saw this thread and thought it was a joke, watched that winter round up video didn't really see what you were talking about. Then watched that episode 7, was a charming episode, pretty funny at parts, and reasonably entertaining. At that point i could agree there might be something to this, the show is pretty well done. Read a little more and found out there is a character called "derpy hooves"? If true thats awesome, its seems the writers know what is entertaining to the young male audience because it is in there. Some of the stuff in this show seems like it would be too much for little girls to get really. You think of my little ponies as a little girls show because of the title, but the episodes arent necessarily written for little girls. I think there is a valid attempt in there for the show to be entertaining to parents aswell. All the little girl needs from a show is cute ponies and some friendship stuff, easily accomplished. The hard part is making the show appease adults aswell and i think this show does it quite well.
Ill give a loose comparison to the first Shrek movie. At the start of 3d animated movies they were considered kids movies, but the shrek movie was different because it placed a lot of humour in there that older people would understand and get entertainment out of. Not saying that MLP has this to the same level because it doesn't, but it is there in small doses, which is why this male 15-35 demographic exists.
Now i probably wont watch the show, but if the kids are watching it, i think i would find it quite easy to join them in watching it without rolling my eyes or dieing slowly, which is alright in my book.
On September 04 2011 19:52 Gary Oak wrote: It has nothing to do with Cupcakes! Rainbow Dash is fine, it's just alt art of her going insane or something. =p
Having read it and a few alt. endings I'm pretty sure that's at least one of them, just so you know.
On September 04 2011 19:57 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On September 04 2011 19:51 Rareware wrote:
On September 04 2011 13:06 Gary Oak wrote: More random pony images:
Come on give a warning if your going to post cupcakes....
I'm sick to death of hearing about Cupcakes. Pinkie Pie has a breakdown in episode 25? OH MY GOD OBVIOUSLY THE CREATORS DID IT AS A NOD TO CUPCAKES!
Everywhere I look there's some god damn Cupcakes reference, and I shouldn't have to love and tolerate that shit. I'm fine with that fanfic existing, but it's far from the most brutal or gory fanfic created so the fact that it gets so much attention when really it's just another fanfic is ridiculous.
There certainly are more gory fics right now, but Cupcakes is pretty old, I think it's probably the first overly gory one. Certainly the first one to gain any notable attention.
I only read it, after doing so I had no interest in reading deeper into it (such as alt endings). I only posted it because to me it's alt art (didn't make me think of Cupcakes) and I like alt art. I apologize to anyone that didn't like it.
Who's Derpy Hooves? And is Princess Luna the same person as Nightmare Moon, or somebody else?
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I've not been appreciating the discussion for the last couple of pages (except for the discussion about Discord, which hadn't existed when I started this post)... so I'm just going to put together a couple of very simple thoughts about the season as a whole, even though I have yet to finish reviewing every individual episode
MLP: FiM season 1 was no Cowboy Bebop. It was no Full Metal Panic! Fumoffu, it was no House season 4, and it was no Whose Line Is It Anyway? All of those were shows that carved their way into my heart, if you don't mind me employing the cheesiest phrasing possible. However, this show about Twilight Sparkle and her friends became much more heartfelt than I would have expected, and I would say that MLP:FiM probably ranks in my tier 2 of shows, alongside Big Bang Theory and Heroes season 1 and... well, I'm not sure what else*
I'm reminded of Kids Next Door, which was a show meant to be some good imaginative fun for kids, and I enjoyed any occasional episode I could catch. My Little Ponies is designed to be fun for girls, but more than that it is meant to have strong characters with strong relations... as has already been said repeatedly, this is a character driven show.
As I reflect on the episodes I've watched over this past week, I remember them fondly. I find myself somewhat eager to watch a few of the episodes a second time, and I'm curious about season two. Though I'm obviously not jumping around with excited anticipation, I think it stands as an impressive accomplishment, as MLP avoided using any form of cliffhanger to raise hype for its second season. Compare this to Burn Notice, which drops Michael into a precarious or plot-changing situation with the last episode of every season, or House, which drops the famed doctor into some mind-altering or life-threatening situation with the last couple of episodes of every season. MLP operates purely on charm - as well it should, because by humbug ponies are CUTE.
