the show to be bad or too unrealistic, you are all entitled to your opinion. Of course everyone is different so the enjoyment each person gets from watching this show (or any other for that matter) will always differ. I honestly love this series though. There may be some unrealistic moments but overall I would have to disagree and say the show is far from being a poorly written story. I will be incredibly sad when season two ends.
I won't!
Because that's when the fun REALLY starts.
Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season.
Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet.
Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season.
Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet.
Haha I meant when the season ends and we have to wait in agony while they go ahead and shoot season 3. I'm fairly certain the series will make it. If NBC won't renew them I am sure some other channel will come in to grab this show but I wonder how long we'll have to wait before the deal finalizes. Might be an extra wait for that to happen before they start shooting for the next season D:
For simplicity sake, I just hope NBC renews this quickly so we can all happily go insane while watching the new seasons. :D
Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season.
Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet.
Haha I meant when the season ends and we have to wait in agony while they go ahead and shoot season 3. I'm fairly certain the series will make it. If NBC won't renew them I am sure some other channel will come in to grab this show but I wonder how long we'll have to wait before the deal finalizes. Might be an extra wait for that to happen before they start shooting for the next season D:
For simplicity sake, I just hope NBC renews this quickly so we can all happily go insane while watching the new seasons. :D
The schedule announcements for the fall season should be next week. Of course, if they do a Spring season again for Hannibal then this is useless.
On May 06 2014 04:23 Daray wrote: Some interesting stuff going on for sure.
The scene where Will kills the beast with his bare hands was to show Will's inner beast or how he awoke it. I'm curious about him going full Hannibal though. Has he given up on himself and trying to become Hannibal (or something greater than Hannibal) to beat him in his own game or what. If you can't beat Hannibal Lecter, join him.
Sorry for spoiling the plot.........but it's like 100% obvious that Will is hooking him like a fish -_-, this stuff being so painfully predictable is why they need new writers......
On May 06 2014 04:23 Daray wrote: Some interesting stuff going on for sure.
The scene where Will kills the beast with his bare hands was to show Will's inner beast or how he awoke it. I'm curious about him going full Hannibal though. Has he given up on himself and trying to become Hannibal (or something greater than Hannibal) to beat him in his own game or what. If you can't beat Hannibal Lecter, join him.
Sorry for spoiling the plot.........but it's like 100% obvious that Will is hooking him like a fish -_-, this stuff being so painfully predictable is why they need new writers......
Considering the show is about Will catching Hannibal im not expecting anything else. I'm just wondering if their take on it is that in order to beat evil you have to become evil yourself or whatever, kinda meh.
Kind of weak episode imo, but it seems like they're trying to set the pieces in place for the season finale. I can't say that I'm terribly surprised about Freddie, but I am surprised that she was in Jack's office. I'm hoping that she reveals about Hannibal, but I know that's not likely to happen. I wonder if Hannibal knows that she's alive and is just acting like she's dead or if he legitimately thought she died.
On May 10 2014 20:22 MtlGuitarist97 wrote: Kind of weak episode imo, but it seems like they're trying to set the pieces in place for the season finale. I can't say that I'm terribly surprised about Freddie, but I am surprised that she was in Jack's office. I'm hoping that she reveals about Hannibal, but I know that's not likely to happen. I wonder if Hannibal knows that she's alive and is just acting like she's dead or if he legitimately thought she died.
You never quite know with Hannibal, I wonder if he did his own personal check on the body himself when he dug it up, I don't know what he could have gathered though since it was burnt to a crisp. I was actually hoping they wouldn't go down the 'long con' route (a part of me wanted Will to be a killer) but it would be the only way they'd catch Hannibal I guess. I wonder if that mean the other two forensic guys are in on this too? Since they had to verify the dead body in front of Hannibal and do that fake dental stuff to convince him she's dead.
I hate Mason, I can't wait till he gets what's coming to him.
Very glad to see this get renewed. I have faith in its continuing longevity but then again I was a huge fan of Pushing Daisies, Bryan Fuller's previous television project that was cut way too short.
Very excited to see Mason get what's coming to him as well. I remember freaking out as a kid seeing how disfigured he was in the movies.
On May 12 2014 11:41 calgar wrote: Very glad to see this get renewed. I have faith in its continuing longevity but then again I was a huge fan of Pushing Daisies, Bryan Fuller's previous television project that was cut way too short.
Very excited to see Mason get what's coming to him as well. I remember freaking out as a kid seeing how disfigured he was in the movies.
Just checked out Pushing Daisies wtf Bryan Fuller pulling a 180 from such a cheerful and happy show into this. That's like Christopher Nolan suddenly doing Romantic Comedies.
On May 12 2014 11:41 calgar wrote: Very glad to see this get renewed. I have faith in its continuing longevity but then again I was a huge fan of Pushing Daisies, Bryan Fuller's previous television project that was cut way too short.
Very excited to see Mason get what's coming to him as well. I remember freaking out as a kid seeing how disfigured he was in the movies.
Just checked out Pushing Daisies wtf Bryan Fuller pulling a 180 from such a cheerful and happy show into this. That's like Christopher Nolan suddenly doing Romantic Comedies.
It is strange - I was just thinking about it the other day. On one hand it makes sense because both series share a sense of detachment from reality and tendency towards fairy tale-esque art and ambiance. It seems that he works to portray worlds full of vivid sensory experiences. I also feel like the color pallet used in Hannibal feels distinctively cold and distant. It lacks life, warmth, and brightness which is all Pushing Daisies ever was. But the mood and feel of the shows do seem to be polar opposites Curious that he would switch things around to be so different.
Both shows have an obsession with death and the way death affects the living. It's a common theme in all Fuller's work. The only place where it's not obvious is Wonderfalls.
Hannibal WILL be discovered at end of this season.
Season 3 will be Hannibal on the run from the cops so we REALLY get to see Hannibal's full form of going all out manipulation. And we will also witness Will Graham's deductive skills w/ the help of the FBI. So far, we are still in the first act of the series, we haven't even seen tension yet.
Haha I meant when the season ends and we have to wait in agony while they go ahead and shoot season 3. I'm fairly certain the series will make it. If NBC won't renew them I am sure some other channel will come in to grab this show but I wonder how long we'll have to wait before the deal finalizes. Might be an extra wait for that to happen before they start shooting for the next season D:
For simplicity sake, I just hope NBC renews this quickly so we can all happily go insane while watching the new seasons. :D
The schedule announcements for the fall season should be next week. Of course, if they do a Spring season again for Hannibal then this is useless.
Hannibal officially renewed for season 3 by NBC. Sadly they're doing the whole mid season start again, but I guess you shouldn't fix what isn't broken.
