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On June 10 2013 00:39 KOFgokuon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 13:45 schmutttt wrote:
What do you think will be the order of events next season, and roughly what episode?
I'm guessing purple wedding is ep 3/4 (Around the same time wildlings attack) and ep 9 will be stannis saving the wall. Ep 10 will be death of tywin and lady stoneheart revealed. Too long, they need to hurry things along if they're seriously considering doing the whole series in 7 seasons. They can't waste half a season on half of a book. They're gonna have to do a lot of cutting and compressing of storylines
Season 4 will have part of book 4 and 5, kinda confirmed already by GRRM
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On June 09 2013 22:30 BallinWitStalin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 20:45 Tiwo wrote:
I want to talk about a theory about the White Walkers and Coldhands, (because of looking something up, I came across a linking Theory)
I'm rereading ASOS again, and I'm on the part where Sam runs away with Gilly, and she said:
"If you don't take him, they will."
"They?" said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, "They. They. They."
"The boy's brothers" said the old woman on the left. "Craster's sons. The white cold's rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don't lie. They'll be here soon, the sons."
In the series Craster said to the Old Bear, that he has 99 sons. (dunno if that is including Gilly's Little Monster)
Does this imply that the Others are Craster's sons? More people like to think that, and other deny it, but I can't find more about this. And are they all Craster's sons, or are they just a part of it. And where does Craster comes from?
While I was looking up White Walkers in general, I came across the "Night's King" who was supposedly the brother of the King in the North, aka a Stark. Whose queen was some white Cold Skin (aka female white walker?) and was doing the same as Craster with his Sons. His Name was forbidden after he got beaten by his Brother and Joramun (so by 2 kings) at the Nightfort. It's not said what his name was. but they say it's implied that his name was Bran.
This rang a bell for me, Coldhands...
It is known that Coldhands has Benjen features, but Coldhands has been around for a long time according to the Children of the Forest. But what if Coldhands is a Stark, maybe even the Night's King (or a Son of the Night's King).
In one of the last Bran chapters Coldhands tells Bran: "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark."
Brandon? RLY, none even called him that. Coldhands is Brandon Stark. So to back things up I said:
Night's King = Bran
Coldhands = Brandon
Night's King = Coldhands
And the History of the Starks tells me that the only Brandon was ever called Bran, was Bran the Builder. Since the name Bran was banned in the Theory.
But Bran the builder was King in the North him self, and not a Brother of the Nightswatch, or was he...
Since the Night's King was just after the wall was made, it is possible that he joined the Nightswatch and a brother of his became King in the North.
"Craster's father was a man of the Night's Watch and his mother was a wildling woman from the village of Whitetree. His father abandoned his mother after Craster was conceived, and when his mother tried to bring him to Castle Black, she was chased off by members of the Watch. His father's name is never mentioned."
To add something silly, and don't shoot me for this: WHAT IF Craster is a Stark somehow? A descendant from Bran the Builder, and had Other's blood?
What are your thoughts about this, or does anyone knows where this is more talked about, since I just come across bits and pieces. Pretty long shot theory, with no evidence backing it up. Night's King was the thirteenth lord commander, so that would make him around 8,000 years old if he was coldhands, give or take a few hundred. Also I think it unlikely that Bran the Builder is Coldhands and the night's king, both.
I actually like to believe that it's not 8000 years ago, timelines can be weird sometimes in those times. even so, why can't he be 1000 years old, or 8000 for that matter. The Childeren suggest that he has been here for a while. I actually found a forums now they are talking about theory and whats the bigger picture in the story can be.
What sticks on my head is that Sam is confused that Jon is the 998th Lord Commander, while he can only find the most completed list with 667 Lord Commanders.
But I'll try my luck there with some theories, to see what they found out 
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On June 09 2013 22:30 BallinWitStalin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 20:45 Tiwo wrote:
I want to talk about a theory about the White Walkers and Coldhands, (because of looking something up, I came across a linking Theory)
I'm rereading ASOS again, and I'm on the part where Sam runs away with Gilly, and she said:
"If you don't take him, they will."
"They?" said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, "They. They. They."
"The boy's brothers" said the old woman on the left. "Craster's sons. The white cold's rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don't lie. They'll be here soon, the sons."
In the series Craster said to the Old Bear, that he has 99 sons. (dunno if that is including Gilly's Little Monster)
Does this imply that the Others are Craster's sons? More people like to think that, and other deny it, but I can't find more about this. And are they all Craster's sons, or are they just a part of it. And where does Craster comes from?
While I was looking up White Walkers in general, I came across the "Night's King" who was supposedly the brother of the King in the North, aka a Stark. Whose queen was some white Cold Skin (aka female white walker?) and was doing the same as Craster with his Sons. His Name was forbidden after he got beaten by his Brother and Joramun (so by 2 kings) at the Nightfort. It's not said what his name was. but they say it's implied that his name was Bran.
This rang a bell for me, Coldhands...
