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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
This is under the assumption that actually happened, I read the series last summer so might have forgotten some | ||
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Leth0
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On April 03 2012 06:32 Maginor wrote: Jojen and Meera are not in this season. They may be introduced the next season. It seems like parts of the Winterfell storyline (including Ramsay) have been postponed. How do you know this? | ||
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Ikonn
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redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:33 bjwithbraces wrote: It's a minor detail, but in the book didn't the Maester of Dragonstone offer Melissandre the cup to drink from first? Then she did and when she wasn't affected she handed the cup back to him to drink and he did despite knowing he'd die? I think they could have filmed a much more intense scene with the Maester trembling as he receives the cup and has to take a drink knowing full well what is going to happen. This is under the assumption that actually happened, I read the series last summer so might have forgotten some That was an incredible scene. Actually almost all of Melissandre's scenes (in the books) are really top notch. When I re-read the books I usually use the X-ray feature to find her and Arya. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On April 03 2012 08:33 redviper wrote: I think what actually made it really really good was the build-up to it and the fact that it was the end of a prologue. It was a very very fitting prologue end. That was an incredible scene. Actually almost all of Melissandre's scenes (in the books) are really top notch. When I re-read the books I usually use the X-ray feature to find her and Arya. | ||
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Ace
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CarelessPride
United States146 Posts
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happyness
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
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Fulla
United Kingdom519 Posts
- Did Littlefinger, confront Cersei like that in the book? Seemed very strange. - Why are they mass killing babies/children at the end? - Why on earth up in the north is a whole scared of some old man with 100 wives? They can do whatever they want what can he do about it? Instead he threatens them with empty threats and they sh*t themselves and obey? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Likewise, as we know from future events Cersei's major weakness is that while she thinks she's in control of things she can't recognize when she doesn't hold the cards and is essentially a pawn. Of all the people to throw that out the window for, Littlefinger is the least likely person for it to make sense. The mass killings were based on Joffrey realizing his father had bastard children around. Just to be safe from future claims to the throne, he had the Gold Cloaks kill them all. Might even be that he may believe the rumors about Cersei and Jaime being his parents. As for the third question, they aren't scared of Craster. In fact, some of the Night's Watch resent him. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On April 03 2012 09:56 Fulla wrote: Some questions if anyone is willing to answer: - Did Littlefinger, confront Cersei like that in the book? Seemed very strange. - Why are they mass killing babies/children at the end? - Why on earth up in the north is a whole scared of some old man with 100 wives? They can do whatever they want what can he do about it? Instead he threatens them with empty threats and they sh*t themselves and obey? No, he did not. And I honestly really hated that scene. It's a complete misrepresentation of both of their characters. They're Robert's bastards. Do you want me to fully spoil it for you? If not, thing about the convos regarding his sons. edit: Heres' why + Show Spoiler + He sacrifices his sons to the Others | ||
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skyrunner
371 Posts
On April 03 2012 09:56 Fulla wrote: - Did Littlefinger, confront Cersei like that in the book? Seemed very strange. Yes, completely made up. Did not happen in the book. I feel it is out of carachter for LF to do such a thing, and Cersei isn't that smart in the book. If it happend in the books then it happend off screen and we won't know about it. - Why are they mass killing babies/children at the end? It's roberts bastards. Iircc that did happen in the book, but not executed in the same way. I suppose it is because Stannis sent out that letter about how Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen are not Robert's children therefore Cersei is trying to cover that up. Also we could see that they sent guards after the smith apprentice that is with Arya on their way north. So probably they want to us to realize how much in danger he is. - Why on earth up in the north is a whole scared of some old man with 100 wives? They can do whatever they want what can he do about it? Instead he threatens them with empty threats and they sh*t themselves and obey? They're not really scared. But there are two reasons. There is something in westeros called "guest right", wich means that if you let someone in to your house and let them eat they're considered your guests. Doing harm to your guests is really bad in the eyes of the gods and society as a whole kinda shun you for it. It's very "dishonourable". It's the same for guests to take your food then stab you in the back. As Mormont says "It's your roof, it's your rules". And since craster is crazy they don't want to do anything to upset him. Second of all, he is considered a "friend to the watch". Now he doesn't really like the night watch (as you can clearly see) but he doesn't like the other wildlings either. So he helps the Night Watch when they come around (give them food, a roof and information), obviously he wants something in return, like the axe and the wine in this episode. | ||
