EPTOn June 17 2013 07:56 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
so you guys think jon snow is not dead?
so you guys think jon snow is not dead?
I don't think it's possible that he's dead
that or he will come back one way or an other...
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
I don't think it's possible that he's dead that or he will come back one way or an other... | ||
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Koerage
Netherlands1220 Posts
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On June 17 2013 07:56 SpikeStarcraft wrote: so you guys think jon snow is not dead? I don't think it matters much whether his men actually killed him or not since Mel is around and she could pull out some R'hllor voodoo and bring him back to life if he died. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On June 16 2013 23:04 Doctorbeat wrote: I disagree that plot development was almost non-existant. Sure, AFFC/ADWD are slower than ASOS, but plenty of stuff still happens. Pretty much every arc has great plot development, there just hasn't been a climax yet (which will happen in TWOW). Same as AGOT&ACOK were the setup for ASOS. I think the thing that left Dance and Feast feeling so incomplete with little plot advancement and left the readers feeling robbed after such long wait periods is that EVERY character was left on a cliffhanger basically. Victarion, Dany, Jon, Jaime, Brienne (somewhat solved in Dance), Arya, Bran, Sam, Theon etc... None of them had a story that actually felt complete or had arcs that were even somewhat concluded. | ||
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
Jon Snow has a couple of venues for coming back to life even if he dies there. He's essentially got as much plot armor as Dany until the big climax. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
This actually kind of bugs me because I know certain characters like Arya, Jon, Tyrion and Daenerys are safe, so I don't really worry about their immediate deaths (that is... ofc, unless GRRM randomly kills one of them =.=) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On June 17 2013 11:34 Cambium wrote: Jon Snow is clearly a key main character (as opposed to Robb for example) who is probably safe until the very very end. This actually kind of bugs me because I know certain characters like Arya, Jon, Tyrion and Daenerys are safe, so I don't really worry about their immediate deaths (that is... ofc, unless GRRM randomly kills one of them =.=) Well, most people thought the same about Ned, look how that turned out. The only ones I think are truly "safe" are Jon and Dany. Only because their storylines have been so disjointed from the rest of the series that he can't really kill them off, because they haven't done anything yet. I could see Arya or Tyrion killed as a shock, though. It's not likely, but it's far more likely in my opinion than Dany or Jon. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On June 17 2013 11:38 Requizen wrote: Well, most people thought the same about Ned, look how that turned out. The only ones I think are truly "safe" are Jon and Dany. Only because their storylines have been so disjointed from the rest of the series that he can't really kill them off, because they haven't done anything yet. I could see Arya or Tyrion killed as a shock, though. It's not likely, but it's far more likely in my opinion than Dany or Jon. I'd see Sansa dying before Arya. Arya still has her wolf at least, so could technically still "live" even if she "died". Sansa doesn't. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On June 17 2013 11:38 Requizen wrote: Well, most people thought the same about Ned, look how that turned out. The only ones I think are truly "safe" are Jon and Dany. Only because their storylines have been so disjointed from the rest of the series that he can't really kill them off, because they haven't done anything yet. I could see Arya or Tyrion killed as a shock, though. It's not likely, but it's far more likely in my opinion than Dany or Jon. TBH, I never thought Ned and Robb were safe. But that's before I decided my 'safe list', so no one was really safe haha. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
I mean, maybe safe for now. I imagine they're at least safe until book 7. Nothing in any prophecy says they live happily ever after. My safe list guess for the entire series (for bigg-ish names) reads: Arya, Sansa, Bran, Rickon, Podrick, Theon, Gendry, Sam, Tommen. Littlefinger, Melisandre, Varys, Cersei, Jaimie, Jorah, Aegon, Roose, Ramsey, Euron, Victarion, Walder Frey, Mance, Stannis all dead or highly likely imo. Jon, Dany, Reeds, Davos, Asha idk. I'm sure everyone's list is different. | ||
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Dakkas
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SkySpy
United States245 Posts
