EPTThe scene with Dany in the end was supposed to be epic, but seemed poorly directed and acted (by Emilia mostly). Ended up being underwhelming despite the "size" of it.
Asha's badass moment stole the episode for me.
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
The scene with Dany in the end was supposed to be epic, but seemed poorly directed and acted (by Emilia mostly). Ended up being underwhelming despite the "size" of it. Asha's badass moment stole the episode for me. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On June 10 2013 13:58 Lord Tolkien wrote: Did they really say that? :\ What the fuck where. A couple of videos. Fast forward to around 4:25 | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 10 2013 15:43 Talin wrote: I'm at a point where I barely remember how things went in the books anymore. Did Ygritte really shoot Jon? I thought their next meeting was going to be when she dies during/after the attack. The scene with Dany in the end was supposed to be epic, but seemed poorly directed and acted (by Emilia mostly). Ended up being underwhelming despite the "size" of it. Asha's badass moment stole the episode for me. I was curious of this too, so I checked it out. Apparently she shoots Jon as he's fleeing initially in the leg and the scene that happened in the show never happened in the books. Though really I liked the addition the show did more. I just hope that's it, and their next encounter is Ygritte dying as it should be. and yes, I really wish they used more people to make the RW more gruesome rather than trying to make that corny scene such a spectacle :/ | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
This Stannis...  | ||
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
And they're making Stannis so much more lame. Him coming to the rescue of the Wall is one of the coolest moments in the book, and instead they're just making Stannis look like Melisandre's puppy The show is so much enjoyable to watch, but unless they somehow rescue this mess with Shae, which is so important to Tyrion's characterization, and they rescue the growing mess with Stannis... this show is losing it's status I'd been so happy to give it as "best book-to-screen adaptation I've seen." They're dangerously close to not deserving it anymore... That said, Davos + Stannis's daughter was super cute, as were the Sam scenes. Was hoping Arya would do a ragekill, but at least we got a dagger kill, so that's good On June 10 2013 11:56 Fruscainte wrote: I'm absolutely loving the character assassination D&D is performing on Stannis. Does this sound like the Stannis in the show? Stannis went North because Davos convinced him the kings DUTY is to protect the people of the realm before anything else. In the show it's just Stannis being Melly's lapdog and being a religious zealot who D&D clearly perceive as the badguy. Which is not surprising considering they've stated before Stannis is their least favorite core character. Fuuuuuuuuuck, I wish we'd scene this instead. Edit: haha, I wrote "scene" instead of "seen" | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 10 2013 15:47 forsooth wrote: A couple of videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaslqlBtSbc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWQMqaFm5X0 Fast forward to around 4:25 Those are actually really depressing... I feel like D&D didn't even read the books after watching those. "Lord Seaworth is a man of humble birth, but he reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne." Stannis pointed north. "There is where I'll find the enemy I was born to fight." Nailed it.. -facepalm- | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Those are actually really depressing... I feel like D&D didn't even read the books after watching those. "Lord Seaworth is a man of humble birth, but he reminded me of my duty, when all I could think of was my rights. I had the cart before the horse, Davos said. I was trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should have been trying to save the kingdom to win the throne." Stannis pointed north. "There is where I'll find the enemy I was born to fight." Nailed it.. -facepalm- Oh, goddamn. They know nothing. Gaaaaaah, | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
The show is frustrating to watch for that reason, some of the characters they get right like Tyrion for example to the point where I can't imagine anyone but Peter Dinklage when I think of Tyrion Lannister in the books. Others like Stannis, Bran, Arya (to a lesser extent), and Cersei are so different in a bad way from how they are in the books that it really frustrates me. They have the ability to bring the characters completely to life and yet they choose only to exercise that power with some. It's annoyingly inconsistent. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On June 10 2013 16:02 TheRealPaciFist wrote: What the HELL are the doing with Shae? That scene was HORRIBLE. URRRRRRGHHHHHHH And they're making Stannis so much more lame. Him coming to the rescue of the Wall is one of the coolest moments in the book, and instead they're just making Stannis look like Melisandre's puppy The show is so much enjoyable to watch, but unless they somehow rescue this mess with Shae, which is so important to Tyrion's characterization, and they rescue the growing mess with Stannis... this show is losing it's status I'd been so happy to give it as "best book-to-screen adaptation I've seen." They're dangerously close to not deserving it anymore... That said, Davos + Stannis's daughter was super cute, as were the Sam scenes. Was hoping Arya would do a ragekill, but at least we got a dagger kill, so that's good Fuuuuuuuuuck, I wish we'd scene this instead. Shae they are building much more foreshadow towards her betrayal of Tyrion in the show, in order to increase its impact in much the same way that Rob's wife had a more prominent role in the show than in the books only to be murdered at the Red Wedding. Shae's eventually going to betray Tyrion but they show's writers want to paint it in such a way so that it looks like she's justified when in reality she was just a whore playing Tyrion from the get go. I guess they feel it's more dramatic that way when she actually loves him instead of just being a complete professional the way she is in the books. I mean half the reason Tyrion kills her is because he finds her in his father's bed. | ||
