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Adron
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands839 Posts
June 25 2012 23:40 GMT
#2841
Guys, please dont forget there will be a second series of the legend of korra. Character growth can still (and will, im sure) happen. Explanations can also be given (and korra can dump mako and hook up with bolin, or a korra-asami-bolin triangle will do fine as well)
Sitinte
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 00:18:40
June 26 2012 00:08 GMT
#2842
On June 26 2012 08:40 Adron wrote:
Guys, please dont forget there will be a second series of the legend of korra. Character growth can still (and will, im sure) happen. Explanations can also be given (and korra can dump mako and hook up with bolin, or a korra-asami-bolin triangle will do fine as well)



Last part had me lol; Borra's gone the way of Zutara. Hopefully they got so much of shipping done in S1 that it'll pave way for other good stuff, like the character development you were talking about.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 03:34:29
June 26 2012 03:03 GMT
#2843
So, having thought it over, my problem isn't so much with the finale as with the entire series focus. TLK didn't tell me a story, or at any rate it didn't tell a very good one. It wasn't so much the legend of Korra but more "check out all this cool stuff that revolves around Korra". I felt like they wanted, first and foremost, to explore a futuristic bending world and make some cool, toned down and well stylized fight scenes; the story always came second to the visuals. So watching it was incredibly frustrating.

They would set up these very interesting conflicts: bender vs. nonbenders, Tarlock vs. the rest of council, Korra vs. her spirituality, Asami vs. her father, Tarlock vs. Tenzin, bending vs. technology (plus the big mystery around Amon) but then they'd put them down and go back to explosions and romance junk (and at the end dash there heads against a wall). All these things drew me in not just out of curiosity, but because they were thought provoking, and every single damn time they took the easiest and least interesting way out.

It was kind of like watching a clown blow up a narrow balloon, ask you what animal you wanted to see it molded into, then pop it and clap at the loud noise. I'm almost entirely convinced they started this miniseries with a concept but not a story arc, it felt like they were making it up episode to episode so, in retrospect, its no surprise they ran everything into a wall at the end. Its not that it was a children's show, I'm not asking for darkness I'm asking for thought. Children don't need to have things painted in black and white for them, you don't have to point out the good guys and the bad guys, you can leave it for the viewer to decide. If you can't pick a winner you can comprise or, god forbid, gives a ending with winners and losers. Real losers, not a snuffed out ultimate evil but a muddy villain given a harsh fate. Let the viewer choose what to feel.

The finale is the worst episode(s) in the series because its the ultimate let down. A last shot to piece together an interesting story and not a fun flip book. For the first ten episodes they dangle these fascinating elements in front of viewer, baiting them deeper and deeper into the show. Sure they finish a few of these in dull, poorly conceived and uninspired manner (the bending tournament, Tarlock, Asumi and her dad) but they leave enough interesting question marks dangling to make me think they can pull it together. TLK wouldn't be the first animated show to slump hard in the middle (Death Note -.-), a strong and thought out finale could have saved the entire show. But no, the middle episodes weren't some fluke; they slotted twenty minutes to planes flown by faceless bad guys into ships of good guys I don't care about. Then they methodically destroyed everything interesting and dynamic about the main villain, fixed all the problems with out of nowhere bullshit and called it a wrap. It's exploitation of the fan base at its most basic level; they show you the world of avatar and with it the promises that previous show made good on, but don't give you anything interesting in its own right.

I realize they only had twelve episodes but its not like it would have been impossible to make a good story. Just some immediate ideas; cut everything about the bending arena and the brothers. Focus on Korra on the air temple trying to get in touch with her spiritual side while making frequent excursions into Republic City, with and without Tarlock to deal with equalists. Now you have three more episodes to develop Korra as a strong and independently minded protagonist. Three more episodes to consider the dynamics of republic city. Plus all that time developing the characters in Korra's "posse" and love triangle and all that junk; isn't Korra supposed to be the opposite of Aang anyway? Let her be independent, Korra relies more on the people around her than Aang did and hes supposed to be ten (or 13? I don't remember). It can still be fun and action packed like the writers obviously wanted but now there's time to write a good story behind that. Flesh out the conflicts, style Amon after Jet, Tarlock after the Azumi, play up the airbending family and her bear thing for fun and comedic effect (dear god the wife, there was so much potential there it hurts me to think about).

