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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 13 2013 18:14 GMT
#7881
On June 13 2013 23:56 Erasme wrote:
Maybe Jon marries Dany..

Worst ending ever.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Tiwo
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands306 Posts
June 13 2013 21:02 GMT
#7882
The end is not important, it's the road towards it. Even patchface can sit the throne if I care.
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
June 13 2013 21:16 GMT
#7883
im currently re-reading the books and wondered if (F)Aegon could be Dany's "treason of blood" she was foretold at the house of the undying? I was also curious of other people know the three fires (Life death love) or mounts (to bed, to dread and to love). Personally think the treasons of gold and love have already passed. (Jorah and Daario)
She also sees the following:
"A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering croud." - Could it be (F)Aegon conquering some place and being welcomed by the people who live there as the rightful ruler?
"A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly." - the men of the nights watch who were sent north by John to get the wildlings out return as others/wrights?
"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness." - Im not sure if i read about this on TL before, i've forgotten if i have, but this bit seems to rever to the wall (doh), but i make an other/wright from the blue flower, and afaik, they dont smell so they shouldnt fill the air with sweetness. someone has a clue?
Tiwo
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands306 Posts
June 13 2013 21:22 GMT
#7884
On June 14 2013 06:16 Koerage wrote:
im currently re-reading the books and wondered if (F)Aegon could be Dany's "treason of blood" she was foretold at the house of the undying? I was also curious of other people know the three fires (Life death love) or mounts (to bed, to dread and to love). Personally think the treasons of gold and love have already passed. (Jorah and Daario)
She also sees the following:
"A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering croud." - Could it be (F)Aegon conquering some place and being welcomed by the people who live there as the rightful ruler?
"A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly." - the men of the nights watch who were sent north by John to get the wildlings out return as others/wrights?
"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness." - Im not sure if i read about this on TL before, i've forgotten if i have, but this bit seems to rever to the wall (doh), but i make an other/wright from the blue flower, and afaik, they dont smell so they shouldnt fill the air with sweetness. someone has a clue?


I'm not gonna comment on the previous statements apart from the last one, this: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Blue_winter_rose

The Blue Winter rose was Lyanna's favorites Flower, reference to Jon?
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
June 13 2013 21:28 GMT
#7885
On June 14 2013 06:22 Tiwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 06:16 Koerage wrote:
im currently re-reading the books and wondered if (F)Aegon could be Dany's "treason of blood" she was foretold at the house of the undying? I was also curious of other people know the three fires (Life death love) or mounts (to bed, to dread and to love). Personally think the treasons of gold and love have already passed. (Jorah and Daario)
She also sees the following:
"A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering croud." - Could it be (F)Aegon conquering some place and being welcomed by the people who live there as the rightful ruler?
"A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly." - the men of the nights watch who were sent north by John to get the wildlings out return as others/wrights?
"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness." - Im not sure if i read about this on TL before, i've forgotten if i have, but this bit seems to rever to the wall (doh), but i make an other/wright from the blue flower, and afaik, they dont smell so they shouldnt fill the air with sweetness. someone has a clue?


I'm not gonna comment on the previous statements apart from the last one, this: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Blue_winter_rose

The Blue Winter rose was Lyanna's favorites Flower, reference to Jon?


hmm might be, also might be where i read about it before. The Azor Azhai (do you spell it like that?) prophecy has nothing to do with sweetsmelling air, so curious what that'd mean.
Tiwo
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands306 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 21:54:34
June 13 2013 21:52 GMT
#7886
On June 14 2013 06:28 Koerage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 06:22 Tiwo wrote:
On June 14 2013 06:16 Koerage wrote:
im currently re-reading the books and wondered if (F)Aegon could be Dany's "treason of blood" she was foretold at the house of the undying? I was also curious of other people know the three fires (Life death love) or mounts (to bed, to dread and to love). Personally think the treasons of gold and love have already passed. (Jorah and Daario)
She also sees the following:
"A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering croud." - Could it be (F)Aegon conquering some place and being welcomed by the people who live there as the rightful ruler?
"A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly." - the men of the nights watch who were sent north by John to get the wildlings out return as others/wrights?
"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness." - Im not sure if i read about this on TL before, i've forgotten if i have, but this bit seems to rever to the wall (doh), but i make an other/wright from the blue flower, and afaik, they dont smell so they shouldnt fill the air with sweetness. someone has a clue?


I'm not gonna comment on the previous statements apart from the last one, this: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Blue_winter_rose

The Blue Winter rose was Lyanna's favorites Flower, reference to Jon?


hmm might be, also might be where i read about it before. The Azor Azhai (do you spell it like that?) prophecy has nothing to do with sweetsmelling air, so curious what that'd mean.


What has that prophecy anything to do with sweetsmelling air?

