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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 14 2014 14:27 GMT
#10701
On June 14 2014 21:21 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 18:37 Spaylz wrote:
If GRRM dies before he finishes the story, that will be it. He has made it very clear that he does not wish for anyone to take on and finish the series should he die.

It means that if he does die (which frankly is not unlikely), we will know how the story ends through the show, but not through the books. Ever.

Frightening, isn't it?


Why is it not unlikely? He's 65, does he have some health issues?


Well, as you said, he's 65, and he is obese. So far so good though.
I like words.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-14 14:31:10
June 14 2014 14:29 GMT
#10702
On June 14 2014 21:01 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 18:37 Spaylz wrote:
If GRRM dies before he finishes the story, that will be it. He has made it very clear that he does not wish for anyone to take on and finish the series should he die.

It means that if he does die (which frankly is not unlikely), we will know how the story ends through the show, but not through the books. Ever.

Frightening, isn't it?

He may wish that his books not be continued, but the publisher greed is too big for that to matter, honestly. They'd probably wait a few years at most before hiring some guy to write the last few books anyhow while coming up with some bullshit excuse why it's the right thing to do.


As far as i understood the show-writers know the general direction the story is taking so they would be able to finish the show even if the books wont be finished in time / not at all.

Then after the show aired you can release books for the story of the show.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 14 2014 14:32 GMT
#10703
On June 14 2014 23:10 Bigtony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2014 04:11 shark. wrote:
I read another theory regarding CLEGANBOWL!!!! that I thought was quite fun. Less HYPE but cool nonetheless i thought.

http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/236dsl/cleganebowl_my_alternate_theory_plus_a_few_other/


One of the huge problems I find with this is that it's winter now. I can't imagine anyone traveling or doing any shit in winter. They have made a point of mentioning that basically no one has any food saved up for winter at all.

Everyone is going to be fucked up and starving.

yep, if it would "real" world, everyone would die in the riverlands, westerlands, North.
It's excplicetly said how much the war cost for these territories and they have 0 savings for winter. And there s a veyr long winter starting.

though, there s absolutely no way, even without war, that medieval society can gear up for 10 years of winter, when their core activity is agriculture. This is one of those fundamental things u just have to get over and not try to explain it, cuz the author decided that summers and winters can last a decade.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 14 2014 14:33 GMT
#10704
On June 14 2014 23:29 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 21:01 Conti wrote:
On June 14 2014 18:37 Spaylz wrote:
If GRRM dies before he finishes the story, that will be it. He has made it very clear that he does not wish for anyone to take on and finish the series should he die.

It means that if he does die (which frankly is not unlikely), we will know how the story ends through the show, but not through the books. Ever.

Frightening, isn't it?

He may wish that his books not be continued, but the publisher greed is too big for that to matter, honestly. They'd probably wait a few years at most before hiring some guy to write the last few books anyhow while coming up with some bullshit excuse why it's the right thing to do.


As far as i understood the show-writers know the general direction the story is taking so they would be able to finish the show even if the books wont be finished in time / not at all.

Then after the show aired you can release books for the story in the show.

Yeah they know the direction, but it just isn't the same.
I don't think they will be able to keep the lvl without the books tbh. I just pray that martin somehow manages it to publish the books before the show gets there.
My biggest hope is that it may be a strategy to publish them both together, i really hope that is the case.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
June 14 2014 14:43 GMT
#10705
On June 14 2014 23:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 23:29 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On June 14 2014 21:01 Conti wrote:
On June 14 2014 18:37 Spaylz wrote:
If GRRM dies before he finishes the story, that will be it. He has made it very clear that he does not wish for anyone to take on and finish the series should he die.

It means that if he does die (which frankly is not unlikely), we will know how the story ends through the show, but not through the books. Ever.

Frightening, isn't it?

He may wish that his books not be continued, but the publisher greed is too big for that to matter, honestly. They'd probably wait a few years at most before hiring some guy to write the last few books anyhow while coming up with some bullshit excuse why it's the right thing to do.


As far as i understood the show-writers know the general direction the story is taking so they would be able to finish the show even if the books wont be finished in time / not at all.

Then after the show aired you can release books for the story in the show.