Overall it wasn't a good show and I'm disappointed that I slogged through 12 episodes just to get burned.

p.s. I might have called Asumi Mako a few times, sorry
Edit: If anyone wants to quote me, please be responsible and spoiler my post. Its pretty long <3
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zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
June 26 2012 03:19 GMT
#2844
On June 26 2012 12:03 n.DieJokes wrote:
So, having thought it over, my problem isn't so much with the finale as with the entire series focus. TLK didn't tell me a story, or at any rate it didn't tell a very good one. It wasn't so much the legend of Korra but more "check out all this cool stuff that revolves around Korra". I felt like they wanted, first and foremost, to explore a futuristic bending world and make some cool, toned down and well stylized fight scenes; the story always came second to the visuals. So watching it was incredibly frustrating.

They would set up these very interesting conflicts: bender vs. nonbenders, Tarlock vs. the rest of council, Korra vs. her spirituality, Asami vs. her father, Tarlock vs. Tenzin, bending vs. technology (plus the big mystery around Amon) but then they'd put them down and go back to explosions and romance junk (and at the end dash there heads against a wall). All these things drew me in not just out of curiosity, but because they were thought provoking, and every single damn time they took the easiest and least interesting way out.

It was kind of like watching a clown blow up a narrow balloon, ask you what animal you wanted to see it molded into, then pop it and clap at the loud noise. I'm almost entirely convinced they started this miniseries with a concept but not a story arc, it felt like they were making it up episode to episode so, in retrospect, its no surprise they ran everything into a wall at the end. Its not that it was a children's show, I'm not asking for darkness I'm asking for thought. Children don't need to have things painted in black and white for them, you don't have to point out the good guys and the bad guys, you can leave it for the viewer to decide. If you can't pick a winner you can comprise or, god forbid, gives a ending with winners and losers. Real losers, not a snuffed out ultimate evil but a muddy villain given a harsh fate. Let the viewer choose what to feel.

The finale is the worst episode(s) in the series because its the ultimate let down. A last shot to piece together an interesting story and not a fun flip book. For the first ten episodes they dangle these fascinating elements in front of viewer, baiting them deeper and deeper into the show. Sure they finish a few of these in dull, poorly conceived and uninspired manner (the bending tournament, Tarlock, Asumi and her dad) but they leave enough interesting question marks dangling to make me think they can pull it together. TLK wouldn't be the first animated show to slump hard in the middle (Death Note -.-), a strong and thought out finale could have saved the entire show. But no, the middle episodes weren't some fluke; they slotted twenty minutes to planes flown by faceless bad guys into ships of good guys I don't care about. Then they methodically destroyed everything interesting and dynamic about the main villain, fixed all the problems with out of nowhere bullshit and called it a wrap. It's exploitation of the fan base at its most basic level; they show you the world of avatar and with it the promises that previous show made good on, but don't give you anything interesting in its own right.

I realize they only had twelve episodes but its not like it would have been impossible to make a good story. Just some immediate ideas; cut everything about the bending arena and the brothers. Focus on Korra on the air temple trying to get in touch with her spiritual side while making frequent excursions into Republic City, with and without Tarlock to deal with equalists. Now you have three more episodes to develop Korra as a strong and independently minded protagonist. Three more episodes to consider the dynamics of republic city. Plus all that time developing the characters in Korra's "posse" and love triangle and all that junk; isn't Korra supposed to be the opposite of Aang anyway? Let her be independent, Korra relies more on the people around her than Aang did and hes supposed to be ten (or 13? I don't remember). It can still be fun and action packed like the writers obviously wanted but now there's time to write a good story behind that. Flesh out the conflicts, style Amon after Jet, Tarlock after the Azumi, play up the airbending family and her bear thing for fun and comedic effect (dear god the wife, there was so much potential there it hurts me to think about).

