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On May 20 2013 22:30 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:27 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 20 2013 22:09 SnoWhiTe wrote:On May 20 2013 21:54 Conti wrote:On May 20 2013 21:49 SnoWhiTe wrote:Something actually bother is that we saw Asha Greyjoy in some of the trailers for the season 3 and yet we saw no signs of the Pyke yet... it's certain that we wont see Victarion and Euron this season but they could have introduce the incoming death of Balon  I'm slightly surprised they even kept Balon in the list of kings-to-die, to be honest. Balon has been entirely irrelevant this entire season, and I'm hoping they're not going to show his death on screen. It would be way too much of a giveaway that Melisandre's magic actually works, and that Robb and Joffrey are going to die, too. Haven't been theories that Balon's death was due to Euro hiring a faceless man ? Yeah, that's a popular theory. Ummmm, he was walking the bridges of pyke, when a wind storm picked him up and threw him off the bridge...... No? Did I miss something?
No, you didn't miss anything.
It's just that it is quite suspicious that a healthy man with sailing experience would be blown off a bridge that he has known for his whole life. Add to that the fact, that his rich brother who hated him came back from exile to claim succession just per chance right after he dies. Now, it's probably just coincidence that he returned from the city which has a famous assassins guild that specializes in having their murders look like an accident.
That's were the theory comes from 
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On May 20 2013 22:59 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:30 Arkless wrote:On May 20 2013 22:27 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 20 2013 22:09 SnoWhiTe wrote:On May 20 2013 21:54 Conti wrote:On May 20 2013 21:49 SnoWhiTe wrote:Something actually bother is that we saw Asha Greyjoy in some of the trailers for the season 3 and yet we saw no signs of the Pyke yet... it's certain that we wont see Victarion and Euron this season but they could have introduce the incoming death of Balon I'm slightly surprised they even kept Balon in the list of kings-to-die, to be honest. Balon has been entirely irrelevant this entire season, and I'm hoping they're not going to show his death on screen. It would be way too much of a giveaway that Melisandre's magic actually works, and that Robb and Joffrey are going to die, too. Haven't been theories that Balon's death was due to Euro hiring a faceless man ? Yeah, that's a popular theory. Ummmm, he was walking the bridges of pyke, when a wind storm picked him up and threw him off the bridge...... No? Did I miss something? No, you didn't miss anything. It's just that it is quite suspicious that a healthy man with sailing experience would be blown off a bridge that he has known for his whole life. Add to that the fact, that his rich brother who hated him came back from exile to claim succession just per chance right after he dies. Now, it's probably just coincidence that he returned from the city which has a famous assassins guild that specializes in having their murders look like an accident. That's were the theory comes from
Ahhh gotcha, I musta just read him falling and left it at that. Unconsciously not reading any further into it.
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the fact that Euron was banished from the Iron Island by Balon and told that he would be killed upon return, yet he re-appears merely three days after Balons death makes the circumstances a tad suspicious.
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The theory's best evidence is the dream that the ghost of High Heart tells Arya, "I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings."
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On May 20 2013 22:24 Redox wrote:
So it seems like Shae is cool with Tyrion again. And it clearly looks like she is not the same person as in the books. At this point I cant imagine her betraying Tyrion, which means there would be a big deviation from the books.
Maybe Tywin will discover and kill Shae (also because Tyrion is supposed to bed Sansa and not a whore), which will then be the reason for Tyrion killing Tywin. The book reason would probably not be convincing to TV watchers anyway because they have never seen his first wife etc. I can imagine Tyrion will confront Tywin over Shae, and then also find out about his first wife not being a whore, and then kill Tywin.
I've never been a fan of TV Shae. She just really seems like the possesive jealous girlfriend type, who is a bitch most of the time, and doesn't really fit a seductive whore. Ros would have fit the book role better. I hope they keep the original story line for Shae, but I admit that it will be harder to pull off now. That being said it's the writers fault for changing the story making it harder to believe. Some people don't even believe that Shae is still being paid to be Tyrion's whore, while she obviously is in the book.