However... I'm concerned that MLP will ultimately lack the depth necessary to maintain an adult audience (at least this particular adult**). Then again, I continue to find leisure time in which to stream episodes of Californication and Burn Notice once every few months, when I happen to realize that another season has been created... but has my life been improved by having seen Californication? Not at all. I wish I had spent that time reading instead.
I hope that in the future I will not hold similar regrets about MLP.
If in the future I do, then the world can laugh at me, because I'm a 19 year old male watching a show about my little ponies. Personally, the only part I find ridiculous about the situation is the amount of time spent on watching television of any sort.***
As a rule, television is something I waste time on when I'm tired or sleepy or eating or busy doing something else, so until I came along this thread I hadn't devoted much time at all to ranking the shows I've seen or giving much more thought to them than I had while watching them. I think movies are usually more potent, and obviously books, and also recent videogames. Up until today, I hadn't even realized how many shows I've seen. =/
I almost wrote, "when I should be outside instead," but I live in fucking florida and I absolutely hate being outside in warm weather. I can't wait to get back to Cali for school, once it starts up again
*INHALE* Yaaaay~!
Derpy Hooves is a fan-given name to the grey yellow-eyed pegasus that appeared in the first episode with defective eyes. It was a mistake in the animation, but the producers decided to keep her like that on the following episodes, and she would only appear as a cameo. Her most noticeable appearance was on Feeling Pinkie Keen, where she drops a(*ahem*) piano over Twilight.
It was confirmed that she would appear more in Season 2 due to the fans loving the derp-eyed pegasus, having a role more noticeable than just cameo. That is, according to the producer's "Ask Me Anything" on reddit.
She may also be known as Ditzy Doo on fanfics, since this is a generally more "intelligent" name for her, and also has an Unicorn daughter called Dinky Doo(on fics, that is). This unicorn is also gray with a blonde mane, and is seen on class with Applebloom.
Princess Luna and Nightmare Moon are taken as different ponies most of the time, or with NMM being a corrupted version of Luna, but since there is little to no information on them it's all purely speculation
Thanks for the info!
The piano drop on Twilight was a good moment, haha
I hope the Nightmare/Luna character doesn't turn out to be lame
On September 05 2011 01:33 TheRealPaciFist wrote: MLP: FiM season 1 was no Cowboy Bebop. It was no Full Metal Panic! Fumoffu, it was no House season 4, and it was no Whose Line Is It Anyway?
I'm sweeping a wider range of issues and misconceptions while at this, so bear with me...
By far the greatest wrench-in-the-system that throws people off their calculations (and as a result leaves them completely mystified regarding the popularity and overall visibility of the show) has to be assuming it plays by the same rules as the ones they're used to watching. "It just isn't that good. Why doesn't/didn't Show X get this kind of attention even though it's way better?" tends to be the usual sentiment.
Most "adult" shows, however, aren't made with any kind of character attachment in mind; They do their thing and create awesome scenes that impress both the critics and the viewers, racking up ratings and advertising income. That's the end of it, but it works. After all, why would they do otherwise? Their marketability is fairly limited among the target audience, and bringing subjectivity into the reviews is a dangerous game.
True character-driven shows, however, are almost always designed as such for merchandising, so there's little reason to reach outside of the toy demographic (kids). They also require a critical mass of fan activity to even show up on the radar, so most people (justifiably) don't come across the type very often, and don't really think about their actual MO. That's where the disconnect occurs.
When watching an almost entirely character-driven show objectively, the natural build-up of attachment is blocked. When one then judges it by its immediate merits, which were only ever there to build the characters to begin with, a dissonance of opinions is inevitable. Even if that wasn't already enough, what's often ignored is the effect of the positive feedback engine that's the fandom itself, churning out fan works which have then fed enthusiasm back into the engine for the better part of a year by now.
TL;DR: Character-driven shows are dynamic, and facing them off against objectively "complete" ones is silly and polarizing.
On September 05 2011 02:10 Zephirdd wrote: *INHALE* Yaaaay~!
