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On July 10 2013 01:00 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:54 EntertainMe wrote:
So who's deaths can we foretell as of now?
I always get mega shocked when GRRM kills one of the main characters.
We have Cersei who will be slained by Jaime, but who else?
Will Lady Stark outlive this war? Are some characters death-proof like Jon Snow and Daenerys or can the unthinkable happen? Anyone come up with a clever foreshadowing that isn't already a popular prediction?
Just curious! The prophecy said that Cersei will die to a younger brother, it didn't specify. And we don't even know who was born first do we? And she has to outlive all of her children anyway if the prophecy is to come true. Yea, I think Jon and Daenerys are death proof. GRRM already made us go through so many of their boring and meaningless chapters, it would be insulting to kill them anytime soon. Jaime says he plans to come clean with the whole Tommen/Myrcella thing, so good chance he dies. If Robert Strong wins trail by combat then Cersei will be spared. Still, I kind of like fucked up love stories and I want them both to just die in eachother's arms while they are being stoned or something. No matter what happens, Varys comes out the winner.
not 100% sure but i think i read in the book that cersei came out first, but they said jaime did
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On August 09 2013 06:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 15:07 sung_moon wrote:
As much as I hate Dany (Emilia Clarke certainty doesn't make me appreciate her more except S03E04 and a few other moments), I really feel bad for my friends who are expecting within next two season she leaves to the Seven Kingdoms and reclaim what is "rightfully hers" with three rapidly growing dragons on her back, a massive slaver army, and three bad-ass knights/mercenary as her entourage.
How disappointed they'll be when she marries a scheming richboy and spends most of her days insulting Eddard/dreaming of Daario. Ugh I know right :p. They even casted Daario to be more of a pretty boy in the show, rather than more of a rugged badass that he was in the books. The next few seasons with those two will be agonizing.
Daario in the books looks like an actual clown, they had to completely change his appearance one way or another.
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On August 09 2013 09:10 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 04 2013 15:07 sung_moon wrote:
As much as I hate Dany (Emilia Clarke certainty doesn't make me appreciate her more except S03E04 and a few other moments), I really feel bad for my friends who are expecting within next two season she leaves to the Seven Kingdoms and reclaim what is "rightfully hers" with three rapidly growing dragons on her back, a massive slaver army, and three bad-ass knights/mercenary as her entourage.
How disappointed they'll be when she marries a scheming richboy and spends most of her days insulting Eddard/dreaming of Daario. Ugh I know right :p. They even casted Daario to be more of a pretty boy in the show, rather than more of a rugged badass that he was in the books. The next few seasons with those two will be agonizing. Daario in the books looks like an actual clown, they had to completely change his appearance one way or another.
What, how can you deny his irresistible, azure facial hair? Give us the forked beard I say.
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On August 09 2013 06:26 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:21 ComaDose wrote:On August 09 2013 06:18 TheFish7 wrote:
I wonder how the whole Dany Daario thing will play out in the show
I mean, its like I totally get it Dany, he's all rugged and badass and awesome and she wants him for his manliness
But like he's totally the wrong guy for you, girlfrieeendddd
I'm afraid they'll turn it into some lovey dovey bullshit I think they will keep it hot and spicy like it was in the book. one more night in my bed before i get married plz That was a pretty hot scene in the book.
I dont remember that one. I must have skipped it. LIke I did the RW lol
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Im pretty certain now that Coldhands is actually Brandon Stark, aka the Night's King.
I was rereading all the books and came across this in aDwD
no said bran no don't but they could not hear him, no more than his father had. The woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat and slashed. And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man's feet drummed against the earth... but as his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.
notice how the perspective shifts from Bran to the dying man in the end of that quote. The man got executed, his throat got slit and coldhands got killed a long time ago according to Leaf, and he never shows his neck or anything above. and already before coldhands had reffered to himself in a similar ambigious fashion when he said " Your monster, Brandon Stark"
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To me that also seems the most likely Coldhands theory at the moment. I sometimes wonder how many more Bran chapters we are actually going to get in the coming books, considering how much he actually has the potential to witness.
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It's fascinating how bran became the potentially highest influence character out of all the perspective characters.. fucking magic.
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On August 17 2013 15:32 Windexlol wrote:
It's fascinating how bran became the potentially highest influence character out of all the perspective characters.. fucking magic.
