EPT[TV] The Legend of Korra - Page 151
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Mvrio
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On July 15 2012 10:05 Mvrio wrote: Nice to know that Nick knows they have something good on their hands. TLA had how many episodes? Around 60 I think. | ||
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Imerej
Canada291 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On July 15 2012 10:43 Imerej wrote: So I just finished the series as a big fan of the original. Didn't like it that much. It's a decent show but not as good as the last one. Maybe it will improve in the coming seasons just as the original did. My main gripes were that, bending really didn't feel like it had much substance in this show, it felt a lot more like a gimmick, the story was bland and simple, the writing wasn't very good, and the characters were boring and uninteresting. The only characters I liked were the old ones from TLA, and Amon before episode 11. I'm probably going to keep watching, but only because I like the universe and would love to see more of the old characters. This is basically it. I saw the previews for this next season. I'm not really excited by what they're talking about, so my prediction for watching the show while my brain is switched off is probably going to sail through like usual. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On July 15 2012 11:29 Zergneedsfood wrote: This is basically it. I saw the previews for this next season. I'm not really excited by what they're talking about, so my prediction for watching the show while my brain is switched off is probably going to sail through like usual. Dude what are you talking about that was awesome. + Show Spoiler + Asami driving them around in a vintage sexy ass automobile wearing a tazer glove while Bolin earthbends from the back - including making a ramp for them to KAMIKAZE THEIR CAR INTO A GIANT ROBOT!???!?!?! And that scene with the + Show Spoiler + ex-police chief/Tenzin lover (what was her name) METALBENDING OFF HUGE CHUNKS OF GIANT METAL ZEPPELIN SKIN RENDING THEM APART AND BLOWING THEM THE FUCK UP WHILST STANDING ON TOP OF THEM!?!?!?!?!? This is a kids show? Are you kidding me? I mean don't get me wrong, TLA was brilliantly amazing too - but personally, I can't wait to see Kora back to kick some major ass in Seas 2. Man this show is so good. Edit: + Show Spoiler + AND THE FART-BENDING SON OF TENZIN!?!!?!?! How could I forget! That was amazing. | ||
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Funguuuuu
United States198 Posts
On July 15 2012 12:01 Arghmyliver wrote: Dude what are you talking about that was awesome. + Show Spoiler + Asami driving them around in a vintage sexy ass automobile wearing a tazer glove while Bolin earthbends from the back - including making a ramp for them to KAMIKAZE THEIR CAR INTO A GIANT ROBOT!???!?!?! And that scene with the + Show Spoiler + ex-police chief/Tenzin lover (what was her name) METALBENDING OFF HUGE CHUNKS OF GIANT METAL ZEPPELIN SKIN RENDING THEM APART AND BLOWING THEM THE FUCK UP WHILST STANDING ON TOP OF THEM!?!?!?!?!? This is a kids show? Are you kidding me? I mean don't get me wrong, TLA was brilliantly amazing too - but personally, I can't wait to see Kora back to kick some major ass in Seas 2. Man this show is so good. Edit: + Show Spoiler + AND THE FART-BENDING SON OF TENZIN!?!!?!?! How could I forget! That was amazing. No, Meelo is a shitty character, and the only character I despise. Anyway, the reason I really like the show isn't the fights per say, or even the characters, but rather the top tier animation and perfect music. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On July 15 2012 10:43 Imerej wrote: So I just finished the series as a big fan of the original. Didn't like it that much. It's a decent show but not as good as the last one. Maybe it will improve in the coming seasons just as the original did. My main gripes were that, bending really didn't feel like it had much substance in this show, it felt a lot more like a gimmick, the story was bland and simple, the writing wasn't very good, and the characters were boring and uninteresting. The only characters I liked were the old ones from TLA, and Amon before episode 11. I'm probably going to keep watching, but only because I like the universe and would love to see more of the old characters. Old ones from TLA...three minutes of Katara, Aang with a new voice and a beard, three LINES of Toph, and a short Sokka speech? | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On July 15 2012 12:01 Arghmyliver wrote: Dude what are you talking about that was awesome. + Show Spoiler + Asami driving them around in a vintage sexy ass automobile wearing a tazer glove while Bolin earthbends from the back - including making a ramp for them to KAMIKAZE THEIR CAR INTO A GIANT ROBOT!???!?!?! And that scene with the + Show Spoiler + ex-police chief/Tenzin lover (what was her name) METALBENDING OFF HUGE CHUNKS OF GIANT METAL ZEPPELIN SKIN RENDING THEM APART AND BLOWING THEM THE FUCK UP WHILST STANDING ON TOP OF THEM!?!?!?!?!? This is a kids show? Are you kidding me? I mean don't get me wrong, TLA was brilliantly amazing too - but personally, I can't wait to see Kora back to kick some major ass in Seas 2. Man this show is so good. Edit: + Show Spoiler + AND THE FART-BENDING SON OF TENZIN!?!!?!?! How could I forget! That was amazing. Uhhh, these are just examples of where all I need to do is turn off my brain to watch. There's no need to think too deeply about Korra because the plot and conflicts are too contrived for there to be any real meaningful discussion because things like character development are undercut and certain people are just too boring to actually talk about. Not to mention those scenes had obvious problems. So, what? Asami and the whole gang know that Tenzin is somehow in