"There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him."
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
June 13 2013 22:01 GMT
#7887
On June 14 2013 06:28 Koerage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 06:22 Tiwo wrote:
On June 14 2013 06:16 Koerage wrote:
im currently re-reading the books and wondered if (F)Aegon could be Dany's "treason of blood" she was foretold at the house of the undying? I was also curious of other people know the three fires (Life death love) or mounts (to bed, to dread and to love). Personally think the treasons of gold and love have already passed. (Jorah and Daario)
She also sees the following:
"A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering croud." - Could it be (F)Aegon conquering some place and being welcomed by the people who live there as the rightful ruler?
"A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly." - the men of the nights watch who were sent north by John to get the wildlings out return as others/wrights?
"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness." - Im not sure if i read about this on TL before, i've forgotten if i have, but this bit seems to rever to the wall (doh), but i make an other/wright from the blue flower, and afaik, they dont smell so they shouldnt fill the air with sweetness. someone has a clue?


I'm not gonna comment on the previous statements apart from the last one, this: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Blue_winter_rose

The Blue Winter rose was Lyanna's favorites Flower, reference to Jon?


hmm might be, also might be where i read about it before. The Azor Azhai (do you spell it like that?) prophecy has nothing to do with sweetsmelling air, so curious what that'd mean.

if you don't know about this : http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Prophecies/
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Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-13 22:05:33
June 13 2013 22:01 GMT
#7888
On June 14 2013 06:52 Tiwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 06:28 Koerage wrote:
On June 14 2013 06:22 Tiwo wrote:
On June 14 2013 06:16 Koerage wrote:
im currently re-reading the books and wondered if (F)Aegon could be Dany's "treason of blood" she was foretold at the house of the undying? I was also curious of other people know the three fires (Life death love) or mounts (to bed, to dread and to love). Personally think the treasons of gold and love have already passed. (Jorah and Daario)
She also sees the following:
"A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering croud." - Could it be (F)Aegon conquering some place and being welcomed by the people who live there as the rightful ruler?
"A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly." - the men of the nights watch who were sent north by John to get the wildlings out return as others/wrights?
"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness." - Im not sure if i read about this on TL before, i've forgotten if i have, but this bit seems to rever to the wall (doh), but i make an other/wright from the blue flower, and afaik, they dont smell so they shouldnt fill the air with sweetness. someone has a clue?


I'm not gonna comment on the previous statements apart from the last one, this: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Blue_winter_rose

The Blue Winter rose was Lyanna's favorites Flower, reference to Jon?


hmm might be, also might be where i read about it before. The Azor Azhai (do you spell it like that?) prophecy has nothing to do with sweetsmelling air, so curious what that'd mean.


What has that prophecy anything to do with sweetsmelling air?

"There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him."


that's what i said it has nothing to do with sweetsmelling air.
im too tired to think clearly, altho it gives fun ideas, quite sure they'd be wrong, altho you might never know with GRRM

On June 14 2013 07:01 Yhamm wrote:
if you don't know about this : http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Prophecies/


thx for that, might give me some answers or more weird ideas :D
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 13 2013 22:09 GMT
#7889
On June 14 2013 07:01 Koerage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 06:52 Tiwo wrote:
On June 14 2013 06:28 Koerage wrote:
On June 14 2013 06:22 Tiwo wrote:
On June 14 2013 06:16 Koerage wrote:
im currently re-reading the books and wondered if (F)Aegon could be Dany's "treason of blood" she was foretold at the house of the undying? I was also curious of other people know the three fires (Life death love) or mounts (to bed, to dread and to love). Personally think the treasons of gold and love have already passed. (Jorah and Daario)
She also sees the following:
"A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering croud." - Could it be (F)Aegon conquering some place and being welcomed by the people who live there as the rightful ruler?
"A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly." - the men of the nights watch who were sent north by John to get the wildlings out return as others/wrights?
"A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness." - Im not sure if i read about this on TL before, i've forgotten if i have, but this bit seems to rever to the wall (doh), but i make an other/wright from the blue flower, and afaik, they dont smell so they shouldnt fill the air with sweetness. someone has a clue?


I'm not gonna comment on the previous statements apart from the last one, this: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Blue_winter_rose

The Blue Winter rose was Lyanna's favorites Flower, reference to Jon?


hmm might be, also might be where i read about it before. The Azor Azhai (do you spell it like that?) prophecy has nothing to do with sweetsmelling air, so curious what that'd mean.


What has that prophecy anything to do with sweetsmelling air?

"There will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him."


that's what i said it has nothing to do with sweetsmelling air.
im too tired to think clearly, altho it gives fun ideas, quite sure they'd be wrong, altho you might never know with GRRM

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2013 07:01 Yhamm wrote:
if you don't know about this : http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Prophecies/


thx for that, might give me some answers or more weird ideas :D

Sweetsmelling air doesn't have to mean anything, and that line doesn't have anything to do with Azor Ahai. It's Lyanna's favorite flower, so it "could" mean that Jon is her son. It's possible that it means Jon will improve things at the Wall, but it can easily mean nothing at all.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10124 Posts
June 14 2013 16:12 GMT
#7890
On June 14 2013 00:44 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
A lot could happen in the last 2 books, I mean Aegon pretty much just came completely out of left field in ADwD, so who knows what will pop up. If I had to pick someone to sit the throne right now (if there even is one come the final book...) I'd say Stannis will claim it in the end.

