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On June 11 2014 13:03 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Wait, we're trying to ban people for 1-liners that can easily be interpreted as something groundbreaking to one person but pretty dull to another?
No, we are not. We are not trying to ban ever, we either do or we don't.
Still, comments like the one from Tolkien really shouldn't be made. I know I would be mad as fuck as an unsullied if someone points out that the final episode will be the hype and not a wrap up like the previous seasons. There is definitely people out there in the other thread avoiding any kind of spoiler, including the hype/previews from the show makers.
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On June 11 2014 15:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 15:00 Incognoto wrote:
Why did Oberyon die when Tyrion was innocent by the way? Trial by Combat isn't impartial. It's literally whoever has the most influence to have the command of a powerful swordsman, if you aren't one yourself. AKA the most influential/richest will generally win.
I thought gods helped nudge the fight
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On June 11 2014 15:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 15:00 Incognoto wrote:
Why did Oberyon die when Tyrion was innocent by the way? Trial by Combat isn't impartial. It's literally whoever has the most influence to have the command of a powerful swordsman, if you aren't one yourself. AKA the most influential/richest will generally win.
Tbh Cersei picking the mountain as her champion was a complete disaster and outlined her incompetence as a decision maker, even if the trial by combat was won. As far as I can remember there was a slight difference how it went down in the book - Oberyn offered to champion for Tyrion before Tyrion requested the trial by combat, albeit with the knowledge that it will be certainly the mountain he is going to fight against.
My problem with how the whole trial by combat was handled by Cersei, in the series in particular, was that showing the moutain as her hand was absolutely going to trigger Oberyn going against him which objectively should be avoided at all cost. Cersei should've been aware Oberyn has a personal motivation to fight and to expose Gregor and potentially her fighter for the murder of Oberyn's sister. Even if the mountain slashed Oberyn as soon as the fight began and the viper didn't get a chance to get anything out as a confession, it was still going to become a huge political shitstorm since it was the fucking prince of Dorne that was getting killed. Since Dorne is not under the direct juristdiction of the iron throne there's very little they can get in terms of compensation and given their hatred for the Lannisters a reaction was going to be expected for sure. Even buying off Bronn shows she had no clue whats coming, but lets assume she had no idea how good Oberyn was - at least in the show thats a fair assumption to make since fucking Jaime himself had no clue and was as a result was fairly entertained during the fight. Earlier in the show as she speaks with Oberyn, Cersei points out that he is a legendary fighter, so if she means that expecting him to come out for sure if the mountain is picked should make her that much more uncertain in the outcome. But stepping further back even risking the life of one of her fathers more valuable bannermen seems crazy.
In the grand scheme of things, since picking Gregor was for sure going to trigger Oberyn to fight there's very little to gain for Cersei. Either she was giving Oberyn the stage to get his confession and potentially even killing the mountain, one of her most trusted and valued soldiers, and even exposing her father, or she was killing the prince of Dorne which is going to piss a very strong house she has nothing to compensate with. Lets not forget her daughter is in Dorne too... But yea she wanted to desperately get Tyrion killed so she went for the biggest guy she knows without giving it a second thought. Surprisingly enough even Tywin wasn't able to foresee the consequences of that choice which to me is really weird. Tywin the calculated man he is has all the reasons not to allow that fight to happen or even to prevent it. Anyways even if the outcome was tragic and very upsetting for every book reader and tv show fan the more I think about it I realize that fight was always having bad consequences for Cersei and the Lannisters.
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On June 11 2014 15:00 Incognoto wrote:
Why did Oberyon die when Tyrion was innocent by the way?
Sansa helped in part (by wearing the necklace in the show/hairnet in books) and she's his wife by law so i suppose "the gods" might be like "yea fuck this he didnt do it but he didnt not do it either, let them kill each other"
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Eh, I don't think second-guessing decisions "made" by fictional characters really gets you anywhere.
Characters serve the plot, and the plot requires Lannisters' power in King's Landing to be undermined and eventually crumble, not consolidate. Basically things have to start going bad for the Lannisters at this point, and if Tywin's shrewd political mind was to kick in at every turn, he would be able to avert most of the bad things that are about to happen to his family.