Derpy Hooves is a fan-given name to the grey yellow-eyed pegasus that appeared in the first episode with defective eyes. It was a mistake in the animation, but the producers decided to keep her like that on the following episodes, and she would only appear as a cameo. Her most noticeable appearance was on Feeling Pinkie Keen, where she drops a(*ahem*) piano over Twilight.
It was confirmed that she would appear more in Season 2 due to the fans loving the derp-eyed pegasus, having a role more noticeable than just cameo. That is, according to the producer's "Ask Me Anything" on reddit.
She may also be known as Ditzy Doo on fanfics, since this is a generally more "intelligent" name for her, and also has an Unicorn daughter called Dinky Doo(on fics, that is). This unicorn is also gray with a blonde mane, and is seen on class with Applebloom.
I think Ditzy Doo is the official canon name for Derpy Hooves. In episode 11, "Winter Wrap Up," she was mentioned going north to get the summer birds :p
On September 05 2011 02:10 Zephirdd wrote: *INHALE* Yaaaay~!
Derpy Hooves is a fan-given name to the grey yellow-eyed pegasus that appeared in the first episode with defective eyes. It was a mistake in the animation, but the producers decided to keep her like that on the following episodes, and she would only appear as a cameo. Her most noticeable appearance was on Feeling Pinkie Keen, where she drops a(*ahem*) piano over Twilight.
It was confirmed that she would appear more in Season 2 due to the fans loving the derp-eyed pegasus, having a role more noticeable than just cameo. That is, according to the producer's "Ask Me Anything" on reddit.
She may also be known as Ditzy Doo on fanfics, since this is a generally more "intelligent" name for her, and also has an Unicorn daughter called Dinky Doo(on fics, that is). This unicorn is also gray with a blonde mane, and is seen on class with Applebloom.
I think Ditzy Doo is the official canon name for Derpy Hooves. In episode 11, "Winter Wrap Up," she was mentioned going north to get the summer birds :p
On September 05 2011 02:10 Zephirdd wrote: *INHALE* Yaaaay~!
Derpy Hooves is a fan-given name to the grey yellow-eyed pegasus that appeared in the first episode with defective eyes. It was a mistake in the animation, but the producers decided to keep her like that on the following episodes, and she would only appear as a cameo. Her most noticeable appearance was on Feeling Pinkie Keen, where she drops a(*ahem*) piano over Twilight.
It was confirmed that she would appear more in Season 2 due to the fans loving the derp-eyed pegasus, having a role more noticeable than just cameo. That is, according to the producer's "Ask Me Anything" on reddit.
She may also be known as Ditzy Doo on fanfics, since this is a generally more "intelligent" name for her, and also has an Unicorn daughter called Dinky Doo(on fics, that is). This unicorn is also gray with a blonde mane, and is seen on class with Applebloom.
I think Ditzy Doo is the official canon name for Derpy Hooves. In episode 11, "Winter Wrap Up," she was mentioned going north to get the summer birds :p
While Ditzy Doo was probably her intended name, they use a lot of "stock" background ponies and every appearance of that particular colour combination was dubbed "Derpy", when in fact she was only alluded to as Ditzy Doo for that one particular scene. This sounds weird, but you can see carbon copies of some ponies in the same scenes.
Anyway, multiple creators of the show seem fine with that background pony all being the same pony called Derpy Hooves. The director of the show recently did an AMA on Reddit and was asked "is it Ditzy or Derpy?" and he replied with something along the lines of "I don't know, you tell me" or "you were the ones that named her."
[Edit] Though Ditzy was one of the nicknames given to that particular background pony by the crew, along with Bubbles and a few others.
Alternatively: The Ditzy in the episode had no cross-eyes and a purple mane, while in most episodes it is blonde. So Ditzy and Derpy could be two different ponies.
Best line: "But that's what I've been trying to tell-"
More enjoyable the second time around... but no drastic changes or anything, so this is brief. Only thing I have to say is about another episode: I'm starting to think that the way Fluttershy acted in the final episode really is within the bounds of her character. It makes sense that her wanting something so bad would mess with her natural charm, and her screaming "YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE ME" is extremely unusual for her... but we're just so unused to her being vocal that it might've seemed impossible.
