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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and FireClick Here for the spoiler-free thread. |
On June 20 2011 15:16 Xinder wrote:
I saw no hint in the books that Pycelle was more than a crippled old man. That scene in the last episode where he gets up and stretches then struts to the door all normal only to bend into old man form before opening the door was trippy to me. Someone clue me in if i missed the hints that he was actually more than just a dirty old crippled man in the book. I did miss the clues on renly and loras so that part of the tv show took me for a shocker too. So i'm saying it's possible i could have missed it.
well, Tyrion finds him with a servant in book 2, so him being with Ros isn't that out of character. It's breaking my suspension of disbelief when she's EVERYWHERE all the time though. But maybe they're depicting him as more virile now to contrast his physical decay after being released from the black cells.
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On June 20 2011 08:36 SiguR wrote:I knew Brienne was supposed to "die" at the end of the fourth book before I read it, so you'd think i'd gobble it up, but I couldnt help but feel with certainty that Brienne is not dead after I had finished reading it. Edit: So I just read that the actress that plays Cersei hasn't read the books and doesn't plan to do so. I know a lot of people out there dislike her acting and that may add fuel to the fire. I personally don't hate her acting too much yet, though I would certainly agree it hasn't been the best on the show by quite a bit and I am a little worried about it. Perhaps it's just relative though. It's certainly a travesty, in my mind, that someone cast for a character that makes it until at least book 6 (assuming book 5 is along the same timeline as book 4) has no plans of ever reading the source material for her role. Its a few questions down: http://www.imaginemeandyouthemovie.com/publicity/qalena_june2011.html
I wont pretend to be an expert critic but the actress who plays Cersei seems good to me. She is beautiful but you can tell shes a bitch and I think thats really all we need from her until the later books when things get more complicated. I have not seen her in anything else so maybe thats helping my suspension of disbelief.
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On June 20 2011 15:50 ZoneofEnders wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 08:36 SiguR wrote:I knew Brienne was supposed to "die" at the end of the fourth book before I read it, so you'd think i'd gobble it up, but I couldnt help but feel with certainty that Brienne is not dead after I had finished reading it. Edit: So I just read that the actress that plays Cersei hasn't read the books and doesn't plan to do so. I know a lot of people out there dislike her acting and that may add fuel to the fire. I personally don't hate her acting too much yet, though I would certainly agree it hasn't been the best on the show by quite a bit and I am a little worried about it. Perhaps it's just relative though. It's certainly a travesty, in my mind, that someone cast for a character that makes it until at least book 6 (assuming book 5 is along the same timeline as book 4) has no plans of ever reading the source material for her role. Its a few questions down: http://www.imaginemeandyouthemovie.com/publicity/qalena_june2011.html I wont pretend to be an expert critic but the actress who plays Cersei seems good to me. She is beautiful but you can tell shes a bitch and I think thats really all we need from her until the later books when things get more complicated. I have not seen her in anything else so maybe thats helping my suspension of disbelief.
I agree. Lena Headey may not be the best on the show, but I'd say she is doing a fine job portraying Cersei.
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On June 20 2011 15:16 Xinder wrote:
I saw no hint in the books that Pycelle was more than a crippled old man. That scene in the last episode where he gets up and stretches then struts to the door all normal only to bend into old man form before opening the door was trippy to me. Someone clue me in if i missed the hints that he was actually more than just a dirty old crippled man in the book. I did miss the clues on renly and loras so that part of the tv show took me for a shocker too. So i'm saying it's possible i could have missed it.
I think they are just trying to show that Pycelle is also another contender in the game of thrones, along with Littlefinger and Varys. In book 2 its revealed he's been serving House Lannister since Rhaegar Targaryen died. He convinced Aerys to open the gates for Tywin's army which then betrayed and sacked Kings Landing. He also allowed Jon Arryn to die from the poison, although he didn't poison him, to keep the truth about Cersei/Jamie safe.
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On June 20 2011 16:38 Strut wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 15:16 Xinder wrote:
I saw no hint in the books that Pycelle was more than a crippled old man. That scene in the last episode where he gets up and stretches then struts to the door all normal only to bend into old man form before opening the door was trippy to me. Someone clue me in if i missed the hints that he was actually more than just a dirty old crippled man in the book. I did miss the clues on renly and loras so that part of the tv show took me for a shocker too. So i'm saying it's possible i could have missed it. I think they are just trying to show that Pycelle is also another contender in the game of thrones, along with Littlefinger and Varys. In book 2 its revealed he's been serving House Lannister since Rhaegar Targaryen died. He convinced Aerys to open the gates for Tywin's army which then betrayed and sacked Kings Landing. He also allowed Jon Arryn to die from the poison, although he didn't poison him, to keep the truth about Cersei/Jamie safe.
lol he's not a contender, he's just a pawn of the Lannisters.