I think that Hannibal is now officially in the "clear" for Fuller's plan. EVERY body wants to see his version of Red Dragon, it was just a matter of surviving the first two seasons in order to get the media leverage he needs.
On May 14 2014 09:23 stuchiu wrote: This was really good and makes me almost anticipate the Constantine adaptation NBC plans to do.
No doubt that is why they're in the same time slot. I'm disappointed that Hannibal is still banished to Friday, but I suppose Grimm has thrived on this fate as well so all hope isn't lost.
I think they are pushing the death of the reporter too hard, i would be surprised now if she is actually dead lol + Show Spoiler +
(and thank god they showed her in the end of this episode)
. Not quite liking the direction since Will decided to go evil etc, technically he can ask and record what Hannibal would say about the murders (and Hannibal did admit about that, subtly...).
The horse girl is incredibly hot. but this part of the story is just odd. Will is going personal for this etc...the plot is just rather not smart as usual. Anyway, hope they can wrap this up nicely in 2 episodes and yay for season3!
In Boardwalk Empire I was never sure if I liked his acting but that was probably because his character was really stupid, he has really done a very good job in Hannibal.
Hannibal's face when Mason put his feet on his desk. Hannibal's face when Mason stabs his chair the first time. "Whomever is pursuing whom in this very moment, I intend to eat them"
Holy jeez, that was pretty terrifying. I wish they could have elaborated more on Hannibal's persuasion of Mason, it felt kind of cheap the way he just instantly complied. Drugs are OP I guess. Also pretty dickish to have him feed it to the dogs lol.
Now we know that Hannibal will let Jack know, probably in a way that gives the FBI nothing to charge him with. I would definitely be disappointed if the season leads up to the fight between the two, and then 5 minutes later the FBI barges in and apprehends Hannibal.
On May 18 2014 07:58 Reason wrote: Hannibal's face when Mason put his feet on his desk. Hannibal's face when Mason stabs his chair the first time. "Whomever is pursuing whom in this very moment, I intend to eat them"
Just when i want to say that I find Scully's overly slow way of speaking is rather annoying to me and how distasteful to see when he is cutting himself to feed to the pig (dog) (while i very much enjoy the psychological gore in that part...is just that it is rather hard to 'manipulate' someone in reality to do so...professionally i would love to know what is that lol), and then i realized that he is the same disfigured character in Hannibal the movie...damn...nicely done so, this is already 100% better than that mediocre movie.
If this Mason2.0 gave us some amazing speech before this episode ended, I'd agree that he is near Heath's joker performance. Show me some intense (mad) hatred towards hannibal man.
On May 19 2014 05:46 BurningSera wrote: Just when i want to say that I find Scully's overly slow way of speaking is rather annoying to me and how distasteful to see when he is cutting himself to feed to the pig (dog) (while i very much enjoy the psychological gore in that part...is just that it is rather hard to 'manipulate' someone in reality to do so...professionally i would love to know what is that lol), and then i realized that he is the same disfigured character in Hannibal the movie...damn...nicely done so, this is already 100% better than that mediocre movie.
If this Mason2.0 gave us some amazing speech before this episode ended, I'd agree that he is near Heath's joker performance. Show me some intense (mad) hatred towards hannibal man.
I believe Mason Verger was given amyl nitrate, pcp and meth.
On May 19 2014 05:46 BurningSera wrote: Just when i want to say that I find Scully's overly slow way of speaking is rather annoying to me and how distasteful to see when he is cutting himself to feed to the pig (dog) (while i very much enjoy the psychological gore in that part...is just that it is rather hard to 'manipulate' someone in reality to do so...professionally i would love to know what is that lol), and then i realized that he is the same disfigured character in Hannibal the movie...damn...nicely done so, this is already 100% better than that mediocre movie.
If this Mason2.0 gave us some amazing speech before this episode ended, I'd agree that he is near Heath's joker performance. Show me some intense (mad) hatred towards hannibal man.
I believe Mason Verger was given amyl nitrate, pcp and meth.
I doubt even LSD can affect someone to do something like that (it is supposedly to be the most potent hallucinogen) but the point is that you cant have hallucination+inflicted pain on the same person, hallucinating can make crazy shit happens but your sensation is intensified heavily that you will feel immerse pain from hurting yourself just a little (kinky spanking is a thing, cutting off your nose is a whole new level of pain); while feeling numb/losing the ability to perceive pain while staying awake at that level of hardcore self inflicting pain (plus under the effect of powerful hallucinogen) is quite....impossible.
but yeah, i am not too bothered with the science behind since they delivered such a beautiful disturbing scene...
I'm not sure why you're bringing up LSD; they're not the same kind of drug. Unlike LSD, PCP is a dissociative and was originally developed as an anesthetic and is still sometimes used as an animal tranquilizer.
caused you do need some level of hallucination (he is seeing the dog as pig) to do so, and high dose of pcp can give some schizophrenic-like effects, causing delusions, hallucinations etc. but can one be that functional (talking nicely and accurately identify Will and cutting off nose) is what i concern on, despite whatever 'anaesthetic' effect pcp gives (i have only heard about one feeling drowsy and disgusted/nausea from pcp tbh).
Very disturbing scene indeed, kept me a bit awake last night :/
However I am wondering if Hannibal intentionally paralyzed M.Verger or did he failed to break his neck ?
If I remember correctly he checked Verger's pulse after breaking his neck so he was aware of his survival and he didn't finish him off.
Also I had a strong sense of deja-vu when Hannibal expertedly killed one of Mason henchman with a scalpel slice to the leg. Did this particuliar scene was present in the movie Hannibal ?
Yea I definitely had the impression he intentionally left him alive but paralyzed just to ruin his life in an even greater way. Also I loved the way they did the part where Hannibal is cut loose by Will, like a beast unleashed. Part of what makes Hannibal so interesting and mythical is how they are keeping information from us. Would be pretty lame to have an action sequence right there imo. Like what would Will think after waking up in that spot? I would be scared shitless of this inhuman creature and his capabilities.
On May 21 2014 01:03 Xiphos wrote: If Hannibal killed verger on the spot, Will could've just arrested him there.
Hannibal knew that but still want to give Verger a piece of his mind.
I'm pretty sure breaking the neck of someone is worthy of an arrest.
The physical and psychological state of Verger would give law enforcement enough reason to detain Hannibal and search his house leading to a swift arrest & conviction.
I'm pretty sure Will didn't arrest Hannibal there because he wanted to avenge Margot and their unborn child.
On May 21 2014 01:03 Xiphos wrote: If Hannibal killed verger on the spot, Will could've just arrested him there.
Hannibal knew that but still want to give Verger a piece of his mind.
I'm pretty sure breaking the neck of someone is worthy of an arrest.
