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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
May 13 2014 19:39 GMT
#9681
On May 14 2014 04:29 Spaylz wrote:
Man, I just rewatched the final scene.

I absolutely love Oberyn's expression when Tyrion demands a trial by combat. I just can't fucking wait for the battle.


I'm more scared they'll fuck this epic scene up like the last (two) fight scene(s) .
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 13 2014 19:45 GMT
#9682
Is it confirmed S7 = Book 7 though? That would mean AFFC and ADWD = season 5. Which is... conceivable, but that might be pushing it. ASOS already has taken up 2 seasons - though understandable considering it's pretty much the most action/plot-packed book so far.
It's your boy Guzma!
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
May 13 2014 19:55 GMT
#9683
The producers have stated that they would like to finish the show in 7 seasons. Whether they can or will is another topic, but it seems to be their intent. I don't see how it's not doable. After the events of this season, the rest of AFFC/ADWD can certainly be condensed.

What I am more doubtful about is the content of TWOW. GRRM has said the book will be larger than ADWD, which was already pretty voluminous, and it will supposedly have a lot of action. Two big battles, many important characters coming together or reaching a key point in their story, plus a lot more of the Others... Though S5 might not need to be "split up", I think S6 is more likely to be.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 13 2014 19:57 GMT
#9684
Maybe they'll start to do more than 10 episodes per season?
It's your boy Guzma!
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
May 13 2014 20:18 GMT
#9685
or maybe book 7 is shorter and more of a recap/cleaning up while 6 solved the biggest plotpoint, meaning book 7 isn't the most relevant book.
reading that, that makes no sense at all tho...
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 13 2014 20:20 GMT
#9686
Book 7 will likely be a lot of wrap up chapters, probably one for each of the surviving "big" characters. However, I have no doubts that it'll also have a lot of crazy twists and surprises in the first half or more.
It's your boy Guzma!
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-13 20:25:50
May 13 2014 20:25 GMT
#9687
It's called A Dream of Spring. Somehow, I really doubt there will be as much wrapping up as people expect. I fully expect loose ends to linger, or at least characters to live on without a real conclusion, leaving the rest to the reader's imagination. There are way too many characters to properly end of all their story lines.

It'll be people picking up the pieces. I also think the "great conflict" with the Others will stretch over two books. I would personally be disappointed if it didn't. We've waited 5 books for this to happen, so if it gets all solved in book 6 + beginning of 7... bleh.

I feel like a good course would be to start in book 6, somewhat after the beginning, and end the book in a cliffhangery finish with a giant blow dealt to Westeros by the Others somehow. Perhaps the fall of the Wall, though I have a feeling the Others will breach/pass it before that.

The point is, all that speculation could drive one mad!
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Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
May 13 2014 20:37 GMT
#9688
On May 13 2014 21:52 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2014 21:37 c0ldfusion wrote:
On May 13 2014 21:28 Redox wrote:
On May 13 2014 21:26 c0ldfusion wrote:
On May 13 2014 21:18 Redox wrote:
On May 13 2014 20:19 Bowzar wrote:
Im not sure how people will react to Tyrion strangling Shae. In the book she was clearly trying to humiliate Tyrion with all the bullshit and the fake tears but it felt like in the show that she was being threatened by Tywin.

I thought it was total bs that he killed her in the book. She was just a whore. Why would she stay true to her former customer, especially when pressured by the queen? There is no way Tyrion could have ever expected something different from her. Varys also tells him so "you knew what she was". Tyrion basically killed her because of some delusions he had because she had been good at her job.
But I also learned by now that most book readers seem to think killing her was somehow justfied. I just can not agree.

Shae's end is largely inconsequential given the more serious act of Tyrion killing Tywin.

Yeah but that one is fully justified imo.

How is it justified? He knowingly threw the realm into chaos for what? Because his father tormented him?

The whole vanguard thing from season 1, I'm not convinced the intended was to have Tyrion sacrificed.

The horrible thing he did there was murdering his father. If that is a problem for the realm or not is a problem that ranks much lower and nothing that you would even consider at that point.
His own father betrayed him and denied him a fair trial, leading to a death sentence. I think that alone justifies it not even counting all the other stuff like Tysha etc.


How was he denied a fair trial? Obviously Cersei was scheming against him the entire time but everything outside of what Shae said was pretty much fact. The problem was everything was stacked against him and he knew it. Everything he has said since the beginning of the series came back to bite him in the ass and Sansa being the one who actually poisoned Jeoffry then disappearing absolutely didn't help anything on his end.

The trial would have been a foregone conclusion regardless of who the judges were, Tywin was just using it to his own advantage to continue on the family line.
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
May 13 2014 21:06 GMT
#9689
Really? Did he get to question witnesses? Explain context? Call his own witnesses? Cersei even tried to bribe his squire to lie against him

LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
May 14 2014 01:19 GMT
#9690
I'm betting that the theory in which Oberyn poisoned Tywin will be added to the list of theories that have been confirmed by the show so far.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 01:24:59
May 14 2014 01:24 GMT
#9691
Dumb question, why did Tywin never remarry? I have no idea how old Tyrion is, but he is like 30ish right? Since Tywin's wife died during Tyrions birth, Tywin had like 30ish years to remarry and father more children. Shouldn't he have grown super concerned with legacy/family and all that good stuff once Jaime joined the kingsguard? He didn't have a suitable heir at that point since he considers Tyrion to be a disgrace/useless.