Overall it wasn't a good show and I'm disappointed that I slogged through 12 episodes just to get burned.

p.s. I might have called Asumi Mako a few times, sorry


+1
I was thoroughly disappointed in the Finale more than anything. And this makes much more sense of my thoughts than I could even do myself.
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Escavalier
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada62 Posts
June 26 2012 05:58 GMT
#2845
On June 26 2012 12:03 n.DieJokes wrote:
Its not that it was a children's show, I'm not asking for darkness I'm asking for thought. Children don't need to have things painted in black and white for them, you don't have to point out the good guys and the bad guys, you can leave it for the viewer to decide. If you can't pick a winner you can comprise or, god forbid, gives a ending with winners and losers. Real losers, not a snuffed out ultimate evil but a muddy villain given a harsh fate. Let the viewer choose what to feel.


Actually I think that they really did need to make the plot and conflicts black and white. Children can't really decide for themselves who the good guys and bad guys are, so the writers needed to make it extra-clear to them that Korra and her cause was ultimately 'good' and 'right' because Amon was a bender/liar/asshole. Sure, the writing staff can get away with some side conflicts and events that are more ambiguous, like the whole thing with Tenzin and Lin, but when it comes down to the main story and plot of the show, things have to be made extra clear.

This was pretty much the case in TLA as well. The main plot of Aang mastering the elements and his conflict with the fire nation was very clear and straightforward. Aang and Katara was just as predictable and annoying as Korra and Mako. It was really the side stuff that ended up being thought-provoking (such as Azula's character development, the Dai Li, etc.)
Jimmy Smits
Profile Joined June 2012
30 Posts
June 26 2012 07:16 GMT
#2846
How underwhelming were the United Forces? At the end of Episode Nine, you think a large naval fleet is coming to save the day. Then they just sail into some mines and that's it. And how do the Equalists amass huge-ass blimps without anyone noticing? There's no way you can have an army that big without information leaking out. Finally, I wish the series had just ended with Korra getting her powers back and doing that water tornado - Mako turning up ruined the scene.
GhostOwl
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
766 Posts
June 26 2012 07:41 GMT
#2847
On June 26 2012 07:30 Sitinte wrote:
I hate to go away from the current discussion, but after seeing relative success with The Promise (I'm saying relative because I don't know what the actual figures are, but it's good enough to get a green light), Dark Horse Comics is going to work on another interlude series, this time called, "The Search".

Zuko's the main character in this one, and it deals with the search for his mother. From the looks of promo cover and the interview, Azula will play a prominent role as well. Probably the best part of the interview is that the rest of the Gaang will be secondary and support.

Link to the news:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39354

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omg, so this is comics, not the show?

either way, i'd rather have another season of the old cast than this new one

this is great news but I really want to watch the series. Season 4 of the ALAB would be so much better than any number of seasons of LoK....
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 26 2012 10:03 GMT
#2848
So I spend the last 48 hours (or so) watching all 3 seasons of TLAB.

Holy fuck I had forgotten how amazing the bending was there. Waves of ice crushing down opponents, circles of fire splitting into multiple fireballs heading in different directions, mountains of dirt and earthquakes, tornadoes and gusts of air to harden molden lava...

I want some of that stuff in TLK. Most of TLK so far is measly small projectile bending atm. Has bending really deteriorated that much in the last 50-60 years?
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MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 13:50:25
June 26 2012 13:50 GMT
#2849
On June 26 2012 19:03 Firebolt145 wrote:
So I spend the last 48 hours (or so) watching all 3 seasons of TLAB.

Holy fuck I had forgotten how amazing the bending was there. Waves of ice crushing down opponents, circles of fire splitting into multiple fireballs heading in different directions, mountains of dirt and earthquakes, tornadoes and gusts of air to harden molden lava...

I want some of that stuff in TLK. Most of TLK so far is measly small projectile bending atm. Has bending really deteriorated that much in the last 50-60 years?