I firmly believe that Dolorous Edd shall become the most influential character...in comic relief. His sense of humor puts him up with Tyrion/Stannis.
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Book Stannis definitely has the best one-liners in the entire series, Dolorous Edd is up there too though.
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On August 09 2013 13:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 09:10 forsooth wrote:On August 09 2013 06:11 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 04 2013 15:07 sung_moon wrote:
As much as I hate Dany (Emilia Clarke certainty doesn't make me appreciate her more except S03E04 and a few other moments), I really feel bad for my friends who are expecting within next two season she leaves to the Seven Kingdoms and reclaim what is "rightfully hers" with three rapidly growing dragons on her back, a massive slaver army, and three bad-ass knights/mercenary as her entourage.
How disappointed they'll be when she marries a scheming richboy and spends most of her days insulting Eddard/dreaming of Daario. Ugh I know right :p. They even casted Daario to be more of a pretty boy in the show, rather than more of a rugged badass that he was in the books. The next few seasons with those two will be agonizing. Daario in the books looks like an actual clown, they had to completely change his appearance one way or another. What, how can you deny his irresistible, azure facial hair? Give us the forked beard I say.
What is this, Khal Drogo 2.0?
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Anybody got an inside info as to what Mark Gatiss will play on GoT season 4?
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On August 20 2013 20:44 Delphiki wrote:
Anybody got an inside info as to what Mark Gatiss will play on GoT season 4?
well you can make educated guesses.
Oberon
Doran
the Lord of Highgarden ( name slips my mind)
highgarden is my guess, he doesnt have the features for a Martell
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On August 17 2013 09:16 TSORG wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Im pretty certain now that Coldhands is actually Brandon Stark, aka the Night's King.
I was rereading all the books and came across this in aDwD
no said bran no don't but they could not hear him, no more than his father had. The woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat and slashed. And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man's feet drummed against the earth... but as his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.
notice how the perspective shifts from Bran to the dying man in the end of that quote. The man got executed, his throat got slit and coldhands got killed a long time ago according to Leaf, and he never shows his neck or anything above. and already before coldhands had reffered to himself in a similar ambigious fashion when he said " Your monster, Brandon Stark"
I always understood that to mean Bran as the roots of trees could taste the blood.
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On August 25 2013 22:40 Sprungjeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 09:16 TSORG wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Im pretty certain now that Coldhands is actually Brandon Stark, aka the Night's King.
I was rereading all the books and came across this in aDwD
no said bran no don't but they could not hear him, no more than his father had. The woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat and slashed. And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man's feet drummed against the earth... but as his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.
notice how the perspective shifts from Bran to the dying man in the end of that quote. The man got executed, his throat got slit and coldhands got killed a long time ago according to Leaf, and he never shows his neck or anything above. and already before coldhands had reffered to himself in a similar ambigious fashion when he said " Your monster, Brandon Stark"
I always understood that to mean Bran as the roots of trees could taste the blood.
I really hope he doesn't introduce the kind of time travel that would be necessary for this interaction. I dunno if everyone around here has read homestuck, but if you have, you know how fast plot lines can get tangled once you introduce time travel.
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On August 26 2013 02:12 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 22:40 Sprungjeezy wrote:On August 17 2013 09:16 TSORG wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Im pretty certain now that Coldhands is actually Brandon Stark, aka the Night's King.
I was rereading all the books and came across this in aDwD
no said bran no don't but they could not hear him, no more than his father had. The woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat and slashed. And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man's feet drummed against the earth... but as his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.
notice how the perspective shifts from Bran to the dying man in the end of that quote. The man got executed, his throat got slit and coldhands got killed a long time ago according to Leaf, and he never shows his neck or anything above. and already before coldhands had reffered to himself in a similar ambigious fashion when he said " Your monster, Brandon Stark"
I always understood that to mean Bran as the roots of trees could taste the blood. I really hope he doesn't introduce the kind of time travel that would be necessary for this interaction. I dunno if everyone around here has read homestuck, but if you have, you know how fast plot lines can get tangled once you introduce time travel.
I'm not sure homestuck is the best example though. The messy unexplainable tangle is almost a feature, not really an unintended drawback of timetravel.
The issue with timetravel in a serious plot is that it just feels cheap. You can do anything, create any kind of rule to fit your story and any kind of argument against the laws you created can often be dismissed by saying "time travels doesn't allow that/work like that in this world".
