EPT[TV] Spartacus Vengeance - Page 21
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Ethenielle
Norway1006 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On March 08 2012 21:28 Khanz wrote: No i'm not being absurd, I'm very serious. You completely misreaded my post. I did not say romans didn't kill nor betray anyone. And if you don't believe in propaganda of our time, it's your right, but don't shit on others because you assume you can read. What I'm saying is the following: it is clear to me that Ashur is the evilest over romans and gladiators. Don't get me wrong, i'm not Syrian nor do I defend any side, but what I do know is that everything you see and watch is not historically true and often mislead for poor interests. And to be clear, i'm not saying propaganda is Spartacus TVShow's purpose. The most blattant scene is when Glabber offers him a chance to prove himself, that precise moment when Ashur is surrounded by romans; they all yell at him: "Fucking Syrian, ah ah ah, fucking Syrian [...]". The following scene is Ashur and his men killing women and children, this scene is particularly noticable because we rarely see neither romans nor gladiators killing children and women savagely in Spartacus. Plus as I said above, whenever there is a violent scene with slowmotions, a sweet "arabish" music comes to cover up the whole scene nicely. This might be insignificant for some of you, but unconsciously your brain get a very straight up message  . And no I didn't study proper sociology eventhough I did study literature and cinematography. Do you think the average young people who watch this show will have a nice picture of Syria and Syrian people? Ahh.. hollywood. It has nothing to do with "not believing in propaganda". I'm merely saying that this particular show is not propaganda against Syria, in that it shows one Syrian guy who appears to be "evil", which is in itself no statement regarding a modern Syria which has nothing to do with what we see in the show. You say that the scene were Romans are being racist toward him has something to do with propaganda, do you suggest that all accounts of racism should be removed from the show which more than once has people making fun of Thracians, or really anyone who's not part of the roman empire which BTW trampled all over everyone for a while. The Romans are being demonized by this show anyway, do you really think people give a crap about them being mean to a dude? Plenty of shows have a villain who's really bad, should they outright remove the nationality of EVERY bad person in order to make sure it doesn't affect modern nations? Or are you suggesting that characters like Asher should be toned down to be nicer? Guys guys, I think this show might be propaganda against Italy - notice how those Romans have slaves and stuff. And they kill them and rape them like it's nothing. Grow some perspective. A vast majority of people won't extrapolate the actions of one Syrian to the Syrian people of 2100 years later. And those who do are imbeciles and if they don't get the wrong ideas out of this show, they'll get the wrong ideas elsewhere and they can't be helped. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On March 07 2012 23:40 Khanz wrote: After watching the sixth episode, the new actor seems pretty boyish and completely passive as said above. I hope it will get better, eventhough he must have some heavy pressure. Andy had what it takes, or maybe I was simply too used to him  .While I enjoy this show for its entertainment values, did anyone notice the poor US propaganda against Syria? ... /!\ Spoiler /!\ ... Okay, I have not read the historical gladiator / spartacus books. But isn't it a little weird/shady that the Syrian Ashur is being the only guy who betrays everyone ? He is the only one to kill children and women, he is the evilest by far, we could easily have empathy towards the romans compared to Ashur. Any correlation with the actual war ? I think it's pretty clear though ... Not to mention the oriental ("arab"-ish) music during every single violent bloody fights ... I havn't even analyzed it much more but it's already blattant propaganda imo. Thoughts? Oh please. The Lord of the Rings and their symbolic hatred of Muslims is more offensive than the fact a single villain in this series hapens to be a Syrian. Or have you forgotten that one of Spartacus' own men is also Syrian and he's a good guy? I swear people need to just chill out sometimes. The main villains in this series are still Roman. Does that mean this whole show is hating on Italians now? | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:37 Vindicare605 wrote: Oh please. The Lord of the Rings and their symbolic hatred of Muslims is more offensive than the fact a single villain in this series hapens to be a Syrian. Or have you forgotten that one of Spartacus' own men is also Syrian and he's a good guy? I swear people need to just chill out sometimes. The main villains in this series are still Roman. Does that mean this whole show is hating on Italians now? On a completely unrelated note, I never noticed LOTR presenting any symbolic hatred of Muslims. Can you elaborate? | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
NEW EP TOMMOROW, CAN'T FUCKING WAIT FOR A REAL FIGHT LIKE IN BaS without pointless slow mode and tons of blood coming out from a little cut | ||
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:08 Itachii wrote: Haha, what the hell happen to this thread NEW EP TOMMOROW, CAN'T FUCKING WAIT FOR A REAL FIGHT LIKE IN BaS without pointless slow mode and tons of blood coming out from a little cut THIS!! Like wth?? Here's the preview of tomorrow's episode to keep this on track. | ||