In TLK a lot of people can metal and lightning bend so I don't think bending has deteriorated. I think one reason for the lackluster bending is that the middle of a city isn't the best place for the level of bending we saw in TLA. Not as much water available and the writers probably didn't want to destroy half a city every battle. I was disappointed that Lin didn't use the seeing with earthbending thing more though. It would have made her so much more powerful.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 14:04:26
June 26 2012 14:03 GMT
#2850
@FB: There's a lot of bending in LoK that was flat out impossible in Avatar. The proliferation of metal bending, the mastery of blood bending, General Iroh flying via fire, Mako teaching himself lightning... Sure, nothing can compare to the Aang/Ozai fight, but on average, I would say the benders are much more skilled than they were in Avatar.

@Majujuju: Lin didn't have time to do that because she was too busy being BatFong. Holy crap, every time she started bending, I started cheering.
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phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
June 26 2012 14:03 GMT
#2851
what i dont get is, the whole series metal bending was more of a disadvantage than anything else.

it sucked big time to see Lin going again and again with her metal bending after equalists who use electric shock devices .. i mean how dumb can you be?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 26 2012 15:33 GMT
#2852
On June 26 2012 23:03 ghost_403 wrote:
@FB: There's a lot of bending in LoK that was flat out impossible in Avatar. The proliferation of metal bending, the mastery of blood bending, General Iroh flying via fire, Mako teaching himself lightning... Sure, nothing can compare to the Aang/Ozai fight, but on average, I would say the benders are much more skilled than they were in Avatar.

@Majujuju: Lin didn't have time to do that because she was too busy being BatFong. Holy crap, every time she started bending, I started cheering.

It's weird, because in some ways it seems to have progressed yet diminished. Yes, new things like blood bending without full moon, metal bending are new (though people were already gliding with fire in TLAB), but the sheer scale of it all has diminished by a huge amount. Even the season finale fight wasn't that extravagant. Too much quality, too little quantity!

I guess it all being in a city meaning space restrictions is the most logical reason behind this. Hopefully the next season(s) moves to more open areas and shows bending on a much larger scale, bringing us back to TLAB epicness.
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Quenchiest
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada286 Posts
June 26 2012 17:10 GMT
#2853
On June 26 2012 07:30 Sitinte wrote:
I hate to go away from the current discussion, but after seeing relative success with The Promise (I'm saying relative because I don't know what the actual figures are, but it's good enough to get a green light), Dark Horse Comics is going to work on another interlude series, this time called, "The Search".

Zuko's the main character in this one, and it deals with the search for his mother. From the looks of promo cover and the interview, Azula will play a prominent role as well. Probably the best part of the interview is that the rest of the Gaang will be secondary and support.

Link to the news:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39354

Related pic (cover)

+ Show Spoiler +
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Azula redemption story? Yes please.

Even though she went bat-shit crazy, she deserved a better fate.
schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
June 26 2012 18:35 GMT
#2854
No she doesn't She was craaaaaaaaazyyy yo. Though I guess the more story the better.

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Acetone
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States200 Posts
June 26 2012 19:39 GMT
#2855
On June 27 2012 02:10 Quenchiest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 07:30 Sitinte wrote:
I hate to go away from the current discussion, but after seeing relative success with The Promise (I'm saying relative because I don't know what the actual figures are, but it's good enough to get a green light), Dark Horse Comics is going to work on another interlude series, this time called, "The Search".

Zuko's the main character in this one, and it deals with the search for his mother. From the looks of promo cover and the interview, Azula will play a prominent role as well. Probably the best part of the interview is that the rest of the Gaang will be secondary and support.

Link to the news:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39354

Related pic (cover)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Azula redemption story? Yes please.

Even though she went bat-shit crazy, she deserved a better fate.

I'm also totally pumped for the Fire Nation royal family's story, but Azula totally deserved what she got. The Fire Nation's royal siblings, who are completely opposite in every way, perfectly embody the story's core struggle between good and evil. Zuko's slow, arduous rise to greatness and Azula's quick fall to ruin are probably my two favorite things about TLA. Zuko, whose entire childhood had been a struggle plagued by the scorn of his father and his own poor decisions, eventually found his way onto the right path thanks to Iroh's guidance and his own innate kindness. On the other hand, Azula, whose entire childhood was spent in the lap of luxury and her father's favoritism, eventually falls victim to events brought about by her own cruel nature. For Azula to receive a fate any better than the one she got (+ Show Spoiler +
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) would have been a direct slight to not only everything the show had done in developing the massive contrast between her and her brother, but the story's core conflict between good and evil.
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Kyrillion
Profile Joined August 2011
Russian Federation748 Posts
June 26 2012 19:47 GMT
#2856
Judging by that picture, it rather seems to me that she intends to stab them both in the back.
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Onioncookie
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany624 Posts
June 26 2012 19:54 GMT
#2857
Pretty good show , was very entertained ...

