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On July 28 2013 12:34 Highways wrote:
Just finished ADWD. Overall I was quite disappointed with it, was expected something closer to ASOS in terms of drama.
My thoughts:
Daenerys - Man the Dany chapters were soo terrible, I was expecting this book to be mainly about her and some epic dragon action. She spent all her time in Meeren doing jack shit, her story only got interesting once she rode the dragon out of the pits.
Theon - The Reek chapters were easily the best POV in ADWD. I actually feel sorry for him now haha.
Jon - I hope Jon Snow stays dead, which kills the Azor Ahai theory. I am sick of characters dying and then coming back to life, it cheapens the story so badly. Was not happy when Catelyn came back to life either. I hope GRRM doesnt resort to cheap revivals. Also why would the wildlings need to come to the wall for help? Wouldn't they have survived many Winters before this one?
Stannis - Don't think he is dead, wouldn't trust anything that Ramsey says. Wonder what happened the karstark who was supposed to backstab him.
Tyrion - He was pretty average in this book, spent most of his time travelling on a ship. Had some funny lines here and there. Not sure how he found out the young griff was aegon though.
Arya - She will be a bad ass assassin in the next book.
Cersei - Watching the downfall of Cersei was great!
Dorne - Nothing interesting happened here, Quentyn dying wasn't a big deal.
Hopefully TWOW will be better than the last two books.
why do people think Jon is Azor Ahai?
i thought the books made it pretty clear that it is Dany, as the prophecy states that s/he 'wakes dragons from stone (dormant eggs)' and is '(re)borne in the (dothraki) sea'.
Jon fulfills none of these prophetic elements.
I suspect that Dany eventually gets her hands on Stannis's 'magic' sword, which, when wielded by her, becomes both bright AND hot like it should be.
Edit. Ok so i just re-read the Melisandre chapter in adwd, in which there is the line 'I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai and R'hllor shows me only Snow.'
This means that either the Prophecy OR Melisandre's vision is a red herring. Guess i'l have to wait and see who gets their hands on the magic sword first, which makes the Jon theory more likely. it just seems odd because the precedent in all the previous events of the series suggests that prophecies are legit foreshadowing, whereas Melisandre and been wrong before in her visions, and is clearly wrong about Stannis.
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i dont like how grrm killed off kevan lannister. way too soon.
basically he's saying hey guys the lannisters are gonna get totally fucked in the winds of winter so i can get them out of the way and slide the Others in as the main antagonists.
varys was right ser kevan didn't deserve to die like that. makes the story less interesting that cersei is a shadow of her former self, jaime is dumb because of his new obsession with "honor," and tyrion is in meereen for who knows how long. kevan could have been a great viewpoint character for the winds of winter but oh well guess the greyjoy family drama is more important somehow.
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According to Winteriscoming.net's response on twitter, there is nothing to support the rumor that Joesph Mawle is returning to GoT next season. Keep in mind that that facebook page is just a fan page, not the actor Aidan Gillen's page.
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@Highways, why were you expecting Storm 2.0 when it's presented to us as the second half of Feast?
Kevan Lannister needed to die so that chaos consumes King's Landing and the Lannister-Tully peace crumbles, setting the stage for Aegon to arrive and be crowned King.
The Others won't do anything major until A Dream Of Spring, as there is still a Targaryen Civil War that has to happen.
We had so many Greyjoy PoVs because we needed a PoV with Stannis after he left the Wall, a PoV of the naval battle in Mereen, a PoV in Winterfell, and a PoV in the Iron Islands.
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Why does there have to be a targaryen civil war?
Also I just finished A Feast for Crows. It was ok. I kind of like the Dornish, so I hope they don't get fucked over. I also hope that Brienne is neither dead, nor undead since both of those would be meh.
I was wondering, do you guys think that grrm has a fully planned storyboard for the rest of the books? Or does he just have a few things figured out. It seems like some of the characters are working themselves into corners slowly and I'm not sure if he knows what he's going to do with them.
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On August 01 2013 01:31 packrat386 wrote:
Why does there have to be a targaryen civil war?
Also I just finished A Feast for Crows. It was ok. I kind of like the Dornish, so I hope they don't get fucked over. I also hope that Brienne is neither dead, nor undead since both of those would be meh.
I was wondering, do you guys think that grrm has a fully planned storyboard for the rest of the books? Or does he just have a few things figured out. It seems like some of the characters are working themselves into corners slowly and I'm not sure if he knows what he's going to do with them.
The original trilogy is called A Game of Thrones, A Dance with Dragons, and The Winds of Winter(originally a Time for Wolver) , so 5 King War, then the Targaryen Civil War, and finally the Other's Invasion.
