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On August 24 2019 14:45 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:43 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:39 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:38 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal You're not understanding my point. Those 80 FPS SEA players would respond the same way if the game dropped to 20 FPS. The game isn't running at 80 FPS in the situation they're talking about. It's hitching wildly, which is actually the game itself "hanging" and snapping back. This isn't a quality of life issue. It's a loss of competitive ability to play issue. Ah if you mean by it is fluctating then i totally understand. I thought you meant it is impossible to play on the top levels without high fps as the game basically still runs and you can still do shit in none-120 fps. High FPS does matter for ultra-high competitive play, but they should be using sold systems that should be around 200 FPS at all times. If that drops to "80 FPS" in a game like Dota, it means the game engine is hanging. Stable FPS > High FPS by a lot. We also don't know if they have adaptive sync monitors, which would make it worse because they stuttering makes the mouse feel like it isn't working since the mouse cursor is hitching around. If this was quake or CSGO or some fighting game like smash i would agree with you but dota is more about making good decision than reaction tbh. Cause people like ppd would've never been able to compete. Seriously.
imagine if we play with ball mouse instead of optical one or play with typewriter keyboard instead of mechanical one
decision making is number one, but when you are incomfortable, you will ruin your performance
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On August 24 2019 14:45 IshinShishi wrote:
its not like OG can ever blame ana, he has hard carried their sorry asses this far Considering how dominant they have been this TI, it is a strange conclusion. Ana has played incredibly well as well, and they will of course not point fingers.
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On August 24 2019 14:46 lolfail9001 wrote:
The issue is not if OG will blame Ana. It's if Ana will blame Ana. I would not want Ana to tilt now of all times.
Oh yeah this is the bigger problem. I mean Ana would not likely do that anymore (based on last year he is such a different player than he was when initially picked up by OG)
but yeah that's the big issue. Lets see if OG can pick up Ana's spirit if he understood he fucked up that game
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On August 24 2019 14:48 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:46 lolfail9001 wrote:
The issue is not if OG will blame Ana. It's if Ana will blame Ana. I would not want Ana to tilt now of all times. Oh yeah this is the bigger problem. I mean Ana would not likely do that anymore (based on last year he is such a different player than he was when initially picked up by OG) but yeah that's the big issue. Lets see if OG can pick up Ana's spirit if he understood he fucked up that game
Ana literally used the "I'm sorry" chat wheel when LGD were hitting throne.
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On August 24 2019 14:48 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI? TI specialist, the new demon
1000000x more succesful though
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On August 24 2019 14:48 Snakesneaks wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:45 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:43 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:39 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:38 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal You're not understanding my point. Those 80 FPS SEA players would respond the same way if the game dropped to 20 FPS. The game isn't running at 80 FPS in the situation they're talking about. It's hitching wildly, which is actually the game itself "hanging" and snapping back. This isn't a quality of life issue. It's a loss of competitive ability to play issue. Ah if you mean by it is fluctating then i totally understand. I thought you meant it is impossible to play on the top levels without high fps as the game basically still runs and you can still do shit in none-120 fps. High FPS does matter for ultra-high competitive play, but they should be using sold systems that should be around 200 FPS at all times. If that drops to "80 FPS" in a game like Dota, it means the game engine is hanging. Stable FPS > High FPS by a lot. We also don't know if they have adaptive sync monitors, which would make it worse because they stuttering makes the mouse feel like it isn't working since the mouse cursor is hitching around. If this was quake or CSGO or some fighting game like smash i would agree with you but dota is more about making good decision than reaction tbh. Cause people like ppd would've never been able to compete. Seriously. imagine if we play with ball mouse instead of optical one or play with typewriter keyboard instead of mechanical one decision making is number one, but when you are incomfortable, you will ruin your performance
Yeah i mean i agree with that completely. I thought me and taf was arguing a different thing but when it comes to comfortable setup then i completely agree.
Kinda like how some csgo players play the keyboard sideways and comfortable that way but if they switched to normal positioning it will hamper their performance.
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On August 24 2019 14:47 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:44 Dracolich70 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:39 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:38 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal You're not understanding my point. Those 80 FPS SEA players would respond the same way if the game dropped to 20 FPS. The game isn't running at 80 FPS in the situation they're talking about. It's hitching wildly, which is actually the game itself "hanging" and snapping back. This isn't a quality of life issue. It's a loss of competitive ability to play issue. Ah if you mean by it is fluctating then i totally understand. I thought you meant it is impossible to play on the top levels without high fps as the game basically still runs and you can still do shit in none-120 fps. His point is two-fold. Not only that it fluctuates, but also that you are playing at a certain FPS and it drops significantly. This holds true whether you are used to 140 fps, or 40, it simply screws up your flow. Yeah i mean if you are used to playing 30 fps or 120 fps and it isn't that then you would feel uncomfortable and not be on your best condition. It is ok to complain about it and ask for the optimal settings. Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:44 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 24 2019 14:40 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:38 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal I feel like if they're actually noticing their frame drops outside of looking at the FPS window, I would argue it's disruptive enough to effect someone's gameplay. If it is really disrupting the players comfortability then it is ok. I mean i was just saying that it isn't impossible to play high level of dotes without 120 fps. yeah i misunderstood the argument. i was just agreeing with the guy that if the frames are fluctuating even if the frames never dip down to uncomfortable levels (below 60 as an example), the actual gameplay experience is hampered imo. Fluctating FPS totally ruins the gameplay actually so yeah.