trouble. Did they read the script? Also, the scene after that, Mako leaves his girlfriend alone to fight five/six Equalists in order to help fight Mecha tanks, in which case he does absolutely nothing by flinging fire like a retard. The scene with Lin was good, but it basically foreshadowed the terri-bad ending where Korra gives back everyone's bending, she gets her bending back for no good reason, Amon ends up being an awful villain, and Korra doesn't learn anything from the experience. In other words, Korra isn't even an arc. It's a set of episodes where a girl does stuff and ends up winning without a single sacrifice to be had. Let's also not forget that in this next season, Korra's going to be abusing the Avatar State after its handed to her on a silver platter. Talk about a season where absolutely nothing happens. Korra gets a power up, but doesn't change, mature, grow, learn, or anything. Patience? Nah, I'm going to speed up my airbending training by abusing a legendary spiritual energy that can only be mastered by not having primitive instincts about winning. You see? Already, I'm thinking too hard about Korra and its getting me frustrated by how bad it was. Therefore, the only reasonable way to watch Korra is to just shut off your brain, because you can't like it otherwise. Also, Fartbending. Trained Equalists lose to little kids. That wasn't very entertaining. On July 15 2012 12:21 Praetorial wrote: Old ones from TLA...three minutes of Katara, Aang with a new voice and a beard, three LINES of Toph, and a short Sokka speech? I think he means the people related to the oldies. Like Lin and Tenzin. Why would you care about Bolin, the guy who only gets fed comic relief lines and never gets any development? Why would you care about Mako, the useless dumb dude who never does anything useful? Or why would you care about Korra, the girl who cries when she doesn't have her bending because that's her only symbol or identify? The only person that you could reasonably care about Asami, but her situation is so bizarre it almost feels like forced teenage melodrama, not to mention that her relationship with Mako brings into question her intellect as far interest in appropriate men and human beings in general. Let's also not forget that Amon is a bad character that I ended up not caring about only because his arc got screwed by an obvious revelation and a terrible backstory that was last minute and poorly constructed (not to mention cliche as hell). Let's also not forget that Mako is apparently the only person that he respects. That's pretty lame. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Therefore, the only reasonable way to watch Korra is to just shut off your brain, because you can't like it otherwise. To be honest, if you overthink anything too much, you won't enjoy it. Ever since I gave up on thinking about stuff, I've enjoyed anime/manga/cartoons MUCH MUCH more. That's how kids do it right? Watch things as if you were a kid. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On July 15 2012 12:32 Zephirdd wrote: To be honest, if you overthink anything too much, you won't enjoy it. Ever since I gave up on thinking about stuff, I've enjoyed anime/manga/cartoons MUCH MUCH more. That's how kids do it right? Watch things as if you were a kid. Untrue. During the airing of Madoka, rampant speculation was high and made every episode enjoyable because people overanalyzed everything. Shows where the universe is complex and has made a large franchise are great to watch as well for the sake of deeply understanding the complexities of the universe. Supernatural/philosophical anime are great to just watch and think about. I'm actually a big participant in the ATLA fandom, which is partially why I'm more invested in the series than others and probably understand this series better than others, and the reason why ATLA was enjoyable is because we overanalyzed everything in the original. Every attempt to overanalyze Korra has resulted in epic failures because we realize that there really isn't anything of substance to analyze. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with liking Korra by watching it with your mind blank. That's how I managed to get through it (and even then it wasn't that enjoyable of an experience), but I don't get why people thought it was an appropriate sequel to the original. In most ways it absolutely wasn't. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On July 15 2012 12:35 Zergneedsfood wrote: Untrue. During the airing of Madoka, rampant speculation was high and made every episode enjoyable because people overanalyzed everything. Shows where the universe is complex and has made a large franchise are great to watch as well for the sake of deeply understanding the complexities of the universe. Supernatural/philosophical anime are great to just watch and think about. I'm actually a big participant in the ATLA fandom, which is partially why I'm more invested in the series than others and probably understand this series better than others, and the reason why ATLA was enjoyable is because we overanalyzed everything in the original. Every attempt to overanalyze Korra has resulted in epic failures because we realize that there really isn't anything of substance to analyze. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with liking Korra by watching it with your mind blank. That's how I managed to get through it (and even then it wasn't that enjoyable of an experience), but I don't get why people thought it was an appropriate sequel to the original. In most ways it absolutely wasn't. I agree with alot of your points, I enjoy the show but it's mostly because I just want to see where they take it. Simple characters + super fast pacing just didn't do it for me. And the characters that actually had some interesting elements, like tarlok and amon killed themselves lol, as far as we know anyway. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Also, they kinda botched Amon's finale. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
