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On May 13 2014 03:35 Dunmer wrote: People who only watch the show probably expect Bronn to fight for him still as he wasnt a witness in the show and as far as they know still "loyal" to tyrion. So trial by combat is a logical idea.
Hadnt refreshed so didnt see the guy above me posting ^^
I disagree. In the show Tyrion made a point of asking Bronn if he got Shae away... yet Shae was there for the trial. Having read the books I can't comment personally, but my gf was like 'wtf, I thought Bronn put her on a boat'. So yeah, with Shae turning back up should be enough to make non book readers question Bronn's loyalty / truthfulness.
I liked the episode... I was a little sad about how they showed the titan of Bravos, as I wanted to see like Arya POV being amazed by it or whatever, but I enjoyed Davos' monologue to the Iron bank. The trial was great, and the tweaks they've made here and there are coming together well (not necessarily worse than the books, just different).
I'm glad the did some setting up with the dragon killing some sheep... I'm really looking forward to the guy presenting his dead son now. Interested where they are gonna go with Hizadahr (i cant remember how to spell), surprised he didn't mention the fighting pits.
They made Hizdahr a more sympathetic character, much less slimey than in the books thus far. Then again it was a 5 minute appearance will see how things go in the future
Oh, there's no way he's not still a slimeball. Even if I hadn't read the books, a slaver showing a sympathetic side the first time he speaks is, to me, a giant sign flashing "this guy is probably not on the level".
I always pictured him as oozing slime directly proportional to the amount of swag Daario produced. Considering Daario has no purple beard I suppose it makes sense that Hizzy is a little less slimey.
I'm kinda iffy on the way they're doing Shae's motivation in the show.
It seems super weak for her to be doing this entirely out of spite/jealousy for Sansa. Just not convincing enough for me. I wonder what more they'll reveal of her reasons in the upcoming episodes.
On May 13 2014 04:47 Waxangel wrote: I'm kinda iffy on the way they're doing Shae's motivation in the show.
It seems super weak for her to be doing this entirely out of spite/jealousy for Sansa. Just not convincing enough for me. I wonder what more they'll reveal of her reasons in the upcoming episodes.
I bet she really does care about Tyrion... I can totally see her getting pretty choked up if Tyrion loses the trial...
Loved when Tyrion finally got his say. Dinkleage delivered it very well. If im not mistaken half that monologue was in his head in the book. Suited the scene very well that he shouted it out.
On May 13 2014 04:47 Waxangel wrote: I'm kinda iffy on the way they're doing Shae's motivation in the show.
Yeah, I found the true-whore-approach in the books much more becoming and dignified.
Oh well, there's plenty of other strong female characters, doesn't hurt to have one behave in an overly emotional, irrational, teenage-cheerleader-on-her-period behaviour. Just as there are plenty of badasses for each horny, dim-witted brute on the male front.
On May 13 2014 05:02 GENerateSAYing wrote: Can anyone post the dialogue with the pirate telling the joke in the baht, I couldn't hear because of his accent.
It's a really old joke, here's a close version of it:
Long ago, when sailing ships ruled the sea, this captain and his crew were always in danger of being boarded by pirates from a pirate ship.
One day while they were sailing, they saw that a pirate ship had sent a boarding party to try and board their ship. The crew became worried, but the Captain was calm.
He bellowed to his First Mate, "Bring me my red shirt!"
The First Mate quickly got the Captain's red shirt, which the captain put on. Then he led his crew into battle against the mean pirates. Although there were some casualties among the crew, the pirates were defeated.
Later that day, the lookout screamed that there were two pirate vessels sending two boarding parties towards their ship. The crew was nervous, but the Captain, calm as ever, bellowed, "Bring me my red shirt!" And once again the battle was on!
The Captain and his crew fought off the boarding parties, though this time more casualties occurred.
Weary from the battles, the men sat around on deck that night recounting the day's events when an ensign looked at the Captain and asked, "Sir, why did you call for your red shirt before the battle?"
The Captain, giving the ensign a look that only a captain can give, explained, "If I am wounded in battle, the red shirt does not show the blood, so you men will continue to fight unafraid." The men sat in silence. They were amazed at the courage of such a man.
