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Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
August 22 2018 21:33 GMT
#341
Feels like Secret don't pick any good Ace heroes. Been a bad tournament for him sadly.
GO OG
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
August 22 2018 21:34 GMT
#342
On August 23 2018 06:29 Kishin2 wrote:
Dota 2 drafting 101:

How do you win lanes?

How do you take objectives?

How do you win team fights?

How do you break high ground?


Their draft was designed to end the game at 30-35 min mark, or did you miss that? Did you miss itemization on their cores? Which of those items screamed " we want to take this late game"?

not all drafts are designed for 1 purpose, perhaps you should include that in your 101 lectures :d
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-22 21:34:56
August 22 2018 21:34 GMT
#343
On August 23 2018 06:29 MrCon wrote:
It was doomed from the draft imo, that + all 3 cores built utility items and no one had damage.
It was not meant to go late. But it started to go down hill, as the first rosh was prolonged, and once they got it, it gave them nothing.
LiangHao
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 22 2018 21:35 GMT
#344
On August 23 2018 06:34 FreakyDroid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2018 06:29 Kishin2 wrote:
Dota 2 drafting 101:

How do you win lanes?

How do you take objectives?

How do you win team fights?

How do you break high ground?


Their draft was designed to end the game at 30-35 min mark, or did you miss that? Did you miss itemization on their cores? Which of those items screamed " we want to take this late game"?

not all drafts are designed for 1 purpose, perhaps you should include that in your 101 lectures :d

I agree the last 30 minutes were a long death animation, they missed their timing.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-22 21:36:12
August 22 2018 21:35 GMT
#345
It came down to chen not winning the lanes enough, and they lost their timing window to take over the map. TB and ES in the same lineup is actually pretty greedy
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 22 2018 21:36 GMT
#346
chen stayed bottom so that bottom wouldnt get run over

justice for bsj
posting on liquid sites in current year
dizzy101
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2066 Posts
August 22 2018 21:37 GMT
#347
Can RedEye not just ask a straight up question? His fumbling questions are longer than the answers...
Papercappu
Profile Joined July 2015
Canada2210 Posts
August 22 2018 21:38 GMT
#348
Most secret games ive seen they're pretty much don't want to play 2-1-2 but always forced to
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
August 22 2018 21:38 GMT
#349
On August 23 2018 06:35 babysimba wrote:
It came down to chen not winning the lanes enough, and they lost their timing window to take over the map. TB and ES in the same lineup is actually pretty greedy

They should have roamed with chen, ES would have followed him anyway as silencer can't do shit to help against a chen gank.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 22 2018 21:39 GMT
#350
On August 23 2018 06:34 FreakyDroid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2018 06:29 Kishin2 wrote:
Dota 2 drafting 101:

How do you win lanes?

How do you take objectives?

How do you win team fights?

How do you break high ground?


Their draft was designed to end the game at 30-35 min mark, or did you miss that? Did you miss itemization on their cores? Which of those items screamed " we want to take this late game"?

not all drafts are designed for 1 purpose, perhaps you should include that in your 101 lectures :d

Whuh. I didn't say anything about Secret wanting to take it late. I think they lose in every stage of the game.


Okay, so you think their draft was designed to end the game at 30-35 min. The next question is, "How do they do that?"

Do they have heroes that can break high ground?
No.

Can they win lanes and snowball?
No.

Can they take objectives like towers and rosh?
No.

Can they win teamfights to allow them to take objectives?
No.

So how do they end the game at 30-35 min..?
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 22 2018 21:40 GMT
#351
I'll forgive Puppey if he picks mid Dazzle.
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-22 21:41:48
August 22 2018 21:41 GMT
#352
On August 23 2018 06:39 Kishin2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2018 06:34 FreakyDroid wrote:
On August 23 2018 06:29 Kishin2 wrote:
Dota 2 drafting 101:

How do you win lanes?

How do you take objectives?

How do you win team fights?

How do you break high ground?