Someone said that in the last episode Tyrion tried to give her enough gold that in his own words would allow her to buy a ship and sail away from Kings Landing if she wanted. They said she turned it down because their relationship is no longer a business transaction and to except the gold would reduce their relationship back to a business relationship. Did I miss that line some how? I recall Shae asking Tyrion to come with her across the sea, but I don't recall Tyrion offering to give her a huge sum of gold to leave which would have stuck out to me as very against character.
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On May 20 2013 23:05 Arkless wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:59 ACrow wrote:On May 20 2013 22:30 Arkless wrote:On May 20 2013 22:27 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 20 2013 22:09 SnoWhiTe wrote:On May 20 2013 21:54 Conti wrote:On May 20 2013 21:49 SnoWhiTe wrote:Something actually bother is that we saw Asha Greyjoy in some of the trailers for the season 3 and yet we saw no signs of the Pyke yet... it's certain that we wont see Victarion and Euron this season but they could have introduce the incoming death of Balon I'm slightly surprised they even kept Balon in the list of kings-to-die, to be honest. Balon has been entirely irrelevant this entire season, and I'm hoping they're not going to show his death on screen. It would be way too much of a giveaway that Melisandre's magic actually works, and that Robb and Joffrey are going to die, too. Haven't been theories that Balon's death was due to Euro hiring a faceless man ? Yeah, that's a popular theory. Ummmm, he was walking the bridges of pyke, when a wind storm picked him up and threw him off the bridge...... No? Did I miss something? No, you didn't miss anything. It's just that it is quite suspicious that a healthy man with sailing experience would be blown off a bridge that he has known for his whole life. Add to that the fact, that his rich brother who hated him came back from exile to claim succession just per chance right after he dies. Now, it's probably just coincidence that he returned from the city which has a famous assassins guild that specializes in having their murders look like an accident. That's were the theory comes from Ahhh gotcha, I musta just read him falling and left it at that. Unconsciously not reading any further into it.
Also, when Arya is with the BwB and they meet the dwarf women on the hill they're told a prophecy about "a man without a face, waiting on a swaying bridge, on his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from its wings" which sounds like a faceless man with the Crow being Euron.
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On May 20 2013 23:23 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:24 Redox wrote:
So it seems like Shae is cool with Tyrion again. And it clearly looks like she is not the same person as in the books. At this point I cant imagine her betraying Tyrion, which means there would be a big deviation from the books.
Maybe Tywin will discover and kill Shae (also because Tyrion is supposed to bed Sansa and not a whore), which will then be the reason for Tyrion killing Tywin. The book reason would probably not be convincing to TV watchers anyway because they have never seen his first wife etc. I can imagine Tyrion will confront Tywin over Shae, and then also find out about his first wife not being a whore, and then kill Tywin. I've never been a fan of TV Shae. She just really seems like the possesive jealous girlfriend type, how is a bitch most of the time, and doesn't really fit a seductive whore. Ros would have fit the book role better. I hope they keep the original story line for Shae, but I admit that it will be harder to pull off now. That being said it's the writers fault for changing the story making it harder to believe.
They only make it hard to believe if they let it end like in the books now. If they do it like I assume they will its actually more believable than in the books imo.
To me Shae's treason as well as Tyrion killing his father in the books seemed somewhat random. In the TV pulling off this series of events would be even more difficult to make believable, as we dont get a look into the thoughts of the characters.
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On May 20 2013 22:59 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:30 Arkless wrote:On May 20 2013 22:27 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 20 2013 22:09 SnoWhiTe wrote:On May 20 2013 21:54 Conti wrote:On May 20 2013 21:49 SnoWhiTe wrote:Something actually bother is that we saw Asha Greyjoy in some of the trailers for the season 3 and yet we saw no signs of the Pyke yet... it's certain that we wont see Victarion and Euron this season but they could have introduce the incoming death of Balon I'm slightly surprised they even kept Balon in the list of kings-to-die, to be honest. Balon has been entirely irrelevant this entire season, and I'm hoping they're not going to show his death on screen. It would be way too much of a giveaway that Melisandre's magic actually works, and that Robb and Joffrey are going to die, too. Haven't been theories that Balon's death was due to Euro hiring a faceless man ? Yeah, that's a popular theory. Ummmm, he was walking the bridges of pyke, when a wind storm picked him up and threw him off the bridge...... No? Did I miss something? No, you didn't miss anything. It's just that it is quite suspicious that a healthy man with sailing experience would be blown off a bridge that he has known for his whole life. Add to that the fact, that his rich brother who hated him came back from exile to claim succession just per chance right after he dies. Now, it's probably just coincidence that he returned from the city which has a famous assassins guild that specializes in having their murders look like an accident. That's were the theory comes from
And not to mention he had a dragon egg, the most valuable things in the world after a real dragon, and he just happened to throw it away. And we know what the cost of the Faceless Men are
Yeah Euron, you can fool Big V but not us.
