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On June 16 2014 00:24 Spaylz wrote:
Oh come on. Someone just called Jon's parentage in the other thread. How could one guess that from the show? I mean, I'm not exaggerating here right? It seems over the top that someone would make that guess strictly from the show. Lyanna is barely ever mentioned...
I was wondering about that, too, but I'm on the fence here. For one, there's no mention of Rhaegar. Frankly, anyone who mentions him in the other thread is a book reader or has gotten information from book readers, there's no way around that. Also, there's no mention of the Tower of Joy or any details of what actually happened, just the random suggestion that Jon might be Lyanna's son and Ned took care of him.
Either that guy is very smart at spoiling things, or he just got lucky. I'd say it's best not to respond to him in the other thread and let it rest, people will talk about quite different things by tomorrow, anyhow.
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On June 16 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 00:24 Spaylz wrote:
Oh come on. Someone just called Jon's parentage in the other thread. How could one guess that from the show? I mean, I'm not exaggerating here right? It seems over the top that someone would make that guess strictly from the show. Lyanna is barely ever mentioned... I was wondering about that, too, but I'm on the fence here. For one, there's no mention of Rhaegar. Frankly, anyone who mentions him in the other thread is a book reader or has gotten information from book readers, there's no way around that. Also, there's no mention of the Tower of Joy or any details of what actually happened, just the random suggestion that Jon might be Lyanna's son and Ned took care of him. Either that guy is very smart at spoiling things, or he just got lucky. I'd say it's best not to respond to him in the other thread and let it rest, people will talk about quite different things by tomorrow, anyhow.
Ofc they mention Rhaegar in the show
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On June 16 2014 02:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:On June 16 2014 00:24 Spaylz wrote:
Oh come on. Someone just called Jon's parentage in the other thread. How could one guess that from the show? I mean, I'm not exaggerating here right? It seems over the top that someone would make that guess strictly from the show. Lyanna is barely ever mentioned... I was wondering about that, too, but I'm on the fence here. For one, there's no mention of Rhaegar. Frankly, anyone who mentions him in the other thread is a book reader or has gotten information from book readers, there's no way around that. Also, there's no mention of the Tower of Joy or any details of what actually happened, just the random suggestion that Jon might be Lyanna's son and Ned took care of him. Either that guy is very smart at spoiling things, or he just got lucky. I'd say it's best not to respond to him in the other thread and let it rest, people will talk about quite different things by tomorrow, anyhow. Ofc they mention Rhaegar in the show
I meant that the guy in the other thread did not mention Rhaegar, or made the Rhaegar-Lyanna connection. I dare say it is absolutely impossible to make that connection from just watching the show.
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On June 16 2014 02:09 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 02:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 16 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:On June 16 2014 00:24 Spaylz wrote:
Oh come on. Someone just called Jon's parentage in the other thread. How could one guess that from the show? I mean, I'm not exaggerating here right? It seems over the top that someone would make that guess strictly from the show. Lyanna is barely ever mentioned... I was wondering about that, too, but I'm on the fence here. For one, there's no mention of Rhaegar. Frankly, anyone who mentions him in the other thread is a book reader or has gotten information from book readers, there's no way around that. Also, there's no mention of the Tower of Joy or any details of what actually happened, just the random suggestion that Jon might be Lyanna's son and Ned took care of him. Either that guy is very smart at spoiling things, or he just got lucky. I'd say it's best not to respond to him in the other thread and let it rest, people will talk about quite different things by tomorrow, anyhow. Ofc they mention Rhaegar in the show I meant that the guy in the other thread did not mention Rhaegar, or made the Rhaegar-Lyanna connection. I dare say it is absolutely impossible to make that connection from just watching the show.
No it is not. It is freaking hard, but if you watch the whole show in a few days i think you can do it.
