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MONXY FIST
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Geo.Rion
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skyrunner
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On April 04 2012 07:00 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: Everyone needs to keep in mind that in the books we only know what is seen through POV of the character of that Chapter. So inless Davos was keeping an eye on the love making we would never had seen them bang. I think it's interesting how were going to actually see what Robb does without having to look through Cat's eyes. Well, see and see... You're not saying that you will take what you're seeing on the show as canon? They have the same material to work with as we do, the rest is just guesswork or doing whatever the hell they like. Sure they George to answer them questions, but he is not there to micromanage every little detail. As long as the outcome stay somewhat the same he wont interfere, and how it all happens is up to the HBO writers. On another note, they're really starting to make changes now -.- LF was already ruined as a carachter in season 1 but now they're doing it even worse imo. A huge part of what makes the books so good is that you DON'T see everything. Alot of things are there in the text, but only hinted at and you have to work it out for yourself. Why can't they do the same in the show? They're getting rid of alot of small things and pushing hard on others. So much heavy-handed writing. I understand that it's a different medium and that they have to cut stuff. but still it's very rewarding when you realize one of those things that are not written right out. If you put a bunch of them in people are gonna see atleast some of them. But no, instead it's just RENLY AND LORAS ARE GAY! SEE EVERYONE THEY ARE LOVERS! DO YOU SEE?!?! WE ARE HBO!!! Stannis fucks Melisandre in the second episode, Jon sneaks off and sees when Craster delivers a baby to the Others lol is this Game of Thrones or Lost? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 04 2012 07:41 skyrunner wrote: Well, see and see... You're not saying that you will take what you're seeing on the show as canon? They have the same material to work with as we do, the rest is just guesswork or doing whatever the hell they like. Sure they George to answer them questions, but he is not there to micromanage every little detail. As long as the outcome stay somewhat the same he wont interfere, and how it all happens is up to the HBO writers. On another note, they're really starting to make changes now -.- LF was already ruined as a carachter in season 1 but now they're doing it even worse imo. A huge part of what makes the books so good is that you DON'T see everything. Alot of things are there in the text, but only hinted at and you have to work it out for yourself. Why can't they do the same in the show? They're getting rid of alot of small things and pushing hard on others. So much heavy-handed writing. I understand that it's a different medium and that they have to cut stuff. but still it's very rewarding when you realize one of those things that are not written right out. If you put a bunch of them in people are gonna see atleast some of them. But no, instead it's just RENLY AND LORAS ARE GAY! SEE EVERYONE THEY ARE LOVERS! DO YOU SEE?!?! WE ARE HBO!!! Stannis fucks Melisandre in the second episode, Jon sneaks off and sees when Craster delivers a baby to the Others lol is this Game of Thrones or Lost? Because visualizing things is what a TV series is about. And dont forget that many are watching this that have not read the books. From what I heard it is already pretty confusing now for those. Actually they should have simplified things more than they did now to make it possible for the average viewer to follow. If you just hint at things noone will get it anyway except for book readers. You have to actually show it to make people realize that it happened. Also many things are directly explained in the books via the inner monologues of the protagonists. That is just not possible in a TV series. Because of that I would say there are much more things left unexplained in the TV series than in the books. | ||
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skyrunner
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On April 04 2012 07:52 Redox wrote: Because visualizing things is what a TV series is about. And dont forget that many are watching this that have not read the books. From what I heard it is already pretty confusing now for those. Actually they should have simplified things more than they did now to make it possible for the average viewer to follow. If you just hint at things noone will get it anyway except for book readers. You have to actually show it to make people realize that it happened. Also many things are directly explained in the books via the inner monologues of the protagonists. That is just not possible in a TV series. Because of that I would say there are much more things left unexplained in the TV series than in the books. As I said im aware that TV and books are two different mediums. Im not expecting tv TV show to be exact as the books because i know it's impossible. The books are very subtle in some aspects. If you translate that work into another medium and you lose the subtelty you have failed. The plost is already hard to follow for the ones that hasn't read the book, i agree with that. That is no reason dumb it down, because if you do then where do you stop? Make twilight out of all of it? Now what im talking about has actually nothing to do with the plot. Alot of people that read the book has no idea that Loras and Renly is a gay couple. Because it is not spelled out in the books. It's not important to the plot at all either. The reader/viewer doesn't need to know it. So how about you take a guess about why the TV show did this? There is no need to bastardize a carachter like LF. GRRM's carachters are fantastical enough, and imo even he goes overboard sometimes. LF in the TV show is just a ridculous pimp, peeping in at his customers, confronting Cersei in last episode, threatening the whore in the last one. They are actually adding/emphasizing stuff that don't need to be there and that makes it more complicated. When I read the books I didn't understand things at once, and i still don't know the difference between the dothrakis except for khal drogo. Why does it have to be different in the tv show? | ||
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N1k0
Uruguay1075 Posts