It is known that Coldhands has Benjen features, but Coldhands has been around for a long time according to the Children of the Forest. But what if Coldhands is a Stark, maybe even the Night's King (or a Son of the Night's King).
In one of the last Bran chapters Coldhands tells Bran: "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark."
Brandon? RLY, none even called him that. Coldhands is Brandon Stark. So to back things up I said:
Night's King = Bran
Coldhands = Brandon
Night's King = Coldhands
And the History of the Starks tells me that the only Brandon was ever called Bran, was Bran the Builder. Since the name Bran was banned in the Theory.
But Bran the builder was King in the North him self, and not a Brother of the Nightswatch, or was he...
Since the Night's King was just after the wall was made, it is possible that he joined the Nightswatch and a brother of his became King in the North.
"Craster's father was a man of the Night's Watch and his mother was a wildling woman from the village of Whitetree. His father abandoned his mother after Craster was conceived, and when his mother tried to bring him to Castle Black, she was chased off by members of the Watch. His father's name is never mentioned."
To add something silly, and don't shoot me for this: WHAT IF Craster is a Stark somehow? A descendant from Bran the Builder, and had Other's blood?
What are your thoughts about this, or does anyone knows where this is more talked about, since I just come across bits and pieces. Pretty long shot theory, with no evidence backing it up. Night's King was the thirteenth lord commander, so that would make him around 8,000 years old if he was coldhands, give or take a few hundred. Also I think it unlikely that Bran the Builder is Coldhands and the night's king, both.
There is no good nominee for Coldhand's former/true identity.
I'd need to look around to find the longer write up, but among the few available ideas for the identity of Coldhands the Night King is one of the ones with at least some support. I think it might actually just be the same reasons Tiwo posted; there is a hint that he is an ancient Brandon Stark who turned into a sentient version of a wight and the same is likely true for the Night King.
The son of the Night King and the female Other who was his queen has been a nominee before as well, but that one is farther fetched. I do not see how it passes the test set by Coldhand's status as a former member of the Night's Watch, and it was never said that they even had a kid let alone that he would have ended up in the Night's Watch. I know we are working with particularly iffy ifs piled on one another no matter what with Coldhands, but that doesn't mean things should be presumed out of thin air.
Bran the Builder was not the Night King.
The Wall's construction, founding of the Night's Watch, reign of Bran the Builder, Long Night etc. probably wasn't the 8000 years ago that gets thrown around in the legends. The best timeline would be the Night's Watch records, in which Sam found six hundred some lord commanders instead of the almost a thousand that go along with the 8000 year legend. Sadly he doesn't provide a year estimate. Another benchmark is that it appears someone had a "dragonsteel" sword, and if dragonsteel=Valyrian steel then it would have been after Valyria started making it, so after they tamed dragons and started their empire, and the legend on that topic goes that it was 6000 years ago.
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On June 09 2013 20:45 Tiwo wrote:
I want to talk about a theory about the White Walkers and Coldhands, (because of looking something up, I came across a linking Theory)
I'm rereading ASOS again, and I'm on the part where Sam runs away with Gilly, and she said:
"If you don't take him, they will."
"They?" said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, "They. They. They."
"The boy's brothers" said the old woman on the left. "Craster's sons. The white cold's rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don't lie. They'll be here soon, the sons."
In the series Craster said to the Old Bear, that he has 99 sons. (dunno if that is including Gilly's Little Monster)
Does this imply that the Others are Craster's sons? More people like to think that, and other deny it, but I can't find more about this. And are they all Craster's sons, or are they just a part of it. And where does Craster comes from?
While I was looking up White Walkers in general, I came across the "Night's King" who was supposedly the brother of the King in the North, aka a Stark. Whose queen was some white Cold Skin (aka female white walker?) and was doing the same as Craster with his Sons. His Name was forbidden after he got beaten by his Brother and Joramun (so by 2 kings) at the Nightfort. It's not said what his name was. but they say it's implied that his name was Bran.
This rang a bell for me, Coldhands...
It is known that Coldhands has Benjen features, but Coldhands has been around for a long time according to the Children of the Forest. But what if Coldhands is a Stark, maybe even the Night's King (or a Son of the Night's King).
In one of the last Bran chapters Coldhands tells Bran: "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark."
Brandon? RLY, none even called him that. Coldhands is Brandon Stark. So to back things up I said:
Night's King = Bran
Coldhands = Brandon
Night's King = Coldhands
And the History of the Starks tells me that the only Brandon was ever called Bran, was Bran the Builder. Since the name Bran was banned in the Theory.
But Bran the builder was King in the North him self, and not a Brother of the Nightswatch, or was he...
Since the Night's King was just after the wall was made, it is possible that he joined the Nightswatch and a brother of his became King in the North.
"Craster's father was a man of the Night's Watch and his mother was a wildling woman from the village of Whitetree. His father abandoned his mother after Craster was conceived, and when his mother tried to bring him to Castle Black, she was chased off by members of the Watch. His father's name is never mentioned."