Best line: "But that's what I've been trying to tell-"
More enjoyable the second time around... but no drastic changes or anything, so this is brief. Only thing I have to say is about another episode: I'm starting to think that the way Fluttershy acted in the final episode really is within the bounds of her character. It makes sense that her wanting something so bad would mess with her natural charm, and her screaming "WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME" is extremely unusual for her... but we're just so unused to her being vocal that it might've seemed impossible.
Best line: "But that's what I've been trying to tell-"
More enjoyable the second time around... but no drastic changes or anything, so this is brief. Only thing I have to say is about another episode: I'm starting to think that the way Fluttershy acted in the final episode really is within the bounds of her character. It makes sense that her wanting something so bad would mess with her natural charm, and her screaming "WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME" is extremely unusual for her... but we're just so unused to her being vocal that it might've seemed impossible.
I disagree that Ep. 26 Fluttershy was in character. She only got assertive under a specific set of prerequisites: there has to be an external threat, it has to threaten others that she cares about, and "the stare" is a last resort. I liked that. But in 26 not only was there a huge leap from "stern talking to" to "off the deep end crazy," but it was for completely personal reasons. Granted, there isn't a large sample size of Fluttershy wanting stuff. But in the two examples I can think of (ticket episode and dress episode) she is as passive as possible about getting what she wants, and both times has to be prodded into asking in the first place.
The only way I can rationalize it in my mind is if she was so hyped that she fabricated the relationships she thought she was going to have with the animals beforehand. When those fantasies didn't materialize, she went to drastic measures to try to preserve them. But beside the "stern talking to" to "off the deep end crazy" jump, it still doesn't make a lot of sense. It would be like if Bruce Banner punched himself in the face so that he got angry and turned into hulk so that he could rob a Jewelry store.
The bad different characterization of Fluttershy in that episode leads the list of reasons why that was the only episode that I didn't like. But I may just be overly bitter about that episode. From Ep 7 on Fluttershy was far and away my favorite, but after that episode I'm not sure. Depending on the day I can make argument for any of the mane 6 being my favorite (except Rarity. Sorry Rarity fans, I don't see what you like in her ) When I put thought into it I have to stick with Fluttershy in the end, but I feel a lot more uneasy about that pick than I once did.
Best line: "But that's what I've been trying to tell-"
More enjoyable the second time around... but no drastic changes or anything, so this is brief. Only thing I have to say is about another episode: I'm starting to think that the way Fluttershy acted in the final episode really is within the bounds of her character. It makes sense that her wanting something so bad would mess with her natural charm, and her screaming "WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME" is extremely unusual for her... but we're just so unused to her being vocal that it might've seemed impossible.
I disagree that Ep. 26 Fluttershy was in character. She only got assertive under a specific set of prerequisites: there has to be an external threat, it has to threaten others that she cares about, and "the stare" is a last resort. I liked that. But in 26 not only was there a huge leap from "stern talking to" to "off the deep end crazy," but it was for completely personal reasons. Granted, there isn't a large sample size of Fluttershy wanting stuff. But in the two examples I can think of (ticket episode and dress episode) she is as passive as possible about getting what she wants, and both times has to be prodded into asking in the first place.
The only way I can rationalize it in my mind is if she was so hyped that she fabricated the relationships she thought she was going to have with the animals beforehand. When those fantasies didn't materialize, she went to drastic measures to try to preserve them. But beside the "stern talking to" to "off the deep end crazy" jump, it still doesn't make a lot of sense. It would be like if Bruce Banner punched himself in the face so that he got angry and turned into hulk so that he could rob a Jewelry store.
The bad different characterization of Fluttershy in that episode leads the list of reasons why that was the only episode that I didn't like. But I may just be overly bitter about that episode. From Ep 7 on Fluttershy was far and away my favorite, but after that episode I'm not sure. Depending on the day I can make argument for any of the mane 6 being my favorite (except Rarity. Sorry Rarity fans, I don't see what you like in her ) When I put thought into it I have to stick with Fluttershy in the end, but I feel a lot more uneasy about that pick than I once did.