But yeah this other guy makes no sense without rhaegar
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On June 16 2014 02:14 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 02:09 Conti wrote:On June 16 2014 02:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 16 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:On June 16 2014 00:24 Spaylz wrote:
Oh come on. Someone just called Jon's parentage in the other thread. How could one guess that from the show? I mean, I'm not exaggerating here right? It seems over the top that someone would make that guess strictly from the show. Lyanna is barely ever mentioned... I was wondering about that, too, but I'm on the fence here. For one, there's no mention of Rhaegar. Frankly, anyone who mentions him in the other thread is a book reader or has gotten information from book readers, there's no way around that. Also, there's no mention of the Tower of Joy or any details of what actually happened, just the random suggestion that Jon might be Lyanna's son and Ned took care of him. Either that guy is very smart at spoiling things, or he just got lucky. I'd say it's best not to respond to him in the other thread and let it rest, people will talk about quite different things by tomorrow, anyhow. Ofc they mention Rhaegar in the show I meant that the guy in the other thread did not mention Rhaegar, or made the Rhaegar-Lyanna connection. I dare say it is absolutely impossible to make that connection from just watching the show. No it is not. It is freaking hard, but if you watch the whole show in a few days i think you can do it. But yeah this other guy makes no sense without rhaegar
I'm not at all convinced that it's possible. What hints are there that support R+L=J in the show? From looking at the wiki, there are literally only 3 episodes that mention Rhaegar: One is Robert basically just saying that that he killed Rhaegar (and how much he hates him), one is Bran telling the story of Rhaegar abducting Lyanna, then being killed by Robert to free her (but she died anyways), and one is Barristan saying what an awesome guy Rhaegar was. And you say you can figure out R+L=J from that alone? I just don't see it.
Of course, the general idea that there's something up with Jon's parentage is easy to figure out, and that Ned was hiding more than just a random girl he got pregnant. But the exact details and names? No way.
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Oberyn mentions him too, he says "Rhaegar left her (Elia) for another woman"
Granted, english isn't my first language, but i would say this implies that he didn't kidnap her i guess?
If you combine that with the idea that Ned wasn't angry at Rhaegar and probably hides something, i can see that someone could at least get the idea.
But yeah probably a stretch :D
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On June 16 2014 02:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Oberyn mentions him too, he says "Rhaegar left her (Elia) for another woman"
Granted, english isn't my first language, but i would say this implies that he didn't kidnap her i guess?
If you combine that with the idea that Ned wasn't angry at Rhaegar and probably hides something, i can see that someone could at least get the idea.
But yeah probably a stretch :D
Hmm, I missed Oberyn talking about him. Do you have the episode/time? I'm curious now. Also, Ned wasn't angry at Rhaegar? Ned didn't share Robert's hatred for Rhaegar, but Ned was a very neutral/diplomatic person in general, I find it hard to read anything into him not showing hatred for the supposed killer of his sister.
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On June 16 2014 02:09 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 02:01 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 16 2014 01:20 Conti wrote:On June 16 2014 00:24 Spaylz wrote:
Oh come on. Someone just called Jon's parentage in the other thread. How could one guess that from the show? I mean, I'm not exaggerating here right? It seems over the top that someone would make that guess strictly from the show. Lyanna is barely ever mentioned... I was wondering about that, too, but I'm on the fence here. For one, there's no mention of Rhaegar. Frankly, anyone who mentions him in the other thread is a book reader or has gotten information from book readers, there's no way around that. Also, there's no mention of the Tower of Joy or any details of what actually happened, just the random suggestion that Jon might be Lyanna's son and Ned took care of him. Either that guy is very smart at spoiling things, or he just got lucky. I'd say it's best not to respond to him in the other thread and let it rest, people will talk about quite different things by tomorrow, anyhow. Ofc they mention Rhaegar in the show I meant that the guy in the other thread did not mention Rhaegar, or made the Rhaegar-Lyanna connection. I dare say it is absolutely impossible to make that connection from just watching the show.
