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My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic - Page 455
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Camail
United States1030 Posts
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nohbrows
United States653 Posts
Some really good posts from today's Drawfriend: ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8Xl_0FUAz6U/TzCArGhiUQI/AAAAAAAAd5s/A3OhsFxB-TI/s640/126423+-+artist+fongsaunder+battlefield_3+Battlefriend_3+derpy_hooves+parody+soarin+spitfire+teamwork_is_magic+wonderbolts.png) ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FURaxfV2GiA/TzCAr4DGiwI/AAAAAAAAd50/gnSUnZ6lpiM/s1600/come_at_me_bro__by_2snacks-d4nlsx9.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-61cBgBYnt7E/TzCBBCVkgpI/AAAAAAAAd-E/t3TXA8Gclpg/s1600/126596+-+angel+artist+raikoh14+carrot+crossover+presto+Trixie.png) ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-25DOONwdpd4/TzCA8j2jxGI/AAAAAAAAd9c/wyZvJe7qp8I/s1600/126402+-+artist+fogsaunder+battlefield_3+Battlefriend_3+bf3+Canterlot_Border+parody+soarin+spitfire+wonderbolts+You_can_kill_the_tower_in_the_latest_patch.png) ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2XLDjqutSJw/TzCAvcDfrmI/AAAAAAAAd6k/t40e1vUVx0E/s1600/cmcs_all_grown_up_by_laweegie-d4o5dom.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WmvL-frklGs/TzCBBxaKQjI/AAAAAAAAd-M/ASXX2SnfMiw/s1600/126536+-+artist+fongsaunder+derpy_hooves+doctor_hooves+duplicate+luna+tardis+twilight_sparkle.png) ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ByFfH3CLlro/TzCAv3m5X4I/AAAAAAAAd6s/e8_EQEUFblQ/s1600/pinkie_pie_by_crimson_pegasus_7-d4oumh9.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jB7-vnWOUCQ/TzCAytheR9I/AAAAAAAAd7k/IYfLBSZcHto/s1600/flutter_yay_by_123hamster-d4otil7.jpg) | ||
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
On February 07 2012 09:57 StarStrider wrote: @[Agony]x90 Wow. Wowowow. So well said. A very succinct and post, but with so much depth and clarification and truthiness. I see what you're saying on every point you made. And all with no degradation into the mud. Nice. I detect an experienced internet debater, or at least one who was into debate in high school/college ;D Do you have any recommendations into reading materials on cult psychology? I would be very interested in those. Unfortunately I never studied the subject directly, but indirectly when looking at Roman culture during the Empire times, the stone masons as a myth and the underground comix groups. All of these were just sections from larger readings or topics. There's a bit of Freudian psychology in this as well. Concepts of taboo, phantasy, hidden desires, etc. all of which, Freud argues, is highly demanded by man, but strictly prohibited by society. Of course he wrote with late 1800/ early 1900 Europe in mind. Things that were taboo then are not the same as today and in fact, there are a lot things that were once taboo that are being combated and breached today. Homosexuality, transsexualism, cannibus consumption, premarital sex, masturbation, pornography, shifts in political correctness, etc. All these things were considered very taboo, even during the 90's. If you watch Ms. Doubtfire, it's very interesting how freely they utilize cross dressing for comedic effect. However, at the very end of the movie, Ms. Doubtfire is talking about how families don't always have a mommy and a daddy, but instead might have just a daddy, or just a mommy. Or maybe families in two different places. He does not, however, mention transgender or homosexual couples... at all! In a 21st century mindset, this is almost appalling, but when you consider the 90's, these things were hardly a concern, because homosexuals marrying and transgender were extremely taboo when compared to today. This also applies to MLP:FiM, because of anime. I spoke to my friend on the subject, who claimed it was surprising that so many American's enjoy MLP:FiM. I retorted with the fact that many Japanese people enjoy cartoons of similar style (I personally equate MLP:FiM as the closest thing western animation has to Japanese anime). She replied back that it's in the Japanese culture to allow those things, but not in the western culture. That gave me a bit to think about, but now my natural retort would be that anime is quickly becoming a norm, even for western culture. Many people know pokemon and DBZ and reference them all the time. With the internet and with time, more and more people are going to discover Far East animation and entertainment. Is it still considered taboo? In many ways, yes. Many westerners and Americans will question the value and worth of anime, especially because the existence of hentai and all the other creepy stuff that come with anime. However, if you say you watch anime, it won't get the same "He's a wapanese" response as it did in the early 1990's, very much like the case with the question of sexuality. At the very least, this is my excuse. My brother argues with me from time to time how great weed is and how it should be legalized. Since I personally don't care for it, I'll just counter his "once taboo culture" with my own. However, if your side of the argument wins, StarStrider, then a counter culture can quickly reduce the interest or freedom to watch MLP. But given the amount of momentum it has now, I highly doubt this will happen. | ||
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Camail
United States1030 Posts
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pettter
Sweden1032 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