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On May 20 2013 23:33 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:23 karazax wrote:On May 20 2013 22:24 Redox wrote:
So it seems like Shae is cool with Tyrion again. And it clearly looks like she is not the same person as in the books. At this point I cant imagine her betraying Tyrion, which means there would be a big deviation from the books.
Maybe Tywin will discover and kill Shae (also because Tyrion is supposed to bed Sansa and not a whore), which will then be the reason for Tyrion killing Tywin. The book reason would probably not be convincing to TV watchers anyway because they have never seen his first wife etc. I can imagine Tyrion will confront Tywin over Shae, and then also find out about his first wife not being a whore, and then kill Tywin. I've never been a fan of TV Shae. She just really seems like the possesive jealous girlfriend type, how is a bitch most of the time, and doesn't really fit a seductive whore. Ros would have fit the book role better. I hope they keep the original story line for Shae, but I admit that it will be harder to pull off now. That being said it's the writers fault for changing the story making it harder to believe. They only make it hard to believe if they let it end like in the books now. If they do it like I assume they will its actually more believable than in the books imo. To me Shae's treason as well as Tyrion killing his father in the books seemed somewhat random. In the TV pulling off this series of events would be even more difficult to make believable, as we dont get a look into the thoughts of the characters.
Thank you! Finally, someone who agrees with me on that point.
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On May 20 2013 23:33 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:23 karazax wrote:On May 20 2013 22:24 Redox wrote:
So it seems like Shae is cool with Tyrion again. And it clearly looks like she is not the same person as in the books. At this point I cant imagine her betraying Tyrion, which means there would be a big deviation from the books.
Maybe Tywin will discover and kill Shae (also because Tyrion is supposed to bed Sansa and not a whore), which will then be the reason for Tyrion killing Tywin. The book reason would probably not be convincing to TV watchers anyway because they have never seen his first wife etc. I can imagine Tyrion will confront Tywin over Shae, and then also find out about his first wife not being a whore, and then kill Tywin. I've never been a fan of TV Shae. She just really seems like the possesive jealous girlfriend type, how is a bitch most of the time, and doesn't really fit a seductive whore. Ros would have fit the book role better. I hope they keep the original story line for Shae, but I admit that it will be harder to pull off now. That being said it's the writers fault for changing the story making it harder to believe. They only make it hard to believe if they let it end like in the books now. If they do it like I assume they will its actually more believable than in the books imo. To me Shae's treason as well as Tyrion killing his father in the books seemed somewhat random. In the TV pulling off this series of events would be even more difficult to make believable, as we dont get a look into the thoughts of the characters.
It didn't seem random at all to me, she was a whore, so why settle for the disfigured son who is living off his father's money when you can have the father himself. Clearly she never loved Tyrion and it was all a show for the money, and clearly Tywin was a hypocrit who gave Tyrion all this crap about seeing whores and he was sleeping with Tyrion's whore and then basicly dared him to kill him with a loaded crossbow pointed at him. Tyrion also literrally found out minutes before this from Jamie that his former wife wasn't actually wasn't a whore, and Tywin made Jamie lie about it. So Tywin had Tyrion's innocent wife raped by his entire house guard, and then made Tyrion go last, which would have been reason enough to kill Tywin if he wasn't sleeping with Shae on top off all that and provoking him. Trying to convey that on the show wouldn't have been that difficult.