To add something silly, and don't shoot me for this: WHAT IF Craster is a Stark somehow? A descendant from Bran the Builder, and had Other's blood?
What are your thoughts about this, or does anyone knows where this is more talked about, since I just come across bits and pieces.
Nice theorycrafting! Do you have some more info from that other forum?
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On June 09 2013 20:38 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 13:12 armada[sb] wrote:It bothers me that people like this guy: On June 09 2013 07:16 Aegon I wrote:
If the curse affects Balon and Joffrey the same way that it did Robb(someone else murders them), who and why?
Balon - They have his son. Tywin has shown what parents are willing to do to get their kids back. The Iron Islanders might not agree. They gave up his son pretty quick. Would they really want to try and get him back? Yara is the only character we know outside of a couple of the Sea bitch crew, so she would be the prime candidate.
Joffrey - Tyrion has the most reason at the moment. He might not live if he doesn't. Sansa would be an unlikely one, but maybe that's the point? I could also see Cercie strangling him for the good of the family. Post in the TV thread and hold people's hands through current and upcoming events in the show. I mean, ffs, his quote is an excerpt from ADWD. What part is a quote, exactly? I mean, if that's the case we could easily report him and get him banned. I've been suspicious of that guy ever since he started contributing. A new account with that name in the other thread is just too weird. Aegon was barely mentioned in the show, and surely not as "Aegon I", and it's really weird to name yourself after a side-character that's only ever talked about in passing for half a minute, at most.
I was actually referring to his TL account's quote, which if I remember correctly is from a Connington chapter at the end when they have taken back Griffin's Roost. He is remembering Rhaegar standing atop the castle and remarking upon the beauty of his lands. He reflects on how his eyes were a deeper color than Faegon's and it is a big part of the Faegon theory IIRC.
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On June 10 2013 02:40 InDaHouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 20:45 Tiwo wrote:
I want to talk about a theory about the White Walkers and Coldhands, (because of looking something up, I came across a linking Theory)
I'm rereading ASOS again, and I'm on the part where Sam runs away with Gilly, and she said:
"If you don't take him, they will."
"They?" said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, "They. They. They."
"The boy's brothers" said the old woman on the left. "Craster's sons. The white cold's rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don't lie. They'll be here soon, the sons."
In the series Craster said to the Old Bear, that he has 99 sons. (dunno if that is including Gilly's Little Monster)
Does this imply that the Others are Craster's sons? More people like to think that, and other deny it, but I can't find more about this. And are they all Craster's sons, or are they just a part of it. And where does Craster comes from?
While I was looking up White Walkers in general, I came across the "Night's King" who was supposedly the brother of the King in the North, aka a Stark. Whose queen was some white Cold Skin (aka female white walker?) and was doing the same as Craster with his Sons. His Name was forbidden after he got beaten by his Brother and Joramun (so by 2 kings) at the Nightfort. It's not said what his name was. but they say it's implied that his name was Bran.
This rang a bell for me, Coldhands...
It is known that Coldhands has Benjen features, but Coldhands has been around for a long time according to the Children of the Forest. But what if Coldhands is a Stark, maybe even the Night's King (or a Son of the Night's King).
In one of the last Bran chapters Coldhands tells Bran: "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark."
Brandon? RLY, none even called him that. Coldhands is Brandon Stark. So to back things up I said:
Night's King = Bran
Coldhands = Brandon
Night's King = Coldhands
And the History of the Starks tells me that the only Brandon was ever called Bran, was Bran the Builder. Since the name Bran was banned in the Theory.
But Bran the builder was King in the North him self, and not a Brother of the Nightswatch, or was he...
Since the Night's King was just after the wall was made, it is possible that he joined the Nightswatch and a brother of his became King in the North.
"Craster's father was a man of the Night's Watch and his mother was a wildling woman from the village of Whitetree. His father abandoned his mother after Craster was conceived, and when his mother tried to bring him to Castle Black, she was chased off by members of the Watch. His father's name is never mentioned."
To add something silly, and don't shoot me for this: WHAT IF Craster is a Stark somehow? A descendant from Bran the Builder, and had Other's blood?
What are your thoughts about this, or does anyone knows where this is more talked about, since I just come across bits and pieces. Nice theorycrafting! Do you have some more info from that other forum?
When I googled this theory I found this, http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61905-heresy-6/ This is the 6th topic for them already, so it's like 2000posts long or something while sidetracking ofcourse, I only just start reading it my self (the bigger posts) and found some posts that back this up and some of them makes no sense for me. I'm gonna ask some more there to back the theory up.
I.e. There is a theory that the night watch picked every year a new, so Bran the builder could be the 1st and 13th Lord Commander, and someone was talking about Craster recognized Jon Snow as a Stark from the get-go, from his features, and implied that he has Stark or Other blood or something, (kinda weird way to think if you ask me).
They also talk about "Why are the Children of the Forest north of the wall? If they helped make Bran the Builder the wall?"