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Camail
United States1030 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 07 2012 15:13 pettter wrote: + Show Spoiler + Relevant to the recent discussion about stigma etc. Wow that really speaks. Something to think about. | ||
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Gary Oak
Canada2381 Posts
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Klyberess
Sweden345 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On February 07 2012 09:25 StarStrider wrote: @Klyberness Semantics on one word. Please view it in light of my whole post, and you'll understand that the word 'accept' was intended to mean 'accept the brony mindset for myself' ie, 'become a brony'. Not: 'I don't accept you as a person or bronies as a community based on your strange interest.' Your 2nd response is much more blatantly aggressive than I could imagine you perceive my passive agression as being (I don't know where you're getting that. Are you judging me based on previous critical posters?). You seem to think that I am feigning politeness to try to avoid offending the mods, while still trolling the ever-loving mess out of you. That's not the case at all. In the parameters of your analogy, I don't subscribe to the "homosexuality is a sin" view at all. But the analogy doesn't work, because we're talking about a hobby, and not a part of who you are as a person. Correct usage of words is of great importance when trying to hold a productive discussion. You can't disparage it for being "semantics". It was not at all clear that what you meant by "accept bronyism" was "become a brony". You mean that when you wrote that you couldn't "understand or accept bronyism", you meant that you couldn't understand why anyone would become a brony, and that you yourself could not? Write what you mean, please. Don't make us interpret it. I also did not claim that you think homosexuality is a sin. The comparison is fine because I didn't compare hobbies to sexual preference, I compared your "I don't judge, but others will" to the "We don't judge, but God will". It's not a perfect analogy by any means, but it does have a point. On February 07 2012 09:25 StarStrider wrote: I even understand that friends who would judge you based on this interest aren't the kind of friends you want. Fair. What about a relationship with a girl that could have been your perfect soulmate for all you know, had it not been for the ponies? Again we go back to ' 'if she can't accept this then she isn't openminded enough for my taste to begin with.' How is it reasonable to not want friends who would judge you based on a TV series you like, but not reasonable to not want a girl/boy-friend who would judge you based on a TV series you like? On February 07 2012 09:25 StarStrider wrote: You can call it cowardice, but I would prefer to see it as a cost-benefit analysis. Are you telling me that this hobby is that much of a dealbreaker? If so, wow, obsessive doesn't do it justice. If not, then why take the risk, even if you know you're in the right? That's what I don't understand. I know the scenarios I presented are 1 in 1000, but just humor me for the point I'm trying to make. I guess that's your answer. You pick your hobbies/interests/passions depending on how much they will benefit you. Others do not. Am I telling you that I will not reject the things I enjoy because other people do not share my views? Yes! That is true of most of my opinions/preferences, by the way, not just ponies. I guess I'm more than obsessive about everything, then? On February 07 2012 09:25 StarStrider wrote: I know there's nothing but innocence and fun of MLP community. But the ignorant passerby does not. So that leaves it to the brony to: a) educate about your passion - to justify it; b) to hide it - whether in shame, or avoidance of judgment or the task having to explain it; or c) to reject this passion out of avoidance of future impressions you may make on people. This is some strange reasoning. It does not follow that if I do not educate random strangers on why I'm a fan of a certain show, or hide the fact that I am, I must reject my fondness of it. On February 07 2012 09:25 StarStrider wrote: If not, then why take the risk, even if you know you're in the right? That's what I don't understand. I know the scenarios I presented are 1 in 1000, but just humor me for the point I'm trying to make. Why not believe in Christianity? The chances of a hell existing may be 1:100000000000, but hey, why take the risk? (same goes for many other religions) By your own logic, you should look at the various religions available, then try to follow as many as possible in order to maximize your chances to avoid hellfire (or equivalent). (See Pascal's wager) Is the thought that many of us do not think in this way foreign to you? It seems to me that your argument has little to do with ponies, and more to do with whether we should let social stigmas decide what we do/like/etc. Also, as an aside, I am a fan of many things, including other shows targeted mostly at children, but none of them have the community that MLP does. As for the cost-benefit argument, I'll say that I have yet to run into any kind of harassment or repercussions for being a brony, while the benefits have been great. Not only does the show, #tlponies, and all the pony art cheer me up and inspire me, I've gained new friends as well. | ||
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FnF
Finland200 Posts