The physical and psychological state of Verger would give law enforcement enough reason to detain Hannibal and search his house leading to a swift arrest & conviction.
I'm pretty sure Will didn't arrest Hannibal there because he wanted to avenge Margot and their unborn child.
They don't know he's hiding shit in his house though. Imagine fiding nothing, Hannibal is charged with assault or whatever and walks fairly fast. Also what do you mean when you say he wants to avenge Margot, arresting Hannibal or not doesn't change what happens to Mason?
On May 21 2014 19:05 Warfie wrote: They don't know he's hiding shit in his house though. Imagine fiding nothing, Hannibal is charged with assault or whatever and walks fairly fast.
I don't live in the US but I'm sure that the sentence for puting a man in a wheelchair will cost him at least his medical license. Even if Mason doesn't press charges, the testimony of Will is enough.
Whatever substances that can be found in Mason's blood would also implicate Hannibal.
On May 21 2014 19:05 Warfie wrote: Also what do you mean when you say he wants to avenge Margot, arresting Hannibal or not doesn't change what happens to Mason?
I implied that Will let Hannibal do his things in order to avenge what Mason has done to his sister. Retribution at its finest without getting his hands dirty.
On May 21 2014 19:05 Warfie wrote: They don't know he's hiding shit in his house though. Imagine fiding nothing, Hannibal is charged with assault or whatever and walks fairly fast.
I don't live in the US but I'm sure that the sentence for puting a man in a wheelchair will cost him at least his medical license. Even if Mason doesn't press charges, the testimony of Will is enough.
Whatever substances that can be found in Mason's blood would also implicate Hannibal.
Yeah probably, but it seems Jack thinks he's put too much on the line to not get a real murder charge. At least I got that impression when he was pressuring Will
On May 23 2014 07:23 Warfie wrote: Yeah probably, but it seems Jack thinks he's put too much on the line to not get a real murder charge. At least I got that impression when he was pressuring Will
Jesus, that's a lot of blood spilled in one episode lol and now we play the painful waiting game. Anyone care to speculate on why Maurier was on the plane with Hannibal?
There is/was also speculation the very last scene with Maurier could just have been in Hannibal's mind palace, but apparently Fuller has gone out and said it did in fact happen.
Edit: To above me, exactly
Anyway, what a crazy finale. We have absolutely no idea who dies or not of the three victims left in Hannibal's house. Also Abigail's return was so crazy that for once, I did not get angry at a main protagonist for standing in awe until cut down. I was equally flabbergasted as a viewer. The way Hannibal guts Will too.. And he sheds a single tear when he leans down and tells Will he can make it all go away, right after slitting Abigails's throat. Such a strong episode altogether.
Jack maybe. I think they can kill him off and it would make sense and he sure seems in a bad way. He's also tucked away out of sight so might not be found the fastest.
Alana is rather boring so I'd rather she dies than Abigail. I think we'd get some good material about a Will/Abigail father/daughter rebuilding relationship post-Hannibal. I'm only expecting one of the girls to survive this though.
Beautiful. That may have been the most perfect episode on TV, other than maybe Ozymandias. The music was perfect. The cinematography was perfect. It was suspenseful, painful, and brilliant all at the same time. 10/10 for the season finale. I can't wait to see what happens next.
Wow, Hannibal really played that out so well. I'm so sorry for all of them, though, especially for Abigail and Will. Really interested to see who is going to make it out alive. I assume it's at least gonna be Will.
I just wish they would tone it down a bit on the dialogue, it's starting to feel like they're trying too hard. Other than that, it was a good finale.
Also, I predict that, in the coming months, a wave of people will start saying that "Hannibal is the best show ever except for maybe Breaking Bad which is the best show ever except maybe for The Wire".
Season final was just pure catharsis, every emotion poured out of every character in such a brutal way. I'm just sad we have to wait until 2015 for next season... Will has to survive cause he's the main character unless NBC somehow gets Clarice Starling into the story as the main character. Alana is either dead, paralyzed or barely survived. I'd prefer to see Abigail dead to really hit it hard for Will but at the same time I'd like to hear her story. I'd suggest everyone watch this episode, was absolutely incredible.
Laurence Fishburne is doing another show called "Black-ly" I heard which could put his role in the next season in peril, possibly killing him off which would be a shame cause of how essential of a role he has in the story.
Would anyone else really want the season opener to basically explain the events leading up to the season finale from Hannibal's perspective? I think that would be really cool if we got to explore that side of the story.
Here's an interview with Fuller on the end of Season 2 and how Season 3 is going to kick off. It seems like Episode 1 will leave us in the dark and focus on Hannibal and Bedelia.
"So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"
On May 25 2014 09:09 Xiphos wrote: "So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"
"I'm going to Disneyland."
''With my lovely new wife who testified against me just a couple weeks back, but who cares, I killed all the people who cared about me!''
On May 25 2014 09:09 Xiphos wrote: "So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"
"I'm going to Disneyland."
''With my lovely new wife who testified against me just a couple weeks back, but who cares, I killed all the people who cared about me!''
Did she even give them anything incriminating? All I remember is that she said that Hannibal manipulates people into doing things.
On May 25 2014 09:09 Xiphos wrote: "So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"
"I'm going to Disneyland."
''With my lovely new wife who testified against me just a couple weeks back, but who cares, I killed all the people who cared about me!''
Did she even give them anything incriminating? All I remember is that she said that Hannibal manipulates people into doing things.
She said Hannibal manipulated her into killing her patient, she stated it was ''self-defense'', then she took that statement back in and said she murdered him because Hannibal's manipulation.
On May 25 2014 09:09 Xiphos wrote: "So Hannibal, you managed to kill the most prolific serial killer profiler, another brilliant psychologist, the head of a FBI department, and tricking the daughter of a serial killer to do your bidding. What's your next move?"
"I'm going to Disneyland."
''With my lovely new wife who testified against me just a couple weeks back, but who cares, I killed all the people who cared about me!''
Did she even give them anything incriminating? All I remember is that she said that Hannibal manipulates people into doing things.
She said Hannibal manipulated her into killing her patient, she stated it was ''self-defense'', then she took that statement back in and said she murdered him because Hannibal's manipulation.
Yes and if that had any bearing in court they would have a warrant for Hannibal's arrest. It doesn't so we get the season finale instead.
She claimed it was self defense until she had immunity and couldn't be charged with murder.
goddamnit i am depressed now knowing we wont see s3 until 2015....goddamn that ending LOL.
In the realistic sense, these people are all stupid to go for hannibal 1 by 1. What the hell was jack thinking lol. And then hannibal didn't even ensure everyone is dead before he left the house, so all is good. Probably they made this in the mindset that they might not be able to produce season3.
