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Poll: Evil Geniuses vs Ninjas In PyjamasEvil Geniuses Win (14) 56% Ninjas In Pyjamas Win (11) 44% 25 total votes Your vote: Evil Geniuses vs Ninjas In Pyjamas (Vote): Evil Geniuses Win
(Vote): Ninjas In Pyjamas Win
Poll: Virtus Pro vs Chaos Esports ClubVirtus Pro Win (14) 61% Chaos Esports Club Win (9) 39% 23 total votes Your vote: Virtus Pro vs Chaos Esports Club (Vote): Virtus Pro Win
(Vote): Chaos Esports Club Win
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Just 2 series per day? If you're going to have such a lax schedule, no reason to make LB round 1 a Bo1...
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EG should win easily, but I seriously think Chaos beats VP
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EG NiP will depend on whether ppd can outsmart EG on the drafts
who tf knows what will happen on VP Chaos. kinda impossible to predict at this point
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NiP vs EG is going to come down to a lot of drafting shadowboxing. Who wants to hit what timing, and how hard they hit it. Of note, though, is that RTZ's hero pool has suddenly gotten really small. Watch for 2-3 RTZ bans in the first phase from NiP.
It's great that Chaos beat TL, but VP should stomp them. While VP isn't in the best form, don't take away credit from Fnatic. DJ, since Day 2, is probably the best player in the tournament.
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On March 19 2019 10:04 DucK- wrote:
Just 2 series per day? If you're going to have such a lax schedule, no reason to make LB round 1 a Bo1...
Then on Saturday they play....
Winners Finals
Losers Round 4 Series 1
Losers Round 4 Series 2
Losers Round 5
So go from 2 series a day into a huge pre finals day!
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We could have used a few less threads for these two game days 
Let's see how many upsets we will see today!
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On March 19 2019 20:08 Geisterkarle wrote:We could have used a few less threads for these two game days Let's see how many upsets we will see today!
I mean the max we'll see is 2 *cackles*
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Chaos is really formidable opponent though if misery could repeat his success in laning phase. Chaos might be behind in team's movement but i believe they could covered it up with weeha mid and miaery rotation.
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I'm so torn. With Liquid out, all I want a great atmosphere at the arena. On the end one hand you have NiP, the hometown team, who would bring the hype. At the same time you have S4, who's from Stockholm, that could also bring the hype. Aaaaah, who do I cheer for?
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This is a relatively fast draft.
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RTZ heroes are all banned
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On March 19 2019 21:40 Moobutt wrote:
RTZ heroes are all banned
He's had mostly a 3 hero pool for two tournaments.
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On March 19 2019 21:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:He's had mostly a 3 hero pool for two tournaments.
Yeah, it's insane that teams haven't punished that harder. Like, EG hasn't played a Sven for over a year. Who knows how much Arteezy plays Sven in pubs/scrims though. He could be way more practiced than his official match history indicates.
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On March 19 2019 21:48 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 21:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On March 19 2019 21:40 Moobutt wrote:
RTZ heroes are all banned He's had mostly a 3 hero pool for two tournaments. Yeah, it's insane that teams haven't punished that harder. Like, EG hasn't played a Sven for over a year. Who knows how much Arteezy plays Sven in pubs/scrims though. He could be way more practiced than his official match history indicates.
RTZ's skill on the hero wouldn't be the issue. It's about the team work practice with it.
However, what'll likely happen is EG will draft RTZ a hero in the first phase, which is the real power of banning him hard in game 1. Picking RTZ's hero early means pigeonholing the draft.
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EG's timings seem a lot better than NiP's.
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This game is going to get weird if it goes late.
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NiP's midgame doesn't seem all that strong after they didn't really get ahead. They have no reliable stuns for teamfights and while in theory they have a lot of damage, Brew will probably negate a lot of that. If this drags on maybe they'll have a better shot later on when they get some items but seems like EG might take a pretty commanding lead in the next 10 minutes
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NiP has to do some suicidal shit and kill that t1 mid.
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Nice disengage from EG while BKB was up ... and then hit hard!
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Well, Ace's positioning is still bad like all tournament and this might be the first game I'm honestly confused they didn't pick Razor for Fata. Granted, ppd's biggest weakness as a drafter is never having enough damage.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
They could only commit to this fight if :
1) Lycan on ult killed Fly
2) They killed Sven while he was hexed
Both scenarios didn't happen, so, I can't see them winning at this point. I mean that's possible with little of EG help but..
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It's like NiP watched Keen beat EG and didn't take a single note.