On February 07 2012 09:57 StarStrider wrote: @[Agony]x90 Wow. Wowowow. So well said. A very succinct and post, but with so much depth and clarification and truthiness. I see what you're saying on every point you made. And all with no degradation into the mud. Nice. I detect an experienced internet debater, or at least one who was into debate in high school/college ;D Do you have any recommendations into reading materials on cult psychology? I would be very interested in those. "It's mob-mentality counter-culture. Case closed." Just… no. Writing it off as as some kind of an ideological movement fad may be the easiest for an observer to accept and understand, but that doesn't make it the truth and reason for everything. Single issues can fan the masses into torches and pitchforks for a week or two, but stable fandoms don't just pop out of the ground as some marvels of groupthink. While the social aspects are the glue in these things, sticking more and more people together without a solid framework underneath is a lost cause. On February 07 2012 09:25 StarStrider wrote: @FnF Then why? Why do you watch? Throughout your posts I get the impression that you're watching the show in much the same way a professional critic would. Detached and analytical. Evaluating the plot-lines, deconstructing the characters, comparing the production values. All in all, looking for things that stand out as justifications for taking the time to catch an episode. 'Cause it's how most shows work. By drawing your attention with cool or interesting stuff happening. They're story-driven. It's how they work because they want to pick you up for their ratings, not sell you a Dr. Gregory House, M.D. toy figure. (EDIT: In retrospect that's a pretty poor example, as House is actually a rare character-driven adult show, but the point stands since he's fun to watch because of how unlikeable he is. Bad business for toys nevertheless.) But then who buy toys? Kids buy toys. How do you sell a kid a toy? Make them like what the toy represents. How? Make a TV show around what the toys represent. What do toys represent? Characters. Characters. That's the beating heart of a kids' show. Everything these kinds of shows do revolves around getting the audience to not just be entertained by, but to like their characters. They're character-driven. But adults don't buy toys, and kids can't tell gold from yellow snow, so the path of least resistance bulldozes its way right through these shows' quality departments. But what if it doesn't? What if a character-driven show doesn't just "get it over with" and default to plastic kids-do-kids'-stuff? You get something with all the character attachment and brand loyalty of a kids' show and the capability to be taken seriously by more mature audiences. Consider this: How many shows can you name that both 1) are driven by their characters as opposed to action and/or comedy, and 2) focus on young adults as opposed to teens or children? I usually describe FiM to people who've never heard of it as "Harry Potter: The Animated Series". It's a colorful, distinct cast of quirky and enjoyable characters in a D&D-esque world-building setting. No college humor, no high-school drama, no educational BS. You could almost call it nerdy, and not because of Ms. T. Sparkle. TL;DR: It's about hanging out and watching your favorite characters do stuff. It's D&D, but with girls. | ||
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nohbrows
United States653 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
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FoxyMayhem
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Zoundsforsook
Scotland636 Posts
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Saurabhinator
Australia347 Posts
Rarely does any of the pony fan art I see seem to approach on the kind of art I like. Maybe it's because of the fact that it's derived from the painting of a master, but this is one of the cases where I feel like I am being challenged. The urge for me to get back into making pony fanart and 1UP this piece is high. I didn't take myself to feel this competetive in regards to pony fanart. | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
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Tuthur
France985 Posts
On February 07 2012 19:25 Devolved wrote: Anyone else notice in this last episode they stole someone's fan art and changed it around for the book cover? I wouldn't use the word "stealing", and even if it's intentional I would call it an hommage or a reference to the fandom, I'd be pretty humbled to see it in the actual show if I drew that piece of art. | ||
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FnF
Finland200 Posts
On February 07 2012 19:25 Devolved wrote: Anyone else notice in this last episode they stole someone's fan art and changed it around for the book cover? It's an iconic adventure composition, so no, chances are slim they "stole" anything. Having said that, it is still amusing enough to have been pointed out four separate times in the thread so far. | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On February 07 2012 19:40 FnF wrote: It's an iconic adventure composition, so no, chances are slim they "stole" anything. Having said that, it is still amusing enough to have been pointed out four separate times in the thread so far. Ok, well I guess I'm slow. And shouldn't have used the word steal, but I think it was done on purpose, especially since that fan-art seems to be one of the more popular/better done ones. Also, what makes it an iconic adventure composition? Where else has this image been used? | ||
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