As dawn came the next morning, the lookout screamed that there were pirate ships, 10 of them, all with boarding parties on their way. The men became silent and looked to the Captain, their leader, for his usual command.
The Captain, calm as ever, bellowed, 'Bring me my brown pants!!!'
On May 13 2014 04:10 Monsen wrote: That Ramsay naked fighting scene was just plain retarded. Just when I thought it couldn't get any sillier than fighting a longsword with 2 daggers (Jon Snow at the Casters) they pull out this idiocy.
A guy with 2 daggers could totally fight someone with a longsword. What was ridiculous about that scene was that the fight lasted longer than two seconds - either the longsword skewers the dagger guy immediately, or the dagger guy manages to get close enough while deflecting the blade and sticks the longsword guy immediately. Buuuuuut the sword-through-the-mouth was so badass I forgave them for that
Anyhow, yeah the Ramsay thing was dumb
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Hate everything about the show's portrayal of Shae, but Dinklage's rant at the end was so awesome that I can't keep complaining. So pumped to see Oberyn fighting and Tywin dying
On May 13 2014 05:02 GENerateSAYing wrote: Can anyone post the dialogue with the pirate telling the joke in the baht, I couldn't hear because of his accent.
It's a really old joke, here's a close version of it:
Long ago, when sailing ships ruled the sea, this captain and his crew were always in danger of being boarded by pirates from a pirate ship.
One day while they were sailing, they saw that a pirate ship had sent a boarding party to try and board their ship. The crew became worried, but the Captain was calm.
He bellowed to his First Mate, "Bring me my red shirt!"
The First Mate quickly got the Captain's red shirt, which the captain put on. Then he led his crew into battle against the mean pirates. Although there were some casualties among the crew, the pirates were defeated.
Later that day, the lookout screamed that there were two pirate vessels sending two boarding parties towards their ship. The crew was nervous, but the Captain, calm as ever, bellowed, "Bring me my red shirt!" And once again the battle was on!
The Captain and his crew fought off the boarding parties, though this time more casualties occurred.
Weary from the battles, the men sat around on deck that night recounting the day's events when an ensign looked at the Captain and asked, "Sir, why did you call for your red shirt before the battle?"
The Captain, giving the ensign a look that only a captain can give, explained, "If I am wounded in battle, the red shirt does not show the blood, so you men will continue to fight unafraid." The men sat in silence. They were amazed at the courage of such a man.
As dawn came the next morning, the lookout screamed that there were pirate ships, 10 of them, all with boarding parties on their way. The men became silent and looked to the Captain, their leader, for his usual command.
The Captain, calm as ever, bellowed, 'Bring me my brown pants!!!'
On May 13 2014 04:10 Monsen wrote: That Ramsay naked fighting scene was just plain retarded. Just when I thought it couldn't get any sillier than fighting a longsword with 2 daggers (Jon Snow at the Casters) they pull out this idiocy.
A guy with 2 daggers could totally fight someone with a longsword. What was ridiculous about that scene was that the fight lasted longer than two seconds - either the longsword skewers the dagger guy immediately, or the dagger guy manages to get close enough while deflecting the blade and sticks the longsword guy immediately. Buuuuuut the sword-through-the-mouth was so badass I forgave them for that (...)
Na, the swordfighter would grab his sword by the ricasso, thrusting with the point and striking with the guard and handle. The fighter with the dagger would try to trap the blade and stab the swordfighter. If both are armored this goes probably into a wrestling fight, if none of them gets a lucky hit.
On May 13 2014 04:10 Monsen wrote: That Ramsay naked fighting scene was just plain retarded. Just when I thought it couldn't get any sillier than fighting a longsword with 2 daggers (Jon Snow at the Casters) they pull out this idiocy.
A guy with 2 daggers could totally fight someone with a longsword. What was ridiculous about that scene was that the fight lasted longer than two seconds - either the longsword skewers the dagger guy immediately, or the dagger guy manages to get close enough while deflecting the blade and sticks the longsword guy immediately. Buuuuuut the sword-through-the-mouth was so badass I forgave them for that (...)
Na, the swordfighter would grab his sword by the ricasso, thrusting with the point and striking with the guard and handle. The fighter with the dagger would try to trap the blade and stab the swordfighter. If both are armored this goes probably into a wrestling fight, if none of them gets a lucky hit.