Yeah they know the direction, but it just isn't the same.
I don't think they will be able to keep the lvl without the books tbh. I just pray that martin somehow manages it to publish the books before the show gets there.
My biggest hope is that it may be a strategy to publish them both together, i really hope that is the case.

Oh, my sweet summer child...

We'll be extremely lucky if we get the next book before the next season starts. And even then the next season will most likely contain big hints or spoilers for us book readers still. There is no way in the world the last book will be finished before the sixth season airs. Any book reader who doesn't prepare himself mentally for tons of spoilers coming from the show is in for quite a rough time.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 14 2014 14:48 GMT
#10706
I have no problem with spoilers, but i know that they will fuck it up without details, that is my biggest concern.
And tbh i don't think we will get THAT many spoilers either,i am still not convinced that the scene with the white walkers this season was a real spoiler.

And yeah i know that probably the next book will still take a while, but maybe, just MAYBE it is a plan to publish the things together to generate more hype. (kinda like he already did with adwd)
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-14 15:04:12
June 14 2014 15:03 GMT
#10707
Im not too worried about next season, they still got plenty to cover for a lot of characters. Quite a few characters still have to be introduced in the first place and only very few characters run low on content. Then the show just has to shift away from the vale and tell some other stories. Use bran to show some backstory. It starts to be a problem when the next book isnt published before the 6th season of the show. So 2016?
Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
June 14 2014 19:41 GMT
#10708
On June 14 2014 23:43 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 23:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 14 2014 23:29 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On June 14 2014 21:01 Conti wrote:
On June 14 2014 18:37 Spaylz wrote:
If GRRM dies before he finishes the story, that will be it. He has made it very clear that he does not wish for anyone to take on and finish the series should he die.

It means that if he does die (which frankly is not unlikely), we will know how the story ends through the show, but not through the books. Ever.

Frightening, isn't it?

He may wish that his books not be continued, but the publisher greed is too big for that to matter, honestly. They'd probably wait a few years at most before hiring some guy to write the last few books anyhow while coming up with some bullshit excuse why it's the right thing to do.


As far as i understood the show-writers know the general direction the story is taking so they would be able to finish the show even if the books wont be finished in time / not at all.

Then after the show aired you can release books for the story in the show.

Yeah they know the direction, but it just isn't the same.
I don't think they will be able to keep the lvl without the books tbh. I just pray that martin somehow manages it to publish the books before the show gets there.
My biggest hope is that it may be a strategy to publish them both together, i really hope that is the case.

Oh, my sweet summer child...

We'll be extremely lucky if we get the next book before the next season starts. And even then the next season will most likely contain big hints or spoilers for us book readers still. There is no way in the world the last book will be finished before the sixth season airs. Any book reader who doesn't prepare himself mentally for tons of spoilers coming from the show is in for quite a rough time.


Especially considering that the Sansa storyline has already run out of book material, so every time she is on screen it will either be filler or spoilers.

Myelf I'm still pretty undecided if I will continue watching the show knowing it will be spoiling the future books for me, or if I will try to live under a rock in order to avoid spoilers for years.
Member of the Pirate Party - direct democracy, institutional transparency, and freedom of information
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-14 19:48:40
June 14 2014 19:46 GMT
#10709
thought the latest interview with his publisher (some link on this thread about 10-15 pages back i think) stated she thought a 2015 release was possible, so we might get tWoW before season 6 airs - i highly doubt we're going to get the last book within a year of that tho, so very likely the show will reveal how it all ends (in big lines anyway) before we can read about it. Doesnt mean i hope the books get there first
On June 15 2014 04:41 Ender985 wrote:
Myelf I'm still pretty undecided if I will continue watching the show knowing it will be spoiling the future books for me, or if I will try to live under a rock in order to avoid spoilers for years.

