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Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 19 2019 15:01 GMT
#61
On March 19 2019 23:48 spudde123 wrote:
Wouldn't be that surprising if there was a pretty big shuffle in the western scene. NiP and Forward seem a bit stuck in their position. Likely to make it to TI but unlikely to go that far. Alliance already confirmed they will be changing.

And obviously TL is there too but not sure how likely they are to change at this point.

With 2 majors left and the rankings the way they are, a top 4ish placement should guarantee TI9 for most teams.

It does seem to be the time for a pre-TI shuffle. I really don't think Liquid roster swaps. They might be anxious about poor results, but they should know that success at The International is mostly independent (within reason) from success throughout the DPC season.
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 19 2019 15:14 GMT
#62
On March 19 2019 23:57 MetalMercury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2019 23:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On March 19 2019 23:21 Achaian wrote:
Not the showing from nip I was hoping for

Who should get replaced with who?


I like 33 and he's a good player, but he's probably gotta go. They need someone that's actually good on Magnus if they need to draft that way. Saksa might also be the one to go, but whoever has been pushing for Shadow Shaman for the last few weeks is probably the person that needs to go.

I'm not joking when NiP has problems beating Tier 3 CIS teams with Shaman. They don't play it right.


I know it might sound weird, but this team is made up of players that don't really play any "damage dealing" heroes with great proficiency at the pro level. FATA's known for his razors, trolls, SFs, Vipers, all with meka and tanky builds; Ace plays primarily illusion based and building siege heroes (the occasional Meepo not withstanding), and 33 plays tanks and team fighters. They just don't have any core player that specializes in heroes that do damage, and watching PPD try to draft around that is just not working very well.

They had some moderate success with MinD_ControL because he took up the damage dealing role on that team while standing in and meshed well, but without that kind of player specialty around they are probably going to struggle. If I was them, I'd drop FATA for someone like Raven that can play heroes that output tons of damage. This would open up a ton of possibilities in their drafts in terms of hero compositions and counters and give PPD another lever to pull to make strategic adjustments while in draft.


With TB and PL mostly out of the Meta, Ace's hero pool has been a problem. (Carry in general, outside of LS, has been a problem for most teams recently, anyway.) 33 plays some heroes with good damage, but they're out of the Meta as well.

I can see why NiP would favor the Shaman, especially as in most scrims it probably is extremely effective, but NiP has ended up extremely static in their approach for a while now. It's been frustrating to watch, frankly. They're still a TI Direct Invite squad, but they've got no chance at doing above about 5th/6th with either the roster or the way they decide to approach things.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-19 15:31:01
March 19 2019 15:14 GMT
#63
I love the Omni pick.

Let's go CHAOS !

Edit : Chaos plays this game REALLY well.
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
March 19 2019 15:31 GMT
#64
jesus VP is getting spanked

but this is never over with PA
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4557 Posts
March 19 2019 15:31 GMT
#65
chaos teamwiped VP wut
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Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 19 2019 15:31 GMT
#66
That was a really nice Black Hole placement. Only caught OD in it, but zoned VP away from their low HP razor
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
March 19 2019 15:34 GMT
#67
lmao noone
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 19 2019 15:36 GMT
#68
Chaos are doing it!
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32742 Posts
March 19 2019 15:37 GMT
#69
Truly the upset major.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
caiovigg
Profile Joined July 2014
Brazil1802 Posts
March 19 2019 15:37 GMT
#70
Lizzard: "looks like vp set a trap to chaos with those picks"

Chaos: "hold my Skol"
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-19 15:39:03
March 19 2019 15:38 GMT
#71
VP's lineup seems pretty hard countered by Omni. VP have no way of getting on the Omni and they truly can't kill anyone else with Omni behind
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
March 19 2019 15:43 GMT
#72
ayyy this major
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Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 19 2019 15:43 GMT
#73
Is that the first time VP has ever lost a game to a South American team? (no flame SA)
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 19 2019 16:00 GMT
#74
Max level Chen+Omni heals on one target is ~50hp/s for 10 seconds
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
caiovigg
Profile Joined July 2014
Brazil1802 Posts
March 19 2019 16:00 GMT
#75
On March 20 2019 00:43 Moobutt wrote:
Is that the first time VP has ever lost a game to a South American team? (no flame SA)


Probably yes.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
March 19 2019 16:08 GMT
#76
I don't like this Chaos draft in 2nd game at all. Meh.

Hopefully that's 1-1 and Chaos to straight up beat VP in 3rd.

Would be great for my prediction points. And shards too.
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Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-19 16:30:51
March 19 2019 16:29 GMT
#77
Morph just has to max out agi, steal flak from gyro, and end game? Seems like a pretty good combo.

edit: just like that
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
March 19 2019 16:30 GMT
#78
disaster
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4557 Posts
March 19 2019 16:30 GMT
#79
morph flaks pew pew pew
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Nyan
Profile Joined April 2015
Germany1931 Posts
March 19 2019 16:37 GMT
#80
level 20 = auto win
(wave form attacks targets + flak)

hope that is the final thing happening in this game.
?=・ェ・=) oʞǝu (^=˃ᆺ˂) oʞǝu (=xェx=) oʞǝu (=^-ω-^=) ( ⓛ ω ⓛ *) oʞǝu (ㅇㅅㅇ❀) oʞǝu (=ↀωↀ=)✧ oʞǝu (=・ェ・=?
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