On June 17 2013 07:48 forsooth wrote: Just finished it last night and I liked it quite a bit. It was a lot better than AFFC, though Quentyn's storyline seemed kind of pointless. All he does it get to Meereen, find out he's too late, and then die horribly. This was actually one of my favorite parts of ADWD. Hoping that by some shot of luck he might succeed, while knowing he wouldn't. | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
From the rest of Bittman's lists: Arya is the remaining Stark death, if there is only one. I don't think Gendry matters enough to count. I half expect that he has walked off the face of the story at this point. Otherwise, ok, I'll go with the rest of those surviving. Theon is the most iffy. The death list seems solid. None of those people seem likely to live. Varys is the one who might have a chance. Jon, Dany and Tyrion are the most interesting. It was one thing when the guy who had been a most central character for the first two thirds of the first book to die in the final quarter. It'll be a bit bigger for the multi-book most central characters to die (if they do). I do not expect less than 1 death from among these three before the end. If I had to say a name right now it would be Dany. If I had to choose one person in the whole story to call "safest" it would be Sansa. Arianne is up there too. She is not in a position where anyone is out to get her much and the key to the whole Dorne side plot; she is circa book 2/3 Dany/Jon in plot armor but without the long lists of enemies and/or other immediate threats. | ||
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JSK
United States133 Posts
I guess if the prophecies are less like "this is what happens in the future" and "this is what probably will happen based on whatever magic makes the prophecy possible". i dont know, maybe im overthinking it. I also dont recall how much was foretold or how much that was simply dreamt of (for example, when bran dreamt of the sea taking winterfell, was it before or after theon had decided to take it?) If everything is preordained it's not exactly a good reflection of unpredictability as doesn't that mean there is no free will? gah | ||
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On June 17 2013 15:47 JSK wrote: Does anyone find it contradictory that unpredictability and prophecy are both major themes of these books? They're my favorite books ever and I don't want to feel this way. Maybe I just don't understand the prophecies. But if prophecies are often correct, then doesn't that take away from the "anything can happen at any time" thing? I guess if the prophecies are less like "this is what happens in the future" and "this is what probably will happen based on whatever magic makes the prophecy possible". i dont know, maybe im overthinking it. I also dont recall how much was foretold or how much that was simply dreamt of (for example, when bran dreamt of the sea taking winterfell, was it before or after theon had decided to take it?) If everything is preordained it's not exactly a good reflection of unpredictability as doesn't that mean there is no free will? gah Most of the prophecies are ambiguous when given and only are clear once the events they foretold have come to pass so having prophecies doesn't make the series too predictable. | ||
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JSK
United States133 Posts
On June 17 2013 17:24 MajuGarzett wrote: Most of the prophecies are ambiguous when given and only are clear once the events they foretold have come to pass so having prophecies doesn't make the series too predictable. I didn't mean it makes it predictable for viewers, but that it takes away from the anything can happen at any time feel of the book (if things are preordained) I'm not that bothered because it isn't that black and white, was just a thought. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
He doesn't have some grand purpose or preordained major role (ala Targaryens or Bran). Realistically he could get a Hand of the King/Queen role at best, but he's already been there and done that. Juggling him around until the end just so he could go back to being someone's glorified assistant is too much of a "meh" ending for a major character. I also feel like either Jon or Dany will eventually die, but are probably safe until the very end. | ||
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GhostLink
United States450 Posts
Littlefinger, Melisandre, Varys, Cersei, Jaimie, Jorah, Aegon, Roose, Ramsey, Euron, Victarion, Walder Frey, Mance, Stannis all dead or highly likely imo. That's almost eliminating everyone of the major players in the series. Personally, of all people, I think Varys and Littlefinger are the safest. In my own personal opinion, the book is entirely about them two, and the consequences of their actions. | ||
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adiga
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On June 18 2013 00:04 adiga wrote: Walder Frey is sooooooooooooo going to die, I think it will be the most vicious death on the series. I certainly hope so. I wonder who will get to kill that souless SOB. | ||
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