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Who the fuck is making calls on NiP to go into Rosh like that
edit: that was soooo close to being a disaster
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Rat doto only the way to compete.
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On March 19 2019 22:17 Moobutt wrote:
Who the fuck is making calls on NiP to go into Rosh like that
edit: that was soooo close to being a disaster
NiP took a push draft and itemized like they were going to play a late-game 3-core draft.
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NiP has to go away from the Shaman. They clearly can't play at the pace needed with Shaman against Tier 1 teams.
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On March 19 2019 22:20 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 22:17 Moobutt wrote:
Who the fuck is making calls on NiP to go into Rosh like that
edit: that was soooo close to being a disaster NiP took a push draft and itemized like they were going to play a late-game 3-core draft.
I think after Timber laning failed hard, they realized they had to go late even though it was sub-optimal. Maybe they could have pulled it off if they had a second rat hero.
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On March 19 2019 22:28 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 22:20 Taf the Ghost wrote:On March 19 2019 22:17 Moobutt wrote:
Who the fuck is making calls on NiP to go into Rosh like that
edit: that was soooo close to being a disaster NiP took a push draft and itemized like they were going to play a late-game 3-core draft. I think after Timber laning failed hard, they realized they had to go late even though it was sub-optimal. Maybe they could have pulled it off if they had a second rat hero.
Their cores couldn't afford to get picked off when they do that, but they shed too many deaths. Optic always had that problem last season. ppd is clearly trying to work out a 3-core lineup generally (at least this tournament), but they really haven't found the right mix since Day 1.
Other problem is NiP ended up with very little actual applicable damage. Slacks' suggestion of (edit) Prophet was probably the correct one for the last pick hero, somehow.
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I don't really see how they somehow itemized for later on.
But their only initiation was Lycan popping ult and running in. Probably would have helped to have the Ursa be their main initiator, even if blinking into EG's heroes doesn't exactly feel good. But at least you can try to kill one person with him and Lycan and give space for Timber and Shaman to throw some spells
And for a last pick of the entire draft the Timber ended up being pretty underwhelming. Something to bring some lockdown probably would have made playing easier
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Earth Spirit is really tanky, which was surprising.
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I didn't understand the timbersaw anyway... they had Viper and its break! Timber looses his biggest strenght with a simple click!
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Earth Spirit, Lifestealer first phase bans coming from NiP next game for sure. Maybe a naga ban.
edit: lul nevermind. PPD gonna PPD
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
First pick Undying.
Thanks ppd, never change.
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On March 19 2019 22:39 Geisterkarle wrote:
I didn't understand the timbersaw anyway... they had Viper and its break! Timber looses his biggest strenght with a simple click!
Viper & Witchdoctor. It was the anti-pick pretty hard, even if Timber's lane hadn't gotten destroyed. They just had to pick the Razor and they'd have been fine. I get they wanted to shut down RTZ, but that almost never happens. EG will sell out to prevent RTZ from being shut down.
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On March 19 2019 22:44 739 wrote:
First pick Undying.
Thanks ppd, never change.
Undying is fine, but Shadow Shaman they have problems beating Tier 3 CIS Teams with.
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On March 19 2019 22:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 22:39 Geisterkarle wrote:
I didn't understand the timbersaw anyway... they had Viper and its break! Timber looses his biggest strenght with a simple click! Viper & Witchdoctor. It was the anti-pick pretty hard, even if Timber's lane hadn't gotten destroyed. They just had to pick the Razor and they'd have been fine. I get they wanted to shut down RTZ, but that almost never happens. EG will sell out to prevent RTZ from being shut down.
Are there even any teams that ever shut down RTZ? It doesn't seem like there's even a road map from another team that NiP could follow.
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Well, I heard, that putting RTZ on a cliff really helps... 
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On March 19 2019 22:47 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 22:45 Taf the Ghost wrote:On March 19 2019 22:39 Geisterkarle wrote:
I didn't understand the timbersaw anyway... they had Viper and its break! Timber looses his biggest strenght with a simple click! Viper & Witchdoctor. It was the anti-pick pretty hard, even if Timber's lane hadn't gotten destroyed. They just had to pick the Razor and they'd have been fine. I get they wanted to shut down RTZ, but that almost never happens. EG will sell out to prevent RTZ from being shut down. Are there even any teams that ever shut down RTZ? It doesn't seem like there's even a road map from another team that NiP could follow.
In some patches it happens, but mostly what happens is RTZ takes all of the farm from the rest of his team.
And NiP still isn't drafting great damage. (I've had this complaint about ppd's drafting since at least TI6 era.)