Anyways, I didn't find any fault with her behavior, because no matter who you are, you are bound to get frustrated from time to time. Normally, Fluttershy is not assertive because she is never 100 percent certain of herself and never willing to go beyond her comfort zone. However, in the final episodes, she could not communicate or even get the trust of the critters in the garden. This was well within her comfort zone and something she believed she was the best at. Fluttershy obviously has some sorts of insecurities and when she found that the only thing she was good at instantly pulled under her, she freaked out. I dont find this to be out of character or surprising. Instead, it makes her more "human".
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Also, gonna throw this in here for fun . The guys that put this together watched frame by frame to check for all these bloopers, and even still people found things they missed!
EDIT EDIT: some plz teach me to embed vids T.T. I r so fail
Best line: "But that's what I've been trying to tell-"
More enjoyable the second time around... but no drastic changes or anything, so this is brief. Only thing I have to say is about another episode: I'm starting to think that the way Fluttershy acted in the final episode really is within the bounds of her character. It makes sense that her wanting something so bad would mess with her natural charm, and her screaming "WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME" is extremely unusual for her... but we're just so unused to her being vocal that it might've seemed impossible.
I disagree that Ep. 26 Fluttershy was in character. She only got assertive under a specific set of prerequisites: there has to be an external threat, it has to threaten others that she cares about, and "the stare" is a last resort. I liked that. But in 26 not only was there a huge leap from "stern talking to" to "off the deep end crazy," but it was for completely personal reasons. Granted, there isn't a large sample size of Fluttershy wanting stuff. But in the two examples I can think of (ticket episode and dress episode) she is as passive as possible about getting what she wants, and both times has to be prodded into asking in the first place.
The only way I can rationalize it in my mind is if she was so hyped that she fabricated the relationships she thought she was going to have with the animals beforehand. When those fantasies didn't materialize, she went to drastic measures to try to preserve them. But beside the "stern talking to" to "off the deep end crazy" jump, it still doesn't make a lot of sense. It would be like if Bruce Banner punched himself in the face so that he got angry and turned into hulk so that he could rob a Jewelry store.
The bad different characterization of Fluttershy in that episode leads the list of reasons why that was the only episode that I didn't like. But I may just be overly bitter about that episode. From Ep 7 on Fluttershy was far and away my favorite, but after that episode I'm not sure. Depending on the day I can make argument for any of the mane 6 being my favorite (except Rarity. Sorry Rarity fans, I don't see what you like in her ) When I put thought into it I have to stick with Fluttershy in the end, but I feel a lot more uneasy about that pick than I once did.
Anyways, I didn't find any fault with her behavior, because no matter who you are, you are bound to get frustrated from time to time. Normally, Fluttershy is not assertive because she is never 100 percent certain of herself and never willing to go beyond her comfort zone. However, in the final episodes, she could not communicate or even get the trust of the critters in the garden. This was well within her comfort zone and something she believed she was the best at. Fluttershy obviously has some sorts of insecurities and when she found that the only thing she was good at instantly pulled under her, she freaked out. I dont find this to be out of character or surprising. Instead, it makes her more "human".
Fluttershy is very shy around ponies, but she has a great companionship with the wild animals. For some odd reason, though, the creatures at the Gala were unresponsive to her and scared of her. She has shown frustration in the past too, but at things less important to her. Also understand that her cutie mark comes from her link with creatures. The cutie mark pretty much defines who she is. So not only was her dream to see the creatures in the gardens, but communicating and befriending wildlife is part of who she is as a pony. Aside from her 5 best friends, she probably appreciates the wildlife company more than ponies.
There is no real benchmark to gauge how she would act in such a situation. I think she does have an angry side, she is very introverted and that is not beyond reason, in fact, something like that was common for me when I was younger, although less comical to say the least, and I was extremely shy as well so I can relate to her in that sense.
Of course I know there is an underlying reason of comedy there, because we just don't expect someone like Fluttershy to have a major outburst. But I don't think it's really out of character because we all assume she is gentle all the time. Usually with real life, a person is never just one trait (gentle/rough, glum/cheery) but a combination of different traits depending on the situation.
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) When I put thought into it I have to stick with Fluttershy in the end, but I feel a lot more uneasy about that pick than I once did.
. The guys that put this together watched frame by frame to check for all these bloopers, and even still people found things they missed!