She gets her bending back because shes the motherfucking Avatar! She kicks ass. She's got the entire history of Avatars to back her up. Amon's got nothing on that man. I would agree that sometimes the fire bending in particular seems ineffectual - but to be fair he was giving Asami a much easier fight, and mecha-tanks would seem fire resistant by their nature. I think the show has TONS of potential. It's the first season - of course you aren't satisfied with how it ends, cause it's not the end its only the beginning :D! I think you have to remember that it IS a kids show. So some of the story will certainly seem childish. I did think the Amon backstory was a little soap opera-ish. But so was the way the characters in TLA were bawling their eyes out for five minutes at a time every episode over the slightest things. Enough with the extended crying shots yo! | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
I doubt they have Korra abusing the avatar state for cheap laughs for the rest of the show. I think Korra is meant to be a dynamic character (as with most protagonists). Except she's not. There was no arc to season 1 because Korra literally stayed the same. She hasn't learned anything but how to master the Avatar State and apparently the only thing she's used it for is abuse it in a trivial game. The fact that the next season is about spirits probably tells a lot about how abuse Korra's use of the Avatar State is. She gets her bending back because shes the motherfucking Avatar! She kicks ass. She's got the entire history of Avatars to back her up. Amon's got nothing on that man. Right, this was another brainless moment. She gets her bending back because the plot has armor and requires it. It's also deus ex machina and comes out of nowhere. Also, it basically confirms Korra for being a static character who is only defined by her bending because apparently she loses all of her other characteristics the minute her bending is gone. It finally confirms that Korra doesn't learn anything because she literally gets everything she wants and solves every problem without a single negative lingering consequence. I would agree that sometimes the fire bending in particular seems ineffectual - but to be fair he was giving Asami a much easier fight, and mecha-tanks would seem fire resistant by their nature. So....Mako decided to go fight fire resistant tanks and leave Asami alone? This is just a small point, but even so it shows how dumb Mako is and how little he actually cares about Asami. You can't really say it was meant to be this way, but you might as well since people always tell the haters that all of the positives in the show are based off of "inferences". I think the show has TONS of potential. It's the first season - of course you aren't satisfied with how it ends, cause it's not the end its only the beginning :D! It did, and it didn't satisfy because in the 13 episodes of the "beginning", there were maybe two episodes that were enjoyable. Most people drop shows/anime by 3 episodes. Korra should be happy I'm still watching it. I think you have to remember that it IS a kids show. So some of the story will certainly seem childish. Difference between "kid's show" and "show that tries to be mature and fails at it". Let's not forget that ATLA was a "kid's show" but has sustained more fanfiction and community involvement than any other community I know of as far as television shows and anime go. It's a lot more vibrant even after a few years of inactivity from the creators. There's a reason for that: it's because the world is complicated and intelligent. I did think the Amon backstory was a little soap opera-ish. But so was the way the characters in TLA were bawling their eyes out for five minutes at a time every episode over the slightest things. Enough with the extended crying shots yo! When was this? I don't think this happened, but okay. | ||
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Funguuuuu
United States198 Posts
On July 15 2012 12:35 Zergneedsfood wrote: Untrue. During the airing of Madoka, rampant speculation was high and made every episode enjoyable because people overanalyzed everything. Shows where the universe is complex and has made a large franchise are great to watch as well for the sake of deeply understanding the complexities of the universe. Supernatural/philosophical anime are great to just watch and think about. I'm actually a big participant in the ATLA fandom, which is partially why I'm more invested in the series than others and probably understand this series better than others, and the reason why ATLA was enjoyable is because we overanalyzed everything in the original. Every attempt to overanalyze Korra has resulted in epic failures because we realize that there really isn't anything of substance to analyze. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with liking Korra by watching it with your mind blank. That's how I managed to get through it (and even then it wasn't that enjoyable of an experience), but I don't get why people thought it was an appropriate sequel to the original. In most ways it absolutely wasn't. I liked the ending of Korra, as bad as it was, much more then what happened in ATLA, which really sullied the enjoyment of the original series for me. The whole third season was built around weather Aang would kill Ozai, but then, at the last moment the creators went "LOL you don't have to make a decision, here is a magic turtle who appears out of nowhere and gives you the completely new power to get rid of bending, now have fun." I know that the lion turtle was shown in the episodes "The Library" as well as "Sokka's Master" ( and also in the unaired Pilot), but energybending came out of nowhere and was (to me at least) a cop out. Furthermore, everyone seems to think its a bad thing that the conflict with the Equalists was left unresolved at the end of the season, but no one seems to mention that the real-world conflict it was based on ( the Red Scare) also just ended on its own, given time. More parallels between these two movements can be seen in the fact that the resposes were much harsher then the actions being taken, with both the real-world McCarthiesm and the actions taken by councilmen tarrlock (although it should be noted that McCarthiesm came during the 2nd Red scare, not during the 20's) Edit: oops quoted wrong person | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