I'm used to helping people solve gaming bottlenecks, so I recognized the problem instantly. It wasn't the 75% FPS drop that's the issue. It's that the game engine is hanging or stalling which causes all of the problems. The game actually isn't responsive during those periods between frames.
As for this next match, OG can definitely turn this, but losing a match like that is brutal.
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On August 24 2019 14:47 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI? If they win TI, he might come back in 4th or 5th major of the season.
Depends on valve's new roster rules. If it remains as garbage as this season, he can even skip playing all majors. Tier 1 teams will be willing to sac their carry for him at the last min lol
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On August 24 2019 14:49 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:48 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:46 lolfail9001 wrote:
The issue is not if OG will blame Ana. It's if Ana will blame Ana. I would not want Ana to tilt now of all times. Oh yeah this is the bigger problem. I mean Ana would not likely do that anymore (based on last year he is such a different player than he was when initially picked up by OG) but yeah that's the big issue. Lets see if OG can pick up Ana's spirit if he understood he fucked up that game Ana literally used the "I'm sorry" chat wheel when LGD were hitting throne.
And OG probably going "oh don't worry we are just gonna fuck them next game .. what is a little setback lol"
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On August 24 2019 14:50 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI? If they win TI, he might come back in 4th or 5th major of the season. Depends on valve's new roster rules. If it remains as garbage as this season, he can even skip playing all majors. Tier 1 teams will be willing to sac their carry for him at the last min lol
Pfft, even if they change them, as long as OQ exist, Ana can just skip entire season and OG can just clown around with stand-ins.
EDIT: Apparently the reason for fps drops was Furion immortal, apparently that was the real game ruining pick lmao.
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Give us a game 3 please og
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On August 24 2019 14:51 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:50 babysimba wrote:On August 24 2019 14:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI? If they win TI, he might come back in 4th or 5th major of the season. Depends on valve's new roster rules. If it remains as garbage as this season, he can even skip playing all majors. Tier 1 teams will be willing to sac their carry for him at the last min lol Pfft, even if they change them, as long as OQ exist, Ana can just skip entire season and OG can just clown around with stand-ins.
Inbefore Ana's going to play with his 3k party q friends again, enjoy married life and hyperbolic chamber from there then do well again next year TI
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The FPS problem is not only about comfort zone ... it even impacts your Input-Lag because Games only check for Input at the start of a Frame so if u play on 60 FPS u have 16.6ms between 2 Frames while u only have 4ms on 244FPS or 8.8ms on 120FPS so in the worst case u have around 16ms Input lag + your Ping ( my ping is around 20ms) and Brainlag (a very trained player on a good day can have ~100ms reaction time - idk where i read about that but i`m pretty sure because i have ~180 on humanbenchmark.com and i feel slow as fuck xD ).
The castpoint on earth spike is 0.3sec same for Time Walk. So if both players have the same reaction time and same ping and one plays on 120 or 244 FPS and one on 60 FPS the one with lower FPS is just fucked. He CANT dodge the earthspike in that case because the input lag is way higher.
Same if u try to avoid a Blink-Hex with a fast BKB. If u on the low-fps side u hardly can dodge it...
Just do the math behind this. FPS is way more then just a smooth gameplay
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Someone said furion immortal sank their fps.
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On August 24 2019 14:51 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:50 babysimba wrote:On August 24 2019 14:47 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI? If they win TI, he might come back in 4th or 5th major of the season. Depends on valve's new roster rules. If it remains as garbage as this season, he can even skip playing all majors. Tier 1 teams will be willing to sac their carry for him at the last min lol Pfft, even if they change them, as long as OQ exist, Ana can just skip entire season and OG can just clown around with stand-ins. EDIT: Apparently the reason for fps drops was Furion immortal, apparently that was the real game ruining pick lmao.
I don't even think tier 1 teams would want to bother wasting their time or risking themselves through OQ's.
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On August 24 2019 14:54 Gamble28 wrote:
The FPS problem is not only about comfort zone ... it even impacts your Input-Lag because Games only check for Input at the start of a Frame so if u play on 60 FPS u have 16.6ms between 2 Frames while u only have 4ms on 244FPS or 8.8ms on 120FPS so in the worst case u have around 16ms Input lag + your Ping ( my ping is around 20ms) and Brainlag (a very trained player on a good day can have ~100ms reaction time - idk where i read about that but i`m pretty sure because i have ~180 on humanbenchmark.com and i feel slow as fuck xD ).
The castpoint on earth spike is 0.3sec same for Time Walk. So if both players have the same reaction time and same ping and one plays on 120 or 244 FPS and one on 60 FPS the one with lower FPS is just fucked. He CANT dodge the earthspike in that case because the input lag is way higher.
Same if u try to avoid a Blink-Hex with a fast BKB. If u on the low-fps side u hardly can dodge it...
Just do the math behind this. FPS is way more then just a smooth gameplay
Tick rate in Dota 2 is about 1/30 IIRC.
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On August 24 2019 14:54 Elurie wrote:
Someone said furion immortal sank their fps.
Pay to lose.
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LGD is giving topson his tiny
i don't think i have seen a game of topson playing Tiny not owning so much. It is actually his best hero this TI.
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spectre ban excites the crowd ?
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On August 24 2019 14:56 Snakesneaks wrote:
spectre ban excites the crowd ?
PTSD from last year OG performance against the same LGD
they don't wanna play the memory game
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