It would come down to speed vs strength. If the dagger fighter is fast enough and skilled enough he could parry and out manoeuvre the long swords reach. On the other hand if the Long sword could just cut through the dagger user in one swing he ain't got a chance.
On May 13 2014 04:10 Monsen wrote: That Ramsay naked fighting scene was just plain retarded. Just when I thought it couldn't get any sillier than fighting a longsword with 2 daggers (Jon Snow at the Casters) they pull out this idiocy.
A guy with 2 daggers could totally fight someone with a longsword. What was ridiculous about that scene was that the fight lasted longer than two seconds - either the longsword skewers the dagger guy immediately, or the dagger guy manages to get close enough while deflecting the blade and sticks the longsword guy immediately. Buuuuuut the sword-through-the-mouth was so badass I forgave them for that (...)
Na, the swordfighter would grab his sword by the ricasso, thrusting with the point and striking with the guard and handle. The fighter with the dagger would try to trap the blade and stab the swordfighter. If both are armored this goes probably into a wrestling fight, if none of them gets a lucky hit.
It would come down to speed vs strength. If the dagger fighter is fast enough and skilled enough he could parry and out manoeuvre the long swords reach. On the other hand if the Long sword could just cut through the dagger user in one swing he ain't got a chance.
Similar in a way to Oberyn vs the Mountain.
Actually, now I'm laughing at the foreshadowing here.
-Arya is practicing her Water Dancing, Sandor tells her that dancing around like that is going to get her killed. She tries to stab him and he just slaps the shit out of her. -Karl and Jon Snow fight. Karl has the upper hand with speed and trickery, but Jon ends up stabbing him and killing him pretty horribly. -Locke is being sneaky and kidnaps Bran. He draws his knife and threatens Hodor, the giant. Hodor breaks his neck. -The champion of Meereen fights against Daario with speed (well, a horse) and a spear. Daario puts his knife through the horse's eye and cuts his head off.
Maybe some of these are a stretch, but I feel like there's some deliberate use of fight sequences.
On May 13 2014 04:10 Monsen wrote: That Ramsay naked fighting scene was just plain retarded. Just when I thought it couldn't get any sillier than fighting a longsword with 2 daggers (Jon Snow at the Casters) they pull out this idiocy.
A guy with 2 daggers could totally fight someone with a longsword. What was ridiculous about that scene was that the fight lasted longer than two seconds - either the longsword skewers the dagger guy immediately, or the dagger guy manages to get close enough while deflecting the blade and sticks the longsword guy immediately. Buuuuuut the sword-through-the-mouth was so badass I forgave them for that (...)
Na, the swordfighter would grab his sword by the ricasso, thrusting with the point and striking with the guard and handle. The fighter with the dagger would try to trap the blade and stab the swordfighter. If both are armored this goes probably into a wrestling fight, if none of them gets a lucky hit.
It would come down to speed vs strength. If the dagger fighter is fast enough and skilled enough he could parry and out manoeuvre the long swords reach. On the other hand if the Long sword could just cut through the dagger user in one swing he ain't got a chance.
Similar in a way to Oberyn vs the Mountain.
You're assuming that the swordfighter has no close combat options, which is not correct. He can use a halfsword technique, with which his sword is more manouverable but somewhat negates his superior range (Which is already negated by the close quarters, in a fight on the field the daggerfighter would have a serious disadvantage). He has the advantage of having two hands on the blade for a stronger grip and stronger thrusts with which he can force the dagger fighter back. the dagger fighter can attack from different directions. If they are equally skilled, this can be quite a long fight. But anyway, we are talking about a fantasy tv series.
€: Btw, as long as the dagger is not a cheap piece of crappy metal, no sword is able to cut through it.
On May 13 2014 04:10 Monsen wrote: That Ramsay naked fighting scene was just plain retarded. Just when I thought it couldn't get any sillier than fighting a longsword with 2 daggers (Jon Snow at the Casters) they pull out this idiocy.
A guy with 2 daggers could totally fight someone with a longsword. What was ridiculous about that scene was that the fight lasted longer than two seconds - either the longsword skewers the dagger guy immediately, or the dagger guy manages to get close enough while deflecting the blade and sticks the longsword guy immediately. Buuuuuut the sword-through-the-mouth was so badass I forgave them for that (...)