From a less meta point of view, Tywin might have an eye for political matters, but he is notoriously shit when it comes to managing his family and the relationships between them. It's not that uncharacteristic for him to be just as blind as Cersei in this particular case, since the whole trial thing was practically an inter-family matter. Tywin and Cersei are remarkably similar when it comes to family issues.
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BTW, the new scoop is that there is no Lady Stoneheart this season. Why? Because some people apparently got a hold of GoT Emmy applications for special effects for ep 10 and there is no mention of LS there while they do mention Hound wounds and Man in Tree.
The info was on IMDB but I could not find the link this morning
EDIT: Found it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230863285
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On June 11 2014 09:31 xuanzue wrote:
why can anyone whine about spoilers in this thread?
Someone posted the Emmy thing earlier (and it is now reposted again above my post), this spoils what will happen in episode 10, and it is not in line with the books.
So basically it is a show spoiler for book readers... if that makes sense.
Since it is one of the most serious offences on TL/LD/LH to spoil the books to show viewers, there's something to be said for not allowing show spoilers to book readers either ..
Personally I'm not too fussed, it had been suggested in both threads that Brienne might fight the hound, so the idea was already in my head. Having it confirmed doesn't spoil much.
But I understand where c0ldfusion is coming from.
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On June 11 2014 19:20 -Archangel- wrote:BTW, the new scoop is that there is no Lady Stoneheart this season. Why? Because some people apparently got a hold of GoT Emmy applications for special effects for ep 10 and there is no mention of LS there while they do mention Hound wounds and Man in Tree. The info was on IMDB but I could not find the link this morning EDIT: Found it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230863285
I don't get why everyone expects LSH this season... that means that they have no content for her, Brienne and Podrick from the books anymore in the next season, except the act of "getting Jaime".
Of course they can make up content after that, or follow hints from GRRM, but why not flesh out the riverlands story a bit before introducing LSH
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On June 11 2014 19:40 Ketch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 19:20 -Archangel- wrote:BTW, the new scoop is that there is no Lady Stoneheart this season. Why? Because some people apparently got a hold of GoT Emmy applications for special effects for ep 10 and there is no mention of LS there while they do mention Hound wounds and Man in Tree. The info was on IMDB but I could not find the link this morning EDIT: Found it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230863285 I don't get why everyone expects LSH this season... that means that they have no content for her, Brienne and Podrick from the books anymore in the next season, except the act of "getting Jaime". Of course they can make up content after that, or follow hints from GRRM, but why not flesh out the riverlands story a bit before introducing LSH
The actress who plays Cersei uploaded some picture with a heart made of stones, that's why everyone expects LSH.
She doesn't have to meet Brienne yet, they could just show her.
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On June 11 2014 18:18 Koerage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 15:00 Incognoto wrote:
Why did Oberyon die when Tyrion was innocent by the way? Sansa helped in part (by wearing the necklace in the show/hairnet in books) and she's his wife by law so i suppose "the gods" might be like "yea fuck this he didnt do it but he didnt not do it either, let them kill each other"
That actually makes sense
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On June 11 2014 19:20 -Archangel- wrote:BTW, the new scoop is that there is no Lady Stoneheart this season. Why? Because some people apparently got a hold of GoT Emmy applications for special effects for ep 10 and there is no mention of LS there while they do mention Hound wounds and Man in Tree. The info was on IMDB but I could not find the link this morning EDIT: Found it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230863285
I'm not sure. It's quite possible that UnCat's makeup will simply be not nearly as impressive as the treeman's, and thus they didn't bother including hers in the nomination application. I mean, she'll be probably be pale, have a big-ass scar around her neck and wear white contact lenses, and that'll be about it. Compared to a guy who is literally fused to a tree, that's not very impressive.
