EPTI wonder if they'll just briefly introduce Edmure in season 3 on the way to the RW and not even bother with the Blackfish, or possibly even cut Edmure out entirely and have someone else (like Cat) be married in the RW, which would really suck.
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moopie
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I wonder if they'll just briefly introduce Edmure in season 3 on the way to the RW and not even bother with the Blackfish, or possibly even cut Edmure out entirely and have someone else (like Cat) be married in the RW, which would really suck. | ||
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On March 05 2012 11:21 moopie wrote: Breaking away from the Varys/Illyrio discussion, I'm rather disappointed that from all the season 2 trailers and casting announcements it looks like Riverrun is cut completely out of season 2 (Jamie is shown still locked in a wooden cage, with a rather long beard implying some time has pased). That means still no Hoster/Edmure/Blackfish. I suppose the story can carry on without Riverrun, but it implies Robb mainly has the North with him rather than the power of the Riverlands as well. Also still no mention of Meera/Jojen and Big/Little Walder. I wonder if they'll just briefly introduce Edmure briefly in season 3 on the way to the RW and not even bother with the Blackfish. I think it'd be too much for a tv-series. The show expands a lot in season 2 with Stannis, Renly and Balon Greyjoy becoming major players, and there was a large cast of important characters to begin with. Meera, Jojen and the Walders aren't THAT important right now, but I will be disappointed if they won't add the Reeds later on. Riverrun is cut for budget reasons I think. Can't be helped  The problem with showing some characters now that will be important later on is that if they're cast now the roles are locked and there might be scheduling or other issues in the later seasons when they are more important. | ||
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antelope591
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moopie
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And I wouldn't count on seeing much of Robb's campaign because battle scenes (especially with large numbers) are expensive to shoot/CG. I expect we'll just be told of the post-battle situation, just like with Robb breaking the siege of riverrun, or Tyrion's part in the battle of the green fork. The only battle we'll see in some detail this season will be the battle of the blackwater (and even that will need to be rushed). | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
On March 05 2012 13:07 moopie wrote: Riverrun made Catelyn's character a lot more likable imo by showing her as a caring daughter/sister/mother as opposed to just a Jon-hating, dwarf-snatching bitch. Plus the blackfish is awesome. And I wouldn't count on seeing much of Robb's campaign because battle scenes (especially with large numbers) is expensive to shoot/CG. I expect we'll just be told of the post-battle situation, just like with Robb breaking the siege of riverrun, or Tyrion's part in the battle of the green fork. The only battle we'll see in detail this season will be the battle of the blackwater (and even that will need to be rushed). The likability of Catelyn seems questionable, I felt her role in CoK/SoS was more to explain her grief and for plot purposes. I would say she seems less callous, but not necessarily more caring. And I think you're right about the Blackwater battle, but I really hope they splashed the cash for it. It would probably consume an entire episode if done properly. | ||
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
I think it's been confirmed that they won't be adding the Blackfish, unfortunately. Meera and Jojen will probably be introduced near the end of the season, or at the beggining of the next one. They aren't important at all yet. | ||
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moopie
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On March 05 2012 14:18 Crazyeyes wrote: I so hope you're wrong about the battles. Which episode of Game of Thrones are you writing next season? The Battle of the Blackwater, God help me. David and Dan must hate me. That’s the one where you have to be most conscious of budgetary decisions. It’s very tough because we don’t have the budget to do the battle in the book. We just don’t. Well, they have to be able to show the ships and what happens to them, right? I hope so. We’ll see. I’m writing it. I’m cutting certain things. We’ll see once I turn it in if we can do it. When you look HBO’s Rome– Loved Rome. I loved it too, but what about the battles? We see Caesar leave the tent to go to war, then he comes back and falls asleep. Caesar leaves the tent. Pompey leaves the tent. Then we see Pompey’s banner in the mud. And Caesar comes back to the tent. The next episode, Pompey describes the battle to Pullo and Vorenus drawing it in the dirt with a stick to explain what happened. For the Battle of Actium, they open with Mark Anthony floating on a piece of wood — and Rome had a bigger budget than we do. I’ve been trying to tell the fans that. On some level they’re expecting the Battle of Pelennor Fields [from Peter Jackson's The Return of the King]. source: http://shelf-life.ew.com/2011/07/12/george-martin-talks-a-dance-with-dragons/ | ||
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Geo.Rion
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What really pisses me they've botched the Bolton storyline with that stupid-stupid-stupid "i ve sent 2k ppl to die", so they either come up with a random way to introduce the Boltons, or leave out a few hundred pages. The Reed kids also seem important but they might leave them out | ||
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Phelski
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Geo.Rion
