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Spaylz
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 13 2015 20:51 SixStrings wrote: He talks exactly like the Ironmen. And why else did they use a white actor when Daario should by rights be... Middle eastern? I think the theory is sound and the show confirms it. Essos is a huge ass continent, it has even higher racial variety than Westeros, Yi Ti are like chinese, the Ibenese are very hairy, Slaver's Bay are akin to middle-east, Norvos and several free cities are predominantly white. Not sure what Daario said he's from, i think in the books it's hinted that he's from around Myr. The theory is not sound, it cannot really be disproven, because the timelines are messed up and vague, and the distances are not specified. A much much much better case can be made based on the books that Euron = The Corsair King, or maybe even the Shrouded Lord, personally im for the former. (and i like Jacob preston's theory that the Shrouded Lord is the missing uncle, Gerion Lannister). The biggest trump card of the Daario theory is that Euron is obsessed with Dragons, and Daario has a long absence, when he says he goes after the other companies/ ranging/ scouting. But how long that time is, we dont know, so maybe he sailed to the fucking other end of the world.... Also, where was his ship and crew while he was playing Daario. We know he left on the Silence, and he returned on the Silence, and he has a crew of mutes. They dont have to be accounted for if he's the Corsair king, or the Shrouded Lord. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On April 13 2015 21:08 Spaylz wrote: Pretty sure SixStrings is trolling. No he's not. There's rumours surrounding Euron, it's pretty obvious that something supernatural is going on with his ship and his mute crew. So if he can travel far distances with his magic, often disappears for lengths of month, is obsessed with Daenerys and dragons... Why not? There's also the fact that he and his crew allegedly went to Valyria, yet they all survived uncursed, which shouldn't happen. And please, he wears an eye-patch, so what? Some minor character in the books is at some point referred to as "the fool who hides a good eye underneath an eye-patch", which I took to mean that GRRM has thought about that notion. Then there's the show, I can't confirm it, but the rumour-site said that supposedly an Arab actor was first intended to play Daario, but then they had a change of heart. Lastly, if you listen to the audio books, the narrator uses the exact same tone of voice when reading either of them. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Lastly, if you listen to the audio books, the narrator uses the exact same tone of voice when reading either of them The tinfoil is strong with this one! If you mention the show as evidence, think about this: Why wouldn't they do more ironborn storyline if Daario = Euron would be their intent? A show watcher wouldn't give a shit that Daario is a Greyjoy. There are many arguments that this theory is bs, here is one fo them: http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/2577x7/spoilers_adwd_a_chronological_difficulty_with_the/ | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On April 13 2015 19:06 Geo.Rion wrote: + Show Spoiler + Unliekly... could be a big finisher, but we have to witness Myrcella's and Tommen's deaths first, we know from the prophecy that she will watch all of her children die, then will be killed by "the little brother" which is Tyrion, or in my read, Jamie. And before all that she has to have her walk of shame, and the trial by combat, featuring the revived Mountain. If they wanna fit all that in the remaninig 6 episode, we re gonna have Cersei in focus for like half of them remaining airtime. And there 0% for taht to happen, imo. It's far more likely, if they re gonna spoil major death scene from the 6th book, it is gonna be Stannis's, or really numerous other candidates for the role. + Show Spoiler + the show didn't say anything about her outliving all her children though, or did i miss that? i know it's in the books but i didn't hear it in the show | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
That has nothing to do with tinfoil, listen to the audiobooks by Roy Dotrice, he has distinct voices and accents for different characters, you can tell which of the main characters he's voicing even without context. I grant you that I haven't watched most of the show and the stuff I did watch, I didn't watch attentively, but from the books I think you can make a strong case for the theory, much stronger than for the High Sparrow being Howland Reed. And even that I buy into. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On April 13 2015 22:32 SixStrings wrote: No he's not. There's rumours surrounding Euron, it's pretty obvious that something supernatural is going on with his ship and his mute crew. So if he can travel far distances with his magic, often disappears for lengths of month, is obsessed with Daenerys and dragons... Why not? There's also the fact that he and his crew allegedly went to Valyria, yet they all survived uncursed, which shouldn't happen. And please, he wears an eye-patch, so what? Some minor character in the books is at some point referred to as "the fool who hides a good eye underneath an eye-patch", which I took to mean that GRRM has thought about that notion. Then there's the show, I can't confirm it, but the rumour-site said that supposedly an Arab actor was first intended to play Daario, but then they had a change of heart. Lastly, if you listen to the audio books, the narrator uses the exact same tone of voice when reading either of them. Well the previous Daario was even whiter than this one, and he did not resemble the ironmen in the slightest, he was a slimy, very young looking guy. There are lots of holes in this theory. The following need to be true so the theory could work. 1. Daario and Euron are lying to everyone, all the time, and change their appearance (even though nobody would recognize Euron in Mereen or Daario at the Iron Islands). They are excellent actors. 2. There is some kind of unprecedented space-time magic going on, letting him and his ship to travel tens of thousands of miles in weeks or less. 3. There are lots of people playing along with this scheme, including sellsword companies and the like. 4. Euron disguised as Daario already seduced Danny, yet he thinks it would work better if he teleports back home, convinces his brother who hates him passionately, to come and try to take her as a bride, and use Dragonhorns instead of natural rider-dragon sinergy, which Danny already has. 5. Euron lets himself be a priosner of the Yunkish alliance, to maintain his cover, putting his life and all his plans in the hands of the slavers. 6. The Silence and its crew are tucked away neatly when Euron goes and plays sellsword captain. 7. Euron despite being a captain/ explorer with a ship is one of the best fighters in the world, well versed in different fighting styles and weapons specific to Essos, and has deep knowledge of the sellsword companies. All these points are somewhat possible if we consider that magic is on the rise, and there is some kind of magic surrounding Euron, with warlock prisoners and whatnot. Yet it's just staggeringly unlikely and just because it's not impossible, doesnt mean it's true. Lots of people seem to have obsession with Dragons or fulfilling prophecies of a promised child or other recurring motives, yet that doesnt prove they re the same person. To all the "something is strange with Euron" and "what is he doing at the waters near Essos" and "how come he sailed to Valyria, which is suppousedly has cursed waters", could be answered with: He's the Corsair King. or that it's not important, he was biding his time until he could send a Faceless man to kill Balon, and take the throne, meanwhile he captured some warlocks. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
