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kleetzor
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany360 Posts
April 01 2012 18:54 GMT
#701
Even if Glaber was a very good fighter in his younger days, we all saw how roman soldiers got thoroughly destroyed by the gladiators, and if you add up that Glaber had been a commander for quite a while and spent his days chatting/fucking/cursing/eating, he was expected to be demolished by an enraged Spartacus.
Polar Mania
Profile Joined March 2012
9 Posts
April 01 2012 18:57 GMT
#702
On April 02 2012 03:31 Box.N.Straw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2012 23:33 Polar Mania wrote:
On April 01 2012 17:45 Duravi wrote:
What? Glaber is no warrior, it makes sense for him to get beat down fairly easily, if anything it would be stupid to have them appear as fighting equals. I did think season one had a better finale, and the final 3 episodes of season one were stronger than this seasons final 3. Still an excellent show though.


Correct me if I'm wrong as I generally fast forward past the talking scenes (especially when Lucretia and Illythia are gossiping like bitches trying to out socialise each other - ugh) - but isn't Glaber some dude with political aspirations? In which case he didn't come from privilege, and had to earn his way up the ranks. Presumably by kicking other Roman soldiers' asses and ending up as a decent commander.

I enjoyed episode five very much but the rest were just meh. The only episode I didn't enjoy in season one was when Spartacus was condemned to the pits.


I got the sense that he WASN'T a decent commander. And this was because he didn't earn his way up the ranks. We learn from the very first episode that he became a Praetor thanks to connections through Illythia and her father. He was a nobody before.


Oh yeah, you're right. I stand corrected.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
April 01 2012 20:41 GMT
#703
Great season except for Naeva...and Ashur dying to her like that ....*facepalm*
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
April 01 2012 21:50 GMT
#704
i think they couldve done without the whole lecretia / ilithiya storylines.
starleague forever
Tor
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada231 Posts
April 01 2012 22:04 GMT
#705
On April 02 2012 05:41 mango_destroyer wrote:
Great season except for Naeva...and Ashur dying to her like that ....*facepalm*


I like to think Naevia knew she couldn't beat Ashur so she purposefully feigned weakness to take advantage of Ashur's arrogance. It's subtly hinted earlier when Crixus tells Naevia there are other ways to kill than by brute force, which she replies with "I will learn them" if I recall correctly.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13358 Posts
April 02 2012 00:12 GMT
#706
Great finish to the show, but my only gripe was the Lucretia/Ilythia storyline.

Whilst being a cool twist, it didn't really fit with any of the logic in the storyline and was a pretty convenient set of circumstances for it to happen. It's good they killed off a lot of characters though, as they probably wouldn't have much of a place in the story going forward.

It'll be interesting to see where they take the story now as pretty much all loose ends attached to the first two seasons have been settled.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
April 02 2012 20:21 GMT
#707
pretty much spoiling everything in here, open at your own risk:

+ Show Spoiler +

Mira - She was my favorite character this season T_T. I was soooo sad when she took that ax to the tit (((((((. She is pretty much my ideal type of woman, and Spartacus couldn't even appreciate her fully due to rage... not much else to say here except D: I was all choked up when she died. Mira realized her and Sparty weren't going to work out, and she got her closure. Watching her interviews I actually really like her as a person too. Gonna check out some of her other shows. 6/5 for Mira!
Now the German girl is the new hot chick... I think it's funny how they portray her so much differently in the final episode after Mira's passing.. much more somber (surely due to the situation), whereas before she was all barbaric.

Naevia - lots of people complaining about the new actor. Sure, I thought the old Naevia was hotter and played the "loving helpless woman" better, but could you really see that actor playing the new role as well as the new girl did? She had a REALLY tough role in this season, starting as a frail and depressed spirit who had her brains mixed up by rape, torture, and slavery, who then had to literally and mentally battle to regain her spirit. Sure, someone could have done a better job than her, but not the old Naevia IMO.
Also, lots of people seem upset that she claimed Ashur's life... but I can't think of any other way. If I think back on all the nasty things Ashur has done throughout the 3 seasons, I actually completely see where he's coming from, and a lot of people deserved the will of Ashur being pushed on them (hi Lucretia), BUT Naevia was not one of them. On the flip side of that coin, Crixus treated Ashur like shit and Ashur owed Crixus that payment (which surely would be repaid in kind). Thus, nobody had greater claim on his life than she did, and I completely agree with the writers choice to have them fight, and was shedding tears of joy as she hacked his fucking head off. Naevia got her vengeance.
This is also cool because it was like Naevia's "right-of-passage" as a warrior, so next season I'm sure she'll be one of the bad-asses