He has said he has the broad strokes figured out, if you'll allow a metaphor + Show Spoiler +he has said it's like planning a road trip, you know the start, know the major roads you'll take, know the major cities you'll go to, and might even know the major hotels you'll be sleeping in. But you don't know where you'll eat dinner on the 4th day, or where you'll run out of gas in the middle of the road and have to walk 6 miles round trip to fill up, or where you'll get lost in the backroads for a few hours.
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On August 01 2013 00:38 _-NoMaN-_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2013 12:34 Highways wrote:
Just finished ADWD. Overall I was quite disappointed with it, was expected something closer to ASOS in terms of drama.
My thoughts:
Daenerys - Man the Dany chapters were soo terrible, I was expecting this book to be mainly about her and some epic dragon action. She spent all her time in Meeren doing jack shit, her story only got interesting once she rode the dragon out of the pits.
Theon - The Reek chapters were easily the best POV in ADWD. I actually feel sorry for him now haha.
Jon - I hope Jon Snow stays dead, which kills the Azor Ahai theory. I am sick of characters dying and then coming back to life, it cheapens the story so badly. Was not happy when Catelyn came back to life either. I hope GRRM doesnt resort to cheap revivals. Also why would the wildlings need to come to the wall for help? Wouldn't they have survived many Winters before this one?
Stannis - Don't think he is dead, wouldn't trust anything that Ramsey says. Wonder what happened the karstark who was supposed to backstab him.
Tyrion - He was pretty average in this book, spent most of his time travelling on a ship. Had some funny lines here and there. Not sure how he found out the young griff was aegon though.
Arya - She will be a bad ass assassin in the next book.
Cersei - Watching the downfall of Cersei was great!
Dorne - Nothing interesting happened here, Quentyn dying wasn't a big deal.
Hopefully TWOW will be better than the last two books.
why do people think Jon is Azor Ahai? i thought the books made it pretty clear that it is Dany, as the prophecy states that s/he 'wakes dragons from stone (dormant eggs)' and is '(re)borne in the (dothraki) sea'. Jon fulfills none of these prophetic elements. I suspect that Dany eventually gets her hands on Stannis's 'magic' sword, which, when wielded by her, becomes both bright AND hot like it should be. Edit. Ok so i just re-read the Melisandre chapter in adwd, in which there is the line ' I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai and R'hllor shows me only Snow.' This means that either the Prophecy OR Melisandre's vision is a red herring. Guess i'l have to wait and see who gets their hands on the magic sword first, which makes the Jon theory more likely. it just seems odd because the precedent in all the previous events of the series suggests that prophecies are legit foreshadowing, whereas Melisandre and been wrong before in her visions, and is clearly wrong about Stannis.
Azor Azhai and the Prince(ss) that was Promised dont have to be the same person. Dany could be the PtwP while Jon could be AA.
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I just read Theon chapter of Winds of Winter wild card released by GRRM. I got the feeling that someone (most likely Bran) was using the ravens at stanis room and calling "Theon" and "Tree" like they want gim to go to the weirwood tree and they went crazy when Asha suggest that to Stanis, to kill Theon near the weirwood, giving him to the old gods.
That is interesting. Can bran use the tree to comunicate? I remember that when he saw his father through the tree and said or shout something to him, I felt like Eddard Stark heard that but thought it was the wind or something... don't know... gotta search for this chapter and read it again.
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yea, bran can sorta use them, in one of the theon chapters he's at the weirwood and he hears the tree talking to him, or at least saying theon.
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On August 01 2013 00:38 _-NoMaN-_ wrote:
why do people think Jon is Azor Ahai?
i thought the books made it pretty clear that it is Dany, as the prophecy states that s/he 'wakes dragons from stone (dormant eggs)' and is '(re)borne in the (dothraki) sea'.
Jon fulfills none of these prophetic elements.
There's no requirement for "sea". Just smoke, salt, and flame, born when the stars bleed.
Common fan theory: smoke and flame are from the burning tower, and the salt refers to Bowen Marsh's tears. Bleeding star is Ser Patrek's corpse and coat of arms."Dragons from stone" refers to Jon's recurrent dreams about Winterfell's crypts: Lyanna Stark's Targaryen wedding shroud.
On August 01 2013 00:38 _-NoMaN-_ wrote:
I suspect that Dany eventually gets her hands on Stannis's 'magic' sword, which, when wielded by her, becomes both bright AND hot like it should be.
Edit. Ok so i just re-read the Melisandre chapter in adwd, in which there is the line 'I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai and R'hllor shows me only Snow.'
This means that either the Prophecy OR Melisandre's vision is a red herring. Guess i'l have to wait and see who gets their hands on the magic sword first, which makes the Jon theory more likely. it just seems odd because the precedent in all the previous events of the series suggests that prophecies are legit foreshadowing, whereas Melisandre and been wrong before in her visions, and is clearly wrong about Stannis.
Lightbringer is probably not a literal sword. There's definite parallels between the Lightbringer stories and the oath of the Night's Watch.
