EPTfirst of all, I understand he left kingslanding because he helped tyrion.. but why did he help him?
And wth does he want? Why does he want to send tyrion to daenarys and why did he kill ser Kevan?
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
first of all, I understand he left kingslanding because he helped tyrion.. but why did he help him? And wth does he want? Why does he want to send tyrion to daenarys and why did he kill ser Kevan? | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On February 07 2012 05:23 Z-BosoN wrote: I didn't understand exactly what Lord Varys plans... first of all, I understand he left kingslanding because he helped tyrion.. but why did he help him? And wth does he want? Why does he want to send tyrion to daenarys and why did he kill ser Kevan? Varys is the only one who cares for the people. Or so he says. I think that he is like an altruistic good bad guy, seems weird I know. He wants to restore the targareyn line it seems, although his true motives no one could know. | ||
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Croatia7457 Posts
On February 07 2012 05:23 Z-BosoN wrote: I didn't understand exactly what Lord Varys plans... first of all, I understand he left kingslanding because he helped tyrion.. but why did he help him? And wth does he want? Why does he want to send tyrion to daenarys and why did he kill ser Kevan? He sent Tyrion to Illirio because Jamie threatened to kill him if he didn't do something. Illirio is the one that decided to send Tyrion to Daenerys. And he killed Kevan for the same reason he told Kevan, he wanted chaos to continue so Daenerys or Aegon would have easier time to win the throne. | ||
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moopie
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He says he is working for the realm, while actually seeking chaos to allow for a Targaryen invasion. Unlike Littlefinger though he's not driven by gold and power. If his goals were as simple as wanting the Targaryens in power (for whatever reason), why did he work to undermine Aerys and fuel his paranoia? | ||
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Replice
Norway93 Posts
On February 09 2012 19:22 moopie wrote: Nobody really knows what Varys' endgame is at this point. He says he is working for the realm, while actually seeking chaos to allow for a Targaryen invasion. Unlike Littlefinger though he's not driven by gold and power. If his goals were as simple as wanting the Targaryens in power (for whatever reason), why did he work to undermine Aerys and fuel his paranoia? It might be that he feels a kind of debt to Aerys since he was the one who brought him to kings landing. He could have realised the way he did things with Aerys was wrong and then deciced to make things right with his descendants. Not that i particularly belive it myself tho.  | ||
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aloT
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zimms
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In the north life is harder. The north isn't populated as dense as the south and every man is needed to harvest enough for the next winter. So when it comes to war, those are the guys who get summoned. That's also the reason why the north can't afford to lead long wars, because those men are needed at home, since there is little use in winning a war if you starve to death afterwards. That's why Robb is always hard pressed to make their time count. | ||
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Croatia7457 Posts
On February 09 2012 22:27 aloT wrote: Question: Throughout the entire series I got an impression that the Lannisters had their own very large and powerful standing army based from Casterly Rock/Lannisport, at least they are referred to as Lannister men and have some kind of uniform (the gold helmet and red cloak?). What happened to the Starks own Winterfell army, like their own (not from the Houses that support them). Except for Boltons and Karstarks they got whiped out during Red Wedding | ||
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
Bran's story is cool and the possibilities for what his role will be in the great scheme of things are awesome. I sure hope Arya is not just going to be a Faceless Man, seems too small somehow. Dany is finally going to become awesome with her dragons. Overall, lots of shit going on and I don't want to wait for the next book. I am going to go build a time machine now. | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On February 15 2012 09:03 Aldehyde wrote: So many things going on! Makes me mental... My favourite character seems to have been killed off (Jon). I almost threw the book into my monitor when that happened. Bran's story is cool and the possibilities for what his role will be in the great scheme of things are awesome. I sure hope Arya is not just going to be a Faceless Man, seems too small somehow. Dany is finally going to become awesome with her dragons. Overall, lots of shit going on and I don't want to wait for the next book. I am going to go build a time machine now. Lots of discussion is that Jon didn't actually die and there is pretty significant backing to the theory. A vast majority of the major character deaths have been very vivid in the dying. Also there is just too many connections with Jon in the story. However, Martin could do the mega-double troll and just have him plain dead. I just don't think (and hope) that is what is going to happen. | ||