Ashur - he had it coming! Yea, he was the best protagonist probably EVER, but once Lucretia found Seppius' bracelet (which fell out of his treasure chest as he began to forcefully fuck her) it was game over for him. Even though Seppia's attempt on his life failed, it was inevitable that Ashur taking the bracelet would be revealed to Glabber, and thus cementing his death. I was actually starting to root for Ashur the last couple episodes in hopes that he would take over the ludus and train some badasses, BUT he had to die eventually. I also liked the fact that he was inducing torture on Lucretia, when she had been dishing it out all along up until now she finally gets to know what it feels like. One of the best parts of Ashur being on the opposing team is that he stood as brothers with Spartacus n crew and was able to provide insight into their plans where the romans failed (uncovering their plans to get Naevia from the mines, then seeing the mark of a slave as they were almost tricked into leaving). The Starz crew will be hard pressed to find some villains next season to replace him AND Glabber. 5/5 for Ashur

Glabber - Such awesome character progression with him this season! In Blood and Sands he just kind of seems like a pawn trying to make his way up the political ranks. The beginning of Vengeance he looked like a push-over and a pussy, but then reveals his inner beastly monster. That fuckin wicked smile and look of destruction in his eyes is so goddamn captivating and creepy at the same time. He did a fucking outstanding job! 5/5. Oh God in the final episode when his troops meet face to face with Sparty/Crixus/Gannicus/Agron, and Glabber screams "KILL THEM!!!" I got such chills

Crixus - A lot of people are also upset with Crixus being a pussy this season. Let me remind you that he used to fight for glory in the arena, now he fights for love. Anyone who has a problem with his character change probably hasn't ever felt love ripped from your arms, then to think it is hopeless, and then to gain her back again. Also, people forget that in Blood and Sands, Crixus was a fucking antagonist to Spartacus, arguably the MAIN ONE (maybe Batiatus). A lot of things change... why wouldn't their character? I think he did a fantastic job as an actor

Spartacus - It's weird... I don't like him, but I don't dislike him. He played his role, but.... Goddamnit RIP Andy. On the flip side, Andy's role as Sparty was always more reclusive, whereas the new one is a leader demanding respect. I have a feeling Andy would have been so much more badass as leader of a rebel army, but in a much different way and feel than the new main actor did. *sigh*

Oenomaus - What a badass!
In the beginning of Veangence, goes to the pits to keep fighting until he dies. Ashur saves him right before death.
Then, he is put in prison, tortured, and starved
Then, he must fight against Gannacus in the arena, but the arena falls on him giving him more serious wounds.
He has some time to heal from that ordeal, but not fully, and then he gets stabbed the the eye by the Egyptian
FINALLY after all that he falls in battle.

Gannacus - One of the cool things about Oenomaus and Gannacus is that they both EARNED THEIR FREEDOM (by Roman law). They could both be free men right now, but chose not to. Gannacus always laughing, smiling, drinking booze, fucking bitches, and single-handedly slaying big packs of Roman soldiers, what's not to love?

Lucretia - Lucy Lawless... Just WOW

Illithya - I thought it interesting she was kept around... peering into the next season and noticing Markus Crassus will be involved is interesting since Illithya killed his cousin. I wonder if she still has the hand that Batiatus gave to Glaber as a gift? lol

Out of the gladiators, there's only Spartacus, Crixus, Gannacus, Agron, and the guy with the ax now, right?

ok I'm done typing. Can't wait for season 3
jaedong imba
RA
Profile Joined October 2008
Latvia791 Posts
April 02 2012 20:46 GMT
#708
If I don't count the things I disliked generally like their pompous manner of speaking with pseudo-roman/latin sentence structure at all times, everyone being a mastermind schemer who's plans work out 90% of the times and blood being spilled from buckets to the point it becomes comical, the season still felt much weaker than the first one. New actor did decently, but at the same time it wasn't enough since he's the one to command the presence which just wasn't there. Change of actors isn't a good thing either and I wasn't even a fan, and still it did remove credibility a bit, mainly Naevia. Intrigue was very lacking for me, everything felt too predictable except 2 cases in whole season. Basically, meh.
BrickSquadTV
Profile Joined September 2011
9 Posts
April 05 2012 06:52 GMT
#709
So sad sexy Illythia died.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
April 05 2012 06:57 GMT
#710
On April 05 2012 15:52 LegionAir wrote:
So sad sexy Illythia died.