Edit: Okay, they picked a Huskar. That's a lot more damage.
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I do appreciate when the panel apologizes for picking the same.
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I don't think either team has a distinct draft advantage. Maybe NiP because of the tenth pick Huskar.
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Super high IQ play against Ember seeing that he used up his escape remnant for a kill
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lets ignore their heroes and run??
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Oh, in the end of the fight, suddenly a stone from crit came ppds way! Nice angle!
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I really want to see NiP succeed, but god damn are their individual and team plays just nonexistent.
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NiP is going to have rosters changes. They were a misclick from Ace from being in the Upper Bracket in first in their group.
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See my point about Shadow Shaman. For Fata losing his lane when he shouldn't and not playing around the Enigma while EG went with 4 heroes with catch, Saksa is basically useless when he's on Shaman.
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Not the showing from nip I was hoping for
Who should get replaced with who?
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On March 19 2019 23:21 Achaian wrote:
Not the showing from nip I was hoping for
Who should get replaced with who?
I like 33 and he's a good player, but he's probably gotta go. They need someone that's actually good on Magnus if they need to draft that way. Saksa might also be the one to go, but whoever has been pushing for Shadow Shaman for the last few weeks is probably the person that needs to go.
I'm not joking when NiP has problems beating Tier 3 CIS teams with Shaman. They don't play it right.
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Congrats to EG on TI9 lockin. Sumail also had himself a game.
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On March 19 2019 23:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
NiP is going to have rosters changes. They were a misclick from Ace from being in the Upper Bracket in first in their group.
Fata and Ace both seem ineffective.
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Sad to see NiP go out so early, glad at least that EG was the one to do it.
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On March 19 2019 23:25 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 23:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
NiP is going to have rosters changes. They were a misclick from Ace from being in the Upper Bracket in first in their group. Fata and Ace both seem ineffective.
I think Ace is still "good enough". I think Fata is the biggest problem the team has. Not saying Fata is bad but I think there are better options out there.
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On March 19 2019 23:25 Moobutt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 23:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:
NiP is going to have rosters changes. They were a misclick from Ace from being in the Upper Bracket in first in their group. Fata and Ace both seem ineffective.
Fata is world-class on Razor, but he got bodied by Sumail on a matchup he should have an advantage on. Ace has a small hero pool he's really good on, but basically all of them are niche picks in this patch. Last year Puppey leaned on Yapzor to carry a lot of games and it's kind of showing why.
Not sure what the roster swap will look like, but I'd be really surprised if it's the same for the next Qualifiers. At the same time, NiP does nothing and they're still more than likely going to TI with a direct invite.
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Why didnt they put Huskar on Fata and Ace on Ember, when historically Ace is good on Huskar and Fata is great on Ember. But the way the team play is so bad, 33 just couldn't do anything when the team is behind.
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Wouldn't be that surprising if there was a pretty big shuffle in the western scene. NiP and Forward seem a bit stuck in their position. Likely to make it to TI but unlikely to go that far. Alliance already confirmed they will be changing.
And obviously TL is there too but not sure how likely they are to change at this point.
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On March 19 2019 23:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 23:21 Achaian wrote:
Not the showing from nip I was hoping for
Who should get replaced with who? I like 33 and he's a good player, but he's probably gotta go. They need someone that's actually good on Magnus if they need to draft that way. Saksa might also be the one to go, but whoever has been pushing for Shadow Shaman for the last few weeks is probably the person that needs to go. I'm not joking when NiP has problems beating Tier 3 CIS teams with Shaman. They don't play it right.
I know it might sound weird, but this team is made up of players that don't really play any "damage dealing" heroes with great proficiency at the pro level. FATA's known for his razors, trolls, SFs, Vipers, all with meka and tanky builds; Ace plays primarily illusion based and building siege heroes (the occasional Meepo not withstanding), and 33 plays tanks and team fighters. They just don't have any core player that specializes in heroes that do damage, and watching PPD try to draft around that is just not working very well.
They had some moderate success with MinD_ControL because he took up the damage dealing role on that team while standing in and meshed well, but without that kind of player specialty around they are probably going to struggle. If I was them, I'd drop FATA for someone like Raven that can play heroes that output tons of damage. This would open up a ton of possibilities in their drafts in terms of hero compositions and counters and give PPD another lever to pull to make strategic adjustments while in draft.
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On March 19 2019 23:48 spudde123 wrote:
Wouldn't be that surprising if there was a pretty big shuffle in the western scene. NiP and Forward seem a bit stuck in their position. Likely to make it to TI but unlikely to go that far. Alliance already confirmed they will be changing.