But generally the White Walkers theories interests me, and I think GRRM wants to keep it as secret as possible for now, and I think the next few days I'm gonna find out what I can what can back this up from that forum. And after that I'm reading AFFC and ADWD for the 2nd time when I'm done with ASOS, and gonna look for clues my self.
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On June 10 2013 03:28 armada[sb] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 20:38 Conti wrote:On June 09 2013 13:12 armada[sb] wrote:It bothers me that people like this guy: On June 09 2013 07:16 Aegon I wrote:
If the curse affects Balon and Joffrey the same way that it did Robb(someone else murders them), who and why?
Balon - They have his son. Tywin has shown what parents are willing to do to get their kids back. The Iron Islanders might not agree. They gave up his son pretty quick. Would they really want to try and get him back? Yara is the only character we know outside of a couple of the Sea bitch crew, so she would be the prime candidate.
Joffrey - Tyrion has the most reason at the moment. He might not live if he doesn't. Sansa would be an unlikely one, but maybe that's the point? I could also see Cercie strangling him for the good of the family. Post in the TV thread and hold people's hands through current and upcoming events in the show. I mean, ffs, his quote is an excerpt from ADWD. What part is a quote, exactly? I mean, if that's the case we could easily report him and get him banned. I've been suspicious of that guy ever since he started contributing. A new account with that name in the other thread is just too weird. Aegon was barely mentioned in the show, and surely not as "Aegon I", and it's really weird to name yourself after a side-character that's only ever talked about in passing for half a minute, at most. I was actually referring to his TL account's quote, which if I remember correctly is from a Connington chapter at the end when they have taken back Griffin's Roost. He is remembering Rhaegar standing atop the castle and remarking upon the beauty of his lands. He reflects on how his eyes were a deeper color than Faegon's and it is a big part of the Faegon theory IIRC.
Yes, to be precise his sig was:
"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's", which is from the scene in ADWD you are talking about.
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Hes banned. Justice has come.
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On June 10 2013 03:31 Tiwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 02:40 InDaHouse wrote:On June 09 2013 20:45 Tiwo wrote:
I want to talk about a theory about the White Walkers and Coldhands, (because of looking something up, I came across a linking Theory)
I'm rereading ASOS again, and I'm on the part where Sam runs away with Gilly, and she said:
"If you don't take him, they will."
"They?" said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, "They. They. They."
"The boy's brothers" said the old woman on the left. "Craster's sons. The white cold's rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don't lie. They'll be here soon, the sons."
In the series Craster said to the Old Bear, that he has 99 sons. (dunno if that is including Gilly's Little Monster)
Does this imply that the Others are Craster's sons? More people like to think that, and other deny it, but I can't find more about this. And are they all Craster's sons, or are they just a part of it. And where does Craster comes from?
While I was looking up White Walkers in general, I came across the "Night's King" who was supposedly the brother of the King in the North, aka a Stark. Whose queen was some white Cold Skin (aka female white walker?) and was doing the same as Craster with his Sons. His Name was forbidden after he got beaten by his Brother and Joramun (so by 2 kings) at the Nightfort. It's not said what his name was. but they say it's implied that his name was Bran.
This rang a bell for me, Coldhands...
It is known that Coldhands has Benjen features, but Coldhands has been around for a long time according to the Children of the Forest. But what if Coldhands is a Stark, maybe even the Night's King (or a Son of the Night's King).
In one of the last Bran chapters Coldhands tells Bran: "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark."
Brandon? RLY, none even called him that. Coldhands is Brandon Stark. So to back things up I said:
Night's King = Bran
Coldhands = Brandon
Night's King = Coldhands
And the History of the Starks tells me that the only Brandon was ever called Bran, was Bran the Builder. Since the name Bran was banned in the Theory.
But Bran the builder was King in the North him self, and not a Brother of the Nightswatch, or was he...
Since the Night's King was just after the wall was made, it is possible that he joined the Nightswatch and a brother of his became King in the North.
"Craster's father was a man of the Night's Watch and his mother was a wildling woman from the village of Whitetree. His father abandoned his mother after Craster was conceived, and when his mother tried to bring him to Castle Black, she was chased off by members of the Watch. His father's name is never mentioned."
To add something silly, and don't shoot me for this: WHAT IF Craster is a Stark somehow? A descendant from Bran the Builder, and had Other's blood?
What are your thoughts about this, or does anyone knows where this is more talked about, since I just come across bits and pieces. Nice theorycrafting! Do you have some more info from that other forum? When I googled this theory I found this, http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61905-heresy-6/ This is the 6th topic for them already, so it's like 2000posts long or something while sidetracking ofcourse, I only just start reading it my self (the bigger posts) and found some posts that back this up and some of them makes no sense for me. I'm gonna ask some more there to back the theory up. I.e. There is a theory that the night watch picked every year a new, so Bran the builder could be the 1st and 13th Lord Commander, and someone was talking about Craster recognized Jon Snow as a Stark from the get-go, from his features, and implied that he has Stark or Other blood or something, (kinda weird way to think if you ask me). They also talk about "Why are the Children of the Forest north of the wall? If they helped make Bran the Builder the wall?" But generally the White Walkers theories interests me, and I think GRRM wants to keep it as secret as possible for now, and I think the next few days I'm gonna find out what I can what can back this up from that forum. And after that I'm reading AFFC and ADWD for the 2nd time when I'm done with ASOS, and gonna look for clues my self.
