[TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion - Page 338

On May 22 2013 12:46 Irrelevant Label wrote:
The first men never had Valyrian steel aside from perhaps one reference to one guy using a dragonsteel sword. It seems the reasonable bet that "dragonsteel" is Valyrian steel, though the long night allegedly predated Valyria and their dragon husbandry. This might also have been Lightbringer, or something else entirely.

The First Men still had bronze when the Andals arrived (much later than the long night). Aside from the one reference to a "dragonsteel" sword during the long night the first Valyrian steel arrived in Westeros only 500 years ago, and more stopped arriving about 400 years ago. It appears to all be traceable to trade with the newly arrived Targaryens in the pre-doom years.

The Long Night was won with obsidian provided by the CotF for the most part. That and whatever Lightbringer and Azor Ahai were.

On May 23 2013 20:40 KwarK wrote:
They have a load of dragon bones like the skulls of the great dragons kept under the red keep. I believe they've been treated as regular bones. Unless "because magic" becomes involved I think there's no reason to assume Valyrian steel is anything other than Damascus steel, just a lost craft.

Let me begin by saying how much I've enjoyed reading your "Song of Ice and Fire" series. I was first drawn to them by a comparison to the Wars of the Roses, having always been a Yorkist (even having a fondness for Hunchback Richard!).

Me too. Shakespeare's Richard is a great character, even if he doesn't have much to do with the real historical Richard.

A brief question about Valyrian steel - is it the metal that makes the sword so special (provenance, age, etc), or is it the forging (spells, techniques)

Forging techniques and spells, actually. There is magic involved in the making of Valyrian steel.

In other words, if a smith knew how, could he take some fresh, high-quality steel and produce an equally fine sword?

Not unless he could work the magic.

Or is it something like Aragorn's Anduril in the Lord of the Rings, which could be re-forged but not made from scratch, or so it seemed to me.

That's pretty much been the situation since the Doom of Valyria.

On May 23 2013 22:37 -Archangel- wrote:

I think selling is the word you are looking for.

On May 23 2013 22:34 Monsen wrote:
Well, the hounds is returning Arya to her family at the moment, right...?

On May 23 2013 22:48 akatama wrote:

At least it means he will return her unharmed. I think it is the second best thing that could happen to her.

On May 24 2013 03:03 Meow-Meow wrote:




Next episode will be a rude surprise for so many people. <3

On May 24 2013 02:53 KwarK wrote:
Okay, valyrian steel keeps its properties when reforged because magic.

On May 24 2013 03:07 andrewlt wrote:
I can't wait to read message boards on June 3. Should be fun.

On May 24 2013 04:22 LoLAdriankat wrote:

I wish we were allowed to tell the the folks in the other thread that "It gets better" after episode 9. Those poor souls won't know what hit them.

On May 24 2013 05:11 Irrelevant Label wrote:


It doesn't get better though. That is one of the great things about it.

Well, I guess people can cheer when Joff dies and that might count as a little blip of "better".

On May 24 2013 05:11 Irrelevant Label wrote:


It doesn't get better though. That is one of the great things about it.

Well, I guess people can cheer when Joff dies and that might count as a little blip of "better".

On May 24 2013 05:44 ZasZ. wrote:


Sure it does. Joffrey dies, Tyrion escapes execution by the skin of his teeth and kills his father in the same stroke. People will mourn the death of one of the more compelling characters in the series, but there is no mistaking how much that hurts the Lannister cause in the long run, and it sets us down the road where Cersei gets publicly humiliated and shown for the type of person she really is.

Things are bleak, at best, for the Lannisters at the end of the last book, especially with Kevan dying, as he was the last competent Lannister in the capital. Meanwhile Sansa is safe, learning the game from one of the best players (at least in the books he is), Arya is a badass assassin, and Bran is becoming a greenseer. One could argue that Jon is in a rough position, but general consensus seems to be that he can't stay dead and will play a larger role than any of them in the long run.

So at least from the viewpoint that a lot of viewers have, which is that the Starks are the protagonists and Lannisters the antagonists, things do get better after the Red Wedding. It's black and white to look at the families that way, and both have their likable and unlikable characters, but most of the people I talk to feel that way at least in part.

On May 24 2013 07:14 unkkz wrote:


Yeah it´s easy to forget how crappy the Lannisters situation actually is simply because they are currently in power. The biggest problem though is that all starks are in hiding/has no army since they are pressumed dead and winterfell is in the hands of the boltons.

I'm pretty sure though that Cersei will manage to run whatever is left of the Lannister dynasty straight into the ground unless Jaime somehow steps in. And now that i think about it, any showdown involving say the Lannisters and for example Danny will be very anticlimatic because there are no real powerhouses left in Westeros - it´s pretty much the others that she can fight a truly even battle with.

On May 24 2013 05:28 Tewks44 wrote:


Do you think that'll happen in episode 10 or sometimes in season 4? Just curious. I'm thinking they may be cruel and make us wait for another season.

On May 24 2013 05:44 ZasZ. wrote:

One could argue that Jon is in a rough position