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Enhancer_
Canada320 Posts
On April 03 2012 06:33 bjwithbraces wrote: It's a minor detail, but in the book didn't the Maester of Dragonstone offer Melissandre the cup to drink from first? Then she did and when she wasn't affected she handed the cup back to him to drink and he did despite knowing he'd die? I think they could have filmed a much more intense scene with the Maester trembling as he receives the cup and has to take a drink knowing full well what is going to happen. This is under the assumption that actually happened, I read the series last summer so might have forgotten some It makes more sense for TV to do it this way. In the book, readers know that Melissandre knows the wine is poisened. In the show, there's really no good way to accurately convey this. When Melissandre sees the Maester bleeding and choking after drinking and still downs the rest of the cup anyways, you know that she knows, and learn that she's not a woman to mess with. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
So I posted this in another thread, but they coninued talking about book5+++ stuff. So how'd you guys like teh new episode of the show? I think it's all been super well done, from what I remember. Only things that bother me are some really small things: 1) Osha saying the comet means dragons. That was Old Nan, damnit! Her being the only one to get that right just added to her... interesting-ness. Y'know? The ageless lady who knew things she shoudln't know. 2) The hound doesnt fight with a mace, afaik, although that's not really a problem at all. 3) Jorah calling Dany 'Blood of my blood,' along with Rhakaro. Were bloodriders ever explained in the show? 'Cause I don't remmeber them ever going over that. And I'm pretty sure Jorah was never one. 4) Again, minor, but the terms o conditions didn't include asking for Ice back. Have... have they ever in this show even mentioned Ice by name? The wolves -- or at least Grey Wind -- look awesome. | ||
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MONXY FIST
United States142 Posts
On April 03 2012 10:39 Crazyeyes wrote: Yep, mostly with Craster they're just being nice. He's a dick and he's creepy but it's a mututally benificial relationship. So I posted this in another thread, but they coninued talking about book5+++ stuff. So how'd you guys like teh new episode of the show? I think it's all been super well done, from what I remember. Only things that bother me are some really small things: 1) Osha saying the comet means dragons. That was Old Nan, damnit! Her being the only one to get that right just added to her... interesting-ness. Y'know? The ageless lady who knew things she shoudln't know. 2) The hound doesnt fight with a mace, afaik, although that's not really a problem at all. 3) Jorah calling Dany 'Blood of my blood,' along with Rhakaro. Were bloodriders ever explained in the show? 'Cause I don't remmeber them ever going over that. And I'm pretty sure Jorah was never one. 4) Again, minor, but the terms o conditions didn't include asking for Ice back. Have... have they ever in this show even mentioned Ice by name? The wolves -- or at least Grey Wind -- look awesome. The actress who played Old Nan died thats prolly why Osha said it. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
Also, why did Mormont get mad at Jon? Jon did nothing wrong. Hell, he barely did anything at all. In related news, another small thing: He weras longclaw on his belt; in the book it was too long and he had to wear it on his back. I never realized how nit picky I am. | ||
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moopie
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On April 03 2012 10:12 Ace wrote: The mass killings were based on Joffrey realizing his father had bastard children around. Just to be safe from future claims to the throne, he had the Gold Cloaks kill them all. Might even be that he may believe the rumors about Cersei and Jaime being his parents. It's Cersei who has Robert's bastards killed, not Joffrey. iirc, in the book he's not even aware of Stannis's allegations of incest because Cersei hides the rumors from him. Cersei kills off the bastards to both hide the truth (so nobody else can examine them) and to stop someone from using them as pawns to rally armies around. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
On April 03 2012 10:49 moopie wrote: It's Cersei who has Robert's bastards killed, not Joffrey. iirc, in the book he's not even aware of Stannis's allegations of incest because Cersei hides the rumors from him. Cersei kills off the bastards to both hide the truth (so nobody else can examine them and see their hair color) and to stop someone from using them as pawns to rally armies around. Keywords: in the book. It was definitely Joffrey in the show. He realizes that his 'father' has been sleeping around and does something about it. Are you sure that Joffrey never knew in the books? I don't remember him ever talking about it but it seems it'd be difficult to keep such a rumor quiet fromt he goddamn king. I wonder how they'll take it now, since he's clearly aware. | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On April 03 2012 10:52 Crazyeyes wrote: Keywords: in the book. It was definitely Joffrey in the show. He realizes that his 'father' has been sleeping around and does something about it. Are you sure that Joffrey never knew in the books? I don't remember him ever talking about it but it seems it'd be difficult to keep such a rumor quiet fromt he goddamn king. I wonder how they'll take it now, since he's clearly aware. In the books, Joffrey (all the kids for that matter) are much younger (14 iirc), therefore more gullible and susceptible to the lie. I'm fairly sure it was Cersei in the book as she sees the throne as being hers and not Joffreys. (Joffrey isnt even technically the king yet because he has not come of age) | ||
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