I have recently started to think that GRRM wants to mindfuck us to believe that the Children of the Forest are "good" and antagonists to the White walkers. Like you say, why are they north of the wall? And what is Coldhands purpose? Maybe Bloodraven turns and transforms Bran into something "evil", maybe that was Coldhands job to fetch the Stark-boy with Greenseer ability.
Melisandre says Bran and Bloodraven are enemies to the Lord of Light and Bloodraven says Bran will use darkness to shield himself, and who likes darkness, the white walkers of course.
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Who said the others are evil?
I'm a fan of the ideas that say Bran is headed towards being something along the lines of part of "team ice", but I do not give one moment of credit to the idea that this is a story of good and evil.
If I had to choose I imagine I'd be in more agreement with whatever Bloodraven's world view is than Melisandre's. His is inevitably far better informed and, given his past allegiances and known history, his is probably the reasonable, pragmatic and all around balanced middleground.
From some quotes we've been given: Fire is life, but fire consumes. Ice is death, but it also preserves. Doesn't the world kinda need both, probably?
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On June 10 2013 03:45 InDaHouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 03:31 Tiwo wrote:On June 10 2013 02:40 InDaHouse wrote:On June 09 2013 20:45 Tiwo wrote:
I want to talk about a theory about the White Walkers and Coldhands, (because of looking something up, I came across a linking Theory)
I'm rereading ASOS again, and I'm on the part where Sam runs away with Gilly, and she said:
"If you don't take him, they will."
"They?" said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, "They. They. They."
"The boy's brothers" said the old woman on the left. "Craster's sons. The white cold's rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don't lie. They'll be here soon, the sons."
In the series Craster said to the Old Bear, that he has 99 sons. (dunno if that is including Gilly's Little Monster)
Does this imply that the Others are Craster's sons? More people like to think that, and other deny it, but I can't find more about this. And are they all Craster's sons, or are they just a part of it. And where does Craster comes from?
While I was looking up White Walkers in general, I came across the "Night's King" who was supposedly the brother of the King in the North, aka a Stark. Whose queen was some white Cold Skin (aka female white walker?) and was doing the same as Craster with his Sons. His Name was forbidden after he got beaten by his Brother and Joramun (so by 2 kings) at the Nightfort. It's not said what his name was. but they say it's implied that his name was Bran.
This rang a bell for me, Coldhands...
It is known that Coldhands has Benjen features, but Coldhands has been around for a long time according to the Children of the Forest. But what if Coldhands is a Stark, maybe even the Night's King (or a Son of the Night's King).
In one of the last Bran chapters Coldhands tells Bran: "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark."
Brandon? RLY, none even called him that. Coldhands is Brandon Stark. So to back things up I said:
Night's King = Bran
Coldhands = Brandon
Night's King = Coldhands
And the History of the Starks tells me that the only Brandon was ever called Bran, was Bran the Builder. Since the name Bran was banned in the Theory.
But Bran the builder was King in the North him self, and not a Brother of the Nightswatch, or was he...
Since the Night's King was just after the wall was made, it is possible that he joined the Nightswatch and a brother of his became King in the North.
"Craster's father was a man of the Night's Watch and his mother was a wildling woman from the village of Whitetree. His father abandoned his mother after Craster was conceived, and when his mother tried to bring him to Castle Black, she was chased off by members of the Watch. His father's name is never mentioned."
To add something silly, and don't shoot me for this: WHAT IF Craster is a Stark somehow? A descendant from Bran the Builder, and had Other's blood?
What are your thoughts about this, or does anyone knows where this is more talked about, since I just come across bits and pieces. Nice theorycrafting! Do you have some more info from that other forum? When I googled this theory I found this, http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61905-heresy-6/ This is the 6th topic for them already, so it's like 2000posts long or something while sidetracking ofcourse, I only just start reading it my self (the bigger posts) and found some posts that back this up and some of them makes no sense for me. I'm gonna ask some more there to back the theory up. I.e. There is a theory that the night watch picked every year a new, so Bran the builder could be the 1st and 13th Lord Commander, and someone was talking about Craster recognized Jon Snow as a Stark from the get-go, from his features, and implied that he has Stark or Other blood or something, (kinda weird way to think if you ask me). They also talk about "Why are the Children of the Forest north of the wall? If they helped make Bran the Builder the wall?" But generally the White Walkers theories interests me, and I think GRRM wants to keep it as secret as possible for now, and I think the next few days I'm gonna find out what I can what can back this up from that forum. And after that I'm reading AFFC and ADWD for the 2nd time when I'm done with ASOS, and gonna look for clues my self. I have recently started to think that GRRM wants to mindfuck us to believe that the Children of the Forest are "good" and antagonists to the White walkers. Like you say, why are they north of the wall? And what is Coldhands purpose? Maybe Bloodraven turns and transforms Bran into something "evil", maybe that was Coldhands job to fetch the Stark-boy with Greenseer ability. Melisandre says Bran and Bloodraven are enemies to the Lord of Light and Bloodraven says Bran will use darkness to shield himself, and who likes darkness, the white walkers of course.