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sths
Australia192 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/a6qLqLt.jpg) This is from the TV only thread. I thought it was too good not to post it here as well. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Stannis on the other hand, it's easy to see how someone can see him the way he's portrayed in the show. It's a very thin line between Stannis the bastion of honor and duty and the one that obsesses over his right to rule and destroying those that denied him that right no matter the cost. It's easy to swing one way or the other when trying to determine which of his two sides is the more dominant one. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
He's a lot like Eddard Stark in the way that his core values are so stone solid that it's actually a fault of his. It's a trait they managed to do well with Ned's character that they just completely neglect in the show. That's the whole reason Davos is important as a character in the first place, because he helps to balance Stannis and remind him of his humanity, something Stannis acknowledges that he needs him for. | ||
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TheRealPaciFist
United States1049 Posts
On June 10 2013 18:53 Vindicare605 wrote: But that conflict is what makes Stannis such an intriguing character and its completely dumbed down in the show. He's a lot like Eddard Stark in the way that his core values are so stone solid that it's actually a fault of his. It's a trait they managed to do well with Ned's character that they just completely neglect in the show. That's the whole reason Davos is important as a character in the first place, because he helps to balance Stannis and remind him of his humanity, something Stannis acknowledges that he needs him for. I've always thought of Stannis as a harder, smarter, definitely less likable but definitely more capable version of Ned. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On June 10 2013 19:11 TheRealPaciFist wrote: I've always thought of Stannis as a harder, smarter, definitely less likable but definitely more capable version of Ned. I wouldn't call him smarter necessarily. He has the benefit of being involved in a straight up war where he knows he cant trust anyone. Ned was soft, complacent in his closeness to Robert. The war hadn't started so he let his guard down just enough to get his head cut off. Stannis knows the game is already in full swing, that's why he's lived as long as he has. Although I very much doubt he'll be alive for long once Book 6 gets going, his march on Winterfell was fucking suicidal and definitely more an act of desperation than being smart. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
I didn't like the last scene either, at least for people who didn't read the book. They should have given the audience an idea of what exactly Daenarys was going to do from their on out. Instead TV viewers just had some scene where people were picking her up like she just hit the game winning home run. Overall I found this entire season pretty decent, but it was definitely filled with a lot of dubious dialogue and unnecessary scenes. Considering they only had the first half of book 3 to work with I guess it was kind of a hard task. Next season definitely has the potential to be great. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
edit: Maybe its this? On June 10 2013 19:11 TheRealPaciFist wrote: I've always thought of Stannis as a harder, smarter, definitely less likable but definitely more capable version of Ned. People desperately want him to be the good guy or something? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On June 10 2013 20:21 Redox wrote: Other than that, I am surprised people are not bitching about the biggest plot change so far. Shae is confirmed for truly loving Tyrion, and not the common whore she was in the books. So most probably she will not betray Tyrion, there will be no scene with Tyrion killing her etc. It will all be very different. Easily solved. Make Sansa+Tyrion get closer to eachother (they already are in the show), maybe start to fall in love, Shae gets jealous and betrays Tyrion at his trial and proceeds to sleep with Tywin. It's not better than the original, but it can work and it's nowhere near as much of a big deal as the character assassination of Stannis in his last scene. Book Stannis had difficulties sending Edric Storm to the slaughter because of his extremely rigid moral system. In the show he shrugs Gendry's death off his shoulders. | ||
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OneThreeOne
Norway86 Posts
On June 10 2013 20:21 Redox wrote: Other than that, I am surprised people are not bitching about the biggest plot change so far. Shae is confirmed for truly loving Tyrion, and not the common whore she was in the books. So most probably she will not betray Tyrion, there will be no scene with Tyrion killing her etc. It will all be very different. If she truly loves Tyrion, wouldn't she have followed Varys' advice and left? The show may reveal that she has been Tywin's bitch from the get go. | ||
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