And obviously TL is there too but not sure how likely they are to change at this point.
I do think that a change along the lines of a trade of Mind_ControL to NIP for 33 might be decent for both parties based on what they seem to lack in their current drafting tool kit, but I think a lot of Liquid fans might not be ready for a move like that which takes a player that is probably more skilled and swaps him for another which offers Liquid greater flexibility in play styles. Hard to say.
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On March 19 2019 23:48 spudde123 wrote:
Wouldn't be that surprising if there was a pretty big shuffle in the western scene. NiP and Forward seem a bit stuck in their position. Likely to make it to TI but unlikely to go that far. Alliance already confirmed they will be changing.
And obviously TL is there too but not sure how likely they are to change at this point.
With 2 majors left and the rankings the way they are, a top 4ish placement should guarantee TI9 for most teams.
It does seem to be the time for a pre-TI shuffle. I really don't think Liquid roster swaps. They might be anxious about poor results, but they should know that success at The International is mostly independent (within reason) from success throughout the DPC season.
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On March 19 2019 23:57 MetalMercury wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2019 23:23 Taf the Ghost wrote:On March 19 2019 23:21 Achaian wrote:
Not the showing from nip I was hoping for
Who should get replaced with who? I like 33 and he's a good player, but he's probably gotta go. They need someone that's actually good on Magnus if they need to draft that way. Saksa might also be the one to go, but whoever has been pushing for Shadow Shaman for the last few weeks is probably the person that needs to go. I'm not joking when NiP has problems beating Tier 3 CIS teams with Shaman. They don't play it right. I know it might sound weird, but this team is made up of players that don't really play any "damage dealing" heroes with great proficiency at the pro level. FATA's known for his razors, trolls, SFs, Vipers, all with meka and tanky builds; Ace plays primarily illusion based and building siege heroes (the occasional Meepo not withstanding), and 33 plays tanks and team fighters. They just don't have any core player that specializes in heroes that do damage, and watching PPD try to draft around that is just not working very well. They had some moderate success with MinD_ControL because he took up the damage dealing role on that team while standing in and meshed well, but without that kind of player specialty around they are probably going to struggle. If I was them, I'd drop FATA for someone like Raven that can play heroes that output tons of damage. This would open up a ton of possibilities in their drafts in terms of hero compositions and counters and give PPD another lever to pull to make strategic adjustments while in draft.
With TB and PL mostly out of the Meta, Ace's hero pool has been a problem. (Carry in general, outside of LS, has been a problem for most teams recently, anyway.) 33 plays some heroes with good damage, but they're out of the Meta as well.
I can see why NiP would favor the Shaman, especially as in most scrims it probably is extremely effective, but NiP has ended up extremely static in their approach for a while now. It's been frustrating to watch, frankly. They're still a TI Direct Invite squad, but they've got no chance at doing above about 5th/6th with either the roster or the way they decide to approach things.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
I love the Omni pick.
Let's go CHAOS !
Edit : Chaos plays this game REALLY well.
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jesus VP is getting spanked
but this is never over with PA
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That was a really nice Black Hole placement. Only caught OD in it, but zoned VP away from their low HP razor
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Lizzard: "looks like vp set a trap to chaos with those picks"
Chaos: "hold my Skol"
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VP's lineup seems pretty hard countered by Omni. VP have no way of getting on the Omni and they truly can't kill anyone else with Omni behind
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Is that the first time VP has ever lost a game to a South American team? (no flame SA)
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Max level Chen+Omni heals on one target is ~50hp/s for 10 seconds
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On March 20 2019 00:43 Moobutt wrote:
Is that the first time VP has ever lost a game to a South American team? (no flame SA)
Probably yes.
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I don't like this Chaos draft in 2nd game at all. Meh.
Hopefully that's 1-1 and Chaos to straight up beat VP in 3rd.
Would be great for my prediction points. And shards too.
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Morph just has to max out agi, steal flak from gyro, and end game? Seems like a pretty good combo.
edit: just like that
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level 20 = auto win
(wave form attacks targets + flak)
hope that is the final thing happening in this game.
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Good stuff, let's go Chaos!
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
LET'S GO CHAOS, LET'S GOOOOO
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are they doing it? i wonder if they can go toe to toe with specter late game tho
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wow who is nightstalker he fucked it up by not killing solo
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Now it's looking rough, I think Spectre will carry VP to victory
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That was actually really impressive by Chaos to only lose Misery, sucks that they had to give up Rosh though
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Spectre with aegis is just too much
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EPT
DreamLeague/Season 11
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