I can't remember what happens with bran, but on that forums they keep speaking that the Weirwoods "eats" the sacrifices? I forgot about that part. And from Old Nan's stories the Servants of the Others drink the blood. And the Wights don't eat/drink people from what we know, so people think Weirwood's are the Servants. Sorry that I can't quote atm in a good way 
But you might be right that they work together, but not sure about the Evil part, none is really evil in the story
The wall is made from keeping things in? Or it works both way.
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i wouldn't be surprised at all if they showed Lady Stoneheart this episode. Her reappearance is not really time relevant in the book. And if they show her being brought back from the dead, it will give viewers hope that Robb will be revived. Which will force the people who were about to give up on the show to come back for another season, in hopes of seeing Robb revived.
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On June 10 2013 04:00 Tiwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 03:45 InDaHouse wrote:On June 10 2013 03:31 Tiwo wrote:On June 10 2013 02:40 InDaHouse wrote:On June 09 2013 20:45 Tiwo wrote:
I want to talk about a theory about the White Walkers and Coldhands, (because of looking something up, I came across a linking Theory)
I'm rereading ASOS again, and I'm on the part where Sam runs away with Gilly, and she said:
"If you don't take him, they will."
"They?" said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, "They. They. They."
"The boy's brothers" said the old woman on the left. "Craster's sons. The white cold's rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don't lie. They'll be here soon, the sons."
In the series Craster said to the Old Bear, that he has 99 sons. (dunno if that is including Gilly's Little Monster)
Does this imply that the Others are Craster's sons? More people like to think that, and other deny it, but I can't find more about this. And are they all Craster's sons, or are they just a part of it. And where does Craster comes from?
While I was looking up White Walkers in general, I came across the "Night's King" who was supposedly the brother of the King in the North, aka a Stark. Whose queen was some white Cold Skin (aka female white walker?) and was doing the same as Craster with his Sons. His Name was forbidden after he got beaten by his Brother and Joramun (so by 2 kings) at the Nightfort. It's not said what his name was. but they say it's implied that his name was Bran.
This rang a bell for me, Coldhands...
It is known that Coldhands has Benjen features, but Coldhands has been around for a long time according to the Children of the Forest. But what if Coldhands is a Stark, maybe even the Night's King (or a Son of the Night's King).
In one of the last Bran chapters Coldhands tells Bran: "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark."
Brandon? RLY, none even called him that. Coldhands is Brandon Stark. So to back things up I said:
Night's King = Bran
Coldhands = Brandon
Night's King = Coldhands
And the History of the Starks tells me that the only Brandon was ever called Bran, was Bran the Builder. Since the name Bran was banned in the Theory.
But Bran the builder was King in the North him self, and not a Brother of the Nightswatch, or was he...
Since the Night's King was just after the wall was made, it is possible that he joined the Nightswatch and a brother of his became King in the North.
"Craster's father was a man of the Night's Watch and his mother was a wildling woman from the village of Whitetree. His father abandoned his mother after Craster was conceived, and when his mother tried to bring him to Castle Black, she was chased off by members of the Watch. His father's name is never mentioned."
To add something silly, and don't shoot me for this: WHAT IF Craster is a Stark somehow? A descendant from Bran the Builder, and had Other's blood?
What are your thoughts about this, or does anyone knows where this is more talked about, since I just come across bits and pieces. Nice theorycrafting! Do you have some more info from that other forum? When I googled this theory I found this, http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61905-heresy-6/ This is the 6th topic for them already, so it's like 2000posts long or something while sidetracking ofcourse, I only just start reading it my self (the bigger posts) and found some posts that back this up and some of them makes no sense for me. I'm gonna ask some more there to back the theory up. I.e. There is a theory that the night watch picked every year a new, so Bran the builder could be the 1st and 13th Lord Commander, and someone was talking about Craster recognized Jon Snow as a Stark from the get-go, from his features, and implied that he has Stark or Other blood or something, (kinda weird way to think if you ask me). They also talk about "Why are the Children of the Forest north of the wall? If they helped make Bran the Builder the wall?" But generally the White Walkers theories interests me, and I think GRRM wants to keep it as secret as possible for now, and I think the next few days I'm gonna find out what I can what can back this up from that forum. And after that I'm reading AFFC and ADWD for the 2nd time when I'm done with ASOS, and gonna look for clues my self. I have recently started to think that GRRM wants to mindfuck us to believe that the Children of the Forest are "good" and antagonists to the White walkers. Like you say, why are they north of the wall? And what is Coldhands purpose? Maybe Bloodraven turns and transforms Bran into something "evil", maybe that was Coldhands job to fetch the Stark-boy with Greenseer ability. Melisandre says Bran and Bloodraven are enemies to the Lord of Light and Bloodraven says Bran will use darkness to shield himself, and who likes darkness, the white walkers of course. I can't remember what happens with bran, but on that forums they keep speaking that the Weirwoods "eats" the sacrifices? I forgot about that part. And from Old Nan's stories the Servants of the Others drink the blood. And the Wights don't eat/drink people from what we know, so people think Weirwood's are the Servants. Sorry that I can't quote atm in a good way But you might be right that they work together, but not sure about the Evil part, none is really evil in the story The wall is made from keeping things in? Or it works both way.
