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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
On July 21 2011 06:29 1Eris1 wrote: Jesus christ how is this series going to end If any of the other books are any indication, it should end with a completely underwhelming cliffhanger that resolves nothing. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8307 Posts
Agreed. I'm reading them right now and there are some things which are just SOOOOO dumb in the books, it's kind of hilarious, some of the ones I don't need to spoiler are: Sir is spelt "ser" for NO reason. Why, WHY did anyone think that was a good idea? The white walkers are more often referred to as "The Others". Some of the spoiler Necessary stuff is: Daenery's: + Show Spoiler + He's HORRIBLE with Daenery's storyline. Instead of taming Khal Drogo, it turns out he's really a considerate man who asks his newly purchased bride permission before doing her, with plenty of foreplay... that makes ZERO sense in light of the wedding that happened earlier with mating happening in plain sight and obvious barbarism. Then the entire teaching how to fuck and child being concieved bit happens in a single paragraph, and that's a MAJOR event in my opinion as it's when Daenery's really starts to take charge of her own destiny. The tv series were fantastic with that (and plus, it was HOT in the tv series). I'm lazy but there's more things I could describe, Tyrion is often an inconsitant character as well in the books, and also when + Show Spoiler + the guy comes in to kill Bran, he's described as entering with "the merest whisper", two paragraphs later, the wolf enters, also described in the EXACT SAME WORDS... Just kinda broke my suspension of disbelief was all. All that being said however, it does add a bit more depth to the story, so I'm gonna keep reading anyway. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On July 21 2011 13:50 TheDougler wrote:+ Show Spoiler + So I posted this in the other thread, and then realized it couldn't go there, so here's my thoughts about some of the book stuff, feel free to discuss, sorry that this might offend some a bit here: Agreed. I'm reading them right now and there are some things which are just SOOOOO dumb in the books, it's kind of hilarious, some of the ones I don't need to spoiler are: Sir is spelt "ser" for NO reason. Why, WHY did anyone think that was a good idea? The white walkers are more often referred to as "The Others". Some of the spoiler Necessary stuff is: Daenery's: + Show Spoiler + He's HORRIBLE with Daenery's storyline. Instead of taming Khal Drogo, it turns out he's really a considerate man who asks his newly purchased bride permission before doing her, with plenty of foreplay... that makes ZERO sense in light of the wedding that happened earlier with mating happening in plain sight and obvious barbarism. Then the entire teaching how to fuck and child being concieved bit happens in a single paragraph, and that's a MAJOR event in my opinion as it's when Daenery's really starts to take charge of her own destiny. The tv series were fantastic with that (and plus, it was HOT in the tv series). I'm lazy but there's more things I could describe, Tyrion is often an inconsitant character as well in the books, and also when + Show Spoiler + the guy comes in to kill Bran, he's described as entering with "the merest whisper", two paragraphs later, the wolf enters, also described in the EXACT SAME WORDS... Just kinda broke my suspension of disbelief was all. All that being said however, it does add a bit more depth to the story, so I'm gonna keep reading anyway. I don't think anyone likes Dany's storyline. We're just reading cause there's a freaking dragon.  Also, it's just a small mistake when he repeats a phrase. I don't think I ever noticed him doing that consecutively whenever I read the books. I actually thought the Others and the white walkers or wights were different people. I thought the wights/walkers (keke) were zombies, and the Others were these humanoid glass people. The first scene/chapter felt like the wights re-animated, and their masters, the Others, killrf the Night's Watch men. I was confused for a long time. And here, why does martin use ser? Also, spent one week reading A Dance with Dragons, wow that was so epic. I'm going to be 30 when he releases the final book... + Show Spoiler + Bran finally got interesting, and important stuff finally happened in Meereen**, and everything's converging. Asha and Theon's stories went crazy as well. SNOW? + Show Spoiler + wtf | ||
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Rokusha
United States207 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + All I thought was "son of a bitch" when Martin "killed" off Jon Snow. He was one of the precious few remaining characters that I actually cared about. And did anyone feel that Young Griff (Aegon? sorry their names are all too similar I forget his Targaryen name) came out of nowhere? Was there any hints about him that I missed in the previous books? | ||
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[SuNdae]
Finland323 Posts
That aside I would gladly read an entire book about Arya in Braavos. | ||
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Icemind
Germany570 Posts
On July 23 2011 20:10 [SuNdae] wrote: I really like the Arya storyline, but I can see why some people don't. The storyline has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the series and seriously looks like its leading nowhere. That aside I would gladly read an entire book about Arya in Braavos. You are not alone + Show Spoiler + I actually liked the Tyrion chapters ... that is until that other dwarf came in. I have the feeling that after that the quality of those chapters dropped rapidly. I couldn't help myself, when reading those i was hoping for her to die on every page. And Jon ... WTF! I was always sooo shure that he would be the one character that Martin would actually stick with. The one guy who would still be at the wall even if all the others died. ... and then he kills him. aaaaaaarrgh!! | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On July 23 2011 19:30 Rokusha wrote: ARhghhaghahhaghahghsag + Show Spoiler + All I thought was "son of a bitch" when Martin "killed" off Jon Snow. He was one of the precious few remaining characters that I actually cared about. And did anyone feel that Young Griff (Aegon? sorry their names are all too similar I forget his Targaryen name) came out of nowhere? Was there any hints about him that I missed in the previous books? yes, there were, though fairly subtle. One might be Danny's vision when Rhaegar is standing with Elia and their children and he says that his [Aegon]'s is the song of ice an fire. There were others too | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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Drunken.Jedi