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I mean, seriously, Westeros didn't even have steel back when Azor Ahai first fought the Others.
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As much as I hate Dany (Emilia Clarke certainty doesn't make me appreciate her more except S03E04 and a few other moments), I really feel bad for my friends who are expecting within next two season she leaves to the Seven Kingdoms and reclaim what is "rightfully hers" with three rapidly growing dragons on her back, a massive slaver army, and three bad-ass knights/mercenary as her entourage.
How disappointed they'll be when she marries a scheming richboy and spends most of her days insulting Eddard/dreaming of Daario.
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Random question that has been asked countless times i reckon but, where did the season end in the books? Just dugg out my copies for the fiance who is home sick and wanted something to read. I can't for the life of me remember where the storm of swords the red wedding is or which book it is in for that matter.
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On August 08 2013 20:37 unkkz wrote:
Random question that has been asked countless times i reckon but, where did the season end in the books? Just dugg out my copies for the fiance who is home sick and wanted something to read. I can't for the life of me remember where the storm of swords the red wedding is or which book it is in for that matter.
Really hard to say since, a) Pages are different depending on the version (http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Chapters_Table_of_contents), and b) Each arc ended somewhere different to fit their half of ASOS in to the season. You'll probably just have to flip through the book and find out where each characters story picks up. Though I'm sure if you google around, someone has a comprehensive guide mapping the chapters to the show (as best as possible)
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On August 08 2013 20:37 unkkz wrote:
Random question that has been asked countless times i reckon but, where did the season end in the books? Just dugg out my copies for the fiance who is home sick and wanted something to read. I can't for the life of me remember where the storm of swords the red wedding is or which book it is in for that matter.
about 3/4th of the 3rd book id say. Just look for the chapter where Dany conquers Yunkai. It ends with people calling out "Mhisa/Mother"
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On August 04 2013 15:07 sung_moon wrote:
As much as I hate Dany (Emilia Clarke certainty doesn't make me appreciate her more except S03E04 and a few other moments), I really feel bad for my friends who are expecting within next two season she leaves to the Seven Kingdoms and reclaim what is "rightfully hers" with three rapidly growing dragons on her back, a massive slaver army, and three bad-ass knights/mercenary as her entourage.
How disappointed they'll be when she marries a scheming richboy and spends most of her days insulting Eddard/dreaming of Daario.
Speaking of Daario, I've been talking to my friend about how Cold Hands isn't Benjen, and that it was Brandon Stark (Bran in the future).
I'm almost afraid to ask, but I'm curious what some of you guys would say to GRRM if you met him in real life.
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On August 04 2013 15:07 sung_moon wrote:
As much as I hate Dany (Emilia Clarke certainty doesn't make me appreciate her more except S03E04 and a few other moments), I really feel bad for my friends who are expecting within next two season she leaves to the Seven Kingdoms and reclaim what is "rightfully hers" with three rapidly growing dragons on her back, a massive slaver army, and three bad-ass knights/mercenary as her entourage.
How disappointed they'll be when she marries a scheming richboy and spends most of her days insulting Eddard/dreaming of Daario.
Ugh I know right :p.
They even casted Daario to be more of a pretty boy in the show, rather than more of a rugged badass that he was in the books. The next few seasons with those two will be agonizing.
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I wonder how the whole Dany Daario thing will play out in the show
I mean, its like I totally get it Dany, he's all rugged and badass and awesome and she wants him for his manliness
But like he's totally the wrong guy for you, girlfrieeendddd
I'm afraid they'll turn it into some lovey dovey bullshit
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On August 09 2013 06:18 TheFish7 wrote:
I wonder how the whole Dany Daario thing will play out in the show
I mean, its like I totally get it Dany, he's all rugged and badass and awesome and she wants him for his manliness
But like he's totally the wrong guy for you, girlfrieeendddd
I'm afraid they'll turn it into some lovey dovey bullshit
I think they will keep it hot and spicy like it was in the book.
one more night in my bed before i get married plz
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On August 09 2013 06:21 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 06:18 TheFish7 wrote:
I wonder how the whole Dany Daario thing will play out in the show
I mean, its like I totally get it Dany, he's all rugged and badass and awesome and she wants him for his manliness
But like he's totally the wrong guy for you, girlfrieeendddd
I'm afraid they'll turn it into some lovey dovey bullshit I think they will keep it hot and spicy like it was in the book. one more night in my bed before i get married plz
That was a pretty hot scene in the book.
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I do not expect it to change at all. They have set it up more or less the same so far.
The part that is weird is the Jorah banishment side of her henchmen relations. There is no reason for anyone to bring it up at this point. Barristan is already out and already has seen Jorah to be quite loyal to Dany, so it's a bit weird for him to throw Jorah under the bus now.
I imagine they will still do it at around the same time and it will just not make quite as much sense so it will be a plot hiccup.
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