Na, the swordfighter would grab his sword by the ricasso, thrusting with the point and striking with the guard and handle. The fighter with the dagger would try to trap the blade and stab the swordfighter. If both are armored this goes probably into a wrestling fight, if none of them gets a lucky hit.
It would come down to speed vs strength. If the dagger fighter is fast enough and skilled enough he could parry and out manoeuvre the long swords reach. On the other hand if the Long sword could just cut through the dagger user in one swing he ain't got a chance.
Similar in a way to Oberyn vs the Mountain.
Actually, now I'm laughing at the foreshadowing here.
-Arya is practicing her Water Dancing, Sandor tells her that dancing around like that is going to get her killed. She tries to stab him and he just slaps the shit out of her. -Karl and Jon Snow fight. Karl has the upper hand with speed and trickery, but Jon ends up stabbing him and killing him pretty horribly. -Locke is being sneaky and kidnaps Bran. He draws his knife and threatens Hodor, the giant. Hodor breaks his neck. -The champion of Meereen fights against Daario with speed (well, a horse) and a spear. Daario puts his knife through the horse's eye and cuts his head off.
Maybe some of these are a stretch, but I feel like there's some deliberate use of fight sequences.
nice point, it might be coinsidence but it looks nice for sure. also, is the music playing during the ending (when they show all the names) "the rains of castamere" or am i confusing it with something?
On May 13 2014 04:10 Monsen wrote: That Ramsay naked fighting scene was just plain retarded. Just when I thought it couldn't get any sillier than fighting a longsword with 2 daggers (Jon Snow at the Casters) they pull out this idiocy.
A guy with 2 daggers could totally fight someone with a longsword. What was ridiculous about that scene was that the fight lasted longer than two seconds - either the longsword skewers the dagger guy immediately, or the dagger guy manages to get close enough while deflecting the blade and sticks the longsword guy immediately. Buuuuuut the sword-through-the-mouth was so badass I forgave them for that (...)
Na, the swordfighter would grab his sword by the ricasso, thrusting with the point and striking with the guard and handle. The fighter with the dagger would try to trap the blade and stab the swordfighter. If both are armored this goes probably into a wrestling fight, if none of them gets a lucky hit.
It would come down to speed vs strength. If the dagger fighter is fast enough and skilled enough he could parry and out manoeuvre the long swords reach. On the other hand if the Long sword could just cut through the dagger user in one swing he ain't got a chance.
Similar in a way to Oberyn vs the Mountain.
Actually, now I'm laughing at the foreshadowing here.
-Arya is practicing her Water Dancing, Sandor tells her that dancing around like that is going to get her killed. She tries to stab him and he just slaps the shit out of her. -Karl and Jon Snow fight. Karl has the upper hand with speed and trickery, but Jon ends up stabbing him and killing him pretty horribly. -Locke is being sneaky and kidnaps Bran. He draws his knife and threatens Hodor, the giant. Hodor breaks his neck. -The champion of Meereen fights against Daario with speed (well, a horse) and a spear. Daario puts his knife through the horse's eye and cuts his head off.
Maybe some of these are a stretch, but I feel like there's some deliberate use of fight sequences.
nice point, it might be coinsidence but it looks nice for sure. also, is the music playing during the ending (when they show all the names) "the rains of castamere" or am i confusing it with something?
I've read the books, really impressed with Tyrion but now I am even more impressed on how Peter delivered the scene. His face when he saw Shae and his whole confession. It was perfect. About Shae, I am not sure what to make of it. I like the book version better because I felt that Shae hurt Tyrion more.
As expected Yara/Asha subplot was pretty shit, badly executed too. Sailing around the entirety of Westeros to get to the Dreadfort only to not just kill the dogs by sticking your swords through the cages, followed by a miracle escape when there's like 4 Ironborn left vs the rest of the Dreadfort. Mad props to Alfie Allen though, that guy can act.
Also it is so out of character for Ramsay to have sex with that girl, and especially letting her dominate him. If he doesn't kill her within the next few episodes, it really doesn't make sense. Ramsay is all about power play, it's the only thing that arouses him. That's what psychopaths are.
Trial was incredible. All main cast members knocking it out of the park, and even the Shae actress wasn't horrible for once.
EPT