yea, if it looks like it might only be 1 year or something (very unlikely i'd say, but you never know) perhaps i would not watch the show till i can get the book... but its probably not doable to dodge the spoilers for 2-3 years or even longer.
lilopuppy
Profile Joined August 2012
Philippines542 Posts
June 15 2014 04:44 GMT
#10710
This question might be asked before I just gotta ask. Is the show suffering from it's heavy focus on King's Landing? The Wall episode was fun and all, but it didn't feel like it mattered. It's like why are you showing me this, I barely know this guys, who the fuck are these gingers killing everybody? Where's Tyrion? I wanna see what happens to him, Jon Snow is cute and all, but goddamn, nothing interesting happened to him since season 2.
All the way to TI322!
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
June 15 2014 08:36 GMT
#10711
I think it's more because the most likeable characters this season were all in KL - oberyn, tyrion, jaime, tywin
None of the others are as popular as those 4 and they even were at the same place. Next season will bring fresh air for sure
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-15 08:40:30
June 15 2014 08:37 GMT
#10712
On June 15 2014 13:44 lilopuppy wrote:
This question might be asked before I just gotta ask. Is the show suffering from it's heavy focus on King's Landing? The Wall episode was fun and all, but it didn't feel like it mattered. It's like why are you showing me this, I barely know this guys, who the fuck are these gingers killing everybody? Where's Tyrion? I wanna see what happens to him, Jon Snow is cute and all, but goddamn, nothing interesting happened to him since season 2.

the books suffer from it too XD maybe not that much, but so many people hate on book 5 because it s filled with Essos and Wall

people like the central story line, lot more characters, more intertwined plots and relationships.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 15 2014 11:18 GMT
#10713
On June 15 2014 04:41 Ender985 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 23:43 Conti wrote:
On June 14 2014 23:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 14 2014 23:29 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On June 14 2014 21:01 Conti wrote:
On June 14 2014 18:37 Spaylz wrote:
If GRRM dies before he finishes the story, that will be it. He has made it very clear that he does not wish for anyone to take on and finish the series should he die.

It means that if he does die (which frankly is not unlikely), we will know how the story ends through the show, but not through the books. Ever.

Frightening, isn't it?

He may wish that his books not be continued, but the publisher greed is too big for that to matter, honestly. They'd probably wait a few years at most before hiring some guy to write the last few books anyhow while coming up with some bullshit excuse why it's the right thing to do.


As far as i understood the show-writers know the general direction the story is taking so they would be able to finish the show even if the books wont be finished in time / not at all.

Then after the show aired you can release books for the story in the show.

Yeah they know the direction, but it just isn't the same.
I don't think they will be able to keep the lvl without the books tbh. I just pray that martin somehow manages it to publish the books before the show gets there.
My biggest hope is that it may be a strategy to publish them both together, i really hope that is the case.

Oh, my sweet summer child...

We'll be extremely lucky if we get the next book before the next season starts. And even then the next season will most likely contain big hints or spoilers for us book readers still. There is no way in the world the last book will be finished before the sixth season airs. Any book reader who doesn't prepare himself mentally for tons of spoilers coming from the show is in for quite a rough time.


Especially considering that the Sansa storyline has already run out of book material, so every time she is on screen it will either be filler or spoilers.

Myelf I'm still pretty undecided if I will continue watching the show knowing it will be spoiling the future books for me, or if I will try to live under a rock in order to avoid spoilers for years.


They still have around 2 sansa chapters to do - the whole descent from the eyrie sequence and then Littlefinger's plot with the wedding etc. So in theory it shouldn't become too spoilery if they focus on the dorne / ironborn plots.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
June 15 2014 11:19 GMT
#10714
On June 15 2014 20:18 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2014 04:41 Ender985 wrote:
On June 14 2014 23:43 Conti wrote:
On June 14 2014 23:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 14 2014 23:29 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
On June 14 2014 21:01 Conti wrote:
On June 14 2014 18:37 Spaylz wrote:
If GRRM dies before he finishes the story, that will be it. He has made it very clear that he does not wish for anyone to take on and finish the series should he die.

It means that if he does die (which frankly is not unlikely), we will know how the story ends through the show, but not through the books. Ever.

Frightening, isn't it?

He may wish that his books not be continued, but the publisher greed is too big for that to matter, honestly. They'd probably wait a few years at most before hiring some guy to write the last few books anyhow while coming up with some bullshit excuse why it's the right thing to do.


As far as i understood the show-writers know the general direction the story is taking so they would be able to finish the show even if the books wont be finished in time / not at all.

Then after the show aired you can release books for the story in the show.

Yeah they know the direction, but it just isn't the same.
I don't think they will be able to keep the lvl without the books tbh. I just pray that martin somehow manages it to publish the books before the show gets there.
My biggest hope is that it may be a strategy to publish them both together, i really hope that is the case.