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On February 15 2012 09:12 whatwhatanut wrote: Lots of discussion is that Jon didn't actually die and there is pretty significant backing to the theory. A vast majority of the major character deaths have been very vivid in the dying. Also there is just too many connections with Jon in the story. However, Martin could do the mega-double troll and just have him plain dead. I just don't think (and hope) that is what is going to happen. Well, I guess there are possibilities of him being ressurected by Melissandre or just going into Ghost. If any of those, I am hoping for the first one. What are the theories for Jon and the backing thereof (other than what you've already said)? | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On February 15 2012 09:28 Aldehyde wrote: Well, I guess there are possibilities of him being ressurected by Melissandre or just going into Ghost. If any of those, I am hoping for the first one. What are the theories for Jon and the backing thereof (other than what you've already said)? Pretty sure it is all centered around Melisandre and the warg stuff just a lot of discussion about it from others that have read it and the boards for the series. Backing seems to be the foreshadowing, one of Martin's favorite devices. My firend just got to the red wedding and there is a scene a few chapters before where Robb starts thinking about his mortality and naming Jon heir. Very intriguing. I am definitely thinking about a second read. | ||
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moopie
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On February 15 2012 09:28 Aldehyde wrote: Well, I guess there are possibilities of him being ressurected by Melissandre or just going into Ghost. If any of those, I am hoping for the first one. What are the theories for Jon and the backing thereof (other than what you've already said)? http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/53766-adwd-spoilers-jon-snows-fate/ That covers a lot of them. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On February 07 2012 05:23 Z-BosoN wrote: I didn't understand exactly what Lord Varys plans... first of all, I understand he left kingslanding because he helped tyrion.. but why did he help him? And wth does he want? Why does he want to send tyrion to daenarys and why did he kill ser Kevan? Well, it looks like he was pretty disgusted with the Lanister stealth takeover of the crown under the Barantheons and then the overt takeover once the books start. And he thinks that for some reason Targarians will be better rulers, maybe because unlike all the other houses the Tagarians dont have a power base per se and so would have to balance the interest of all the other houses? Anyway, considering the madness of the last Targarian king it seems a strange position. | ||
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Sub40APM
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On February 15 2012 09:12 whatwhatanut wrote: However, Martin could do the mega-double troll and just have him plain dead. I just don't think (and hope) that is what is going to happen. Ya i think the story actually has gotten away from him a couple of times so he just went out and killed some characters to re-set. | ||
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whatwhatanut
United States195 Posts
On February 15 2012 09:36 Sub40APM wrote: Well, it looks like he was pretty disgusted with the Lanister stealth takeover of the crown under the Barantheons and then the overt takeover once the books start. And he thinks that for some reason Targarians will be better rulers, maybe because unlike all the other houses the Tagarians dont have a power base per se and so would have to balance the interest of all the other houses? Anyway, considering the madness of the last Targarian king it seems a strange position. That is a very interesting idea. Did the tagaryins not have a powerhold in Westoros? I would imagine that the area around king's landing would have been their hold like a washington d.c. but a whole territory. | ||
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SixGun
United States40 Posts
On February 15 2012 09:41 Sub40APM wrote: Ya i think the story actually has gotten away from him a couple of times so he just went out and killed some characters to re-set. I don't see how turning Jon into a wight would advance the story. Unless he maybe turned into the same creature as Cold Hands, who I'm betting is Benjen | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On February 15 2012 10:11 whatwhatanut wrote: That is a very interesting idea. Did the tagaryins not have a powerhold in Westoros? I would imagine that the area around king's landing would have been their hold like a washington d.c. but a whole territory. Well they did have The Crownlands as their territory (which includes King's Landing and Dragonstone), but with the fall of the Targaryens after Robert's rebellion that territory went to house Baratheon. + Show Spoiler [political map] + ![[image loading]](http://gameofthrones.net/images/Westeros_Maps/Map_Westeros_Political.gif) | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
On February 09 2012 19:22 moopie wrote: Nobody really knows what Varys' endgame is at this point. He says he is working for the realm, while actually seeking chaos to allow for a Targaryen invasion. Unlike Littlefinger though he's not driven by gold and power. If his goals were as simple as wanting the Targaryens in power (for whatever reason), why did he work to undermine Aerys and fuel his paranoia? To make Rhaegar take drastic action and step up... but Rhaegar might've been too good of a guy to take it without some prodding. | ||
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