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On March 06 2012 04:08 Phelski wrote: i dont like it if they leave the reeds out, so is it just gonna be bran and hodor going together? ye, and they would just skip most of the journey, maybe meet up with Coldhands than get to the CotF cave. It's just a guess though | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On March 06 2012 04:03 Geo.Rion wrote: ye, they leave the blackfish and riverrun out altogether, probably the Reed and the Frey kids too. What really pisses me they've botched the Bolton storyline with that stupid-stupid-stupid "i ve sent 2k ppl to die", so they either come up with a random way to introduce the Boltons, or leave out a few hundred pages. The Reed kids also seem important but they might leave them out How did they botch the Bolton story line? Everything regarding the Bolton seems to be in line with the book. Robb assumes that Bolton's forces were completely destroyed but he doesn't know for a fact. | ||
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antelope591
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Geo.Rion
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On March 06 2012 11:15 scudst0rm wrote: How did they botch the Bolton story line? Everything regarding the Bolton seems to be in line with the book. Robb assumes that Bolton's forces were completely destroyed but he doesn't know for a fact. Well, correct me if i'm wrong, in the books the Northern host is split up in two, one of which is directed by Bolton, with which he faints an attack and retreats, taking Harrenhall later and retreating to North after, leaving him with the only standing army in the North and becoming the Warden of North later. Now, in the series it was clearly said it s a 20k soldiers host, from which the Lannisters annihilated the 2k diversion strikeforce. This is confirmed by Tywinn and Robb too. So, how do they introduce him? | ||
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Maginor
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On March 06 2012 18:48 Geo.Rion wrote: Well, correct me if i'm wrong, in the books the Northern host is split up in two, one of which is directed by Bolton, with which he faints an attack and retreats, taking Harrenhall later and retreating to North after, leaving him with the only standing army in the North and becoming the Warden of North later. Now, in the series it was clearly said it s a 20k soldiers host, from which the Lannisters annihilated the 2k diversion strikeforce. This is confirmed by Tywinn and Robb too. So, how do they introduce him? My theory: In the series he will be one of the lords traveling south with reinforcements. For instance in the books, there are several lords including Manderly who travel through Winterfell in CoK on their way south with reinforcements. Then at some point before going west, Robb gives Bolton the orders to stay behind and take Harrenhal once Tywin leaves it to pursue Robb. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On March 06 2012 18:48 Geo.Rion wrote: Well, correct me if i'm wrong, in the books the Northern host is split up in two, one of which is directed by Bolton, with which he faints an attack and retreats, taking Harrenhall later and retreating to North after, leaving him with the only standing army in the North and becoming the Warden of North later. Now, in the series it was clearly said it s a 20k soldiers host, from which the Lannisters annihilated the 2k diversion strikeforce. This is confirmed by Tywinn and Robb too. So, how do they introduce him? According to awoiaf bolton is defeated but is able to retreat with most of his host. In the show does Tywin say they kill 2000 men or there were only 2000 men on that side of the green fork? | ||
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moopie
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On March 07 2012 04:30 scudst0rm wrote: According to awoiaf bolton is defeated but is able to retreat with most of his host. In the show does Tywin say they kill 2000 men or there were only 2000 men on that side of the green fork? Bolton isn't exactly defeated in the true sense of the word as Robb sent him there as a feint to distract Tywin, not to defeat him. iirc Robb says specifically that is the reason he chose Bolton to lead those troops instead of the Greatjon, since Bolton is crafty enough to follow the plan whereas the Greatjon would try to fight Tywin's troops head-on with those odds. In the book Bolton's troops don't suffer heavy losses. In the show it says that there were only 2000 people there and from what Robb says it implies they all died, or at least most of them. | ||
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Leth0
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HyunA
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On March 07 2012 05:46 HyunA wrote: holy shit i can't wait to see the battle of blackwater ! i hope they did it well >< you better dont expect any big battle scenes. I'd like some nice CGI of the ships and what happens to them tho | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 07 2012 04:30 scudst0rm wrote: According to awoiaf bolton is defeated but is able to retreat with most of his host. In the show does Tywin say they kill 2000 men or there were only 2000 men on that side of the green fork? In the tv show, before the battle Robb captures a scout and lets him go with the message, tell the Lannisters 20k northmen are marching to meet him. after the battle Tyrion wakes up, and asks him what happened, Tywinn says there werent 20k but 2k and no Robb Stark, and the left of the 18k is porbably with Robb somewhere else. After taht Robb tells his mother he's sent 2k men to their deaths. There is precisely 0 reference of any survivals/retreats or Bolton, on the contrary it's strongly suggested that the diversion force got slaughtered. | ||
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