Their draft was designed to end the game at 30-35 min mark, or did you miss that? Did you miss itemization on their cores? Which of those items screamed " we want to take this late game"?

not all drafts are designed for 1 purpose, perhaps you should include that in your 101 lectures :d

Whuh. I didn't say anything about Secret wanting to take it late. I think they lose in every stage of the game.


Okay, so you think their draft was designed to end the game at 30-35 min. The next question is, "How do they do that?"

Do they have heroes that can break high ground?
No.

Can they win lanes and snowball?
No.

Can they take objectives like towers and rosh?
No.

Can they win teamfights to allow them to take objectives?
No.

So how do they end the game at 30-35 min..?


What is this shit man ? You have Chen and Veno, Venge for more dmg, Lina that hits hard and you cant take team fights, break high ground, take rosh or get objectives? Cmon dude, no more Crusader lectures pls, you're tiring me.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Shergal
Profile Joined May 2014
Argentina1191 Posts
August 22 2018 21:41 GMT
#353
I feel like Secret, rather than any concrete "draft errors" that they apparently make every single game they play, just have a sort of style of Dota that runs counter to what the overarching game has been for the past 2 years. Even with previous lineups it has been like this, they pick a mix of "sneaky" engage-reengage heroes (ES, PL, AW, Meepo etc) and shit that fills the screen with crap and they try to win the game with micro plays instead of the more typical 2/3-core teamfight lineup that follows a plan.

Gotta say it feels like they intentionally play in a way that is harder to pull off, or requires more precision to match up to what's normally the orthodoxy in any given recent patch. The last team I remember that pulled this kind of shit off was Wings, and some LFY games at TI7.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
August 22 2018 21:42 GMT
#354
Let's go secret, save my bracket, give us the first 3 game series!
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 22 2018 21:43 GMT
#355
On August 23 2018 06:41 FreakyDroid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2018 06:39 Kishin2 wrote:
On August 23 2018 06:34 FreakyDroid wrote:
On August 23 2018 06:29 Kishin2 wrote:
Dota 2 drafting 101:

How do you win lanes?

How do you take objectives?

How do you win team fights?

How do you break high ground?


Their draft was designed to end the game at 30-35 min mark, or did you miss that? Did you miss itemization on their cores? Which of those items screamed " we want to take this late game"?

not all drafts are designed for 1 purpose, perhaps you should include that in your 101 lectures :d

Whuh. I didn't say anything about Secret wanting to take it late. I think they lose in every stage of the game.


Okay, so you think their draft was designed to end the game at 30-35 min. The next question is, "How do they do that?"

Do they have heroes that can break high ground?
No.

Can they win lanes and snowball?
No.

Can they take objectives like towers and rosh?
No.

Can they win teamfights to allow them to take objectives?
No.

So how do they end the game at 30-35 min..?


What is this shit man ? You have Chen and Veno, Venge for more dmg, Lina that hits hard and you cant take team fights or break high ground? Cmon dude, no more Crusader lectures pls, you're tiring me.

You have to look at VG's heroes too. You have those heroes vs Batrider, Silencer, ES. What are Secret's heroes going to do when VG does anything? If you can't see it then so be it.
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
August 22 2018 21:45 GMT
#356
I figured out why there have been no game 3s on the main event: it was all because gaben made that voice pack

merely by his presence he has caused the concept of 3 to vanish from TI main stage

but what will happen after the first two games of the grand finals?
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
August 22 2018 21:45 GMT
#357
Time for Puppy to show he is the best Chen.
LiangHao
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
August 22 2018 21:48 GMT
#358
I want to see at least one good Ace performance before this tournament is over, pick one of his heroes.
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
August 22 2018 21:49 GMT
#359
Vici Gaming: "You couldn't beat this last game you can't beat it this game."
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 22 2018 21:50 GMT
#360
Lose to a draft -> let the enemy team get the exact same shit again

must be Puppey drafting
super gg
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