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kleetzor
Germany360 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:58 Ziken wrote: On a completely unrelated note, I never noticed LOTR presenting any symbolic hatred of Muslims. Can you elaborate? In LOTR theres some symbolism, where the heroes and their story has a lot of christian influence and the bad guys that are recruited by Sauron and take part in the battle for minas tirith are "dark skinned men from the east, riding beasts and using curved swords" (scimitars are of arab origin and are curved). Most of it subtle, but still there. | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
Civ4 warlord expansion had an arabic love song as their opening menu theme. A love song for expansion all about adding depth to war in middle age period. Lol. | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On March 07 2012 23:40 Khanz wrote: After watching the sixth episode, the new actor seems pretty boyish and completely passive as said above. I hope it will get better, eventhough he must have some heavy pressure. Andy had what it takes, or maybe I was simply too used to him .While I enjoy this show for its entertainment values, did anyone notice the poor US propaganda against Syria? ... /!\ Spoiler /!\ ... Okay, I have not read the historical gladiator / spartacus books. But isn't it a little weird/shady that the Syrian Ashur is being the only guy who betrays everyone ? He is the only one to kill children and women, he is the evilest by far, we could easily have empathy towards the romans compared to Ashur. Any correlation with the actual war ? I think it's pretty clear though ... Not to mention the oriental ("arab"-ish) music during every single violent bloody fights ... I havn't even analyzed it much more but it's already blattant propaganda imo. Thoughts? They've always mentioned Ashur being Syrian....now your bringing it up because Syria's getting negative press in the news. Ashur's been Syrian way before this. If Syria wasn't in the news you wouldn't care at all. Moral of the story...stop looking to be offended when there's nothing to be offended about. | ||
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Fourn
Greece227 Posts
On March 08 2012 21:28 Khanz wrote: The following scene is Ashur and his men killing women and children, this scene is particularly noticable because we rarely see neither romans nor gladiators killing children and women savagely in Spartacus. You must have missed the part where Spartacus and his gladiators brought down the arena in Capua and entire sections of Romans, women included, were falling to their deaths. They probably killed more innocents in that scene than Ashur has in his life. And what about Batiatus and Barca in season 1? They killed that one guy's children (forget his name, but he had the hit put out on Batiatus because he didn't pay him back his debts). | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:04 Fourn wrote: You must have missed the part where Spartacus and his gladiators brought down the arena in Capua and entire sections of Romans, women included, were falling to their deaths. They probably killed more innocents in that scene than Ashur has in his life. And what about Batiatus and Barca in season 1? They killed that one guy's children (forget his name, but he had the hit put out on Batiatus because he didn't pay him back his debts). More than a handful of people burned to their death in the arena. Roman citizen. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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Razuik
United States409 Posts
On March 10 2012 15:28 Duravi wrote: Another great episode. The way it ended was especially satisfying, all those duplicitous romans scheming, and Gannicus basically gave a big fuck you to all of them. The only part that seemed weird was the new guy trying to rape Crixus' girl, I mean cmon dude, you just arrived a day ago and you are going to rape one of the leaders girlfriend? I doubt anyone is really that stupid. Yeah, I wasn't expecting him to do that at all. I figured they'd end up getting along with that guy because he was being somewhat friendly to Oenomaus. I guess he can't blame it on the alcohol because his face got chopped off LOL. | ||
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Arkless
Canada1547 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:58 Ziken wrote: On a completely unrelated note, I never noticed LOTR presenting any symbolic hatred of Muslims. Can you elaborate? http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Racism_in_Tolkien's_Works http://forums.highdefdigest.com/film-forum/8562-lord-rings-racist.html For related reading. Take a few things into consideration. Compare the geography of middle earth with that of Europe with the Shire being located where England might have been. Take note of the regions of origin of the evil and good men. The use of the words "dark" and "light" when describing the people. Not that I myself hold resentment towards Tolkein at all, in fact I think most of these accusations are overblown, but they are more offensive than any sort of racial accusation you can come to about Spartacus. | ||
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vommy
Germany532 Posts
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MrBrunk
Canada428 Posts
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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BillyJoe
Canada60 Posts
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