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On June 11 2014 19:40 Ketch wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 19:20 -Archangel- wrote:BTW, the new scoop is that there is no Lady Stoneheart this season. Why? Because some people apparently got a hold of GoT Emmy applications for special effects for ep 10 and there is no mention of LS there while they do mention Hound wounds and Man in Tree. The info was on IMDB but I could not find the link this morning EDIT: Found it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230863285 I don't get why everyone expects LSH this season... that means that they have no content for her, Brienne and Podrick from the books anymore in the next season, except the act of "getting Jaime". Of course they can make up content after that, or follow hints from GRRM, but why not flesh out the riverlands story a bit before introducing LSH
She was introduced in the books in the epilogue of Storm of Swords when she hangs the Freys, so it makes sense as a possibility for the end of this season. It also makes some sense not to pay the actor for just one scene and delay it til next year.
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On June 11 2014 20:20 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 19:20 -Archangel- wrote:BTW, the new scoop is that there is no Lady Stoneheart this season. Why? Because some people apparently got a hold of GoT Emmy applications for special effects for ep 10 and there is no mention of LS there while they do mention Hound wounds and Man in Tree. The info was on IMDB but I could not find the link this morning EDIT: Found it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/board/thread/230863285 I'm not sure. It's quite possible that UnCat's makeup will simply be not nearly as impressive as the treeman's, and thus they didn't bother including hers in the nomination application. I mean, she'll be probably be pale, have a big-ass scar around her neck and wear white contact lenses, and that'll be about it. Compared to a guy who is literally fused to a tree, that's not very impressive.
It's possible, but they also included the Hound's burns as part of the alleged submission.
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For better or for worse next episode is make or break for me with LSH... they need to have her in please please please.
Otherwise its kinda ruined even with all the other amazing stuff.
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If one line posts hyping up the next episode are considered spoilers, then every one line quote from movie critics they show with TV commercials for movies are spoilers.
"omg, siskel and ebert gave this movie two thumbs up?!? whats the point of seeing it now..."
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Question....
+ Show Spoiler +Was Ygritte pregnant?? hence why she got so mad when John left her (after the cave cuddle and all) and later when she died says "you know nothing John Snow?"
Too tragic if true.
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On June 11 2014 16:29 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 15:21 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 11 2014 15:00 Incognoto wrote:
Why did Oberyon die when Tyrion was innocent by the way? Trial by Combat isn't impartial. It's literally whoever has the most influence to have the command of a powerful swordsman, if you aren't one yourself. AKA the most influential/richest will generally win. Surprisingly enough even Tywin wasn't able to foresee the consequences of that choice which to me is really weird. Tywin the calculated man he is has all the reasons not to allow that fight to happen or even to prevent it. Anyways even if the outcome was tragic and very upsetting for every book reader and tv show fan the more I think about it I realize that fight was always having bad consequences for Cersei and the Lannisters.
Tywin's original plan was to have Tyrion confess to the crime and then he would be allowed to take the black. He didn't forsee Tyrion rolling the dice and going with trial by combat and since Tyrion annonced it in public there was nothing Tywin could do but let it happen.
Also, Cersei dumb.
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On June 11 2014 21:03 chillpenguin wrote:
If one line posts hyping up the next episode are considered spoilers, then every one line quote from movie critics they show with TV commercials for movies are spoilers.
"omg, siskel and ebert gave this movie two thumbs up?!? whats the point of seeing it now..."
The show runners themselves hype the last episode up.
“It’s the best finale we’ve ever done, bar none,” said "GoT" showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss, according to Entertainment Weekly. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/10/game-of-thrones-finale_n_5479391.html as posted in the other thread.
I mean previews, episode titles and such interviews can get you spoiled and you find it all over the web even if you havent read the books. You cant protect people from everything.
Personally I would rather avoid reading the episode titles and watch the previews in advance because then im less suprised about whats going to happen and my expectations go through the roof. Its just a less open minded way to watch then but its impossible to avoid it if you read th threads on teamliquid.
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On June 11 2014 15:00 Incognoto wrote:
Why did Oberyon die when Tyrion was innocent by the way?
lol what? Ask the gods.
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On June 11 2014 21:23 YyapSsap wrote:Question.... + Show Spoiler +Was Ygritte pregnant?? hence why she got so mad when John left her (after the cave cuddle and all) and later when she died says "you know nothing John Snow?" Too tragic if true.
I looked into this a while back. It's somewhat open but so far the evidence points to no. Obviously it's inconsequential in the grand scheme of things either way.
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