I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T
Very beautiful episode, eye fest for blood seeker lover. The brilliant thing is that we will be entertained in season3 regardless who is dead and who is alive lol.
On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote: goddamnit i am depressed now knowing we wont see s3 until 2015....goddamn that ending LOL.
It is even worse knowing that when the show finally does come back we won't even know until the the week after that ^_^
On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote: I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T
Being a meanie is the point as far as I could tell. The three of them were supposed to run off together and go on murdering people I guess. Will abandoned Hannibal and so Hannibal took everything Will loved. Him surviving and the rest of them dying might just be worse than death.
On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote: I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T
From what we know from Red Dragon, Hannibal wounds Will in the exact same way and Will lives. If Fuller is intent on following the Harris canon in this way (killing off your main protagonist is a bit iffy considering they don't have rights to Silence, so they can only bring in Clarice via proxy) it means he's setting up a showdown at the end of Season 3. Hannibal has already shown he understands the small differences separating a debilitating injury from a fatal one.
He kills her as a means to reassert his power. Will hurt Hannibal in a way that no one has ever been able to do before: Hannibal puts himself in a position of weakness through his friendship and left himself open to betrayal. No one could ever accomplish that before as he never revealed his true nature to others. It's what Will implies when he says he has already changed Hannibal. In order to get revenge (and all revenge at heart is meant to rebalance the scales) he recreates Abigail's mutilation by her father. There's multiple other themes running through that event but it's late here. I'll explain it tomorrow if you want.
Why did Hannibal keep Abigail alive all this time? Did he feel some sort of father figure to her?
I also think that Hannibal has Scully captive in a way. If he doesn't then why have that scene where he went to her house all suited up to kill her to end up being on his side in the first place?
On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote: I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T
From what we know from Red Dragon, Hannibal wounds Will in the exact same way and Will lives. If Fuller is intent on following the Harris canon in this way (killing off your main protagonist is a bit iffy considering they don't have rights to Silence, so they can only bring in Clarice via proxy) it means he's setting up a showdown at the end of Season 3. Hannibal has already shown he understands the small differences separating a debilitating injury from a fatal one.
He kills her as a means to reassert his power. Will hurt Hannibal in a way that no one has ever been able to do before: Hannibal puts himself in a position of weakness through his friendship and left himself open to betrayal. No one could ever accomplish that before as he never revealed his true nature to others. It's what Will implies when he says he has already changed Hannibal. In order to get revenge (and all revenge at heart is meant to rebalance the scales) he recreates Abigail's mutilation by her father. There's multiple other themes running through that event but it's late here. I'll explain it tomorrow if you want.
Interesting. Please talk about that.
Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.
On May 26 2014 12:15 BurningSera wrote: I dont quite get the meaning of killing Abigail though, Will is already stabbed and hurting him more by doing that on abigail doesn't really matter at that point (he is going to die anyway). Hannibal is just a meanie by killing her T_T
From what we know from Red Dragon, Hannibal wounds Will in the exact same way and Will lives. If Fuller is intent on following the Harris canon in this way (killing off your main protagonist is a bit iffy considering they don't have rights to Silence, so they can only bring in Clarice via proxy) it means he's setting up a showdown at the end of Season 3. Hannibal has already shown he understands the small differences separating a debilitating injury from a fatal one.
He kills her as a means to reassert his power. Will hurt Hannibal in a way that no one has ever been able to do before: Hannibal puts himself in a position of weakness through his friendship and left himself open to betrayal. No one could ever accomplish that before as he never revealed his true nature to others. It's what Will implies when he says he has already changed Hannibal. In order to get revenge (and all revenge at heart is meant to rebalance the scales) he recreates Abigail's mutilation by her father. There's multiple other themes running through that event but it's late here. I'll explain it tomorrow if you want.
Interesting. Please talk about that.
Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.
Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.
that, is the most beautiful love story i have ever heard of.
i cant remember the details anymore since i kinda binge watched season1 a few months back defo getting bluray box set for this. cannot wait for rewatching them on big screen tv.
On May 28 2014 00:05 BurningSera wrote: that, is the most beautiful love story i have ever heard of.
i cant remember the details anymore since i kinda binge watched season1 a few months back defo getting bluray box set for this. cannot wait for rewatching them on big screen tv.
It's a shame we'll never have happy murder husbands.
On May 28 2014 06:09 Assault_1 wrote: thank god this farfetched season is over, can focus on 24 and game of thrones. Its a relief not having to roll my eyes 30 times an episode
This post is hilarious for so many reasons. You bitch about Hannibal being unrealistic, and then go on to watch GoT and 24?
On May 27 2014 15:19 Sterlymobile wrote: Why did Hannibal keep Abigail alive all this time? Did he feel some sort of father figure to her?
Yes, he identifies Abigail with his dead sister Mischa. But more importantly he understood how important she was to Will.
On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote: Interesting. Please talk about that.
Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.
Hannibal is under the impression that they share the highest level of philia (Fuller includes a fair bit of queer baiting but their relationship is not sexual at all) although it's a relationship that necessities his...um, direct involvement. Throughout the series Hannibal's idea of true friendship is to spur people to be their best selves. His conception of "best self" is a twisted version of his obligation as a psychiatrist: to help people recognize and embrace their true nature. In his conceited fashion he pushes people to act upon their darkest aspects, fancying himself as possessing the same prerogatives as God. Hannibal sees no problem in manipulating others to commit horrible acts if said acts are internally motivated. He never lies to get his way except if it would directly harm him.
To Hannibal, Will was the closest thing to he will ever have to a true friend. Will could both see Hannibal as his true self and accept him: unlike Randall, he would never be a puppet or a slave to Hannibal's manipulation. Hannibal wants to mold Will into something similar to himself (obviously the good doctor thinks he is a superior version of man) but he equally admires other traits such as his responsibility he feels towards Abigail. So he goes out of his way to "reverse the teacup" and set up a scenario where Will would have everything he theoretically wants: a friend who intimately understands and accepts him and a substitute daughter bonded through shared experience (although terrible) and mutual need. A family with no secrets and no need to keep them. As it turns out it's Hannibal's projection all along.
On May 27 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote: Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.
I would say the better comparison is Hannibal sacrificing his old life to Achilles' death wish after Patrocles dies.
What on earth was that episode. Can't say I saw Abigail being alive, so that was certainly a shock. And by my beard, Mads and Hugh put on an incredible performance. Only shame is now we have to wait for season 3.
On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote: Interesting. Please talk about that.
Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.