But yeah it's to show that he does have less-than-pure intentions and motives.
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Spoiler beyond book 4 ( not kidding  )
+ Show Spoiler +Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna children, he is the last dragon And Daenerys nephew
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On June 20 2011 15:38 visual77 wrote:
I have two very related questions...
First, I kept hearing that a character dies in season 1 that did not die in book 1. Any idea who that is? Was that completely untrue? I've read the entire series, and every death in season 1 was one that seemed either familiar or irrelevant.
Second, Zelniq mentioned a few pages back that something would happen that would surprise even the readers of the books. What was that? I don't remember any significant deviations from the book in this last episode.
Other forums are saying it's Marillion who's tongue was ripped out in tonights episode. If its true, they didn't kill him off, but have effectively written him out of the story.
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On June 20 2011 16:50 Erectum wrote:Spoiler beyond book 4 ( not kidding ) + Show Spoiler +Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna children, he is the last dragon And Daenerys nephew
god I hate this stupid Rhaegar Lyanna conspiracy bullshit. You have no clue whose kid he is so dont make up some random stuff just because you want it to be that way. Unless GRRM explicitely tells us otherwise Jon is the bastard son of Eddard Stark. End of story.
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On June 20 2011 17:35 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 16:50 Erectum wrote:Spoiler beyond book 4 ( not kidding ) + Show Spoiler +Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna children, he is the last dragon And Daenerys nephew god I hate this stupid Rhaegar Lyanna conspiracy bullshit. You have no clue whose kid he is so dont make up some random stuff just because you want it to be that way. Unless GRRM explicitely tells us otherwise Jon is the bastard son of Eddard Stark. End of story.
Next they will be telling us Syrio Forel did not die in King's Landing and is infact still alive!
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On June 20 2011 17:35 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 16:50 Erectum wrote:Spoiler beyond book 4 ( not kidding ) + Show Spoiler +Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna children, he is the last dragon And Daenerys nephew god I hate this stupid Rhaegar Lyanna conspiracy bullshit. You have no clue whose kid he is so dont make up some random stuff just because you want it to be that way. Unless GRRM explicitely tells us otherwise Jon is the bastard son of Eddard Stark. End of story.
Actually the arguments in favor of that "conspiracy bullshit" are actually pretty good, but it's still ambiguous, so there's no reason for either of you to get so preachy about it. Wait and see what happens -- I totally didn't pick up on it when I read the books, but the possibility of it being true is really intriguing imo.
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On June 20 2011 15:38 visual77 wrote:
I have two very related questions...
First, I kept hearing that a character dies in season 1 that did not die in book 1. Any idea who that is? Was that completely untrue? I've read the entire series, and every death in season 1 was one that seemed either familiar or irrelevant.
Second, Zelniq mentioned a few pages back that something would happen that would surprise even the readers of the books. What was that? I don't remember any significant deviations from the book in this last episode.
to answer both of your questions: one of the producers mentioned in an interview that the before the season ended, a character that dies in the 3rd book will die in S1. well I guess he was speaking about Marillion the singer, I believe he dies in book 3, and don't really remember his significance so whatever
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On June 20 2011 17:40 dormer wrote:
I totally didn't pick up on it when I read the books, but the possibility of it being true is really intriguing imo.
see that's my point. I bet this buisness with Jon is only the result of overzealous fans who had 5 years time to read the books again and again and come up with their weird theories just to kill time.
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On June 20 2011 17:51 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 15:38 visual77 wrote:
I have two very related questions...
First, I kept hearing that a character dies in season 1 that did not die in book 1. Any idea who that is? Was that completely untrue? I've read the entire series, and every death in season 1 was one that seemed either familiar or irrelevant.
Second, Zelniq mentioned a few pages back that something would happen that would surprise even the readers of the books. What was that? I don't remember any significant deviations from the book in this last episode. to answer both of your questions: one of the producers mentioned in an interview that the before the season ended, a character that dies in the 3rd book will die in S1. well I guess he was speaking about Marillion the singer, I believe he dies in book 3, and don't really remember his significance so whatever
It was Martin himself that said it actually, in this interview: http://collider.com/george-r-r-martin-interview-game-of-thrones/86337/
but there is one character who dies in the first season of the television show, who does not die in the books until the third or fourth one, and who dies differently than the way they had him dying.
Marillion dies in book 4, Littlefinger pins Lysa Aryns death on him and I think they lock him up in a sky cell until he commits suicide
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well if marillion is dead it will be quite interessting who will try to rape sansa and which poor guy gets blamed by littlefinger for killing "his" lady 
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Really excited to see who they get to play Davos in season 2, he is my favorite character in the series by far, as he seems to be one of the few sympathetic characters that manages to live. It's only fitting though, as an old smuggler he will has to be harder to kill than a cockroach. I just wish someone would get rid of Stannis so he could come over and help someone i don't despise so much.
