EPTWhat Are You Reading 2013 - Page 120
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On September 05 2013 13:37 sam!zdat wrote: if I buy you a copy of david harvey's book, will you read it? Absolutely. I can't remember having turned down a free book before. | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
 Some books these days are so bloody expensive. There is a reason why Academia.edu is so appealing :/ | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
if you wanna talk about memes I know all about the memes, that doesn't have anything to do with the supposed 'death of ideology' which is something that only a person who did not understand what ideology was could believe in. edit: I'm getting too drunk to continue this conversation. Somebody wanna talk about a book they are reading or smth? I'm going to go away. Good night everyone don't let the imf structurally adjust you while I'm gone | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On September 05 2013 14:12 sam!zdat wrote: is this some joke about the 'end of ideology' or smth? I had such high hopes for you and then you decided to become a fukuyaman. if you wanna talk about memes I know all about the memes, that doesn't have anything to do with the supposed 'death of ideology' which is something that only a person who did not understand what ideology was could believe in. edit: I'm getting too drunk to continue this conversation. Somebody wanna talk about a book they are reading or smth? I'm going to go away. Good night everyone don't let the imf structurally adjust you while I'm gone wait, what is your opinion on hemingway? | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
I largely associated the idea of ideology and the rise of a semi-functioning liberal democracy with the rising strength of a middle class as seen in Chile in South Korea when they ousted their military juntas. However, you look at China and Singapore and you see that perhaps the middle class is not so concerned about democracy, it seems like the middle class is more concerned about the protection of property making John Locke right in the end. And with the supposed death of ideology, I believe that it is important to try to somehow promote the use of ideology through the disciplines of Habermasian communication and discourse and using hermeneutics to better understand truth and democratic participation rather than a technocracy or bureaucracy. Oh, Sam is drunk, no wonder he seemed to be so mean to us | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
the middle class has always cared about property not democracy. When you give the people democracy they vote for socialism obviously, what the fuck else would poor people vote for???? Capitalism??? Get real. Jesus christ. the american founders were terrified of democracy. It's not a secret they say so explicitly. Why do you think that was?? go tell salvador allende that america promotes democracy abroad. Oh wait, you cant , because he died in a US sponsored military coup. Doh! | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
I think I'm going to read Copleston's History of Philosophy while I'm visiting my father. That is to say that I'll do my best to make a dent in it. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On September 05 2013 14:38 sam!zdat wrote: ideology is not a thing you believe and know you believe, ideology is a thing you believe that you don't know you believe. There is no such thing as a non-ideological bureaucracy what a ridiculous idea. GAAA. the middle class has always cared about property not democracy. When you give the people democracy they vote for socialism obviously, what the fuck else would poor people vote for???? Capitalism??? Get real. Jesus christ. the american founders were terrified of democracy. It's not a secret they say so explicitly. Why do you think that was?? go tell salvador allende that america promotes democracy abroad. Oh wait, you cant , because he died in a US sponsored military coup. Doh! Don't you know that there are two ideologies in the world? Capitalism and Communism. And the 20th century has proven beyond a doubt that Capitalism is better. Now if Obama would just stop ruining this country we could all get back to some prosperity. | ||
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packrat386
United States5077 Posts
On September 05 2013 15:43 IgnE wrote: Don't you know that there are two ideologies in the world? Capitalism and Communism. And the 20th century has proven beyond a doubt that Capitalism is better. Now if Obama would just stop ruining this country we could all get back to some prosperity. Dude, I can't tell if you're trolling, but if not prepare for a shitstorm when sam gets back. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On September 05 2013 15:43 IgnE wrote: Don't you know that there are two ideologies in the world? Capitalism and Communism. And the 20th century has proven beyond a doubt that Capitalism is better. Now if Obama would just stop ruining this country we could all get back to some prosperity. Oh God, we needed a straw Republican/Libertarian right now. On September 05 2013 15:56 IgnE wrote: Who's this David Harvey character? And what's his book? Most people know Harvey through his RSA video called "The Crisis of Capitalism." He is most well known for his geography. On September 05 2013 15:44 packrat386 wrote: Dude, I can't tell if you're trolling, but if not prepare for a shitstorm when sam gets back. On a lighter note, I can feel that I can use this opportunity to escape Sam's wrath :D I suddenly feel much safer. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On September 05 2013 15:43 IgnE wrote: Don't you know that there are two ideologies in the world? Capitalism and Communism. And the 20th century has proven beyond a doubt that Capitalism is better. Now if Obama would just stop ruining this country we could all get back to some prosperity. How is that proven? | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
I started thinking, the characters in a lot of books are always so good at explaining and in "allegory"(?)in dialogues. To the point where it actually starts picking on me. | ||
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123Gurke
France154 Posts
 Finished: ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51he4bGB4jL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_SX385_SY500_CR,0,0,385,500_SH20_OU03_.jpg){kind=icon} Good book. Some of the philosophic parts were a little lengthy and the ending is quite unsatisfying, but Sherlock Holmes as a monk is fun. Read it nearly completely during several train rides, so I have probably missed most of the more subtle aspects. I am undecided about what to read next: I still have some sort stories by David Foster Wallace here. Also my mother told me to read the Virgin Suicides. I might also read some of the several thousand pages by the Strugatzki brothers that are still left. Finally, I might want to try Heart of Darkness because of the discussions you have had here. So any advice on where to start? | ||
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