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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 19 2019 13:53 GMT
#41
I do appreciate when the panel apologizes for picking the same.
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 19 2019 13:56 GMT
#42
I don't think either team has a distinct draft advantage. Maybe NiP because of the tenth pick Huskar.
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-19 14:05:14
March 19 2019 14:04 GMT
#43
Super high IQ play against Ember seeing that he used up his escape remnant for a kill
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
March 19 2019 14:07 GMT
#44
Jesus NiP
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Nyan
Profile Joined April 2015
Germany1931 Posts
March 19 2019 14:07 GMT
#45
lets ignore their heroes and run??
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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
March 19 2019 14:09 GMT
#46
Oh, in the end of the fight, suddenly a stone from crit came ppds way! Nice angle!
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Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 19 2019 14:14 GMT
#47
I really want to see NiP succeed, but god damn are their individual and team plays just nonexistent.
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 19 2019 14:14 GMT
#48
NiP is going to have rosters changes. They were a misclick from Ace from being in the Upper Bracket in first in their group.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 19 2019 14:19 GMT
#49
See my point about Shadow Shaman. For Fata losing his lane when he shouldn't and not playing around the Enigma while EG went with 4 heroes with catch, Saksa is basically useless when he's on Shaman.
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
March 19 2019 14:21 GMT
#50
Not the showing from nip I was hoping for

Who should get replaced with who?
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 19 2019 14:23 GMT
#51
On March 19 2019 23:21 Achaian wrote:
Not the showing from nip I was hoping for

Who should get replaced with who?


I like 33 and he's a good player, but he's probably gotta go. They need someone that's actually good on Magnus if they need to draft that way. Saksa might also be the one to go, but whoever has been pushing for Shadow Shaman for the last few weeks is probably the person that needs to go.

I'm not joking when NiP has problems beating Tier 3 CIS teams with Shaman. They don't play it right.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 19 2019 14:24 GMT
#52
Congrats to EG on TI9 lockin. Sumail also had himself a game.
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
March 19 2019 14:25 GMT
#53
On March 19 2019 23:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
NiP is going to have rosters changes. They were a misclick from Ace from being in the Upper Bracket in first in their group.

Fata and Ace both seem ineffective.
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
dragonswarrior
Profile Joined August 2015
389 Posts
March 19 2019 14:26 GMT
#54
Sad to see NiP go out so early, glad at least that EG was the one to do it.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
March 19 2019 14:28 GMT
#55
On March 19 2019 23:25 Moobutt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2019 23:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
NiP is going to have rosters changes. They were a misclick from Ace from being in the Upper Bracket in first in their group.

Fata and Ace both seem ineffective.

I think Ace is still "good enough". I think Fata is the biggest problem the team has. Not saying Fata is bad but I think there are better options out there.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
March 19 2019 14:32 GMT
#56
On March 19 2019 23:25 Moobutt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2019 23:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
NiP is going to have rosters changes. They were a misclick from Ace from being in the Upper Bracket in first in their group.

Fata and Ace both seem ineffective.


Fata is world-class on Razor, but he got bodied by Sumail on a matchup he should have an advantage on. Ace has a small hero pool he's really good on, but basically all of them are niche picks in this patch. Last year Puppey leaned on Yapzor to carry a lot of games and it's kind of showing why.

Not sure what the roster swap will look like, but I'd be really surprised if it's the same for the next Qualifiers. At the same time, NiP does nothing and they're still more than likely going to TI with a direct invite.
Damned627
Profile Joined November 2016
Indonesia264 Posts
March 19 2019 14:34 GMT
#57
Why didnt they put Huskar on Fata and Ace on Ember, when historically Ace is good on Huskar and Fata is great on Ember. But the way the team play is so bad, 33 just couldn't do anything when the team is behind.
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
March 19 2019 14:48 GMT
#58
Wouldn't be that surprising if there was a pretty big shuffle in the western scene. NiP and Forward seem a bit stuck in their position. Likely to make it to TI but unlikely to go that far. Alliance already confirmed they will be changing.

And obviously TL is there too but not sure how likely they are to change at this point.
MetalMercury
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1161 Posts
March 19 2019 14:57 GMT
#59
On March 19 2019 23:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2019 23:21 Achaian wrote:
Not the showing from nip I was hoping for

Who should get replaced with who?


I like 33 and he's a good player, but he's probably gotta go. They need someone that's actually good on Magnus if they need to draft that way. Saksa might also be the one to go, but whoever has been pushing for Shadow Shaman for the last few weeks is probably the person that needs to go.

I'm not joking when NiP has problems beating Tier 3 CIS teams with Shaman. They don't play it right.


I know it might sound weird, but this team is made up of players that don't really play any "damage dealing" heroes with great proficiency at the pro level. FATA's known for his razors, trolls, SFs, Vipers, all with meka and tanky builds; Ace plays primarily illusion based and building siege heroes (the occasional Meepo not withstanding), and 33 plays tanks and team fighters. They just don't have any core player that specializes in heroes that do damage, and watching PPD try to draft around that is just not working very well.

They had some moderate success with MinD_ControL because he took up the damage dealing role on that team while standing in and meshed well, but without that kind of player specialty around they are probably going to struggle. If I was them, I'd drop FATA for someone like Raven that can play heroes that output tons of damage. This would open up a ton of possibilities in their drafts in terms of hero compositions and counters and give PPD another lever to pull to make strategic adjustments while in draft.
MetalMercury
Profile Joined January 2015
United States1161 Posts
March 19 2019 14:59 GMT
#60
On March 19 2019 23:48 spudde123 wrote:
Wouldn't be that surprising if there was a pretty big shuffle in the western scene. NiP and Forward seem a bit stuck in their position. Likely to make it to TI but unlikely to go that far. Alliance already confirmed they will be changing.

And obviously TL is there too but not sure how likely they are to change at this point.


I do think that a change along the lines of a trade of Mind_ControL to NIP for 33 might be decent for both parties based on what they seem to lack in their current drafting tool kit, but I think a lot of Liquid fans might not be ready for a move like that which takes a player that is probably more skilled and swaps him for another which offers Liquid greater flexibility in play styles. Hard to say.
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