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On March 06 2014 14:18 sung_moon wrote:
You know, I never realized (or maybe I don't remember thinking about this when it happened on the show), but exactly how does the show play out the "Loras to Kingsguard Post-Purple Wedding" situation.
There's no Garlan or Willas (assuming) in the show, so how would heir to The Reach play out?
Also, who is the current the holder/Lord of the Stormlands?
Loras will still be able to brag in front of Jamie, become Tommen's hero, volunteer to capture Dragonstone, rush the castle, and suffer third degree burns. Aside from being ineligible to fight for Margaery in Trial by Combat, I don't think not being a member of the Kingsguard restricts him.
Loras would be the heir.
I imagine it's Tommen, considering that most people believe he is Robert's son.
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On March 07 2014 08:13 domane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2014 14:18 sung_moon wrote:
You know, I never realized (or maybe I don't remember thinking about this when it happened on the show), but exactly how does the show play out the "Loras to Kingsguard Post-Purple Wedding" situation.
There's no Garlan or Willas (assuming) in the show, so how would heir to The Reach play out?
Also, who is the current the holder/Lord of the Stormlands? Loras will still be able to brag in front of Jamie, become Tommen's hero, volunteer to capture Dragonstone, rush the castle, and suffer third degree burns. Aside from being ineligible to fight for Margaery in Trial by Combat, I don't think not being a member of the Kingsguard restricts him. Loras would be the heir. I imagine it's Tommen, considering that most people believe he is Robert's son.
Yeah, I think most of the Stormlands are loyal to Tommen except for Storm's End which is held by Stannis' men.
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Holy crap the The Titan of Braavos in the new trailer. I was excited before, but now I am way past excited.
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i always thought braavos some sort of arabic/aladin~ish city
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On March 10 2014 11:33 icystorage wrote:
i always thought braavos some sort of arabic/aladin~ish city
I see what you're saying, and think it's a huge mesh of cultures, but Martin said he got his inspiration of Braavos from the Mediterranean, or more specifically, Venice.
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yeah, the abundance of canals shaped my imagination of that too and i got confused that's why im excited for the next season
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The more I see from Red Viper the more I like the choice. Hoping for some great dialogue with him.
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Anyone know who the girl with the bow was near the end of the trailer? Didn't look like Ygritte.
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On March 11 2014 00:22 zatic wrote:
That was Ygritte.
Pretty sure it was one of the girls Ramsey used in his torture of Theon last season.
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That one? Hm you might be right, the armor doesn't look Wildling at all.
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Thats the "Septa" girl Ramsay used.
Anyways, TV-Stannis sounds as pompous and unlikeable as always. I Wonder if the producers of the show know some dark secret about Stannis endgame wich really coloured their portrayal of him in the show.
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On March 10 2014 23:47 zatic wrote:
The more I see from Red Viper the more I like the choice. Hoping for some great dialogue with him.
i still cant get over the fact that it wasnt Cas Anvar. He fits the role perfectly, when at wic.net there was speculation about him, i was totally bought
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On March 11 2014 00:37 sc2holar wrote:
Thats the "Septa" girl Ramsay used.
Anyways, TV-Stannis sounds as pompous and unlikeable as always. I Wonder if the producers of the show know some dark secret about Stannis endgame wich really coloured their portrayal of him in the show.
Was she in the book?
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On March 11 2014 02:09 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:37 sc2holar wrote:
Thats the "Septa" girl Ramsay used.
Anyways, TV-Stannis sounds as pompous and unlikeable as always. I Wonder if the producers of the show know some dark secret about Stannis endgame wich really coloured their portrayal of him in the show. Was she in the book?
Nope, not to my memory. I wonder what role she will play, its hard to imagine her making it through the season without ending up as prey in one of ramsays hunts. But perhaps she is his twisted lover/companion? there is a quick glimpse of ramsay having sex with some girl in one of the trailers, and it looks consensual.
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On March 06 2014 09:22 moktira wrote:
Do you believe he did plan to have Arianne marry Viserys first? If yes then it would seem with Viserys' death that Daenerys was his only was of keeping his long term plan.
The other thing about the Yronwoods is that a lot of information we get about them is from Arianne's POV and she is biased as she believes it is their plan to have Quentyn installed as the Prince of Dorne. She is quite distrustful of them as a result. Doran might not have the same animosity to go to such lengths to have their heir killed. I think Doran even used the Yronwoods to delay Balon Swann which indicated they might not be on as bad terms as their houses were in the past. I must confess I need to do re-read though as I've forgotten a lot of details.
I don't know, of all the Dorne intrigue and conspiracies this one seems less likely to me.
Yes. However, Viserys turned out badly and Doran did not originally mean for his son to marry Daenerys, as she was promised to another in exchange for an allied army. She was a young girl who was viewed as a sacrificial piece without moves left. Illyrio confirms this when he says that he had not expected her to survive/thrive among the dothraki.
The events afterwards support your point. The news of Daenerys gaining dragons and an army would have been a good surprise for the Prince of Dorne. An unsure opportunity, but still a way to get behind a surviving Targaryen and gain an allied army. It makes the most sense that Doran would want his son to marry Daenerys.