Hannibal is under the impression that they share the highest level of philia (Fuller includes a fair bit of queer baiting but their relationship is not sexual at all) although it's a relationship that necessities his...um, direct involvement. Throughout the series Hannibal's idea of true friendship is to spur people to be their best selves. His conception of "best self" is a twisted version of his obligation as a psychiatrist: to help people recognize and embrace their true nature. In his conceited fashion he pushes people to act upon their darkest aspects, fancying himself as possessing the same prerogatives as God. Hannibal sees no problem in manipulating others to commit horrible acts if said acts are internally motivated. He never lies to get his way except if it would directly harm him.
To Hannibal, Will was the closest thing to he will ever have to a true friend. Will could both see Hannibal as his true self and accept him: unlike Randall, he would never be a puppet or a slave to Hannibal's manipulation. Hannibal wants to mold Will into something similar to himself (obviously the good doctor thinks he is a superior version of man) but he equally admires other traits such as his responsibility he feels towards Abigail. So he goes out of his way to "reverse the teacup" and set up a scenario where Will would have everything he theoretically wants: a friend who intimately understands and accepts him and a substitute daughter bonded through shared experience (although terrible) and mutual need. A family with no secrets and no need to keep them. As it turns out it's Hannibal's projection all along.
On May 27 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote: Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.
I would say the better comparison is Hannibal sacrificing his old life to Achilles' death wish after Patrocles dies.
I just started watching this show, so for no spoilers, I didn't read the thread yet, but damn. This is pure genius.
I chain-watched the first five eps, and took a break even though I wanted to keep going. It's great, but it's also kind of heavy on the mind, I can't explain it. In any case, I absolutely love it. Will watch it all very quickly.
On May 27 2014 15:19 Sterlymobile wrote: Why did Hannibal keep Abigail alive all this time? Did he feel some sort of father figure to her?
Yes, he identifies Abigail with his dead sister Mischa. But more importantly he understood how important she was to Will.
On May 27 2014 20:18 BurningSera wrote: Interesting. Please talk about that.
Now the love connection between hannibal and will looks stronger after reading your post lol.
Hannibal is under the impression that they share the highest level of philia (Fuller includes a fair bit of queer baiting but their relationship is not sexual at all) although it's a relationship that necessities his...um, direct involvement. Throughout the series Hannibal's idea of true friendship is to spur people to be their best selves. His conception of "best self" is a twisted version of his obligation as a psychiatrist: to help people recognize and embrace their true nature. In his conceited fashion he pushes people to act upon their darkest aspects, fancying himself as possessing the same prerogatives as God. Hannibal sees no problem in manipulating others to commit horrible acts if said acts are internally motivated. He never lies to get his way except if it would directly harm him.
To Hannibal, Will was the closest thing to he will ever have to a true friend. Will could both see Hannibal as his true self and accept him: unlike Randall, he would never be a puppet or a slave to Hannibal's manipulation. Hannibal wants to mold Will into something similar to himself (obviously the good doctor thinks he is a superior version of man) but he equally admires other traits such as his responsibility he feels towards Abigail. So he goes out of his way to "reverse the teacup" and set up a scenario where Will would have everything he theoretically wants: a friend who intimately understands and accepts him and a substitute daughter bonded through shared experience (although terrible) and mutual need. A family with no secrets and no need to keep them. As it turns out it's Hannibal's projection all along.
On May 27 2014 23:54 stuchiu wrote: Hannibal did compare them to Achilles and Patrocles. Patrocles put on Achilles armor to save the Greeks, Will "becomes" the murderer Hannibal wanted so he can stop Hannibal. Achilles quit the war in a fit of petty rage as his prize was stolen. Hannibal recreates the murder scene of Abigails Hobbs and her father in a fit of petty rage to hurt Will. It is the strongest thing he can do as that murder scene is what made them friends. When it is reenacted again at the end of season 1, it gives both of them the clarity to see and understand each other. And now Hannibal uses it to sever all ties with Will. At least that was the impression I got.
I would say the better comparison is Hannibal sacrificing his old life to Achilles' death wish after Patrocles dies.
I read that with Hannibal's voice.
Rofl! I did too but I didn't think anything of it until I read your comment hahaha.
Honestly though I thought that season was amazing. I think it easily takes #1 on my TV 2014 list.
JUST finished S2. All I can think is "what the hell with that ending?" that made me scramble to see if there would be a third season. This is one of the few movies / tv-series that has successfully made me somewhat uncomfortable.
On August 21 2014 06:14 ObviousOne wrote: JUST finished S2. All I can think is "what the hell with that ending?" that made me scramble to see if there would be a third season. This is one of the few movies / tv-series that has successfully made me somewhat uncomfortable.
The producers made this season with the mindset of not being able to renew the series.
Hannibal season 3 trailer has been released. Don't know if this video will be blocked eventually or not so I'll provide a second link but it only works for people in the US.
Looks like a William Blake reference at 0:53. Doesn't seem like The Great Red Dragon and the Woman Clothed in Sun though. It could just be a distortion of the image due to use of a projector.
I still can't believe how much stuff this show gets away with. If I recall correctly, the censorship peeps at the FCC wouldn't let the production show a butt crack or something... so the production proposed, "what if we have it covered thickly in blood?" and for some reason that was acceptable.
On January 24 2015 06:29 URfavHO wrote: I still can't believe how much stuff this show gets away with. If I recall correctly, the censorship peeps at the FCC wouldn't let the production show a butt crack or something... so the production proposed, "what if we have it covered thickly in blood?" and for some reason that was acceptable.
It was NBC who took offense not the FCC (although likely because it could have been an FCC violation). The bodies were flayed so the blood/butt cracks weren't even the worst part imo
On June 05 2015 22:32 Oldfool wrote: I had forgotten how exquisite the cinematography in the show is; what a beautifully crafted start to the season.
I agree that the cinematography was excellent and I was really taken aback by how stunning it was, especially the recurring drops of water and blood. Unfortunately I thought the episode itself was rather boring and didn't do much to develop the plot of the season. The second episode looks really promising though.
Such beautiful pilot of the season. Just chill guys Hannibal has always been like that, the tempo is slow as fuck is the kind of show that you sit back and have a glass of nice whisky in your hands and enjoy it
That said, I think the cinemagraphy is over the top in this episode lol
Agreed. I'm interested to see what Will's motive/relationship is like with Hannibal moving forward. I don't know if he resents Hannibal after all that's been done, or if he understands that Hannibal did what he had to and moving forward has a new-found trust/respect for him. I think when he was shuddering at the moose it may have represented his fear of how he truly feels about Hannibal. I think it's interesting that Will is still dealing with some form of dissociative personality disorder possibly. It kind of calls into question whether he was hallucinating that Abigail was with him or if he was just trying to repress his anger/sadness in an effort to find some reason not to hate Hannibal for taking everything away from him.
After reflecting on the episode for a little bit I definitely had a greater appreciation for it. I really hope that if this show doesn't get renewed after this season it is picked up by Netflix, Amazon, or Hulu.
