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On August 24 2019 14:39 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:38 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal You're not understanding my point. Those 80 FPS SEA players would respond the same way if the game dropped to 20 FPS. The game isn't running at 80 FPS in the situation they're talking about. It's hitching wildly, which is actually the game itself "hanging" and snapping back. This isn't a quality of life issue. It's a loss of competitive ability to play issue. Ah if you mean by it is fluctating then i totally understand. I thought you meant it is impossible to play on the top levels without high fps as the game basically still runs and you can still do shit in none-120 fps.
High FPS does matter for ultra-high competitive play, but they should be using sold systems that should be around 200 FPS at all times. If that drops to "80 FPS" in a game like Dota, it means the game engine is hanging. Stable FPS > High FPS by a lot.
We also don't know if they have adaptive sync monitors, which would make it worse because they stuttering makes the mouse feel like it isn't working since the mouse cursor is hitching around.
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On August 24 2019 14:42 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:41 Slomo wrote:
TBH I think aeon disk oracle would have won the game either way. Late game furion is the top 10 scariest hero in the game because he can actually use silver edge-nullifier-bloodthorn-hex combo properly.
Zeus also goes insane when the bkb's drop. Void is also still the strongest lategame carry with double chrono
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OG wasn't better in initiation until furion farm sheep/nullfiier/bloodthorn. All pressure on void, which was probably why Ana went tank items for better frontlining.
ET was just a melee creep if OG didn't get the jump on LGD.
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On August 24 2019 14:40 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:38 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal I feel like if they're actually noticing their frame drops outside of looking at the FPS window, I would argue it's disruptive enough to effect someone's gameplay. If it is really disrupting the players comfortability then it is ok. I mean i was just saying that it isn't impossible to play high level of dotes without 120 fps.
yeah i misunderstood the argument. i was just agreeing with the guy that if the frames are fluctuating even if the frames never dip down to uncomfortable levels (below 60 as an example), the actual gameplay experience is hampered imo.
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On August 24 2019 14:39 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:38 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal You're not understanding my point. Those 80 FPS SEA players would respond the same way if the game dropped to 20 FPS. The game isn't running at 80 FPS in the situation they're talking about. It's hitching wildly, which is actually the game itself "hanging" and snapping back. This isn't a quality of life issue. It's a loss of competitive ability to play issue. Ah if you mean by it is fluctating then i totally understand. I thought you meant it is impossible to play on the top levels without high fps as the game basically still runs and you can still do shit in none-120 fps. His point is two-fold. Not only that it fluctuates, but also that you are playing at a certain FPS and it drops significantly. This holds true whether you are used to 140 fps, or 40, it simply screws up your flow.
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On August 24 2019 14:44 babysimba wrote:
OG wasn't better in initiation until furion farm sheep/nullfiier/bloodthorn. All pressure on void, which was probably why Ana went tank items for better frontlining.
ET was just a melee creep if OG didn't get the jump on LGD.
This is why i dislike position 5 ET btw, he is generally a melee creep if a team does not have initiative.
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On August 24 2019 14:43 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:39 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:38 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal You're not understanding my point. Those 80 FPS SEA players would respond the same way if the game dropped to 20 FPS. The game isn't running at 80 FPS in the situation they're talking about. It's hitching wildly, which is actually the game itself "hanging" and snapping back. This isn't a quality of life issue. It's a loss of competitive ability to play issue. Ah if you mean by it is fluctating then i totally understand. I thought you meant it is impossible to play on the top levels without high fps as the game basically still runs and you can still do shit in none-120 fps. High FPS does matter for ultra-high competitive play, but they should be using sold systems that should be around 200 FPS at all times. If that drops to "80 FPS" in a game like Dota, it means the game engine is hanging. Stable FPS > High FPS by a lot. We also don't know if they have adaptive sync monitors, which would make it worse because they stuttering makes the mouse feel like it isn't working since the mouse cursor is hitching around.
If this was quake or CSGO or some fighting game like smash i would agree with you but dota is more about making good decision than reaction tbh.
Cause people like ppd would've never been able to compete. Seriously.
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On August 24 2019 14:44 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:42 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:41 Slomo wrote:
TBH I think aeon disk oracle would have won the game either way. Late game furion is the top 10 scariest hero in the game because he can actually use silver edge-nullifier-bloodthorn-hex combo properly. Zeus also goes insane when the bkb's drop. Void is also still the strongest lategame carry with double chrono
LGD needed that kill on Ana when they got it. They weren't going to have another good window for a while. Which is also why they were going to be diving T4s the instant they got that kill.
