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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
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Looking forward to this tournament, So many teams have so much to prove, and Secret seems relentless as well as composed. Should be some great dotes!
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EG & Secret should roll, but Fnatic vs RNG is a mystery and it's new look TL vs Gambit. Let's see how this goes.
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The thing about T2 teams is the invariable "we don't have any cores that can carry this game unless we snowball" drafts. Somehow the Minor drafts look better than most of these Game 1s.
I also like Secret's approach of using Bristle against a weaker team. NiP showed it's not great against the better teams, but it really does stomp all over when there's a big skill gap.
Only 1 ban of Wisp. Is a good sign.
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First game of Liquid with w33ha looked good. One, two questionable gank attempts but they hit their timings perfectly and snowballed the game.
Pain is giving Secret a good fight. 47 min with only 1k lead for Secret although having claimed two full lanes of rax.
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PaiN caused real pain. haha
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TL missed their early rotations, but they had a much more stable draft (Weaver is just not viable in the against a top-tier burst DPS like TA).
2nd official game and out comes the w33ha Invoker, lol.
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why is there tier2-3 casters with laggy mics and shit casting the group stage......
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Lifestealer into Bane wasn't really a brilliant idea.
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That was sloppy in nearly every teamfight from Liquid. The fissure blocks from gh during the last fights were more helpful for Gambit than for Liquid.
Fng played it perfectly on Bane. He roasted Liquid already at Birmingham with this hero. Don't know why they give him same again.
Game 3...let's see if they pull out now a desperate move with w33ha on Meepo.
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Well, it's a better carry matchup, but the Axe is questionable, even for MC.
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I know it's only series, but TL looks the same as before the Matu -> w33ha switch. Just with different Mids.
Edit: TL & Gambit are in EG's group, and they're already practicing their Cliffing Skills. r/Dota2 approved practice.
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RNG with the "upset", though Fnatic losing isn't too surprising. I didn't see Game 2, but the charts point to a really weird ending, which might cost Fnatic dearly this LAN.
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On June 22 2019 23:34 LennX wrote:
fnatic pls....
Fnatic about to tilt themselves out in 4th place in the group?
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Io/Gyro is just not enough damage as a hard carry.
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I am confused now. Who was the problem?
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On June 22 2019 23:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:Fnatic about to tilt themselves out in 4th place in the group?
Looks like it
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On June 23 2019 00:00 LennX wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2019 23:48 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 22 2019 23:34 LennX wrote:
fnatic pls.... Fnatic about to tilt themselves out in 4th place in the group? Looks like it
NiP tried to make it work at the Minor. Gyro is a great early BKB mid with a magic damage approach, but Gyro doesn't do enough as a right-click carry. NiP used BKB-first to win team fights at 20 minutes and roll over. ( https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4843389725 ) Also had the first recorded pro Gyro buying a Rod of Atos. And it ruled in that game.
That's where Gyro is in the current meta.
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Io is weak because the Pos 4 meta is so dynamic that the passive support play kills your timings.
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I'm not a fan of last picking a hero that you picked the past three games. Not much of a surprise there...
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Well, this Secret vs RNG game 2 has gotten nutty.
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Does Octarine make Ember's spirits fly extra fast?
Edit: Midone has Aghs buff, which explains my confusion.
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RNG could have won this game by now if they didn't keep over-pursuing every time they get an advantage in a fight.
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TL won the double BKB fight and snowballed a win. At least they're still doing those strategies okay.
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Liquid bounced back in game 2. Let's see if Io is getting banned in game 3.
Much more cohesion during the fights compared to game one.
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
EG looked so freaking bad that game, draft was so bad, bunch of squishy heroes outside of Naix and they lost the laning stage and then continued to make their bad decisions. They lost that game rather than Liquid won imo.
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TL apparently only have practiced a few heroes for w33ha?
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Interesting Tiny pick from EG, hope it works because that hero needs a good start. At least Sumail is on a scaling core again.