On June 23 2015 06:37 Aocowns wrote: god fucking fuckass shit what the fuck is this the pain every Firefly fan ever felt? fuck this gay earth
Don't freak out, it will almost surely get picked up very quickly by a cable or streaming network.
NBC doesn't own the entirety of the rights like Fox did with Firefly and we're living in a very different age of television.
I'll look forward to seeing Season 4 on Netflix or Amazon and I'm both surprised and impressed that NBC funded 3 seasons of a show that was actually good!
On June 23 2015 06:37 Aocowns wrote: god fucking fuckass shit what the fuck is this the pain every Firefly fan ever felt? fuck this gay earth
Don't freak out, it will almost surely get picked up very quickly by a cable or streaming network.
NBC doesn't own the entirety of the rights like Fox did with Firefly and we're living in a very different age of television.
I'll look forward to seeing Season 4 on Netflix or Amazon and I'm both surprised and impressed that NBC funded 3 seasons of a show that was actually good!
Really hope some other channel picks up Hannibal it's an absolute travesty this is being canceled while garbage sitcoms and dramas are allowed to live on.
On June 23 2015 08:18 Sent. wrote: I dont get why would they announce the cancellation so early, it's like they know the rest of s3 is hopelessly bad
It's not that it's probably bad, it's that the ratings have been so low up to this point that they probably don't see any reason to play games and are just going to outright cancel it.
I won't lie, I didn't watch episode three yet because I haven't had the chance. I'm very disappointed, although not at all surprised, that NBC is cancelling it, but I hope it gets picked up by Netflix (although Hulu seems more likely). I feel like Bryan Fuller picked the worst possible way to open up season three. Artsy episodes are great and all, but they're awful for attracting new viewers and can possibly even turn casual viewers away from the show. Poor move on his part, although he may have already known it would be cancelled and wanted to get to play around with more stylistic episodes before the show ended.
I just recently finished season 2 and started season 3, and this show is simply outstanding. It's exactly what I want: a slow, psychological drama with matchless cinematography.
I do hope it gets picked up. It's well-loved by the fanbase and universally praised as a great show, so no reason not to. But we never know...
It can be for various reasons. Maybe they did want to cancel it so the scenario can be tight. Maybe the main actor don't want to continue anymore. Dexter would have been better cancelled quite early too.
It's hard to make the suspension of disbelief work over the years, sitcoms rely less on that and cost less.
On June 23 2015 08:18 Sent. wrote: I dont get why would they announce the cancellation so early, it's like they know the rest of s3 is hopelessly bad
Something i read on Reddit, which makes sense.
Here is why I believe this move was made now: television contracts for cancelled shows expire on June 30 every year. Assuming Hannibal is on the same cycle as normal fall/spring shows, NBC made this move now instead of in Aigust at the end of the season to allow Hannibal to find a new home before the cast contracts expire. Remember when Community was picked up on June 30 last year by Yahoo? That was as last minute as it gets. Hannibal is now on the clock.
I'm not in the slightest worry at all, maybe i would if this was a couple years back but the industry works differently now with online streaming, hope Netflix snatched it already
I watched some of this show and felt compelled to post a good/bad/ugly list:
The good:
Whatever chef(s) are consulting for this show, the decisions he/she/they are making, and all of the food scenes. This is the best and scariest part of the show. I read a blog somewhere that goes into detail about the decisions that were made with the food scenes and it was awesome.
Mads Mikkhelsen. Hannibal is the only consistently good and likeable character in the show imo. I don't think Mads's performance could have been better.
Wardrobes.
There is good cinematography in this show at points.
Casting Lawrence Fishburne and Gina Torres as husband and wife in the series (they are husband and wife irl).
The bad:
Pretty much everything else unfortunately.
The ugly:
Dialog. The dialog in this show is bad and poorly paced. Mads Mikkhelsen is an exception; he is a talented performer and makes his lines compelling in spite of how awful they would otherwise be without him. Lawrence Fishburne is also a talented performer and has his moments in the show. Guest star Eddie Izzard is good too.
The protagonist, Will Graham. Terrible nonsense character. Why. Does. He. Talk. So. Slow? This character almost ruins the show for me. He (1) is a professor (2) is an FBI consultant/criminal profiler (3) an avid fly fisherman (4) has ~10 stray dogs, all different breeds (5) has severe mental health problems. Any one of those things is a full time job. Will Graham is trying to be 5 different characters, more if you count his "empathic abilities" (lazy writing), and the result is still somehow boring.
The show needed better medical and forensics consulting. There are people in this show who we are supposed to believe are doctors frequently using words like "sociopath," "psychopath," etc. Will Graham could have been an awesome character if instead of "empathic abilities" he was just highly dedicated to his field of study and spent all of his free time pursuing it instead of e.g. teaching classes or taking care of 10 stray dogs.
The good in this show is really good btw, but the ugly is really, really ugly. I wish the dialog had better pacing and less. talking. like. this. trying. to. be. dramatic. I wish Will Graham was written completely differently. No human being has time for 5 full time jobs much less someone suffering from autism/aspergers/whatever mental illness Will Graham is supposed to have.
On June 26 2015 07:18 batsnacks wrote: I watched some of this show and felt compelled to post a good/bad/ugly list:
The good:
Whatever chef(s) are consulting for this show, the decisions he/she/they are making, and all of the food scenes. This is the best and scariest part of the show. I read a blog somewhere that goes into detail about the decisions that were made with the food scenes and it was awesome.
Mads Mikkhelsen. Hannibal is the only consistently good and likeable character in the show imo. I don't think Mads's performance could have been better.
Wardrobes.
There is good cinematography in this show at points.
Casting Lawrence Fishburne and Gina Torres as husband and wife in the series (they are husband and wife irl).
The bad:
Pretty much everything else unfortunately.
The ugly:
Dialog. The dialog in this show is bad and poorly paced. Mads Mikkhelsen is an exception; he is a talented performer and makes his lines compelling in spite of how awful they would otherwise be without him. Lawrence Fishburne is also a talented performer and has his moments in the show. Guest star Eddie Izzard is good too.
The protagonist, Will Graham. Terrible nonsense character. Why. Does. He. Talk. So. Slow? This character almost ruins the show for me. He (1) is a professor (2) is an FBI consultant/criminal profiler (3) an avid fly fisherman (4) has ~10 stray dogs, all different breeds (5) has severe mental health problems. Any one of those things is a full time job. Will Graham is trying to be 5 different characters, more if you count his "empathic abilities" (lazy writing), and the result is still somehow boring.