Or just allow to talk about everything without spoiler tags. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On April 13 2015 22:49 Geo.Rion wrote: Well the previous Daario was even whiter than this one, and he did not resemble the ironmen in the slightest, he was a slimy, very young looking guy. There are lots of holes in this theory. The following need to be true so the theory could work. 1. Daario and Euron are lying to everyone, all the time, and change their appearance (even though nobody would recognize Euron in Mereen or Daario at the Iron Islands). They are excellent actors. 2. There is some kind of unprecedented space-time magic going on, letting him and his ship to travel tens of thousands of miles in weeks or less. 3. There are lots of people playing along with this scheme, including sellsword companies and the like. 4. Euron disguised as Daario already seduced Danny, yet he thinks it would work better if he teleports back home, convinces his brother who hates him passionately, to come and try to take her as a bride, and use Dragonhorns instead of natural rider-dragon sinergy, which Danny already has. 5. Euron lets himself be a priosner of the Yunkish alliance, to maintain his cover, putting his life and all his plans in the hands of the slavers. 6. The Silence and its crew are tucked away neatly when Euron goes and plays sellsword captain. 7. Euron despite being a captain/ explorer with a ship is one of the best fighters in the world, well versed in different fighting styles and weapons specific to Essos, and has deep knowledge of the sellsword companies. All these points are somewhat possible if we consider that magic is on the rise, and there is some kind of magic surrounding Euron, with warlock prisoners and whatnot. Yet it's just staggeringly unlikely and just because it's not impossible, doesnt mean it's true. Lots of people seem to have obsession with Dragons or fulfilling prophecies of a promised child or other recurring motives, yet that doesnt prove they re the same person. To all the "something is strange with Euron" and "what is he doing at the waters near Essos" and "how come he sailed to Valyria, which is suppousedly has cursed waters", could be answered with: He's the Corsair King. or that it's not important, he was biding his time until he could send a Faceless man to kill Balon, and take the throne, meanwhile he captured some warlocks. This, with the link from earlier outlining the timeline-issues, has almost convinced me. Meh. Though I suppose it's not unlikely that he convinced some of the companies to play along, it's unlikely that he can do so without leaks. Too bad. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 13 2015 22:47 SixStrings wrote: That has nothing to do with tinfoil, listen to the audiobooks by Roy Dotrice, he has distinct voices and accents for different characters, you can tell which of the main characters he's voicing even without context. I grant you that I haven't watched most of the show and the stuff I did watch, I didn't watch attentively, but from the books I think you can make a strong case for the theory, much stronger than for the High Sparrow being Howland Reed. And even that I buy into. Sry but you simply cannot argue the voice acting of this guy is evidence. Do you really think he knows where the story is going? (maybe i missed something and you have a source that he does know, i doubt it though) I also mentioned the show and my take on it cause you yourself tried to base your argument on some casting decisions there. I think a lot of ASOIAF readers want to buy into almost any theory cause we lack new material, most of these theories are absolutely bonkers and DON'T have any evidence in the books. They maybe could be true, but nothing in the books really indicates this is the way the story is shaping towards. So no, Euron =/= Daario =/= Benjen =/= Coldhands , etc | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
Then again: Show Daario says he took control of 93 ships of the Mereen navy. The exact number Euron leaves The Shields with Is this true? Has anyone followed the show attentively enough to confirm this? | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
On April 13 2015 22:59 SixStrings wrote: You're probably right, when I read the Howland Reed is the High Sparrow theory, I thought it was bullshit, then when I read the Cersey chapter again, it made a lot of sense, probably because I wanted it to. Might be the same with Euron. i don't recall the bookscene very good, i do assume the high sparrow mentioned why he has no shoes, just like he did in the show? i thought that was one of the points in that theory | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 13 2015 22:59 SixStrings wrote: You're probably right, when I read the Howland Reed is the High Sparrow theory, I thought it was bullshit, then when I read the Cersey chapter again, it made a lot of sense, probably because I wanted it to. Might be the same with Euron. Then again: Is this true? Has anyone followed the show attentively enough to confirm this? I think this is true, but again, the easier explanation is that there simply are no ironborns coming in the show, so the show introduced the ships in another way. The only "person X is in reality Y" theory i buy is R+L=J, cause there is a lot of actual evidence in the books for it. I mean it's no real argument, but if half the guys in the books are different people, it kinda cheapens the story  Ah i also believe that Aegon = (f)Aegon , but that could go either way tbh | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
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saddaromma
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HighPassage
United States82 Posts
As long as they don't make it worse, I'm fine with it. Sitting through live-action AFfC would have been torture. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 14 2015 01:48 saddaromma wrote: I find Daario uninteresting and rather unimpactful in grand scheme. why the fuss about him. cause he's Euron! | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
If Daenerys no longer commands dragons and she's not a queen, Daario should betray her soon enough. | ||
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
On April 14 2015 03:42 domane wrote: + Show Spoiler + Daenerys has informed Daario that she has lost control of her dragons. Is Darrio also meant to represent Brown Ben Plumm? as far as it goes daario could be anything. | ||
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