No, it isn't. It is just based more entirely on speculation for them rather than any real evidence. R+L=J (though they don't call it that) is a popular idea among unsullied. They mostly track onto the fact that the show did express that his parentage is a mystery, both Benjen and Eddard were apparently going to tell Jon after he had vowed to "wear no crowns and father no children", and "BS, Eddard fathered a bastard?".
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Some book theories are far crazier than a TV watcher coming up with Rhaegar + Lyanna, they just don't to wallow in misery while waiting a few years for the next book, coming up with all kinds of crazy things in diferent forums. Obviously it wouldn't be something everyone agrees on like in the book, but that's not the point.
Either way, he didn't mention Rhaegar. Coming up with the fact that he isn't actually Ned's son, but Lyanna's, is far more reasonable and in no way something impossible for the TV show.
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On June 16 2014 03:44 SKC wrote:
Some book theories are far crazier than a TV watcher coming up with Rhaegar + Lyanna, they just don't to wallow in misery while waiting a few years for the next book, coming up with all kinds of crazy things in diferent forums. Obviously it wouldn't be something everyone agrees on like in the book, but that's not the point.
Either way, he didn't mention Rhaegar. Coming up with the fact that he isn't actually Ned's son, but Lyanna's, is far more reasonable and in no way something impossible for the TV show.
Varys is a merman, Tyrion is a secret Targ (or Jaime/Cersei are, idk), and Jojen paste/cannibal Bran. It is known.
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I wonder if it was planned for tonight's episode to be on Father's day. Pretty great timing.
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On June 16 2014 04:20 Saryph wrote:
I wonder if it was planned for tonight's episode to be on Father's day. Pretty great timing.
lolll I see what youre talking about 
pretty clever indeed
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On June 16 2014 02:59 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 02:55 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Oberyn mentions him too, he says "Rhaegar left her (Elia) for another woman"
Granted, english isn't my first language, but i would say this implies that he didn't kidnap her i guess?
If you combine that with the idea that Ned wasn't angry at Rhaegar and probably hides something, i can see that someone could at least get the idea.
But yeah probably a stretch :D Hmm, I missed Oberyn talking about him. Do you have the episode/time? I'm curious now. Also, Ned wasn't angry at Rhaegar? Ned didn't share Robert's hatred for Rhaegar, but Ned was a very neutral/diplomatic person in general, I find it hard to read anything into him not showing hatred for the supposed killer of his sister.
It is the first episode of this season, when Tyrion and Oberyn talk
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On June 15 2014 17:37 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 13:44 lilopuppy wrote:
This question might be asked before I just gotta ask. Is the show suffering from it's heavy focus on King's Landing? The Wall episode was fun and all, but it didn't feel like it mattered. It's like why are you showing me this, I barely know this guys, who the fuck are these gingers killing everybody? Where's Tyrion? I wanna see what happens to him, Jon Snow is cute and all, but goddamn, nothing interesting happened to him since season 2. the books suffer from it too XD maybe not that much, but so many people hate on book 5 because it s filled with Essos and Wall people like the central story line, lot more characters, more intertwined plots and relationships.
Wait, I don't get it, about your comment about book 5. How can you get more central storyline than manning the defense against the white walkers? And shit barely happened in KL, the most prominent chapters in KL was Cersei's walk.
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Lol Stannis at the wall basically spoiled in the recap.
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I didnt know the children of the forest had fireballs.^^
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Pretty much everything was in it as expected, but wtf no lady stoneheart?
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On June 16 2014 11:09 KOFgokuon wrote:
Pretty much everything was in it as expected, but wtf no lady stoneheart?
I wonder if they are gonna cut her altogether. :s
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that was....bad. Tyrion scene was porly made, the dialogue that he has with jaime before leaving is one of the best in the entire book series.... The lack of lady stoneheart is also a dumb move, and all the bran stuff is bad for a long time now. :/
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