The show needed better medical and forensics consulting. There are people in this show who we are supposed to believe are doctors frequently using words like "sociopath," "psychopath," etc. Will Graham could have been an awesome character if instead of "empathic abilities" he was just highly dedicated to his field of study and spent all of his free time pursuing it instead of e.g. teaching classes or taking care of 10 stray dogs.
The good in this show is really good btw, but the ugly is really, really ugly. I wish the dialog had better pacing and less. talking. like. this. trying. to. be. dramatic. I wish Will Graham was written completely differently. No human being has time for 5 full time jobs much less someone suffering from autism/aspergers/whatever mental illness Will Graham is supposed to have.
I would like to say that you should remember this is based on novels that have already been written and characters that already existed. The writers didn't choose who Will Graham is and create the world that he's in, They are simply portraying him and how they think he should be.
I disagree with your analysis of Will's abilities, however. Without his "gift" he wouldn't really be able to get into the mind of his killers, which is one of the most important aspects of the show. It's one of the main reasons that he's a suspect in the first season and it's why he feels such a deep connection to Hannibal and his murders.
I am not sure why you think Will Graham has too many aspects. It's not really uncommon for people who are world renowned in their field to also be working as consultants, and the dogs help show that he has a hard time relating to other people and prefers the company of his stray dogs. I don't think either of those are complete nonsense. The fishing is somewhat unnecessary, but it's used in a lot of dreamlike scenes for symbolism and is more of a recurring theme than an overarching plot line. The show could probably do without it, but it's not awful. Maybe it's a lot to juggle for a TV character, but I don't think the dogs and the fishing are meant to be really significant plot devices. They're just minor aspects of Will that help develop him and his personality.
I agree that some of the dialog is kind of belabored and a lot of the show (especially in the third season, if you're up to that) is self-indulgent. I don't think that the show has the most realistic characters or even tries to make them realistic, but I can understand that it would frustrate some people.
On June 26 2015 07:18 batsnacks wrote: I watched some of this show and felt compelled to post a good/bad/ugly list:
The good:
Whatever chef(s) are consulting for this show, the decisions he/she/they are making, and all of the food scenes. This is the best and scariest part of the show. I read a blog somewhere that goes into detail about the decisions that were made with the food scenes and it was awesome.
Mads Mikkhelsen. Hannibal is the only consistently good and likeable character in the show imo. I don't think Mads's performance could have been better.
Wardrobes.
There is good cinematography in this show at points.
Casting Lawrence Fishburne and Gina Torres as husband and wife in the series (they are husband and wife irl).
The bad:
Pretty much everything else unfortunately.
The ugly:
Dialog. The dialog in this show is bad and poorly paced. Mads Mikkhelsen is an exception; he is a talented performer and makes his lines compelling in spite of how awful they would otherwise be without him. Lawrence Fishburne is also a talented performer and has his moments in the show. Guest star Eddie Izzard is good too.
The protagonist, Will Graham. Terrible nonsense character. Why. Does. He. Talk. So. Slow? This character almost ruins the show for me. He (1) is a professor (2) is an FBI consultant/criminal profiler (3) an avid fly fisherman (4) has ~10 stray dogs, all different breeds (5) has severe mental health problems. Any one of those things is a full time job. Will Graham is trying to be 5 different characters, more if you count his "empathic abilities" (lazy writing), and the result is still somehow boring.
The show needed better medical and forensics consulting. There are people in this show who we are supposed to believe are doctors frequently using words like "sociopath," "psychopath," etc. Will Graham could have been an awesome character if instead of "empathic abilities" he was just highly dedicated to his field of study and spent all of his free time pursuing it instead of e.g. teaching classes or taking care of 10 stray dogs.
The good in this show is really good btw, but the ugly is really, really ugly. I wish the dialog had better pacing and less. talking. like. this. trying. to. be. dramatic. I wish Will Graham was written completely differently. No human being has time for 5 full time jobs much less someone suffering from autism/aspergers/whatever mental illness Will Graham is supposed to have.
I would like to say that you should remember this is based on novels that have already been written and characters that already existed. The writers didn't choose who Will Graham is and create the world that he's in, They are simply portraying him and how they think he should be.
I disagree with your analysis of Will's abilities, however. Without his "gift" he wouldn't really be able to get into the mind of his killers, which is one of the most important aspects of the show. It's one of the main reasons that he's a suspect in the first season and it's why he feels such a deep connection to Hannibal and his murders.
I am not sure why you think Will Graham has too many aspects. It's not really uncommon for people who are world renowned in their field to also be working as consultants, and the dogs help show that he has a hard time relating to other people and prefers the company of his stray dogs. I don't think either of those are complete nonsense. The fishing is somewhat unnecessary, but it's used in a lot of dreamlike scenes for symbolism and is more of a recurring theme than an overarching plot line. The show could probably do without it, but it's not awful. Maybe it's a lot to juggle for a TV character, but I don't think the dogs and the fishing are meant to be really significant plot devices. They're just minor aspects of Will that help develop him and his personality.
I agree that some of the dialog is kind of belabored and a lot of the show (especially in the third season, if you're up to that) is self-indulgent. I don't think that the show has the most realistic characters or even tries to make them realistic, but I can understand that it would frustrate some people.
The only Thomas Harris novel I've read is Silence of the Lambs so I didn't have any background on Will Graham before going into this show. His "gift" is my biggest problem with the character though, the hobbies are just slightly irritating and seem unnecessary. His gift seems like a really lazy narrative device to me. I can imagine a different version of Will Graham who is a scholar in his field and spends all of his free time immersing himself in medical/forsensic/criminal data; who can also (inadvertently) get too far into the minds of the killers. I think this would be a much more interesting approach to the character because instead of some vague "gift" that allows Will to instantly understand every crime he sees, we get to see logical explanations and motives. I think it's easy to believe that someone who studies crime constantly would have trouble not letting it get to them, especially if they are pushed like Will Graham is.
Actually, that was possibly not fair. The character Will Graham as is could be a good character. The dialog in this show is bad and doesn't allow for this though. As an example:
Situation 1 <no build-up to this scene> Will Graham is talking -very- slowly with long awkward pauses between his words. The audience wonders why he isn't talking normal. Yes he has issues but these issues do not explain why he is annunciating his words like an idiot. Also, he maintains the same slightly furrowed eyebrows facial expression 100% of the time. Why? The audience assumes it is because the actor Hugh Dancy is trying to be dramatic, since there is no logical plot related reason for Will Graham to be talking like an idiot in this way. Will Graham is a highly educated man; Hugh Dancy is an actor wrestling with a bad script. The way he speaks kills my suspension of disbelief.
Situation 2 <immediately prior to this scene Will Graham experienced something highly traumatic> Will Graham is talking -very- slowly with long awkward pauses between his words. This makes sense because prior to this scene Will Graham experienced something highly traumatic.