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On May 20 2013 23:23 karazax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:24 Redox wrote:
So it seems like Shae is cool with Tyrion again. And it clearly looks like she is not the same person as in the books. At this point I cant imagine her betraying Tyrion, which means there would be a big deviation from the books.
Maybe Tywin will discover and kill Shae (also because Tyrion is supposed to bed Sansa and not a whore), which will then be the reason for Tyrion killing Tywin. The book reason would probably not be convincing to TV watchers anyway because they have never seen his first wife etc. I can imagine Tyrion will confront Tywin over Shae, and then also find out about his first wife not being a whore, and then kill Tywin. I've never been a fan of TV Shae. She just really seems like the possesive jealous girlfriend type, how is a bitch most of the time, and doesn't really fit a seductive whore. Ros would have fit the book role better. I hope they keep the original story line for Shae, but I admit that it will be harder to pull off now. That being said it's the writers fault for changing the story making it harder to believe. Some people don't even believe that Shae is still being paid to be Tyrion's whore, while she obviously is in the book. Someone said that in the last episode Tyrion tried to give her enough gold that in his own words would allow her to buy a ship and sail away from Kings Landing if she wanted. They said she turned it down because their relationship is no longer a business transaction and to except the gold would reduce their relationship back to a business relationship. Did I miss that line some how? I recall Shae asking Tyrion to come with her across the sea, but I don't recall Tyrion offering to give her a huge sum of gold to leave which would have stuck out to me as very against character.
Yeah, this has been one of my biggest problems with the past two seasons. So far they've recovered well enough from what deviations they've introduced but I don't see how they're still going to go along with Shae's betrayal from the books at this rate while also making it believable. Which is a shame, as I feel that moment is not only shocking, but it really captures the vulnerability of Tyrion's character in his desperate need for affection. I really liked how you feel what Tyrion feels in that he should have seen it sooner, but he and we as readers wanted to believe otherwise.
TV Shae is getting a little too much camera time than I'd like to see and her motives just don't seem to be consistent enough with the book to make it seem like she was just playing Tyrion for a fool the entire time. :/
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On May 20 2013 22:53 sc2holar wrote:
imagine the look on the unsullieds faces once they learn that "boy", the twisted psycho who they thought was just some nameless torturer, is going to be the heir to the entire north and lord of winterfell. wont that be a day to remember...
Wait, what? The unsullied have nothing to do with Ramsay.....
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unsullied is the nickname many reviewers give to non-reader viewers
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On May 20 2013 23:58 karazax wrote:
unsullied is the nickname many reviewers give to non-reader viewers
lol since when?
That's kind of messed up...
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On May 21 2013 00:20 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 23:58 karazax wrote:
unsullied is the nickname many reviewers give to non-reader viewers lol since when? That's kind of messed up...
winteriscoming.net and a few other places use it as a term for unspoiled viewers
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Sam was kind of fucked over with the show changes. Not only is he more stupid and awkward, but now that no one saw him kill the Walker, he won't have the reputation as Slayer. Without it, I doubt he'll be able to do as much convincing to get Jon Snow as Lord Commander.
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Dario Naharis too handsome... isnt he suposed to look like a clown with a gold tooth? no swag T_T
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On May 21 2013 00:37 Topin wrote:
Dario Naharis too handsome... isnt he suposed to look like a clown with a gold tooth? no swag T_T
Not at all.
Dario is supposed to be the dashing rogue-type that you know is bad for you and you stay away from. He's dirty, untrustworthy and generally not a nice fellow. But he has that type of swag that makes Danerys want to sleep with him. It is a constant struggle for her to stay away from temptation because she knows it's a bad deal and she really can't do it... but then there's that itch that is begging to be scratched...
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On May 20 2013 16:07 armada[sb] wrote:
How do you guys think that they will reveal Jorah's treachery? Do you think Barristan is lying about not having been on the small council during the Robert Baratheon's reign?
I don't know if it's a full lie or not, but he was definitely on the council at some points in book 1.
He was the only one who supported Ned in not wanting to have Daenerys assassinated while Robert and everyone else wanted it.
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Wow the shit with the Other was really underwhelming. The more they show the Others in the show, the less their threat looks like it even matters. Ice cavemen, scary.
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