you mean lucretia? There is nothing implying that Illythia died...
jaedong imba
Absurdly
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada59 Posts
April 05 2012 07:04 GMT
#711
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 05 2012 15:57 slappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 15:52 LegionAir wrote:
So sad sexy Illythia died.


you mean lucretia? There is nothing implying that Illythia died...


She seemed pretty dead to me. Laying on the ground with her eyes open but motionless and glassy.
Black Civil Rights
Profile Joined April 2012
21 Posts
April 05 2012 07:31 GMT
#712
On April 05 2012 16:04 Absurdly wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 05 2012 15:57 slappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2012 15:52 LegionAir wrote:
So sad sexy Illythia died.


you mean lucretia? There is nothing implying that Illythia died...


She seemed pretty dead to me. Laying on the ground with her eyes open but motionless and glassy.


Lucretia seemed pretty dead to me in season one. Furthermore, I doubt he is referring to Illythia given he prefixed her name with 'sexy':

+ Show Spoiler +
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
April 05 2012 07:39 GMT
#713
My money's on Illythia being alive next season.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 05 2012 07:45 GMT
#714
Just watched the first episode of Spartacus Blood and Sand, as I heard it is a great series.
But man was I dissapointed.

I honestly dont know what to say, it was just so simplistic and well, bad.
Yet many seem to like it, I must be missing something here. I dont get it.
Off-season = best season
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-05 07:48:57
April 05 2012 07:48 GMT
#715
On April 05 2012 16:39 Vindicare605 wrote:
My money's on Illythia being alive next season.


Yep. Seemed she was cracking a smile at the end...

EDIT:
On April 05 2012 16:45 Redox wrote:
Just watched the first episode of Spartacus Blood and Sand, as I heard it is a great series.
But man was I dissapointed.

I honestly dont know what to say, it was just so simplistic and well, bad.
Yet many seem to like it, I must be missing something here. I dont get it.


dude you gotta watch more than the first episode c'mon
jaedong imba
Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
April 05 2012 07:52 GMT
#716
On April 05 2012 16:45 Redox wrote:
Just watched the first episode of Spartacus Blood and Sand, as I heard it is a great series.
But man was I dissapointed.

I honestly dont know what to say, it was just so simplistic and well, bad.
Yet many seem to like it, I must be missing something here. I dont get it.

The first episode of Blood & Sand is basically an April Fools.
Really bad joke hiding a gem.
Almost every Spartacus fan will tell u that it's craptastic, and every one of them will tell you that the jump in quality increases exponentially after a few episodes.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
April 05 2012 07:56 GMT
#717
^
Ok maybe I will give it another try then.
But was already kinda hard to sit through that one.
Off-season = best season
justinqt
Profile Joined February 2012
United States28 Posts
April 05 2012 08:53 GMT
#718
+ Show Spoiler +
Hmmm, a lot of people died. Are they going to introduce a bunch of new characters as villains?


^ I wonder how next season is gonna be like.
Kamakiri
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden312 Posts
April 05 2012 09:14 GMT
#719
The final episode was about as good as it could have been. There were so many characters that I did not want to die, but they managed to kill of the persons that needed to die for the progression of the story.

Still sad about the death of Ashur, he was a great character.
cancer lancer, faceless cancer
Xarles
Profile Joined July 2011
459 Posts
April 05 2012 09:29 GMT
#720
On April 05 2012 16:56 Redox wrote:
^
Ok maybe I will give it another try then.
But was already kinda hard to sit through that one.

Indeed it was. I had a hard time believing that the director of the Spider-Man trilogy had a hand in the series while watching that episode.
I usually just recommend people start with Ep 2 since it summarizes Ep1 at the beginning and you save 1 hour of pain to boot.

I think it's at 4th or 5th ep that people in general say that it really starts to pick up. It was 4th for me.
Ironically Spartacus: Vengeance also took a bit of time to find its footing.
All in all, I hope you do give it another shot. Aside from the surprising increase in quality after the beginning, the B&S finale is in a class of its own.
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