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On June 23 2019 01:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
TL apparently only have practiced a few heroes for w33ha?
A few might be exaggerated :D
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
that firstblood was some meme
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On June 23 2019 01:19 Pandemona wrote:
Interesting Tiny pick from EG, hope it works because that hero needs a good start. At least Sumail is on a scaling core again.
Alliance has shown pos 4 Tiny is extremely strong against position-dependent heroes in the mid game. Isn't normally a game winner, but it's quite potent if played well. Though I imagine the Tiny is really there to get on the Oracle.
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Feels like TL has mashed up an OG draft with a NiP strategy.
Edit: And Magnus is probably the better Wisp in the current patch.
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Well if EG don't have this mid game and Sumail gets some farm i don't see them winning this xD
Why pick a WK over Sven/Naix?
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On June 23 2019 01:38 Pandemona wrote:
Well if EG don't have this mid game and Sumail gets some farm i don't see them winning this xD
I can't say I've seen MC play Doom like 33 does. It's a good approach against EG's normal dual greedy core approach.
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21min fountain diving with all T2s up.
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
EG no idea what to do after game 1, this is very much old EG style. Win a game convincingly to lose the next 2 like you didn't ever have a chance lol. What on earth have they done.
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i love w33 styling over sumail, so fun
edit: over anyone on EG
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And Twitch chat was saying how much of a downgrade w33 was compared to Matumbaman
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On June 23 2019 01:42 Pandemona wrote:
EG no idea what to do after game 1, this is very much old EG style. Win a game convincingly to lose the next 2 like you didn't ever have a chance lol. What on earth have they done.
TL came in with 3 different strategic concepts for EG. Plus, banning Sven is a good idea.
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Spectator please 
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On June 23 2019 01:46 plasmidghost wrote:
And Twitch chat was saying how much of a downgrade w33 was compared to Matumbaman
Well, someone might ban the Windranger.
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On June 23 2019 01:38 Pandemona wrote:
Well if EG don't have this mid game and Sumail gets some farm i don't see them winning this xD
Why pick a WK over Sven/Naix?
Sven was first phase banned and Naix in the second phase, no chance for them to pick them as they started with Dark Seer and Storm.
Wow...that fight near dire shrine.
This looks over for EG, nearly all buybacks suspended. EG must be tilted so hard, they are completely outmanoeuvred and played.
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On June 23 2019 01:46 plasmidghost wrote:
And Twitch chat was saying how much of a downgrade w33 was compared to Matumbaman
can you really blame them?
considering how much of a slump was w33 for so long, who he still had it into, still just 2 series, can't take anything away from just 2 series
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Wow, whoever made that call to TP to the shrine and kill Sumail has 300 IQ
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I don't think anyone is used to playing against Windranger and just how much damage she can do. Slacks must be having 'Nam flashbacks right now.
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With the way the Meta went at the Minor, the current Meta timing is really tight. Those fights around 20 minutes with the first BKB are setting up snowball wins. This actually favors TL's approach, so this should be interesting to see how it all goes.
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On June 23 2019 01:52 Taf the Ghost wrote:
I don't think anyone is used to playing against Windranger and just how much damage she can do. Slacks must be having 'Nam flashbacks right now.
Yeah I feel like this is the case atm. It's a really underutilized pick and teams will likely adapt/ban in the future
I felt like the core matchups for EG were so bad this game
Regardless Liquid are still looking pretty solid!
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On June 23 2019 01:49 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2019 01:46 plasmidghost wrote:
And Twitch chat was saying how much of a downgrade w33 was compared to Matumbaman can you really blame them? considering how much of a slump was w33 for so long, who he still had it into, still just 2 series, can't take anything away from just 2 series
Yeah, that is true, plus many pros said how bad WR was this patch, so it makes sense that they weren't prepared for it
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
I'm also not sure why Aghs is popular on WR, it seems underwhelming
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Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
EG back to drawing board and need to come with some better ideas. The clock worked so well game 1 they refused it game 2 and choose S4 on bat to partner with grim not the Doom that was still in the pool. Oh well, lets get the bad performances out of the way before TI? XD
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
I mean, they still will probably coast past Gambit, so whatever.