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its not like OG can ever blame ana, he has hard carried their sorry asses this far
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The issue is not if OG will blame Ana. It's if Ana will blame Ana. I would not want Ana to tilt now of all times.
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konadora
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ana had no business to be there tbh, the team knew LGD were in the vicinity
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this discussion is pointless because OG was fine. they had the map control, they had taken a t3 opening up shrines, good late-game lineup..
but your carry cant die farming 5 creeps around the mid t2 enemy area with 2min cd on his buyback.
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So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI?
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On August 24 2019 14:46 Sif_ wrote:
this discussion is pointless because OG was fine. they had the map control, they had taken a t3 opening up shrines, good late-game lineup..
but your carry cant die farming 5 creeps around the mid t2 enemy area with 2min cd on his buyback.
Ana pulled an RTZ.
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On August 24 2019 14:44 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:39 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:38 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal You're not understanding my point. Those 80 FPS SEA players would respond the same way if the game dropped to 20 FPS. The game isn't running at 80 FPS in the situation they're talking about. It's hitching wildly, which is actually the game itself "hanging" and snapping back. This isn't a quality of life issue. It's a loss of competitive ability to play issue. Ah if you mean by it is fluctating then i totally understand. I thought you meant it is impossible to play on the top levels without high fps as the game basically still runs and you can still do shit in none-120 fps. His point is two-fold. Not only that it fluctuates, but also that you are playing at a certain FPS and it drops significantly. This holds true whether you are used to 140 fps, or 40, it simply screws up your flow.
Yeah i mean if you are used to playing 30 fps or 120 fps and it isn't that then you would feel uncomfortable and not be on your best condition. It is ok to complain about it and ask for the optimal settings.
On August 24 2019 14:44 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:40 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:38 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 24 2019 14:35 goody153 wrote:Ok Ana getting caught just gave LGd the opportunity they need to actually win this game On August 24 2019 14:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 24 2019 14:28 goody153 wrote:On August 24 2019 14:26 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 24 2019 14:25 babysimba wrote:
Is 80 fps really that low -_- I've heard it really interferes with your eyes and game sense if the FPS fluctuates too much from what you're adjusted to. I guess it ruins your comfortability. That is fine to fix if it really does I don't think it is really that of a big deal like gaming mouses (some TNC players uses a cheap 2 dollar mouse at TI/majors) or one of the Infamous players winning qualifiers in a cheap internet cafe(which most likely is just enough to run dota considering how internet cafes are for that kind of countries) If a game drops to 80 FPS, like Dota 2, it's not like a high-end game that runs at that speed. It means there is massive stuttering. While it might still be 80 FPS, you get induced motion sickness and, crucially, extremely slow response to inputs because of game engine hangs.It's really bad for it to happen here. This is really hard to believe. Alot of SEA/SA players play in these settings even some pros. (that diziness doesn't even happen to me and i play 30 fps all my life lol) I am sticking to my opinion this is a comfortablity issue rather than actual hindrance which is really fine btw. Just that i don't think it makes gameplay impossible just not optimal I feel like if they're actually noticing their frame drops outside of looking at the FPS window, I would argue it's disruptive enough to effect someone's gameplay. If it is really disrupting the players comfortability then it is ok. I mean i was just saying that it isn't impossible to play high level of dotes without 120 fps. yeah i misunderstood the argument. i was just agreeing with the guy that if the frames are fluctuating even if the frames never dip down to uncomfortable levels (below 60 as an example), the actual gameplay experience is hampered imo.
Fluctating FPS totally ruins the gameplay actually so yeah.
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Singapore66201 Posts
On August 24 2019 14:46 Sif_ wrote:
this discussion is pointless because OG was fine. they had the map control, they had taken a t3 opening up shrines, good late-game lineup..
but your carry cant die farming 5 creeps around the mid t2 enemy area with 2min cd on his buyback.
absolutely correct
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On August 24 2019 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI?
If they win TI, he might come back in 4th or 5th major of the season.
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On August 24 2019 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI?
I don't expect to see OG until at least February, maybe March. Frankly, a lot of teams might do that.
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konadora
Singapore66201 Posts
On August 24 2019 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI?
TI specialist, the new demon
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On August 24 2019 14:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2019 14:47 Kuroeeah wrote:
So you guys think regardless of OG's result, Ana is going to take another hiatus until TI? I don't expect to see OG until at least February, maybe March. Frankly, a lot of teams might do that.
Yeah, performance of DPC giants this TI kind of made it clear that you only need to show up in last 2 majors, get TI invite and then prepare for TI proper. Alternatively you can just play slightly below your average level entire season like LGD.
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