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On August 26 2013 02:26 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 02:12 packrat386 wrote:On August 25 2013 22:40 Sprungjeezy wrote:On August 17 2013 09:16 TSORG wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Im pretty certain now that Coldhands is actually Brandon Stark, aka the Night's King.
I was rereading all the books and came across this in aDwD
no said bran no don't but they could not hear him, no more than his father had. The woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat and slashed. And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man's feet drummed against the earth... but as his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.
notice how the perspective shifts from Bran to the dying man in the end of that quote. The man got executed, his throat got slit and coldhands got killed a long time ago according to Leaf, and he never shows his neck or anything above. and already before coldhands had reffered to himself in a similar ambigious fashion when he said " Your monster, Brandon Stark"
I always understood that to mean Bran as the roots of trees could taste the blood. I really hope he doesn't introduce the kind of time travel that would be necessary for this interaction. I dunno if everyone around here has read homestuck, but if you have, you know how fast plot lines can get tangled once you introduce time travel. I'm not sure homestuck is the best example though. The messy unexplainable tangle is almost a feature, not really an unintended drawback of timetravel.
I'm not trying to criticize homestuck. I'm just saying that if you want to do that you kind of have to go 100% silly like hussie has done. I think that GoT would lose a lot if it results to a cheap deus ex machina like time travel. But yeah, homestuck is the shit.
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I don't think it's time travel as much as the Children of the Forest not being limited to the present like normal humans are. Maybe time just works differently for them in the sense that they can view things that happened in the past as if it were real time through the heart trees. It doesn't require time travel or the problems it brings with causality if they just don't allow the Children of the Forest to interact directly with what's happening.
Also, I think Bran, near the end of ADWD manages to speak to Ned through a heart tree, but Ned dismisses it as the wind playing tricks on him?
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On August 26 2013 02:35 Mikau wrote:
I don't think it's time travel as much as the Children of the Forest not being limited to the present like normal humans are. Maybe time just works differently for them in the sense that they can view things that happened in the past as if it were real time through the heart trees. It doesn't require time travel or the problems it brings with causality if they just don't allow the Children of the Forest to interact directly with what's happening.
Also, I think Bran, near the end of ADWD manages to speak to Ned through a heart tree, but Ned dismisses it as the wind playing tricks on him?
Bran is not a child of the forest though. He might be a greenseer and such, but he is still a human. Also,even if he doesn't experience time normally, there is no way that he can have more than one instance of himself at any given time without the kind of time travel that leads to causality problems.
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On August 26 2013 02:34 packrat386 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2013 02:26 SKC wrote:On August 26 2013 02:12 packrat386 wrote:On August 25 2013 22:40 Sprungjeezy wrote:On August 17 2013 09:16 TSORG wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Im pretty certain now that Coldhands is actually Brandon Stark, aka the Night's King.
I was rereading all the books and came across this in aDwD
no said bran no don't but they could not hear him, no more than his father had. The woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat and slashed. And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man's feet drummed against the earth... but as his life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.
notice how the perspective shifts from Bran to the dying man in the end of that quote. The man got executed, his throat got slit and coldhands got killed a long time ago according to Leaf, and he never shows his neck or anything above. and already before coldhands had reffered to himself in a similar ambigious fashion when he said " Your monster, Brandon Stark"
I always understood that to mean Bran as the roots of trees could taste the blood. I really hope he doesn't introduce the kind of time travel that would be necessary for this interaction. I dunno if everyone around here has read homestuck, but if you have, you know how fast plot lines can get tangled once you introduce time travel. I'm not sure homestuck is the best example though. The messy unexplainable tangle is almost a feature, not really an unintended drawback of timetravel. I'm not trying to criticize homestuck. I'm just saying that if you want to do that you kind of have to go 100% silly like hussie has done. I think that GoT would lose a lot if it results to a cheap deus ex machina like time travel. But yeah, homestuck is the shit.
Yes, that's kind of what I mean. Homestuck doesn't show the issues with using time travel because it works well in that context. I always had issue with the timeturner or whathever it was called in Harry Potter, for example. It's a mechanic that really just doesn't work that well in a story that isn't developed around it. It basically needs to be the main focus of the writing or it can easily feel cheap.
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