I know, very clumsily expression to talk about evil or good when you are discussing ASOIAF. But hope you got my point. Ok but as a comparison would you consider the the Aliens, Predators or Humans to be the "good side" in the Alien movies. One race just tries to survive, the same can be applied to the Others. The seem to have sick rituals and are Warcraft 3 look-a-like undead creatures that leech life from other living things... Cmon you don't associate yourself with their cause at all .
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On June 10 2013 04:36 InDaHouse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 04:00 Tiwo wrote:On June 10 2013 03:45 InDaHouse wrote:On June 10 2013 03:31 Tiwo wrote:On June 10 2013 02:40 InDaHouse wrote:On June 09 2013 20:45 Tiwo wrote:
I want to talk about a theory about the White Walkers and Coldhands, (because of looking something up, I came across a linking Theory)
I'm rereading ASOS again, and I'm on the part where Sam runs away with Gilly, and she said:
"If you don't take him, they will."
"They?" said Sam, and the raven cocked its black head and echoed, "They. They. They."
"The boy's brothers" said the old woman on the left. "Craster's sons. The white cold's rising out there, crow. I can feel it in my bones. These poor old bones don't lie. They'll be here soon, the sons."
In the series Craster said to the Old Bear, that he has 99 sons. (dunno if that is including Gilly's Little Monster)
Does this imply that the Others are Craster's sons? More people like to think that, and other deny it, but I can't find more about this. And are they all Craster's sons, or are they just a part of it. And where does Craster comes from?
While I was looking up White Walkers in general, I came across the "Night's King" who was supposedly the brother of the King in the North, aka a Stark. Whose queen was some white Cold Skin (aka female white walker?) and was doing the same as Craster with his Sons. His Name was forbidden after he got beaten by his Brother and Joramun (so by 2 kings) at the Nightfort. It's not said what his name was. but they say it's implied that his name was Bran.
This rang a bell for me, Coldhands...
It is known that Coldhands has Benjen features, but Coldhands has been around for a long time according to the Children of the Forest. But what if Coldhands is a Stark, maybe even the Night's King (or a Son of the Night's King).
In one of the last Bran chapters Coldhands tells Bran: "I'm your monster, Brandon Stark."
Brandon? RLY, none even called him that. Coldhands is Brandon Stark. So to back things up I said:
Night's King = Bran
Coldhands = Brandon
Night's King = Coldhands
And the History of the Starks tells me that the only Brandon was ever called Bran, was Bran the Builder. Since the name Bran was banned in the Theory.
But Bran the builder was King in the North him self, and not a Brother of the Nightswatch, or was he...
Since the Night's King was just after the wall was made, it is possible that he joined the Nightswatch and a brother of his became King in the North.
"Craster's father was a man of the Night's Watch and his mother was a wildling woman from the village of Whitetree. His father abandoned his mother after Craster was conceived, and when his mother tried to bring him to Castle Black, she was chased off by members of the Watch. His father's name is never mentioned."
To add something silly, and don't shoot me for this: WHAT IF Craster is a Stark somehow? A descendant from Bran the Builder, and had Other's blood?