Oh, my sweet summer child...

We'll be extremely lucky if we get the next book before the next season starts. And even then the next season will most likely contain big hints or spoilers for us book readers still. There is no way in the world the last book will be finished before the sixth season airs. Any book reader who doesn't prepare himself mentally for tons of spoilers coming from the show is in for quite a rough time.


Especially considering that the Sansa storyline has already run out of book material, so every time she is on screen it will either be filler or spoilers.

Myelf I'm still pretty undecided if I will continue watching the show knowing it will be spoiling the future books for me, or if I will try to live under a rock in order to avoid spoilers for years.


They still have around 2 sansa chapters to do - the whole descent from the eyrie sequence and then Littlefinger's plot with the wedding etc. So in theory it shouldn't become too spoilery if they focus on the dorne / ironborn plots.

2 chapters equals about 2 episodes at most. So even if they just show the whole Sansa/LF plot in 4 out of 10 episodes next season (which seems pretty unlikely), we'll get spoilers.
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
June 15 2014 11:22 GMT
#10715
or filler content, you never know
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
June 15 2014 12:03 GMT
#10716
On June 15 2014 17:37 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2014 13:44 lilopuppy wrote:
This question might be asked before I just gotta ask. Is the show suffering from it's heavy focus on King's Landing? The Wall episode was fun and all, but it didn't feel like it mattered. It's like why are you showing me this, I barely know this guys, who the fuck are these gingers killing everybody? Where's Tyrion? I wanna see what happens to him, Jon Snow is cute and all, but goddamn, nothing interesting happened to him since season 2.

the books suffer from it too XD maybe not that much, but so many people hate on book 5 because it s filled with Essos and Wall

people like the central story line, lot more characters, more intertwined plots and relationships.


Really? For me book 4 was the worst. However, it was probably largely on account of how he did the book 4 and 5 split. For me, Melisandre at the wall was fresh and interesting, and Essos took some interesting turns because of Tyrion and Quentyn. Book 4 was a struggle during the middle where Jamie is rolling over some basic castles, Cersei is being paranoid-ish, Brienne also just rolling around countryside, Sam doing nothing on a boat, etc. It did have Dorne and it's not to say that Brienne, Cersei and Jamie didn't have interesting things happen, but it felt like nothing of consequence, especially post book 3, was really happening.

For me book 4 was the weakest. Order goes something like 4 < 2 < 5 < 1 < 3.
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scudst0rm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1149 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-15 13:36:38
June 15 2014 13:36 GMT
#10717
ADWD really hinges on how much you like Dany. I liked her chapters well enough and I'd put ADWD at #2/3.
You're like a one ranger army comin' at me...
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 15 2014 15:24 GMT
#10718
Oh come on. Someone just called Jon's parentage in the other thread. How could one guess that from the show? I mean, I'm not exaggerating here right? It seems over the top that someone would make that guess strictly from the show. Lyanna is barely ever mentioned...
I like words.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
June 15 2014 15:37 GMT
#10719
On June 14 2014 23:27 Spaylz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2014 21:21 Laurens wrote:
On June 14 2014 18:37 Spaylz wrote:
If GRRM dies before he finishes the story, that will be it. He has made it very clear that he does not wish for anyone to take on and finish the series should he die.

It means that if he does die (which frankly is not unlikely), we will know how the story ends through the show, but not through the books. Ever.

Frightening, isn't it?


Why is it not unlikely? He's 65, does he have some health issues?


Well, as you said, he's 65, and he is obese. So far so good though.

He has tons of money now I guess, so he'll buy another 10 years from science. or, trade his soul with the devil, which he might have already done anyways.
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
June 15 2014 15:49 GMT
#10720
On June 16 2014 00:24 Spaylz wrote:
Oh come on. Someone just called Jon's parentage in the other thread. How could one guess that from the show? I mean, I'm not exaggerating here right? It seems over the top that someone would make that guess strictly from the show. Lyanna is barely ever mentioned...


I've seen 2 reviewers that are "unsullied" and have made that guess. Just watching all the HBO content you can sort of guess it to be true. Robert talked a lot about Lyanna and how Rhaegar Targaryen took her away, and how Ned wanted to tell Jon about his mother, etc.

They also through in some insane theories too I think, but I placed them out of mind.
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