So any infos on Season 2??!?!?!?!
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 20:04:49
June 26 2012 20:03 GMT
#2858
The season finale was definitely rushed, though I was satisfied with what I got. Some things could have been a bit better, although I wonder where the story goes from here since they got rid of what I would say was the main protagonist of this season. I hope they don't do a 1-main bad guy per season and add more flow to the show. Characters still need to develop and they need to slow down on the characters' relationship part. Some of it feels too forced rather than natural, like how characters grew accustomed to one another in The Last Airbender.
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Quenchiest
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada286 Posts
June 26 2012 20:24 GMT
#2859
On June 27 2012 04:39 Acetone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 02:10 Quenchiest wrote:
On June 26 2012 07:30 Sitinte wrote:
I hate to go away from the current discussion, but after seeing relative success with The Promise (I'm saying relative because I don't know what the actual figures are, but it's good enough to get a green light), Dark Horse Comics is going to work on another interlude series, this time called, "The Search".

Zuko's the main character in this one, and it deals with the search for his mother. From the looks of promo cover and the interview, Azula will play a prominent role as well. Probably the best part of the interview is that the rest of the Gaang will be secondary and support.

Link to the news:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=39354

Related pic (cover)

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Azula redemption story? Yes please.

Even though she went bat-shit crazy, she deserved a better fate.

I'm also totally pumped for the Fire Nation royal family's story, but Azula totally deserved what she got. The Fire Nation's royal siblings, who are completely opposite in every way, perfectly embody the story's core struggle between good and evil. Zuko's slow, arduous rise to greatness and Azula's quick fall to ruin are probably my two favorite things about TLA. Zuko, whose entire childhood had been a struggle plagued by the scorn of his father and his own poor decisions, eventually found his way onto the right path thanks to Iroh's guidance and his own innate kindness. On the other hand, Azula, whose entire childhood was spent in the lap of luxury and her father's favoritism, eventually falls victim to events brought about by her own cruel nature. For Azula to receive a fate any better than the one she got (+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

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) would have been a direct slight to not only everything the show had done in developing the massive contrast between her and her brother, but the story's core conflict between good and evil.


I haven't watched through the final season in a long while, but I always felt like the way she started to lose it toward the end was due to a lot of self inflicted conflict. Like she had started to realize what she had become, but thought it to be too late to turn back. She still felt she needed to remain loyal to her father. There was a lot going on.

I guess "not-deserving" isn't exactly the best way to phrase it, but many figured she was just thrown away forever.

A lot of people felt that maybe with time she could be rehabilitated. Though I guess this is what this continuing story dives into, and whether or not it actually worked.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
June 26 2012 23:07 GMT
#2860
Hello, me again.

Here's what I was hoping: that Amon was actually a regular human and/or he was in touch with the spirit world and that's how he could remove bending. The fact that he ended up being a fraud was dismissive of his message of the oppression at the hands of benders (which was exploited, yet valid enough to explore).

Other things that we're "resolved" too quickly:

- as stated by you guys earlier: conservation of ninjutsu. The super-skilled Equalists turned into beatable goons in the blink of an eye after spending over half of the season emphasizing their dominance
- Too much Mako-drama, not enough other Team Avatar members
- after having no spiritual connections whatsoever, Aang reveals himself to Korra with 3 minutes left in the season
- she could suddenly airbend with 10 minutes left in the season, but Amon took her bending away just before... >_>
- Amon could have just swam, or bended, to the surface of the water, but instead reveals himself as a fraud by propelling himself out with a fucking whirlpool. Because, why?
- Amon used advanced bloodbending to remove bending permanently, but it's never even remotely explained how!
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