That said, it opens the most frustrating scenario for Gambit to not qualify for TI.
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btw guys, SA needs more slots, 1-8 isn't too bad is it
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
ROFL that centaur courier kill
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Wow, EG seems to have totally fallen apart
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call gg, what a black hole
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Does the game also slows for the players when TB uses reflection ?
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yes, thta hasnt been fixed as far as i remember
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On June 23 2019 03:11 MrCon wrote:
Does the game also slows for the players when TB uses reflection ?
You mean spikes? To some players yeah, it's the same problem as with MK's ult, not sure what's causing it and how they haven't fixed it already.
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I've thought gambit is respectable, but if EG falls to them here it bodes terribly for their TI run
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On June 23 2019 03:11 MrCon wrote:
Does the game also slows for the players when TB uses reflection ?
There's a setting you can turn on that stops most of the lag and I assume most players know to use it (It sets the network rate to 20000 iirc, the default is 8000). It definitely stops the MK lag, not sure on TB though.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
gambit are manhandling EG :O
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and then they give it all away again :S
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On June 23 2019 04:01 ShiaoPi wrote:
and then they give it all away again :S
Standard Gambit gambit on the season.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
On June 23 2019 04:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:Standard Gambit gambit on the season.
Frustratingly true enough, I really want them to do well
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On June 23 2019 04:05 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2019 04:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 23 2019 04:01 ShiaoPi wrote:
and then they give it all away again :S Standard Gambit gambit on the season. Frustratingly true enough, I really want them to do well
One bad fight or either side and this is probably over. Gambit has issues keeping their lanes pushed out when they have this draft is another issue they have.
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gambit slamming EG after bad plays, game could be over any moment
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On June 23 2019 04:05 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2019 04:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:On June 23 2019 04:01 ShiaoPi wrote:
and then they give it all away again :S Standard Gambit gambit on the season. Frustratingly true enough, I really want them to do well
It's funny, Gambit is varying between "We can put up a fight with tier 1 teams" and "we have trouble dealing with bottom tier 2 teams". I like when they are in their element, have a fun playstyle, plus it would be good to finally have another solid CIS team beside VP.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
They really like passing the idiot ball around in this game, jeez
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it's all over but the raging
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EG 3rd place in their group. Expected I guess? :'D
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
EG and fnatic starting in Lower Bracket dayum
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what the hell is group D @_@
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Two teams that aren't in the Top 12 of DPC go through to the Upper Bracket. If Alliance or Forward come out Group C as the first seed, Ehome is mathematically out of the Top 12. Though Group C should be VP/VG coming out, and anything else would be a huge set of upsets. But, hey, it happens.
EG needs to draft for earlier timings. The Meta shifted pretty early and that's what caught them out, though that game 2 was pretty bad for most of it.
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On June 23 2019 04:22 pop18 wrote:
what the hell is group D @_@
First group in a long time where any combination of results won't be shocking. Just depends who has a good day. (ppd & NiP tend to over perform against Chinese teams, while TNC normally has ppd's number. So there's also some Rock-Paper-Scissors going on.)
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It's like Sumail has made zero progression in the past 4 years.
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Fnatic doesn't seem to be going in the right direction as TI is approaching. No series wins at MDL, barely got through the SEA quals for this major and now another bad group stage.
Would be curious to hear commentary on what is going on there, I haven't really seen many of their games in the past few events
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Singapore66161 Posts
so w33 was kinda underwhelming except for his w33ndranger, i hope he gels together with the team soon and fast
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? Well, aside the WR there was a good performance on TA and one loss on Invoker. And there was already talk, that Invoker isn't really good this patch, so you can't put every blame on him there!
So, overall: Too early to tell!
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