[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 48

, i dont know, i think it's pretty settled that's Danny is AA in my eyes. Maybe the Prince who was Promised, though idk much about that profecy, Melisandre thinks it's the same as AA, but i dont think that s necessary. But it does seem strange that there are tears and the wound is smoking, it s hardly a coincidence, but still, where's Dragonstone in all this? And btw when Jon is stabbed, Ghost is nowhere near, at least they say he s locked up, so if he s resurrected he should be something like Dondarrion, no? And that s just very strange

Wow, Just finished Reading ADWD, and All i got to say its prob one of my favorites in the serise (possible joint top with ASoS), but omg, who saw that ending comming? :D and WTF JON!? ARRRRRRRRAAGAGAGAG. i was so happy when jon was like finaly im going to go kick some ass down south, then the next thing is hes getting Stabbed To death. OMFG I WAS ANGRY at that point

So, first of all the prologue chapter might be the best in the series except the sack of Astapor. Varamyr Sixskins has such a convincing and painful story. It also provides some excellent explanation about whats going on with all the stark kids being shapeshifters.

Martin said that it was the "Mereenes knot" that make the book take so long to write, but it kinda feel like most of it was kinda dull. Tyrions first two chapters are brilliant, i especially enjoyed hearing Illyrio talk about his past life (making him one of the most exciting characters), but after that it takes way to long to get any ware. In a way Tyrions interaction with Penny is essential to his development, but everything going on around him is kinda boring. I really wanted him to chat with Dany and will be terribly disappointed if they don't get to meet up in the next book. Ser Barristan was a joy to read. But I'm kinda disappointed there didn't end up being some huge event in store. Listening to him wrestle with his Kingsguard ideal is great, but it would have been so much better if he was forced he had been forced to execute one the hostage children. Danys chapters contain so much brilliant thematic material, her infertility and how her dragons/freedmen have become her children, but that they are just creating problems, how she wants to be a girl and how being a queen get in the way of each other. But it all takes place in the stinking mess of Mereen and is kinda annoying to read. The resolution is really really awesome, the scene when she first mounts Drogon in the arena is another high point for the series and will be a joy to behold on tv. But her final chapter really is the crowning moment of the volume and gives clear direction for The Winds of Winter. I love how she is alone in it and while she is kinda vulnerable all the time she shows no fear. It really is brilliant that the last time she met a Khalasar she was sold as a slave and now she arrives as a Queen riding on a Dragon. Now, I don't know what will happen next book, but she obviously is gonna get moving to Westeros. I also kinda think the Quentyn Martell chapters are kinda lame and mostly serve to make the two dragons wreck havoc on the city and make Danys future relations to Dorne harder (i predict a succession battle between her and Aegon)

Speaking of Dorne, any chapter set there is bound to be awesome and unfortunately there was only one in this book. If he doesn't the girl they send to kings landing a pov character next book i will be terribly disappointed!

Jons second and third chapters are really quite brilliant. How Jon mentally repeats the "Kill the child" mantra throughout his interactions with Sam are quite amazing and when he commands Jason Slynt first to be hanged, then remembers his father and decides to behead him himself. The rest of his chapters suffer kinda the same problems as Danys do, he is making all these tense compromises and dealing with the troubles of leadership and it's kinda like trudging through mud. I don't really mind that Martin kills him off, I mean it was a hard blow and almost worse then the Red Wedding. But Snow deserves it and it fits well with his themes and as long as something stupid that happens bring him back I'll be happy. But I am surprised he didn't get it on with Melissandre. It is also kinda a bummer that she only got one chapter. I would love to know more of her backstory.

Cerseis walk of shame was stunning! I can't wait to see it live. It definitely is her strongest moment as a character, all she has had her whole life is her name, her looks, her marriage and her money and now she goes has to make do without any of them (for a little while) for her son. Jamie keeps up his reputation as my favorite character (after his brilliant performance in a Feast For Crows) but unfortunately only has one chapter. I also love Kevans chapter in the epilogue. Kevans talk walk Tyrion in Swords really shows allot of him, how he always has stood in the shadow of his elder brother (Tywin <3) but he admires and loves him to much that he is fine with that. Now Tywin is dead and Kevan has to shoulder his mantle, but he lacks the strength to and finally dies in the same way.

Also, to all the Arya haters, I hope she stabs you!
Arya is without a doubt the most thematically complicated character in the series. She starts out as a traditional tomboy, struggling with her gender in a rigid society. Ned lets her have some leniency with it but sooner or later she is going to have to become a "lady". Then Ned gets executed and Yoren forces her to become a boy in order to disguise her. But when she finally reaches the faceless men things really interesting. In order to become one of them she doesn't just have to forsake her female identity, which is easy for her, but she has to forsake ALL identity and to in essence eradicate herself in order to become anyone. Now almost all characters have to deal with identity but nobody does it quite as excitingly as Arya. Also those who think her story isn't connected to the rest who are you kidding? If she doesn't end up being sent out to assassinate at least one pov character I will eat my cat/hat! I was kinda hoping she would be sent to kill snow but that can't happen now

Dragons has a few wonderful moment but takes way to much time getting to them.

Just finished ADWD and while I'm not as sad about Jons death as I was about Robbs. I'll be twice as pissed if Jon comes back as zombie Jon Snow. Does anyone think Stannis is really dead BTW? I hope he is alive still. I liked Stannis firm but fair rule. I'm also very happy there was so little Bran in this book. I wish GRRM killed his ass off rather then his much cooler brothers. Because he is the most boring fucker in this whole book with his god damn dreams.


Also Theon balls are cut off right? Because they kind of beat you over the head with it.

"Hes not a man."
"I...I dont..."
"put him in a dress"

However he talks about how he wants to throw one of Mances girl down and fuck her. Does a guy with his balls/cock removed think about fucking a girl still? Kind of confused me.

Jon is going to live inside of Ghost. Melisandre had visions of a man turning into a wolf. The prologue sets up precedence for something that would otherwise feel silly.

Just because they are calling him a woman doesn't mean he's been castrated or anything.... they may be referring to his cowardly behavior and meek behavior after they broke him. He's not a many anymore... they broke him to something less.

It's hinted at pretty subtlely but when you look for it you can't help but notice that he has been castrated. Just like how you might not notice Renly is gay but when you look for it it's beyond obvious.