He just seems like the perfect fit for this story. Likely not especially bad, nor is he especially good as a ruler. Just a cold man of duty and justice. He won't be loved, but he'll be king anyway. Plus he seems to have that lame messiah deal going for him and the Lord of Light is op so...

Dany will either die or realize she's better off in Essos after losing almost everything. She'll probably at least retain Drogon though.

Aegon may claim the throne but won't hold it in the end. He seems like he's been engineered to be king, he's too perfect. Something will go wrong.

Littlefinger will come close but won't have it in the end.

Tyrion is too cool for King's Landing

Lannisters and Tyrells will destroy each other.

Sansa probably would never want to even go back to King's Landing. Jon Snow wouldn't want it. Really, I don't think any of the Starks would.

Dorne will fall with Aegon.

Stannis it is.


i liked your post but i dont see Stannis living enough to sit in the throne. idk if the books said something about it but in the series Melissandre says that his blood has lost power so for me that means he is going to die and never make it to the throne. maybe he will die after retaking Winterfell and Jon woul get there and command the army of Stannis and the former starks bannermans
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
June 14 2013 18:37 GMT
#7891
didnt stannis "die" according to ramsey's letter?
and jon got stabbed a few times by his own brothers when he called out to attack ramsey.

i'm sure both are not "dead-dead" so i look forward to how grrm will play this out
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ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
June 14 2013 18:53 GMT
#7892
finally finished. few. im spoiler proof.
now i can enjoy this thread untill the winds of winter comes out.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 14 2013 18:55 GMT
#7893
On June 15 2013 03:53 ComaDose wrote:
finally finished. few. im spoiler proof.
now i can enjoy this thread untill the winds of winter comes out.

There are still 2 preview chapters we can spoil for you. Muahahaha.
It's your boy Guzma!
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
June 14 2013 19:40 GMT
#7894
I wish someone melted the damn Iron Throne and killed the concept of united seven kingdoms already
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 21:22:18
June 14 2013 20:05 GMT
#7895
Haha im joining the list of people who managed to finish the books today. I guess a lot of us had enough motivation to read after the tv-season finished.

I was just tilted from playing starcraft so i thought.. yeah lets read the last 5% of a dance with dragons.... and then i read about stupid jon snow making stupid decisions that get him killed... I really liked his storyline but it was clear that he was walking on thin ice. stupid bastard! nothing good happens to starks who ride south. Stupid oath breaker.

Boltons bastard is just annoying. I cant wait until he dies.. Im eager to read the next book just to see him die. These books just make people angry...:D
When the characters to root for threaten to go extinct you have to look forward to the death of the bad guys.. what else pushes you to keep reading.. :D

I fear GRRM gets uncreative with building up and killing characters. Having Varys assassinate Kevan Lannister... Varys and Littlefinger were always the people that were pulling the strings behind the scenes and dont have to give things such a rough bump in the right direction. It doesnt fit the "chaos is a pit" approach from the tv show, but i guess thats seperate from the books and a contradiction yet to come to the tv show.

Also GRRM didnt put much effort into Kevan. Its more like an unnecessary side story just to keep GRRM's kill count high enough per book and so his good reputation as a character slayer. HA! you cant hurt me GRRM! Im invincible!

So im wondering, is stannis really dead? .. I guess i got spoiled at this interactive map of westeros. Where are those preview chapters of the 6th book?
and i dont know what happens to the Nights Watch now.. Jon Snow was the one who held wildlings and nights watch together.. i cant imagine who else could do that. Wouldnt they fight each other now or the wildlings just do whatever they like?
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
June 14 2013 20:15 GMT
#7896
Read the theon chapter from book 6 that was released
Easy to fins and pretty good
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
June 14 2013 20:21 GMT
#7897
On June 14 2013 03:14 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2013 23:56 Erasme wrote:
Maybe Jon marries Dany..

Worst ending ever.


I really hope Dany fails.
Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-14 20:54:41
June 14 2013 20:53 GMT
#7898
I don't know about Stannis. Danny had a vision, "Glowing like sunset, a red sword was raised in the hand of a blue-eyed king who cast no shadow."

I have always pictured that to mean Stannis as a wight. The blue eyes, as they become when they turn, and casting no shadow, which to me seemed to indicate he is dead. Him being a likely fake AA and being at the wall, I always thought he was gonna bite it soon.

I don't buy Ramsay's letter however, the Bolton's are quite unlikely to come out ahead of Winterfell's situation, with all the internal factions, frey-pies, Mance Ryder shenanigans plus an army surrounding them. But who knows.
Member of the Pirate Party - direct democracy, institutional transparency, and freedom of information
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
June 14 2013 20:59 GMT
#7899
On June 15 2013 05:15 D10 wrote:
Read the theon chapter from book 6 that was released
Easy to fins and pretty good


Well ive read it now and im not any wiser than before.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 10:28:01
June 15 2013 10:09 GMT
#7900
I don't think (F)Aegon will be Dany's treason of blood because he's probably a Blackfyre.
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