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Hexe
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KadaverBB
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Why did Stannis ally himself with Melisandre? She just some day shows up at Dragonstone preaching foreign religion, why does Stannis care at all? Stannis doesn't seem to be a man who would be interested in that sort of thing, so I'm not sure where the initial "I'm going to trust this lady" comes from. | ||
Yhamm
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On March 19 2016 09:22 KadaverBB wrote: I have what may be a dumb question. I've only read the books once and am just casually rewatching the series in preparation for season 6^^ Why did Stannis ally himself with Melisandre? She just some day shows up at Dragonstone preaching foreign religion, why does Stannis care at all? Stannis doesn't seem to be a man who would be interested in that sort of thing, so I'm not sure where the initial "I'm going to trust this lady" comes from. according to wiki ( http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Melisandre ), Stannis started to care when she resisted the poison from Cressen | ||
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Talaris
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On March 19 2016 09:22 KadaverBB wrote: Why did Stannis ally himself with Melisandre? She just some day shows up at Dragonstone preaching foreign religion, why does Stannis care at all? Stannis doesn't seem to be a man who would be interested in that sort of thing, so I'm not sure where the initial "I'm going to trust this lady" comes from. Stannis seeks allies, Melisandre has proven to be powerful (see Yhamm). As he is righteous, stubborn and blunt, he has serious problems for people to actually love/follow him. Dont get me wrond, he gets respected or feared, but not worshipped or loved like his Brother was. That's something Melisandra and her cult can accomplish for him. So far for the theoretical standpoint, personally I also think it's quite hard to make a definitive point htats not just speculating, as you have to interpret alot solely on their characters. I think the Stannis-Melisandre relationship could have gotten some fleshing out, but oh well, Martin decided to rather introduce 50 new characters after book 3 instead of building on some existing ones and their relationship. *rolleyes* | ||
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Sbrubbles
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On March 20 2016 21:10 B.I.G. wrote: Do you guys think Mr. Martin has bitten off more than he can chew and is now in a bit of crisis on how to finish the story? Personally I think that it will be challenging for him but I have read plenty of books (like Malazan BotF) where tons of storylines were wrapped up satisfactory in 2 books.. Who knows? But I like to think he decided to rewrite some storylines after seing people figure some of them out :p | ||
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Redox
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Manit0u
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On March 20 2016 22:49 Sent. wrote: I think he knows how to finish the story but doesn't know how to lead the story to that point. I mean probably he has a general idea of how everything should look but keeps failing at execution so he has rewrite chapters over and over. If he's stuck because he wants to add even more pointless storylines then I don't want him to finish the thing lol He can just kill most of the characters unexpectedly, thus ending their plot lines abruptly and without any real conclusion. All is left to do then is just a race to the finish line with vastly reduced complexity, leaving dangling stories unresolved. This way he can complete the thing without much headache and still leave plenty of room for future expansions if that's what he wants (possibility to revisit the dangling plot lines). I gave up on the books after the fourth one, watching the TV series out of boredom rather than actual interest (I find it mediocre at best), so you'll have to consider my opinion biased unfavorably towards GRRM. | ||
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Laurens
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Sentenal
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On March 19 2016 09:22 KadaverBB wrote: I have what may be a dumb question. I've only read the books once and am just casually rewatching the series in preparation for season 6^^ Why did Stannis ally himself with Melisandre? She just some day shows up at Dragonstone preaching foreign religion, why does Stannis care at all? Stannis doesn't seem to be a man who would be interested in that sort of thing, so I'm not sure where the initial "I'm going to trust this lady" comes from. Wasn't it originally because of Stannis' wife being a follower, and then eventually Melisandre just expanded her influence to him? | ||
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Yhamm
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People are talking about whether the books are going to be spoiled – and it’s really not true,” Benioff told EW. “So much of what we’re doing diverges from the books at this point. And while there are certain key elements that will be the same, we’re not going to talk so much about that – and I don’t think George is either. People are going to be very surprised when they read the books after the show. They’re quite divergent in so many respects for the remainder of the show. | ||
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Laurens
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Lord Tolkien
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On March 19 2016 09:22 KadaverBB wrote: I have what may be a dumb question. I've only read the books once and am just casually rewatching the series in preparation for season 6^^ Why did Stannis ally himself with Melisandre? She just some day shows up at Dragonstone preaching foreign religion, why does Stannis care at all? Stannis doesn't seem to be a man who would be interested in that sort of thing, so I'm not sure where the initial "I'm going to trust this lady" comes from. Books or show? Both are radically different answers. If the books, and I assume we're going wih that given the thread, he wasn't and isn't (he mostly pays lip service to it). Two major events solidify her role in Stannis' council: first was when Cressen attempted to poison Melisandre, and she demonstrated "real" power and magic. At that point, she became a useful adviser and potential weapon to him (he was previously a devout atheist due to the death of his parents, and generally remains so despite "converting"). What however solidifies her role in his court was the aftermath of the Blackwater. Before then, Stannis' followers were divided among the "King's Men", followers of the Seven (of whom Davos is among them), and the "Queen's Men", the followers of R'hllor (who have the support of Melisandre and the Queen). After the Blackwater, however, most of the King's Men were killed, captured, or executed in the battle. This left Stannis' court with only one real faction with significant power, the "Queen's Men" and, thus, Melisandre. It's not until Stannis makes it north, and finds men and allies who are not devout followers of R'hllor, that he loosens on his outward devotion to R'hllor. | ||
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Acrofales
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shark.
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Melisandre exists in his court because of his wife and as time goes on Stannis seems to struggle with his duty/want to be recognized hence why he seems to believe what is said yet doubts it at every junction. Stannis will do what is necessary to gain support but it is 100% shown he is not a Religious man of any sort and does not fully believe in the red god. He has seen melisandre do some seemingly miraculous stuff yet doesn't fully believe it which leads him to this dilemma where he could the the "chosen one" and reap all the glory, or he can stand by what he knows is right and logical and fall being the man he knows. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18209 Posts
On April 13 2016 07:50 Cricketer12 wrote: Fuck i cant say shit in this thread. But I feel confident she stays north. Why? In the books she's still firmly lodged in the Vale, and there doesn't seem much reason for her to go north at all. Jeyne Poole has her "role" in the north, but unlike the series, both Theon and Jon (assuming he even gets involved with that plotline upon his resurrection) know that Jeyne is not Arya. So there doesn't seem much reason at all for book-Sansa to suddenly appear in the north given that it is still crawling with Boltons. Sansa marching on the Riverlands with an army from the Vale to liberate the Blackfish before marching north just makes far more sense. She can take revenge on the remaining Freys and sack the Twins on her way, which is always nice. And therefore some kind of convergence (presumably because Sansa has to meet Jaime for some reason we do not yet know about) between the TV and book plotlines for Sansa seems more likely to happen in the Riverlands  | ||
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ShiaoPi
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