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On June 20 2011 17:51 Zelniq wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 15:38 visual77 wrote:
I have two very related questions...
First, I kept hearing that a character dies in season 1 that did not die in book 1. Any idea who that is? Was that completely untrue? I've read the entire series, and every death in season 1 was one that seemed either familiar or irrelevant.
Second, Zelniq mentioned a few pages back that something would happen that would surprise even the readers of the books. What was that? I don't remember any significant deviations from the book in this last episode. to answer both of your questions: one of the producers mentioned in an interview that the before the season ended, a character that dies in the 3rd book will die in S1. well I guess he was speaking about Marillion the singer, I believe he dies in book 3, and don't really remember his significance so whatever
He's the one that confessed to killing Lysa after being tortured.. so they basically have to rewrite that stuff quite significantly later on. I don't really understand why they felt he had to go this early...
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On June 20 2011 17:40 dormer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 17:35 Skilledblob wrote:On June 20 2011 16:50 Erectum wrote:Spoiler beyond book 4 ( not kidding ) + Show Spoiler +Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna children, he is the last dragon And Daenerys nephew god I hate this stupid Rhaegar Lyanna conspiracy bullshit. You have no clue whose kid he is so dont make up some random stuff just because you want it to be that way. Unless GRRM explicitely tells us otherwise Jon is the bastard son of Eddard Stark. End of story. Actually the arguments in favor of that "conspiracy bullshit" are actually pretty good, but it's still ambiguous, so there's no reason for either of you to get so preachy about it. Wait and see what happens -- I totally didn't pick up on it when I read the books, but the possibility of it being true is really intriguing imo.
I don't want specilly this to happen ...
But as doomer said the arguments are pretty goods and we clearly know that Jon/Dnaerys will play a big part until the end of the story
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On June 20 2011 21:14 Erectum wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 17:40 dormer wrote:On June 20 2011 17:35 Skilledblob wrote:On June 20 2011 16:50 Erectum wrote:Spoiler beyond book 4 ( not kidding ) + Show Spoiler +Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna children, he is the last dragon And Daenerys nephew god I hate this stupid Rhaegar Lyanna conspiracy bullshit. You have no clue whose kid he is so dont make up some random stuff just because you want it to be that way. Unless GRRM explicitely tells us otherwise Jon is the bastard son of Eddard Stark. End of story. Actually the arguments in favor of that "conspiracy bullshit" are actually pretty good, but it's still ambiguous, so there's no reason for either of you to get so preachy about it. Wait and see what happens -- I totally didn't pick up on it when I read the books, but the possibility of it being true is really intriguing imo. I don't want specilly this to happen ... But as doomer said the arguments are pretty goods and we clearly know that Jon/Dnaerys will play a big part until the end of the story
You don't "clearly know" anything about how the story is going to go. This isn't stereotypical predictable fantasy where the central characters always pull though. GRRM could kill off both Dany and Jon in the next book and it wouldn't be out of place at all in this series. I really don't get why people predict this series to follow fantasy cliches moving forward when it has hardly conformed to them at all up to this point.
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When did marillion die? Was he so inconsequential in the TV show that i missed him? You aren't talking about the singer that they take his tongue out in the final episode are you?
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On June 20 2011 23:31 mucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 21:14 Erectum wrote:On June 20 2011 17:40 dormer wrote:On June 20 2011 17:35 Skilledblob wrote:On June 20 2011 16:50 Erectum wrote:Spoiler beyond book 4 ( not kidding ) + Show Spoiler +Jon is Rhaegar and Lyanna children, he is the last dragon And Daenerys nephew god I hate this stupid Rhaegar Lyanna conspiracy bullshit. You have no clue whose kid he is so dont make up some random stuff just because you want it to be that way. Unless GRRM explicitely tells us otherwise Jon is the bastard son of Eddard Stark. End of story. Actually the arguments in favor of that "conspiracy bullshit" are actually pretty good, but it's still ambiguous, so there's no reason for either of you to get so preachy about it. Wait and see what happens -- I totally didn't pick up on it when I read the books, but the possibility of it being true is really intriguing imo. I don't want specilly this to happen ... But as doomer said the arguments are pretty goods and we clearly know that Jon/Dnaerys will play a big part until the end of the story You don't "clearly know" anything about how the story is going to go. This isn't stereotypical predictable fantasy where the central characters always pull though. GRRM could kill off both Dany and Jon in the next book and it wouldn't be out of place at all in this series. I really don't get why people predict this series to follow fantasy cliches moving forward when it has hardly conformed to them at all up to this point.
clearly it would be nice to see Grrm ( as usual) change the obvious path for the story, but this time it seems to big .(the end will be a battle dragon/others ( i hope i am wrong ) )
Marillion died in book 4 in the eyrie
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