What was the significance of the Morgul blade that Gandalf showed Saruman and Gladdie? It confused me when he put it on the table. I am not sure I understand PJs decision there.
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HowardRoark
1146 Posts
What was the significance of the Morgul blade that Gandalf showed Saruman and Gladdie? It confused me when he put it on the table. I am not sure I understand PJs decision there. | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Poll: How was The Hobbit? Entertaining (51) Expected more (8) On par with LOTR trilogy (7) Horrible (3) Nice but not close enough to the books (2) 71 total votes Your vote: How was The Hobbit? (Vote): Expected more | ||
OKMarius
Norway469 Posts
On December 14 2012 02:14 HowardRoark wrote: Would the movie been better if they removed Radagast and had Gandalf travel to Mirkwood? What was the significance of the Morgul blade that Gandalf showed Saruman and Gladdie? It confused me when he put it on the table. I am not sure I understand PJs decision there. They thought Sauron/ringwraiths were gone (in the movie universe anyway), I guess the appearance of a Morgul blade could indicate that they're not, which Gandalf and Galadriel seems to believe. (In the books, they all knew that Sauron would come back one day). On December 14 2012 01:59 Taru wrote: I didn't really liked how Peter Jackson didn't mention any of the elves/dwarves wars, and presented the origin of the animosity between elves and dwarves just simply as a moment where elves didn't helped the dwarves and dwarves weren't happy about it. I don't think they can mention them if it isn't already mentioned in the Hobbit or the Lotr books. The few battles that happened between dwarves and elves all happened in Silmarillion, which they don't have the rights to use sadly. | ||
corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On December 14 2012 02:41 Steveling wrote: Let's see what the crowd thinks. Poll: How was The Hobbit? Entertaining (51) Expected more (8) On par with LOTR trilogy (7) Horrible (3) Nice but not close enough to the books (2) 71 total votes Your vote: How was The Hobbit? (Vote): Expected more On par with the LoTR trilogy doesn't mean much. | ||
tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
I'll list what I thought were the pluses and minuses: + Show Spoiler + Pluses 1. The casting was pretty good again. Martin Freeman is pretty spot-on for me as bilbo, the dwarves all seemed fine, but I have to say Thorin doesn't really seem that charismatic to me. I'm not sure if it's the actor or the way they've done the character. Perhaps I'll warm more to him later. Someone was saying Bilbo acts too surprised by everything but this kind of to be expected in the situation he's thrown into- he is pretty much a comic character in the early stages of the book as well and his transition to hero is slow but that's what makes it satisfying. 2. The riddle-game scene was pretty perfectly done IMO. Andy Serkis just does Gollum with the right mix of comedy and menace, and they didn't try to mess with the scene too much which was great- pretty much exactly how I would have imagined it. Also for me the troll scene was pretty good, I haven't read the book for a while, so I can't remember the exact details of it but it seemed to capture the main thrust of it reasonably well. 3. The songs were handled well. I honestly was squirming when they started the first song because even in the books they can seem pretty corny, and I was hoping they would leave them out of the movie, but the way they were done, in the end seemed quite naturalistic and didn't seem too out of place at all. The deep-voiced dwarf song around the fireplace actually gave me chills and you could see how it could work on Bilbo's imagination and inspire him. 4. Costumes and sets were great. I think a lot of us take this stuff for granted but for me the wargs, orcs and trolls and the clothing of the hobbits, dwarves and elves were all spot-on to how they should be (much like in LOTR). 5. Like in LOTR, music was good too. Minuses 1. OK I have to echo Nyvone- WTF was up with Radagast. I actually didn't mind the idea at first that they were going to bulk it up to 3 movies if they could include some interesting stuff from the Silmarillion. But that Radagast stuff was just silly filler. If they didn't have enough good material or three movies they should have just kept it at two! 2. Some of the action scenes were just too over-the-top and 'car-chasey' for me. It felt like Tintin (don't get me started on how horrible that was) all over again when Radagast was racing through the forest on his rabbit-sleigh. Why does this kind of thing have to be in every movie these days? I think though you can't necessarily blame Peter Jackson for this- I wouldn't be surprised if he's under pressure from the studio to 'Hollywoodize' the movies up more. 3. I didn't really like the way the movie started with back-story. To me part of the charm of the Hobbit book is that when Gandalf and the dwarves first turn up at Bag End the reader knows as little as Bilbo about what is going on. Showing where the dwarves came from basically spoiled the surprise of why they were there. 4. The whole intro with Frodo was dumb and unnecessary. The viewer familiar with LOTR can figure out who Bilbo is without such sign-posting and for those who aren't it's meaningless. It kind of feels insulting when movies do this. 5. The movie never really made clear the path they were traveling. Maybe it's a bit of a tired trope but I would have liked a map to show their progress across the landscape or at least some better explanation. The fact that they had to cross the Misty Mountain range to me always seemed a big thing in the book but in the movie it was not really even mentioned- they just kind of turned up there, and there was no mention of when they left the boundary of the Shire. In a book where the whole process of journey is such a big thing you need to give people more of a sense of the geography. Overall for me, LOTR was about as good as you can hope for a mainstream movie adaptation whereas the Hobbit, although still good enough by modern movie standards could have easily been done better with by getting rid of some extraneous stuff. | ||
ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
Those saying that it doesn't match the book...really? It's a children's book, and for that, it is a very well done adaption (they should've gotten rid of Radagast or don't overdo him that much, but else...) - it is in a lighter mood than LotR, as it should be. Martin Freeman as Bilbo is a perfect fit imo. | ||
monx
Canada1400 Posts
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Warlock40
601 Posts
On December 14 2012 04:44 monx wrote: so for people who watched it...is better in 3D or 2D? And what kind of 3D, HFR (48fps) or otherwise? | ||
askmc70
United States722 Posts
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shepherdxoxo
Netherlands260 Posts
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
On July 31 2012 05:59 epoc wrote: How can this be 3 films when the entire lotr trilogy is like at least 3 times longer? I wondered, too :x | ||
Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
Isn't that like every single movie ever, that has been based on the book, one could argue Fight Club was better than the book though but that's another arguement. If you are going to see the movie, figure out which category you belong in and go in with expectations accordingly. | ||
corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On December 14 2012 07:01 Zooper31 wrote: So basically if you read the books and were expecting things to go as you imagined them to happen, you were disappointed. If you haven't read the books and didn't know the story, the movie was amazing. Isn't that like every single movie ever, that has been based on the book, one could argue Fight Club was better than the book though but that's another arguement. No ? And Fight Club is a terrible example out of imdb and r/movies. | ||
monx
Canada1400 Posts
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Undrass
Norway381 Posts
Mostly becouse the books are very different. LotR is longer mostly because Tolkien could spend 20 pages describing the colour of a leaf of a certain tree (tolkien liked trees), or the exacly how high and white the walls of minas tirith really is. Like, one of those descriptions that leaves nothing to your imagination. He didn't write like that for the hobbit, so while it is shorter, there is certainly a lot going on. | ||
HowardRoark
1146 Posts
What was up with Gandalf slicing the belly of the Goblinking? I don't know what I think of that scene, just that something felt strange. I almost expected something along the lines of when Indy Jones shoot that sword-guy instead of having a sword fight, but instead he punch him and slice his belly. Did you like that scene? | ||
Fatta
Germany148 Posts
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Carras
Argentina860 Posts
i really liked Radagast, but he s seens werent that great..that chase was too hollywood-like | ||
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Falling
Canada11315 Posts
My brother is off to see it, but I need to prep and get a full night's sleep for tomorrow ![]() | ||
Irave
United States9965 Posts
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