Mako went to help fight the fire-resistant tanks because Tanks>Dudes and so you obviously put more dudes on the tanks than the other dudes. Even if he's not super-effective against them - he could assist by like protecting the rest of the team while they obliterate the Mecha-Tanks or blinding the Mecha-Tank drivers with flame rays. Also Asami has a tazer glove AND shes a main character so she already has a huge advantage over even 6 goons. While I might wish to stay and assist her - I would also realize that the Mecha-Tanks will require a lot more firepower in general so I would go see what I could do to help. I guess it's all a matter of opinion because I enjoyed every episode. Maybe the show is not for you. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On July 15 2012 12:57 Zergneedsfood wrote: Except she's not. There was no arc to season 1 because Korra literally stayed the same. She hasn't learned anything but how to master the Avatar State and apparently the only thing she's used it for is abuse it in a trivial game. The fact that the next season is about spirits probably tells a lot about how abuse Korra's use of the Avatar State is. Right, this was another brainless moment. She gets her bending back because the plot has armor and requires it. It's also deus ex machina and comes out of nowhere. Also, it basically confirms Korra for being a static character who is only defined by her bending because apparently she loses all of her other characteristics the minute her bending is gone. It finally confirms that Korra doesn't learn anything because she literally gets everything she wants and solves every problem without a single negative lingering consequence. So....Mako decided to go fight fire resistant tanks and leave Asami alone? This is just a small point, but even so it shows how dumb Mako is and how little he actually cares about Asami. You can't really say it was meant to be this way, but you might as well since people always tell the haters that all of the positives in the show are based off of "inferences". It did, and it didn't satisfy because in the 13 episodes of the "beginning", there were maybe two episodes that were enjoyable. Most people drop shows/anime by 3 episodes. Korra should be happy I'm still watching it. Difference between "kid's show" and "show that tries to be mature and fails at it". Let's not forget that ATLA was a "kid's show" but has sustained more fanfiction and community involvement than any other community I know of as far as television shows and anime go. It's a lot more vibrant even after a few years of inactivity from the creators. There's a reason for that: it's because the world is complicated and intelligent. When was this? I don't think this happened, but okay. "Deus ex machina" literally means a divine intervention that makes everything good. The avatar state is literally the power of the world condensing into a single individual. divine intervention? Check. The Avatar can warp reality. Make everything good? Check. Point being, when one of the most important plot devices is a deus ex machina, it ceases to have the english meaning and just becomes the Latin. | ||
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
On July 15 2012 13:21 Praetorial wrote: "Deus ex machina" literally means a divine intervention that makes everything good. The avatar state is literally the power of the world condensing into a single individual. divine intervention? Check. The Avatar can warp reality. Make everything good? Check. Point being, when one of the most important plot devices is a deus ex machina, it ceases to have the english meaning and just becomes the Latin. Agreed - deus ex is not a fault, just a literary device. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 15 2012 13:21 Praetorial wrote: "Deus ex machina" literally means a divine intervention that makes everything good. The avatar state is literally the power of the world condensing into a single individual. divine intervention? Check. The Avatar can warp reality. Make everything good? Check. Point being, when one of the most important plot devices is a deus ex machina, it ceases to have the english meaning and just becomes the Latin. That is not what Deus Ex Machina is. | ||
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Dimagus
United States1004 Posts
It's a setting appropriate Deus ex Machina by the tv tropes categorizations. In the interest of not spending 20 pages debating what is or isn't DEMs here's something that will waste your Sunday (click at your own risk): http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeusExMachina Ironically, further down that page has Avatar The Last Airbender series finale had a two for one special. Aang is Aangsting about what to do about Ozai so he consults his past incarnations. The majority vote goes to "Kill the bastard" but Aang, being an Actual Pacifist on account of Airbender teachings, holds out(despite that his Airbending predecessor advising him that he should Shoot the Dog). Then it turns out he was on the back of a lion-turtle all along, and it teaches Aang Energybending to stop Ozai without killing him. | ||
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