Germany446 Posts
At this point the theory that makes the most sense and has the most textual evidence is that Jon's parents are Rhaegar Targaryan and Lyanna Stark. | ||
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Abysus
United States67 Posts
On July 24 2011 20:35 Geo.Rion wrote: ok, so i've got one question. I believe it was stated that Jon's parents will be revealed, and i think, though not sure, it was said that Howland Reed will now the answer. What happened to that? I mean there were references about some of the theories, but is it concluded that it's Ashara + Eddard? First of all, i didnt really get the impression that it's settled, second of all that would be a major bummer If R+L=J theories are true then yes, Howland Reed will know the answer. As for Ashara + Eddard + Show Spoiler + Barristan states that she miscarried a girl around the time she'd need to be pregnant with Jon so the timeline doesnt quite fit, and he mentions a "Stark" not Eddard. So based on the story the reed children tell bran, you could reasonably conclude it being Brandon or Eddard fathering that stillborn bastard girl of Ashara. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On July 24 2011 20:42 Abysus wrote: If R+L=J theories are true then yes, Howland Reed will know the answer. As for Ashara + Eddard + Show Spoiler + Barristan states that she miscarried a girl around the time she'd need to be pregnant with Jon so the timeline doesnt quite fit, and he mentions a "Stark" not Eddard. So based on the story the reed children tell bran, you could reasonably conclude it being Brandon or Eddard fathering that stillborn bastard girl of Ashara. yeah, ok, i mean I was totally convinced that Jon's parents are R+L, but i believe it was stated it will be cleared in ADWD. And it wasnt and with+ Show Spoiler + Jon dead, idk, what s the point of clarifying that after it? Or is Jon alive cuz he randomly will survive the 4 or more dagger stabs? I half-expected Aegon + Jon being the second and third heads of the three headed dragon, but if he's dead... And btw the next books wont have chapters about the wall or what? Sam and Mellisandre were the only ones aside Jon with their chapters, Sam is on the other side of the world, and Melisandre allegedly lost both of his "champions" she relied on, or manipulated them or w/e. So what do u guys think, Jon might live? if it wasnt GRRM i'd say he does, but... btw im surprised this thread didnt blow up in the past couple of days, with ADWD out | ||
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cyberspace
Canada955 Posts
Jon is definitely not dead. Melisandre is going to revive him. I think that it was probably just the easiest way to get Jon out of his duties as Lord Commander so that he can take part in the shit that's going on in the rest of the world. | ||
Nyovne
Netherlands19138 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:17 Cyberspace1 wrote: + Show Spoiler [ADWD Spoilers] + Jon is definitely not dead. Melisandre is going to revive him. I think that it was probably just the easiest way to get Jon out of his duties as Lord Commander so that he can take part in the shit that's going on in the rest of the world. That was my exact conclusion as well xD. | ||
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Xaeldaren
Ireland588 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:17 Cyberspace1 wrote: + Show Spoiler [ADWD Spoilers] + Jon is definitely not dead. Melisandre is going to revive him. I think that it was probably just the easiest way to get Jon out of his duties as Lord Commander so that he can take part in the shit that's going on in the rest of the world. + Show Spoiler + I think it's pretty clear that Jon is Azor Ahai. Melisandre kept seeing him in her flames whenever she wished to see AA, and his wounds were smoking (alongside the salty tears of Bowen Marsh it completes the prophecy). It's no coincidence that the prologue is from the perspective of a warg who dies and continues his existence within another creature. Consider how near every mention of Ghost in the novel includes some reference to how close he and Jon are linked. Major, major foreshadowing going on there. | ||
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
On July 25 2011 21:17 Cyberspace1 wrote: + Show Spoiler [ADWD Spoilers] + Jon is definitely not dead. Melisandre is going to revive him. I think that it was probably just the easiest way to get Jon out of his duties as Lord Commander so that he can take part in the shit that's going on in the rest of the world. + Show Spoiler + Jon's death could be the fulfillment of the Azor Ahai prophecy. AA is supposed to be reborn amidst salt (Bowen Marsh's tears) and ash (Jon's wounds are described as smoking) underneath a bleeding star (The man that Wun Wun is thrashing about is bleeding profusely and there is a pointed star as his emblem). All of that could be misdirection but I have a hard time believing that Jon is truly gone for good. On July 26 2011 00:10 Olsson wrote: No fucking book discussion if that's what youre doing. Why can't we discuss ADWD in spoilers? | ||
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Doppelganger
488 Posts
On July 26 2011 00:19 -Frog- wrote: + Show Spoiler + Jon's death could be the fulfillment of the Azor Ahai prophecy. AA is supposed to be reborn amidst salt (Bowen Marsh's tears) and ash (Jon's wounds are described as smoking) underneath a bleeding star (The man that Wun Wun is thrashing about is bleeding profusely and there is a pointed star as his emblem). All of that could be misdirection but I have a hard time believing that Jon is truly gone for good. Why can't we discuss ADWD in spoilers? Because this is still a discussion for Game of thrones (TV) not A Song of ice and fire. So it should be connected to the show in some (direct) way. | ||
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-Frog-
United States514 Posts
On July 26 2011 00:26 Doppelganger wrote: Because this is still a discussion for Game of thrones (TV) not A Song of ice and fire. So it should be connected to the show in some (direct) way. ~*WARNING*~ This thread contains untagged spoiler discussion about future events on HBO's 'Game of Thrones.' Do not venture any further unless you have read all the books published in the 'Song of Ice and Fire' series. I think the OP is very clear that we can discuss the books in this thread as they are "future events." In fact according to the OP we don't even need to spoiler ADWD discussion but people have been anyway out of respect. If you want a spoiler free thread then go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82188 | ||
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xHassassin
United States270 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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