This show has a lot more of situation 1 than situation 2.
For shows like this, I like to watch the entire season at once, couple episodes per day, instead of waiting weekly for the next feast. Sorry to contribute to the low ratings. I actually forgot it was on. Just like I forgot NBA finals was on. (curse you, dota tournaments!)
Frankly I watch the show for the cinematography, art direction, and mind-fucks more than anything. The food photography especially, the frozen "Beverly slides" etc - sublime eye candy! The classical music too.
I don't see how a bad script has anything to do with slow speech delivery. I'm sure Hugh can read his lines 30% quicker, but for some reason he acts like he has to burn 8000 calories just to speak on this show. Is it the accent? Or perhaps it's the director's decision?
I always got the impression that Will Graham just chooses his words carefully. To use a metaphor, the way he talks reminds me of watching someone wade across a river; every step is chosen carefully and deliberately, while making slow, steady, progress. When he talks, he sort of picks his way across the conversation.
As for other points made, I've always treated the show as some sort of dark surrealist fantasy, so I gloss over a lot of things that wouldn't fit in well if I cared about realism.
Last year I watched the first season for the first time and it was an up & down of emotions. Some of the episodes were pretty great while others were just average but the overall quality was good enough to keep me interested. The second season was way better in my opionion. I liked almost every single episode - especially the last one - and could not wait for season three. After watching the first two episodes of the third season I got to admit that the show became almost unwatchable for me. I have no idea what they are talking about 80% of the time, the dialogues degenerated into random strings of words. Hannibal was always about a rich language and metaphors, yet this season it's way too much for my taste.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I feel like the dialogue volume is so low and slow, which forces me to turn up my volume, but the background volume is perfectly normal which makes my volume super loud, so I'm constantly adjusting the volume every episode. -.-
i can't believe what this show has begun... this is simply the biggest failure or this year (so far) will watch til the end anyway but i don't care if there's no season 4 in fact, i'd prefer that the show stops here
Dunno what everyone's complaining about. While I was a bit let down by the first episode, I feel like each episode after that has gotten better and better. Ep 7 is probably one of my favorite episodes of the whole series. Will be very, very disappointed if no one picks it up for a 4th season.
Must say, I like the red dragon arc until now. First few episode where little bit confusing at times, but right now its back at season 2 awesomeness. Sad to see it go after this season...
I've mixed feelings about this season, but it definitely entertains enough that I really don't want to see it cancelled. I'm loving the flashbacks to s2 though
I really liked this show, the bromance is beautiful. Just watched s3 finale, and I felt like a good ending of the show. One of the weirdest show I've seen, but in a good way.
Dunno why people give it low rating, but then again most people love Marvel's comicshows
On August 30 2015 07:59 crappen wrote: I really liked this show, the bromance is beautiful. Just watched s3 finale, and I felt like a good ending of the show. One of the weirdest show I've seen, but in a good way.
Dunno why people give it low rating, but then again most people love Marvel's comicshows
It's not that... I would have thought I'd like a show like this, but the unrealism is what was killing me. I like starting with an improbable situation, having a series of unlikely events follow which lead us to explore events that usually in our society we wouldn't get to. However the governing dynamics of how they work need to be similar to ours.
To me, Hannibal felt like a show that tried to be deep and confusing to look sophisticated, yet in the end, it felt like a story that ended up spitting out interesting shit as it went a long. I hate when a story has so little foreshadowing that you couldn't even predict a single thing in the future episode. They reach these absurd conclusions out of nothing, and as such, they can make conclusions about anything to make their story go in whatever direction.
Add to that extremely unrealistic news reporting, police that doesn't even make sense, keeping around Will when he's clearly unstable, and simply having like 4 people calling all the shots about such big things. And then you get a stupid character like the Red Dragon who clearly is not educated, and just manages to do everything miraculously, and of course, there's no form of tracking or lead on him - very unrealistic.
I dunno, I would have preferred the story be more believable, which in the first season it felt more so.
The last two episodes were two of the most brutal hours of this whole series. Last season started off slow, but boy did that back end pick up. Everything with Chilton was great, and Richard Armitage was downright scary as Francis Dolarhyde. Brilliant performance.
Also lol asking for realism in a show about Hannibal Lecter.
On August 30 2015 07:59 crappen wrote: I really liked this show, the bromance is beautiful. Just watched s3 finale, and I felt like a good ending of the show. One of the weirdest show I've seen, but in a good way.
Dunno why people give it low rating, but then again most people love Marvel's comicshows
It's not that... I would have thought I'd like a show like this, but the unrealism is what was killing me. I like starting with an improbable situation, having a series of unlikely events follow which lead us to explore events that usually in our society we wouldn't get to. However the governing dynamics of how they work need to be similar to ours.
To me, Hannibal felt like a show that tried to be deep and confusing to look sophisticated, yet in the end, it felt like a story that ended up spitting out interesting shit as it went a long. I hate when a story has so little foreshadowing that you couldn't even predict a single thing in the future episode. They reach these absurd conclusions out of nothing, and as such, they can make conclusions about anything to make their story go in whatever direction.
Add to that extremely unrealistic news reporting, police that doesn't even make sense, keeping around Will when he's clearly unstable, and simply having like 4 people calling all the shots about such big things. And then you get a stupid character like the Red Dragon who clearly is not educated, and just manages to do everything miraculously, and of course, there's no form of tracking or lead on him - very unrealistic.
I dunno, I would have preferred the story be more believable, which in the first season it felt more so.
I simply appreciated it being absurd and a little over my head. And the Red Dragon has two sides, one the uneducated, and the other, the dragon who can do these amazing things. Not saying it's perfect, but for me, it was a pretty damn good show, and it ended really well. I actually don't want it to drag out longer, ok maybe a season more but that's it.
For me all this was easy to swallow and just follow all these bizarre directions
On September 16 2015 02:58 Assault_1 wrote: Just finished season 3, what a weird show. and the woman decides to eat her own leg at the end? okay..
I think it is meant to imply that Hannibal is still alive. There are empty seats with dishes at the table with her =)
ya makes sense, I'm not very good at picking up on these things. What about where Will and Hannibal jump off the cliff, that was another part that made me go "uhh.. okay, why?"
On September 16 2015 02:58 Assault_1 wrote: Just finished season 3, what a weird show. and the woman decides to eat her own leg at the end? okay..
I think it is meant to imply that Hannibal is still alive. There are empty seats with dishes at the table with her =)
ya makes sense, I'm not very good at picking up on these things. What about where Will and Hannibal jump off the cliff, that was another part that made me go "uhh.. okay, why?"
Will realized that he actually enjoys what Hannibal has tried to turn him into, but he also knows that he can't run around with Hannibal killing people, so he decided to kill them both.