On April 04 2012 03:35 Maginor wrote: Them banging was implied in the books. Note that the shadow babies are described to look like Stannis, so they are his children in a sense. Yes, but there's difference on fucking for creating the shadow, and fucking because of lust. Stannis is portraited like an extremely honorable man and this goes against the core of the character. When its to create a shadow is sort of justifiable, like an end that justifies the mean sort of thing, but i just feel that Stannis will never "dishonor" himself by forsaking his marriage bows just because he wants to fuck Melisandre. Maybe i'm wrong, but that's the feeling i got from reading the books. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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 also, yeah, Gilly tells Sam and Jon about Crester's sons, and Jon hints to the Lord Commander about it, who then confirms it, and says all the rangers know he gives his sons to the gods, however they (the rangers) obviously dont know that it s the White Walkers. And, i was sure Mellisandre and Stannis had sex to create that shadow thing, it's arguably the biggest magic in the series so far, not just because of its nature, but as it acts as a "deus ex machina" it totally offsets the course of the war, which was pretty damn clear, there wasnt much hope for anyone but Renly, who would have taken King's Landing and probably Robb would have given up the kingship when he sees he has no chance and Renly punishes the Lannisters (at least that was pretty much the only rational course of actions unless suddenly Dorne or the Vale jumps into the war for no good reason) | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On April 04 2012 17:51 Geo.Rion wrote: Uhm, i kinda feel bad they've changed up the Tyrion scene on the small council meeting when they talk about the Night's Watch, i the books he handles that problem, another one and makes it look mockery, very Tyrion-ish, in the episode he acted like an honorable and straight man I hope Thorne will show up later and Tyrion will handle that like in the book. It will be a plot hole if they don't since they made it clear last season that Thorne was headed for Kings Landing. | ||
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mmp
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Hipinretku
Finland88 Posts
On April 04 2012 21:38 Maginor wrote: I hope Thorne will show up later and Tyrion will handle that like in the book. It will be a plot hole if they don't since they made it clear last season that Thorne was headed for Kings Landing. Also Thorne ends up in the Wall with Janos Slynt eventually so it would indeed be weird if it's just skipped in the show. | ||
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elt
Thailand1092 Posts
On April 04 2012 21:38 Maginor wrote: I hope Thorne will show up later and Tyrion will handle that like in the book. It will be a plot hole if they don't since they made it clear last season that Thorne was headed for Kings Landing. As much as it goes against the 'grey' characters in the books I think they're trying to 'clean up' Tyrion because he's a main character that drives the story forward. I think the producers are afraid of making him too despicable like everyone else in case they drive viewers away. Unfortunate, but that's what happens when you move between mediums. As for the dumbing down and reducing number of characters... When I watch with my friends they already pause every couple of minutes to ask who this is or that is because some people get so little screen time it's impossible to leave a lasting impression. | ||
Falling
Canada11510 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:54 elt wrote: As much as it goes against the 'grey' characters in the books I think they're trying to 'clean up' Tyrion because he's a main character that drives the story forward. I think the producers are afraid of making him too despicable like everyone else in case they drive viewers away. Unfortunate, but that's what happens when you move between mediums. ^That's probably true. Up until now, I had actually forgotten how much I hated book Tyrion. Or in fact despised most of GRRM's characters. I didn't find them 'grey' so much as repulsive- except Barristan. The little I saw of him was awesome. But new Tyrion I rather like. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
On April 05 2012 02:50 Falling wrote: ^That's probably true. Up until now, I had actually forgotten how much I hated book Tyrion. Or in fact despised most of GRRM's characters. I didn't find them 'grey' so much as repulsive- except Barristan. The little I saw of him was awesome. But new Tyrion I rather like. Ah Barristan. Arguably the only character more honorable than Eddard. Can't stand him lol. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:54 elt wrote: As much as it goes against the 'grey' characters in the books I think they're trying to 'clean up' Tyrion because he's a main character that drives the story forward. I think the producers are afraid of making him too despicable like everyone else in case they drive viewers away. Unfortunate, but that's what happens when you move between mediums. As for the dumbing down and reducing number of characters... When I watch with my friends they already pause every couple of minutes to ask who this is or that is because some people get so little screen time it's impossible to leave a lasting impression. With the particular book scene we were talking about, Tyrion actually managed to send men and equipment to the watch while still ridiculing Thorne and appearing to not care about the watch. (He did not care very much for the watch's request though, but he still respected Commander Mormont). It portrayed him as a more skilled player than that particular scene in ep 2. In the tv scene he says things that he should know the other councilors will be able to use to ridicule him and thus lessens his grip on the council. But it is not a big complaint. I just hope Thorne shows up in KL at some point. | ||
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Falling
Canada11510 Posts
On April 05 2012 03:09 SilverLeagueElite wrote: Ah Barristan. Arguably the only character more honorable than Eddard. Can't stand him lol. I didn't think Eddard was honourable. He was Lawful Stupid. Although at time I rather liked him, ignoring how cold he was all the time. But in retrospect, a lot of Eddard's decisions didn't make much sense even if one is trying to be 'honourable.' I understand Barristan is back, so who knows what GRRM's done to him, but after the first book he kinda escaped attention and therefore death. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Is it explained anywhere why they look so much alike? It implies that Arya is a bastard, but iirc Lady Stark asserts that she's one of hers and treats her well. I like these two, GRRM better not kill them :| | ||
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Sprungjeezy
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moopie
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On April 05 2012 09:30 myopia wrote: I got a question about Jon + Arya + Show Spoiler + Is it explained anywhere why they look so much alike? It implies that Arya is a bastard, but iirc Lady Stark asserts that she's one of hers and treats her well. I like these two, GRRM better not kill them :| It doesn't imply that at all. Arya has the Stark looks. Dark hair, long face and grey eyes. Jon also has the Stark looks (which make sense regardless of if he's really Eddard's son or Lyanna's). Robb, Sansa and Bran have more prominent Tully features (Auburn hair and blue eyes). Jon was also very close with Robb not just Arya. | ||
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myopia
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