What are your thoughts about this, or does anyone knows where this is more talked about, since I just come across bits and pieces. Nice theorycrafting! Do you have some more info from that other forum? When I googled this theory I found this, http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61905-heresy-6/ This is the 6th topic for them already, so it's like 2000posts long or something while sidetracking ofcourse, I only just start reading it my self (the bigger posts) and found some posts that back this up and some of them makes no sense for me. I'm gonna ask some more there to back the theory up. I.e. There is a theory that the night watch picked every year a new, so Bran the builder could be the 1st and 13th Lord Commander, and someone was talking about Craster recognized Jon Snow as a Stark from the get-go, from his features, and implied that he has Stark or Other blood or something, (kinda weird way to think if you ask me). They also talk about "Why are the Children of the Forest north of the wall? If they helped make Bran the Builder the wall?" But generally the White Walkers theories interests me, and I think GRRM wants to keep it as secret as possible for now, and I think the next few days I'm gonna find out what I can what can back this up from that forum. And after that I'm reading AFFC and ADWD for the 2nd time when I'm done with ASOS, and gonna look for clues my self. I have recently started to think that GRRM wants to mindfuck us to believe that the Children of the Forest are "good" and antagonists to the White walkers. Like you say, why are they north of the wall? And what is Coldhands purpose? Maybe Bloodraven turns and transforms Bran into something "evil", maybe that was Coldhands job to fetch the Stark-boy with Greenseer ability. Melisandre says Bran and Bloodraven are enemies to the Lord of Light and Bloodraven says Bran will use darkness to shield himself, and who likes darkness, the white walkers of course. I can't remember what happens with bran, but on that forums they keep speaking that the Weirwoods "eats" the sacrifices? I forgot about that part. And from Old Nan's stories the Servants of the Others drink the blood. And the Wights don't eat/drink people from what we know, so people think Weirwood's are the Servants. Sorry that I can't quote atm in a good way But you might be right that they work together, but not sure about the Evil part, none is really evil in the story The wall is made from keeping things in? Or it works both way. I know, very clumsily expression to talk about evil or good when you are discussing ASOIAF. But hope you got my point. Ok but as a comparison would you consider the the Aliens, Predators or Humans to be the "good side" in the Alien movies. One race just tries to survive, the same can be applied to the Others. The seem to have sick rituals and are Warcraft 3 look-a-like undead creatures that leech life from other living things... Cmon you don't associate yourself with their cause at all .
I do get you, but I don't know if I can't associate with their cause, because I don't know their cause.
It's possible the Children of the Forest and White Walkers are related to the Weirwood, but we don't know how.
I found a hint that Bran the Builder is not in the Crypt of Winterfell:
When they hide there Bran talks about the statues in the Crypts "Jon Stark, Rickard Stark, Theon Stark, Brandon the Shipwright, Brandon the Burner, Rodrik Stark, Torrhen Stark, and Cregan Stark" but not Bran the Builder, so where is?
Part of Old Nan's Story:
“Oh, my sweet summer child,” Old Nan said quietly, “what do you know of fear? Fear is for the winter, my little lord, when the snows fall a hundred feet deep and the ice wind comes howling out of the north. Fear is for the long night, when the sun hides its face for years at a time, and little children are born and live and die all in darkness while the direwolves grow gaunt and hungry, and the white walkers move through the woods.”
“You mean the Others,” Bran said querulously.
“The Others,” Old Nan agreed.
White walkers is not the same as Others?
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No, they're the same. Others is just the standard name for them in the books (in the Seven Kingdoms), while Wildlings call them White Walkers.
The TV series, it's just White Walkers to avoid confusion.
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Do you guys think Mereen is going to be replaced by Yunkai in the show? Or will Dany still march on Mereen?
Because in the book, Dany never took Yunkai, while it appears as though she has in the show.
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On June 10 2013 09:46 GhostLink wrote:
Do you guys think Mereen is going to be replaced by Yunkai in the show? Or will Dany still march on Mereen?
Because in the book, Dany never took Yunkai, while it appears as though she has in the show.
She defeats Yunkai and takes control of the city in the books as well, she just relinquishes it on the condition that the city releases all slaves. After that she goes to Mereen. I think they can still do something similar in the show.
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On June 10 2013 09:57 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:46 GhostLink wrote:
Do you guys think Mereen is going to be replaced by Yunkai in the show? Or will Dany still march on Mereen?
Because in the book, Dany never took Yunkai, while it appears as though she has in the show. She defeats Yunkai and takes control of the city in the books as well, she just relinquishes it on the condition that the city releases all slaves. After that she goes to Mereen. I think they can still do something similar in the show.
After which the Yunkaii promptly retook control and sent an army to hump her in Meereen. wakakaka
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On June 10 2013 10:18 SamsungStar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 09:57 SKC wrote:On June 10 2013 09:46 GhostLink wrote:
Do you guys think Mereen is going to be replaced by Yunkai in the show? Or will Dany still march on Mereen?
Because in the book, Dany never took Yunkai, while it appears as though she has in the show. She defeats Yunkai and takes control of the city in the books as well, she just relinquishes it on the condition that the city releases all slaves. After that she goes to Mereen. I think they can still do something similar in the show. After which the Yunkaii promptly retook control and sent an army to hump her in Meereen. wakakaka
Well, yes, which is also a big part of her storyline in the later books. it's another reason why it would be awkward to replace Mereen with Yunkai. They could just say it's from another slave city, but it kinda kills the spirit of her failures to the cities she conquered on her way to Mereen.
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Guess my predictions were wrong.
There was no Lady Stoneheart this episode. Oh well, Stannis goes North.
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That didn't go exactly as I imagined. Decent episode, but it kinda missed some of the more interesting cliffhangers it could've had, Lady Stoneheart & Coldhands come to mind. Overall good but not excellent imo.
Varys/Shae was a bit weird and the ending was very weak, crowdsurfing also was overdoing it for my taste.
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