He should have started looking for a new wife asap!?!
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 01:33:39
May 14 2014 01:33 GMT
#9692
On May 14 2014 10:24 KadaverBB wrote:
Dumb question, why did Tywin never remarry? I have no idea how old Tyrion is, but he is like 30ish right? Since Tywin's wife died during Tyrions birth, Tywin had like 30ish years to remarry and father more children. Shouldn't he have grown super concerned with legacy/family and all that good stuff once Jaime joined the kingsguard? He didn't have a suitable heir at that point since he considers Tyrion to be a disgrace/useless.

He should have started looking for a new wife asap!?!


He's only ever loved one person and that was his previous wife. After she died, he couldn't be stuffed to get another one.

*And yes that makes him a hypocrite, but he always was one.
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daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 01:35:07
May 14 2014 01:34 GMT
#9693
He took the loss of his wife hard, if you can believe it out of Tywin. Then again we know he was also whoring afterwards, something he managed to hide from his children. Bit of a hypocrite, Tywin.
LilClinkin
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Australia667 Posts
May 14 2014 02:09 GMT
#9694
Can some one explain the Yarra scene to me? It really made no sense...and I don't recall it ever happening.

I read the books a couple of years ago and my memory is pretty hazy of what occurred...it makes it worse considering all of the changes the show makers have made to the Iron Islander's story.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 02:23:39
May 14 2014 02:22 GMT
#9695
It never happened in books, it was there to show Theon's transformation to Reek, because the series cannot show internal monologue, which is where Reek's pov is mainly told in books.

The fact that the one ship crew somehow managed to cross to the other side of westeros (a boat over land or sail like..totally around the whole continent) for a half assed rescue attempt is not explainable, it simply happened.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 14 2014 02:30 GMT
#9696
Im trying to re read the last book, trying to find out if there are enough materials to make the next season(6) of the TV show. The sandsnake is 1 arc, cersei is 1 arc, Asha and the kraken things is 1 arc, Arya is 1 arc, Sam and snow make 1 arc.... is that enough for 10 episodes? What else?
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 03:27:12
May 14 2014 03:20 GMT
#9697
On May 14 2014 11:30 NB wrote:
Im trying to re read the last book, trying to find out if there are enough materials to make the next season(6) of the TV show. The sandsnake is 1 arc, cersei is 1 arc, Asha and the kraken things is 1 arc, Arya is 1 arc, Sam and snow make 1 arc.... is that enough for 10 episodes? What else?


Do you mean aFfC and for season 5? That appears to be what everything you mentioned is from iirc.

If so, to add to your list:

- Jamie's arc had a lot of good substance to fill the season (imo the best PoV of that book). There's his continued drift away from Cersei. His desperation in trying to reclaim his swordsmanship with Illyn Payne (might not be needed now that Bronn has kinda taken on that role this season...). The siege of Riverrun etc.

- Brienne's arc could be stretched out...just like in the books >.>

- There's a little of Sansa/Littlefinger to maybe do something with.

They'll probably be combining more elements from aDwD as well which has more than enough to make a full season and share with the less eventful contributions of the 4th book. I could see 2 seasons out of the next two books with some added material of their own mixed in. Dunno if they'll do that though, I believe they've stated several times that they just want the next two books combined into 1 season. Which gives Martin less time ;;
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
May 14 2014 03:54 GMT
#9698
I don't recall them saying that they wanted to combine the next 2 books into one season, just that the events from the next 2 books would be combined so that they happen in chronological order rather than splitting them into Westeros/Essos like Feast and Dance did for the most part. They can't have actors gone for an entire season and hope to keep them, which is one reason they add some of their show created scenes, to give actors who haven't had much screen time something to justify keeping them around until they are important again.

There is more than enough material to make 2 seasons worth if they want to. Assuming you combine the books and stretch them out over 2 seasons, you have all the Greyjoys to introduce, Victarion, Euron, Damphair, the Dorne story line, Cersei's run in with the church, Arya in Braavos, Sam to Old Town, Jaime, Brienne and Pod, any invented scenes they make up, Tyrion in Essos, Dany, Jon, Bran, Quentyn Martell, Theon, Davos, Stannis, Aegon, Varys, Sansa, Littlefinger, Kevin Lannister, the Manderlys and Frey Pie, ect.
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
May 14 2014 04:37 GMT
#9699
On May 14 2014 11:09 LilClinkin wrote:
Can some one explain the Yarra scene to me? It really made no sense...and I don't recall it ever happening.

I read the books a couple of years ago and my memory is pretty hazy of what occurred...it makes it worse considering all of the changes the show makers have made to the Iron Islander's story.


It simply didn't happen in the books. This sadly makes the books and show not that dissimilar in this regard.

At this point nothing happens that is just like in the books. It can be similar, the broad strokes are the same, and a decent few lines are still at least closely paraphrased from the books. The specifics are all different now though.

We can't even meaningfully fill in blanks on events like the purple wedding poison plot. The show version has too many different details. At this point we are along for the ride in an alternate version of asoiaf rather than watching a story we already know in a different medium.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 14 2014 08:32 GMT
#9700
http://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/25g4hd/s4e6_where_yara_has_been_this_season/ yeah that dread fort scene made no sense what so ever. I cringed so hard seeing Ramsay naked with daggers charge into 2 guys with shield...

About next season, I think we won't see Briene much since I expect this season to end with Stoneheart as a cliffhanger. And yeah I forgot about Tyrion and Varys part. And little finger too. Can't wait.
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