+ Show Spoiler +At this point, it's less credible theory and more opinion and assumption.
The deteriorating state of westeros could provide an opportunity for Doran to exact his revenge. Only the Reach and the West remain staunch supporters of the crown, and they struggle for control (especially with the Lannisters and company having suffered losses and the Tyrells and their bannermen holding the upper hand). This alliance has to rein in the defeated but hostile North and Riverlands, face the continued risk of Stannis (no matter how small), and face raids/rebellion from the Iron Islands.
A little more conflict and Doran could be in a position to harm what remains of House Lannister, without Daenerys.
There's also the question of whether Doran would trust Daenerys, considering that her father and brothers hadn't been good leaders nor helpful to his family.
Aerys was mad and kept Elia and her children hostage/kept them from escaping to Dragonstone. Viserys was mad and his lack of leadership and sense got him killed. Rhaegar favored Lyanna Stark and brought dishonour to his wife Elia and House Martell. His actions became the catalyst for the unrest that resulted in the murder of Doran's royal sister, niece, and nephew.
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On March 11 2014 00:37 sc2holar wrote:
Thats the "Septa" girl Ramsay used.
Anyways, TV-Stannis sounds as pompous and unlikeable as always. I Wonder if the producers of the show know some dark secret about Stannis endgame wich really coloured their portrayal of him in the show.
No, they've just horribly misunderstood him from the beginning. They think he is actually fanatic for Rhllor. That leads to some weirdness both directly and in ripple effects to other things.
That sex scene in the latest trailer appears to be Oberyn, not Ramsay. Note the necklace he wears. Also the woman looks like their Ellaria. Not sure on that third person, but the presence of a third person is another point towards Oberyn. (though not a strong point of of course).
...And now that I've posted anyway I might as well drop this detail that has been itching me: That titan of Braavos makes every bit of engineering sense in me scream. It'd be a pretty great feat to build something like that today with modern materials and methods. It might still be about impossible; I'm sure someone else knows more. Those legs, and the arm holding out the sword...how!? The Wall itself and decade long seasons have nothing on that statue. Demon shadow baby and dragons might be slightly higher fantasy than that statue, but I stress slightly. It is awesome and worthy of the great city of Braavos.
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Like you said man, in the land of dragons and demon shadow babies, anything is possible.
Edit: BTW, I'm sure G.R.R.M stole the idea from the Colossus of Rhodes. I mean I guess it's bigger but you know... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes
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On March 11 2014 07:06 Irrelevant Label wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 00:37 sc2holar wrote:
Thats the "Septa" girl Ramsay used.
Anyways, TV-Stannis sounds as pompous and unlikeable as always. I Wonder if the producers of the show know some dark secret about Stannis endgame wich really coloured their portrayal of him in the show. No, they've just horribly misunderstood him from the beginning. They think he is actually fanatic for Rhllor. That leads to some weirdness both directly and in ripple effects to other things. That sex scene in the latest trailer appears to be Oberyn, not Ramsay. Note the necklace he wears. Also the woman looks like their Ellaria. Not sure on that third person, but the presence of a third person is another point towards Oberyn. (though not a strong point of of course). ...And now that I've posted anyway I might as well drop this detail that has been itching me: That titan of Braavos makes every bit of engineering sense in me scream. It'd be a pretty great feat to build something like that today with modern materials and methods. It might still be about impossible; I'm sure someone else knows more. Those legs, and the arm holding out the sword...how!? The Wall itself and decade long seasons have nothing on that statue. Demon shadow baby and dragons might be slightly higher fantasy than that statue, but I stress slightly. It is awesome and worthy of the great city of Braavos.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ramsay-S4.jpg
Does this look like Oberyn or Ramsay to you  ?
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On March 11 2014 09:19 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2014 07:06 Irrelevant Label wrote:On March 11 2014 00:37 sc2holar wrote:
Thats the "Septa" girl Ramsay used.
Anyways, TV-Stannis sounds as pompous and unlikeable as always. I Wonder if the producers of the show know some dark secret about Stannis endgame wich really coloured their portrayal of him in the show. No, they've just horribly misunderstood him from the beginning. They think he is actually fanatic for Rhllor. That leads to some weirdness both directly and in ripple effects to other things. That sex scene in the latest trailer appears to be Oberyn, not Ramsay. Note the necklace he wears. Also the woman looks like their Ellaria. Not sure on that third person, but the presence of a third person is another point towards Oberyn. (though not a strong point of of course). ...And now that I've posted anyway I might as well drop this detail that has been itching me: That titan of Braavos makes every bit of engineering sense in me scream. It'd be a pretty great feat to build something like that today with modern materials and methods. It might still be about impossible; I'm sure someone else knows more. Those legs, and the arm holding out the sword...how!? The Wall itself and decade long seasons have nothing on that statue. Demon shadow baby and dragons might be slightly higher fantasy than that statue, but I stress slightly. It is awesome and worthy of the great city of Braavos. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ramsay-S4.jpgDoes this look like Oberyn or Ramsay to you ?
Oh, that one. I was looking at the one towards the end of the most recent trailer.
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